libera/#maemo/ Tuesday, 2019-02-26

WikiwideUptime: 22h, so far.  So will not have a fresh, out of the charger battery (for kernel power upgrade from v52 to v53) until a few hours later.05:02
brolin_empeyMaxdamantus: ACK re: BL-5J.17:58
brolin_empeyFor how long are new lithium-ion batteries in proprietary form factors, such as those used by Nokia and Samsung, usually made?  I wonder if new batteries for the HTC Dream, the first commercially available computer running Android, from 2008 are still available.18:02
brolin_empeyI now have an LG G5 running Android OS 8 but unrooted but I cannot move my SIM to it from my Galaxy Note 3 until I convert my microSIM to a nanoSIM.18:06
brolin_empeyI do not see any HTC Dream battery (on its own, not included with the computer) on eBay nor my local Craigslist.18:21
KotCzarnygo buy next phone even more limited18:24
KotCzarnysponsor those who make them18:24
KotCzarnythen come to old phone channel and complain?18:24
brolin_empeyNever mind, I tried different key words on eBay and found new batteries for the HTC Dream for as little as 5 CAD including shipping:18:36
brolin_empeyhttps://www.ebay.ca/itm/HTC-DREA160-3-7v-1150mAh-Lithium-Ion-Battery-for-HTC-G1-Black/223310218238?hash=item33fe5383fe:g:nzoAAOSw7wFcLoST:rk:1:pf:018:36
sixwheeledbeastMore chance of a user replaceable battery being manufactured for longer.18:46
WikiwideKernel power upgrade from v52 to v53: The following packages will be REMOVED: kernel-module-cifs libomxil-ti-components omap3430-dsp-baseimage-ti omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti21:27
WikiwideIs it fine?21:27
WikiwideDarn /usr/bin/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko , interrupting installation with a broken pipe due to trying to overwrite the file...21:34
Wikiwidelibqt4-bearer-hotfix21:37
WikiwideThis GUI "asker" doesn't say new version of kernel correctly. It does say that I have v52, but it says that it's going to install something simple, not v5321:43
WikiwideAh, it's double question. If user agrees to flash a simple image, then a second or two later he gets a second question, to flash v53 image. At least, it seems to work, now.21:49
WikiwideBut SIGTERM received after Leaving update mode. Is it normal?21:50
DocScrutinizer05yoghurt sport really now?22:17
DocScrutinizer05isn't that obsolete since ages already?22:17
KotCzarnypeople collect weirder stuff22:18
WikiwideWhat's weirder, the diversion for it was written under certman22:21
Wikiwidelibmaemosec-certman022:35
Wikiwide/usr/bin/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko22:35
Wikiwide/lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko22:35
WikiwideIn short, there should be a nicer way than that to connect modules to kernel22:37
Wikiwidedate still disregards GUI timezone entirely22:43
sixwheeledbeastmessybox?23:06
WikiwideNo idea. Might be somewhat similar to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22523:06
DocScrutinizer05>> So *maybe* the environment within the desktop application is running with a wrong timezone.<<23:12
DocScrutinizer05environment settings in maemo are tricky23:12
sixwheeledbeastwould the date binary be in messybox :thinks:23:13
sixwheeledbeast~pkg23:15
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/23:15
WikiwideYes, time binary is from busybox23:17
DocScrutinizer05https://pastebin.com/N4dUYtcF23:18
Wikiwidetzconfig, just like date, persists with Lord Howe Island timezone, disregarding Settings->Date and time23:18
sixwheeledbeastSo it's currently zulu +10.5? not Zulu +11?23:22
WikiwideYes. So date shows one thing, and clock shows another.23:23
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure maemo doesn't care about $TZ  $LC_ALL etc23:24
Wikiwidetzconfig seems to be getting it from /etc/localtime somehow23:24
KotCzarnythere are few libc implementations23:24
KotCzarnyglibc, busybox's one, uclibc etc23:24
DocScrutinizer05though https://termbin.com/wzxi  set|grep '^LC'|nc termbin.com 999923:25
WikiwideProblem is, date's half-an-hour ahead of reality time gets used by other things, such as, phone call log. Very inconvenient.23:25
WikiwideI have everything en_AU except for LC_MESSAGES and LC_TIME, which are en_GB23:27
WikiwideLord Howe comes from  readlink /etc/localtime23:30
sixwheeledbeastIsn't /etc/localtime normally a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/foo/bar ?23:30
WikiwideYes, it is. But why is it a symlink to Lord Howe, and not to Adelaide or Sydney or whatever? Why does a change in GUI settings fail to affect date and tzconfig and localtime?23:32
DocScrutinizer05maemo is special, don't get fooled23:33
DocScrutinizer05particularly around everything time, quite a few things work different than you'd expect assuming maemo was debian or ubuntu23:34
WikiwideIs it even typical for maemo to have /etc/localtime symlink, or is it usually falling back onto some other mechanism for timezones?23:34
DocScrutinizer05^^^23:34
DocScrutinizer05check "set time: automatic" in settings, which not only adjusts system clock but also timezone according to what the cellular network says23:35
DocScrutinizer05as long as you didn't mess up stuff by using standard debian means to alter it23:36
WikiwideHmm, I used tzconfig to set timezone to Adelaide. That's a patchy fix - I don't get why GUI didn't work, and I don't get why Sydney cellular network pretends it's Adelaide - but at least, it's consistent.23:38
DocScrutinizer05it's quite possible the symlink (if there's any, even) points to one particular file statically and when TZ gets changed by maemo stuff then the *content* of the file gets changed23:38
DocScrutinizer05or maybe this is total BS I just made up23:38
WikiwideNay, symlink pointed to Lord Howe, not to a statical hold-anything file23:39
WikiwideNow it points to Adelaide23:39
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    33 2019-02-25 22:32 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin23:39
WikiwideYes, problem is, GUI changes didn't change date or tzconfig or localtime, whether they were manual or automatic23:40
WikiwideGUI is probably broken. Which sounds weird23:40
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r--   1 root root  842 2015-02-28 19:16 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin23:41
sixwheeledbeastTime zones make no sense over there anyway...23:41
sixwheeledbeastBrizzy ignore DST, some have half hour DST shift. o.O23:41
WikiwideAka applet-datetime23:42
WikiwideWhere does control panel log errors from its applets?23:44
sixwheeledbeastSetting my device to automatic never seems to fix the time/date.23:44
Wikiwidesixwheeledbeast: does 'date' at least change its output when you change timezone in Settings?23:45
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: depends on network providing the info afaik23:46
WikiwideIt provides info, just, the timezone is 'Adelaide', in Sydney ;-)23:47
WikiwideThat's critical infrastructure. If trains go mad (say, one train has one time, another train has a different time - depending on which cellular provider is for which train, or which software the train is using; they try to run by timetable, and collide head-on)23:49
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure trains are not supposed to use cellphones as timer normal23:49
DocScrutinizer05can't speak for Australia23:50
WikiwideHopefully not. But GPS and cellular chips are very close to each other, and using GPS for time is common.23:50
DocScrutinizer05here you get lynched for doing this23:50
DocScrutinizer05GPS time is pretty unrelated to cellular23:51
DocScrutinizer05however maemo might actually use GPS when celular signal not available23:51
WikiwideYes, but what if GPS signal isn't locked yet?.. Or is GPS time much faster to get than GPS almanach?23:51
DocScrutinizer05you get a first fix within iirc 45s23:52
DocScrutinizer05even without almanach23:52
WikiwideAnd, GPS doesn't provide a timezone. I think.23:52
DocScrutinizer05no, only coords ;-D23:52
WikiwideSo, where do trains get timezone from?23:52
DocScrutinizer05from their own signaling & communications infra?23:53
DocScrutinizer05they neither use cellphones tzo talk to next station23:54
DocScrutinizer05or rather, not public cellphone networks, thjey got their own23:54
WikiwideCommunications infra? Is it cellular, or something else (wires, radio, something)?23:54
WikiwideWell, their own are probably better configured.23:54
sixwheeledbeast/etc/localtime symlink changes when you change the timezone with the clock. I have 9.55 in Sydney23:55
sixwheeledbeastdate is the same as clock23:56
DocScrutinizer05often at 400some MHz23:56
DocScrutinizer052G23:56
* DocScrutinizer05 wouldn't be surprised to learn messybox-extended or whatever the name is messing up all environment using some chenged ~/.profile or .bashrc or whatever during system boot23:58
DocScrutinizer05I recommended to NEVER change the system messybox since it's used during boot incl all flaws and glitches it has23:59
DocScrutinizer05nobody listened23:59

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