libera/#maemo/ Wednesday, 2019-02-27

DocScrutinizer05funny enough this applies only to *user* messybox, not root's00:00
sixwheeledbeastautomatic seemed to work and set the clock correctly this time00:01
DocScrutinizer05haha00:01
DocScrutinizer05takes up to 15 minutes sometimes00:01
* DocScrutinizer05 is missing a systemwide file related function tracing option00:26
DocScrutinizer05like "at <time>, <who/PID> did <operation> to <FQN/filename> with <result>"00:27
DocScrutinizer05might do this if I'd strace PID1 before it starts forking child processes00:28
DocScrutinizer05there's a sketch of how to do a faintly similar approach, somewhere in maemo developers' howto00:29
MaxdamantusTrains shouldn't need a timezone to operate correctly. Timezones are just presentational, they're not part of the notion of "a time"00:33
Maxdamantus"now" for me is the same time as "now" for you. We might just have different ways of expressing that same time.00:34
MaxdamantusInternally, sensible systems just represent the time uniformly, so my phone and your phone and my computer and all the GPS satellites all know how many seconds have passed since it was Jan 1 1970 in UTC+000:36
MaxdamantusActually, GPS has a different representation of the time, based on Jan 1 1980 in UTC+0, and counting uing weeks and stuff.00:40
MaxdamantusHopefully maemo knows how to handle the next rollover, which happens in a few months (happens every 19.6 or so years)00:42
WikiwideSurvived reboot. So kernel power v53 has installed correctly, I guess.04:09
brolin_empeyReportedly time zones were originally created to use instead of true local time to synchronise railway schedules.04:21
brolin_empeyBoth Linus Torvalds and John Carmack were born close to 1970‑01‑01.04:47
MaxdamantusI think Torvalds' birthday is supposedly in the source code somewhere.07:08
Maxdamantusas a magic number that userspace is meant to send to the kernel to cause a reboot or something.07:09
Maxdamantushttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/4808748/magic-numbers-of-the-linux-reboot-system-call07:10
MaxdamantusHis kids' too.07:11
brolin_empeyApparently my DIY microSIM→nanoSIM conversion succeeded because my now nanoSIM card that began as a miniSIM card in 2009 and was converted to a microSIM card in 2014 seems to work in the LG G5. :-D08:41
auenfbrolin_empey, what about if the contacts on my minisim are larger than a microsim size :P09:11
brolin_empeyauenf: Contacts as in electrical contacts or as in persons?09:14
auenfelecrical contacts :P09:33
auenfalthough the sim i'm referring to (which i have since replaced) wasnt an USIM anyway09:33
Vajb~backupmenu09:35
infobot[backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install09:35
sixwheeledbeastAs the sims have gone through the generations they support different voltages and number of electrical contacts IIRC.09:35
auenfyes, and sims prior to USIM arent guaranteed to pickup 3G signals09:36
Vajbproblem: backupmenu doesn't work10:05
Vajbhere is what I did:10:05
Vajb1 Flashed stock kernel10:05
Vajb2 Removed all the traces of backupmenu related stuff and made sure that that white menu does not appear when booting keyboard open10:06
Vajb3 reinstalled backupmenu via link which I got from channel bot10:06
Vajb4 booted keyboard open, got white bootloader. Selected middle option (the one which should bring up actual backupmenustuff)10:07
Vajb5 device loads awhile and reboots10:14
Vajbso where did I go wrong? Why it does not work? Any suggestions?10:14
VajbIt is starting to seem that I wont be doing any kind of backup of this device10:15
Vajbgoing to see what I get with default backup application.10:23
WikiwideThis may be of interest for 3D model of battery cover: http://afrodita.zcu.cz/~skala/PUBL/PUBL_2013/2013_3D-Scan-SIGGRAPH-poster-A0.pdf12:36
WikiwideSame people, different publication: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download/doi/10.1.1.696.7915?rep=rep1&type=pdf12:42
VajbI think that problem is backupmenu not finding /usr/share/backupmenu/BakupMenuLauncher.item, but I have no idea why.16:02
sixwheeledbeastonly internal show in bm?16:18
Vajbboth entries are shown, but it doesn't find what it seeks and just reboots16:21
Vajbso I guess launcher is not found16:21
sixwheeledbeastno not the same as this then http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1455798&postcount=133716:21
Vajbmy other device states what it is booting16:21
sixwheeledbeasts/no/so/16:21
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: so not the same as this then http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1455798&postcount=133716:21
Vajbmight as well try16:27
Vajbremoved find as suggested and recreated symlink16:27
Vajbwell did nothing16:36
Vajbthanks for suggesting16:39
Vajb\o/ finally I made a backup. It seems my guess was right. When I place BackupMenuLauncher.item in to /etc/bootmenu.d it worked as expected17:08
Vajbyet another joke is that my phone refuses to charge :p17:47
VajbI suspect it is because flashing stock kernel messed up something. Apt now thinks that kernel power is installed but uname shows it is stock17:48
Vajband I guess that will be the state of my backup too, but oh well now I have backup to play with to fix this17:49
sixwheeledbeastbackup will be an img of the current state. Why would apt care about kp?17:52
Vajbwell it shows that kp is installed but kernel in use is stock17:54
VajbI guess I'll have to fix it by hand. Removing kp and all it dependencies and reinstall them again17:55
sixwheeledbeastI don't see an issue with having multiple kernels? Doesn't uboot have the option to boot either?18:05
VajbI guess it would have but I don't have it18:08
Vajbthen what you think would cause device to not charge anymore?18:09
Vajbbattery just says "no data or battery is not calibrated"18:10
Vajbif I attach charger when device is turned off it just starts and starts. If I attach charger when it is on, it does nothing18:11
sixwheeledbeastwhat have you installed recently?18:19
sixwheeledbeasttesting?18:19
Vajbflashed stock kernel via flasher18:21
Vajbthat is only thing I did more18:21
sixwheeledbeastthat would probably explain the charging issue then. maybe --reinstall if you feel brave?18:31
Vajbumm reinstall stock or reinstall kp?18:35
Vajbor reflash stockä?18:35
Vajb18:36
sixwheeledbeastkp18:47
Vajbdidn't help20:03
sixwheeledbeastis the kernel in use?20:19
sixwheeledbeastkp20:19
Vajbnope20:35
Vajbgonna change full battery now20:35
Vajbreinstall went smoothly, but stock kernel is still in use20:39
Vajbhehe n900 is really testing me now. First backuprestore was not very succesfullä20:45
Vajbwhined about timestamps being in the future and resulted unbootable device20:46
Vajbok. Charge issue fixed. Removed kernel-power and all its dependencies. Reinstalled them from the notes and reboot. Profit!22:36
sixwheeledbeastOhhh profit.22:49
Vajband since backuprestore was also succesfull I had indentical device to test other approach which was "reinstall kernel-power-flasher" instant profit!22:52
sixwheeledbeastEveryone loves insta-profit23:37

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