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| houkime | camera is attached via flexible strip. Where exactly it should be connected? http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/N97-cam/ | 18:29 |
| houkime | It seems like the camera goes through hole and it needs to be attached on the other side of LOWER | 18:29 |
| houkime | opposite from the BOB side | 18:30 |
| atk | ffs | 18:30 |
| atk | These spammers are getting quite annoyin | 18:31 |
| atk | houkime: you're back :D | 18:31 |
| houkime | Well, I was never out actually/ | 18:31 |
| houkime | It's just that I didn't really check chanlogs and stuff. | 18:32 |
| houkime | Motivation waves also | 18:32 |
| houkime | I usually can't count on more of a month of real dedication. | 18:33 |
| atk | i see | 18:33 |
| houkime | But the good thing is it oscillates. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bear woth me, not awake yet. what's the question? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | camera goes to upper | 18:34 |
| houkime | What is exactly math of this? There is a cable length deducable from the layout, but not much more | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it goes through a holde in lower to a sticky pad on upper and the B2B conn nearby takes the flex from camera | 18:36 |
| houkime | And also there's a bunch of LEDs that kinda seem to go to the upper. | 18:41 |
| houkime | Where are holes for them exactly? | 18:41 |
| houkime | It is a sheet "LEDs" of the schematic | 18:42 |
| houkime | they look like they need to be on the edge. | 18:43 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | yes, they go to spacerframe which is transparent, they should ve on the corners so they can be seen from 360° around the device | 18:48 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | Donnager: config supybot.plugins.ChanTracker.cap | 18:50 |
| Donnager | Joerg-Neo900: Error: You don't have the config capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Donnager: config supybot.plugins.ChanTracker.cap | 18:50 |
| Donnager | DocScrutinizer05: Error: 'supybot.plugins.ChanTracker.cap' is not a valid configuration variable. | 18:50 |
| houkime | they are not a part of the vanilla design, aren't they? | 18:51 |
| houkime | *are they | 18:52 |
| houkime | So, if i understood you correctly, you insert a spacerframe between two case parts | 18:53 |
| houkime | so the neo900 gets a bit thicker. | 18:54 |
| houkime | and the LEDs then need to be anywhere in the corners, (but not through the case) | 18:54 |
| houkime | and they need to be on the lower surface of the UPPER? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they can be on both. And they are in proto_v2 | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however the controller is prolly on UPPER since it controls a few other LEDs too | 19:04 |
| houkime | ok, and what is about mic placement? It is strangely enough on LOWER and there should be some dedicated place, right? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have the mics placed right and left side of device, on S2 or S3 and with a rubber ring "chanber" with an aperture to the spacerframe | 19:09 |
| houkime | So, the mics are on the upper side of LOWER, and they need to be close to the right and left edges | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:11 |
| houkime | What are the properties of a rubber ring? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not defined yet | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rubber foam doublesided sticky cut to shape | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can even go across 0402 etc | 19:12 |
| houkime | Can it safely cover some components? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:13 |
| houkime | what are the approximate radii (not-really-keepout, but to place nothing hot or tall) | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go figure you have to place a rubber foam ring there, what do you want this to be like. I guess 1.5 or 2.0 mm torus material width, plus inner hole for chanber/mic. So maybe 5 to 6mm diameter? | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's actually a half-ring, cut on diameter by the edge and spacerframe | 19:24 |
| houkime | ok. | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the open inner thingie/chanber directly contacts to spacerframe with a 0.8mm hole to outside | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the tuning of this acoustomechanic contraption won't become a pita. It for sure has some resonances etc, I hope they are not too strong or ideally act in favor of the over-all-linearity of the mic | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt this is reasonably possible to calculate, for sure I lack the competence to do so. So a few tests with proto_v2 will be best and simplest approach | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also depends on specific gravity of the rubber foam, as well as rigidity and amount of open pores aka air tightness in foam | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need to adjust those parameters, as well as dimension of the chamber and diameter of hole in spacerframe, to tune the thing to deliver either a flat frequency response fit for high quality stereo recordings, or a simple function like first order lowpass that easily can get equalized in electronics/software | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for proto_v2 it's not yet a major item on todo list | 19:44 |
| houkime | Mics will be asymmetrical | 19:45 |
| houkime | their positions rather | 19:46 |
| houkime | it is no way they can be placed in a symmetrical near-center way | 19:47 |
| houkime | too many fixed edge parts | 19:47 |
| houkime | however... maybe it is not so bad | 19:49 |
| houkime | let me check again | 19:49 |
| houkime | if they are digital and not analog it is good. | 19:50 |
| houkime | ok, guess found a place | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, we have to live with what can get achieved, no? :-) It's probably still the best hifi stereo recorder with palmtop and phone built in that you possibly can find | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for high quality recordings we have a line-in on 3.5mm jack - maybe even sensitive enough to accept mic signals | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when even this is not good enough, go for a USB soundcard with mic | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or hackerbus | 19:56 |
| atk | interesting | 19:57 |
| atk | Is the DAC and AMP on the Neo900 going to be something interesting or something bog standard? | 19:58 |
| atk | s/AMP/Amp/ | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather interesting than poor quality | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the codec is sufficiently high quality to compete with playback quality of the average CD player | 19:59 |
| atk | don't know the quality of the average CD player | 19:59 |
| atk | But as long as it's not crap then that's good :P | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the digital mics I can't say I know much about thir real quality | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on paper they look good enough | 20:00 |
| atk | I have a dedicated sony recording device if I ever needed to record anything | 20:00 |
| houkime | Yes, and the problem with this is that amplified analog circuits need to have a separated ground and everything | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: that's what we want to compete with | 20:00 |
| atk | I see | 20:00 |
| atk | it's very good quality to be honest | 20:00 |
| atk | very clear recording | 20:00 |
| houkime | so all audio stuff will have a dedicated plot of a groundplane beneath it that should be separated. | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | houkime: luckily we have digital mics | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, "separated" is not exactly the right specification/word | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to make sure your analog GND has no digital noise on it, from strong current flowing same path | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in Neo900 we use differential signaling a lot, for audio | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this mitigates GND issues | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 3.6mm AV-jack "GND" is also of that type, IIRC | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.5 even | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least for mic-in | 20:06 |
| atk | hmm | 20:06 |
| atk | it would be nice to properly test the prototype's audio capabilities | 20:07 |
| atk | under load and off load both mic input and audio output | 20:07 |
| atk | because if the foam around the speakers is a problem then that's not too bad, you can fix that yourself by replacing the foam after the fact | 20:07 |
| atk | but if there's interference from the other components then you're kind of screwed | 20:08 |
| houkime | Yeah, kind of had this sort of poor design on an Asus Xonar board. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's one of the purpises of proto_v2 | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | purposes* | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know about that sort of fsckup ;-) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buzzfix | 20:12 |
| infobot | buzzfix is probably http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff. | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/buzzfix-lm336__deprecated/ | 20:14 |
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| atk | hmm | 20:27 |
| atk | nice | 20:27 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | ooh this was SPAM, just if you didn't notice | 20:31 |
| qwazix | I'm really curious what is the attack vector here... | 20:59 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | annoyance | 20:59 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | like all spam | 21:00 |
| qwazix | most spam do have some kind of a goal | 21:00 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | the spam of today was just to annoy grumble and freenode staff in general | 21:01 |
| qwazix | trolling then... | 21:01 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | it's an idiot script kiddie with a botnet under their command, fighting a personal war against freenode staff | 21:02 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 21:02 |
| atk | qwazix: I think it's just attacks on freenode as a network | 21:03 |
| atk | probably by some trolls from another network | 21:03 |
| atk | they're trying to get lots of people to go to the #freenode channel and harass people | 21:03 |
| qwazix | I hope they somehow end up in jail | 21:04 |
| atk | That's unlikely | 21:04 |
| atk | and maybe a bit over the top | 21:04 |
| qwazix | I know it's unlikely but I don't think it's over the top. Well maybe a tiny bit. But I see spam as an attack against civilisation. | 21:05 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | for running a botnet they should go to jail | 21:06 |
| qwazix | It destroys the utility of the network. But that's off topic so I'm gonna shut up now. | 21:06 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | hi qwazix, long time no see :-) | 21:07 |
| qwazix | yeah true, I've been quite absent... | 21:07 |
| qwazix | how's everything? | 21:08 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | getting old | 21:09 |
| qwazix | I see there's a proto Neo900? | 21:09 |
| qwazix | me too :) | 21:09 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | houkime does layout work right now | 21:09 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | for proto_v2 | 21:09 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | the plan is to have some working hardware to show off (make videos etc) and then start a kickstarter og sorts to get the needed number of preorders to continue | 21:10 |
| qwazix | good to hear. I've since moved to evil android world, though my N900's still work and are kept up yo date for a rainy day | 21:10 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I got a Cat S60 as auxiliary device and to learn why I hate android and google. N900 still my primary phone | 21:11 |
| qwazix | The state of mobile computing has become sad... | 21:12 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | indeed | 21:12 |
| qwazix | I got an Xperia XZ and trying to work it without google. (f-droid ans stuff from around the web) | 21:12 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | Neo900 and STEP2 would be more important than ever. Alas the interest and understanding by 'marjet' aka customers/users is worse than ever | 21:13 |
| qwazix | but FOSS app quality is lacking compared to maemo and even harmattan | 21:13 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | market | 21:13 |
| qwazix | yep | 21:15 |
| qwazix | gtg. bye. | 21:16 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | qwazix: p/ | 21:21 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | o/ even | 21:21 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | TRYING THE BOT CONFIG | 21:55 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | TRYING THE BOT CONFIG | 21:55 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | hmmm | 21:55 |
| houkime | How rearrangeable are io expanders. | 22:08 |
| houkime | ? | 22:08 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | totally | 22:09 |
| houkime | ok | 22:10 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | no legacy in them, so do with them whatever needed | 22:10 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | we have a few considerations maybe about which IO goes to which expander, so we can have IRQ sharing nicely distributed, but that's not a big concern either | 22:12 |
| enyc | qwazix: are you also aware of maemo-leste project? | 22:34 |
| houkime | schematics bug: look at display connector LED. | 23:26 |
| houkime | it has wron reference | 23:27 |
| houkime | it points on the connector instead of a led | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hi! talking about proto v2, is there any estimation about when it will be available? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, will look into it later, not at home right now | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | on a side note - do you follow leste progress? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: ^^^ | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: no estimations. Leste isn't on my short range radar | 23:30 |
| houkime | It is hard to estimate really. | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | you;re not curious? hmm... | 23:31 |
| houkime | I was in a BOB swamp for a while till there was a somewhat plausible solution although weird-looking | 23:31 |
| houkime | And it seems there are many more obstacles. | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | houkime: I know we (engineers) hate to provide deadlines :), however my question was not about some hard deadline, but more about the gut feeling | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I'm curious but tii mucg on my plate | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | as always :) | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | the same reason I didn;t follow the progress here for a while | 23:34 |
| houkime | gut feeling: I will be a new man when we finish this. | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry afk, laters | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | houkime: you're on your own with some help from doc, right? | 23:37 |
| houkime | Pretty much. | 23:39 |
| houkime | If I learned sth is that every extra feature in a tiny package has a huge headache cost. | 23:42 |
| houkime | oh. maybe there's no bug. It may be a display-integrated LED. | 23:55 |
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