libera/#neo900/ Thursday, 2019-02-21

* enyc meows15:19
enycclapont: olleh!15:19
dos1fyi: Purism just confirmed that Librem 5 will use PLS8 as its modem17:42
dos1also, apparently NXP released a new "software stack" at the beginning of February, which fixes their power consumption and heating issues17:43
dos1wth i.MX8M17:43
slobberoh how did i miss that post18:55
slobberi feel like i've subscribed to notifications of that stuff18:55
slobberthat kinda looks like a very laggy experience18:56
dos1I think it might be llvmpipe on the video, entaviv is apparently still pretty glitchy on the gc7000. I know that they have some fixes on a non-default branch though19:02
dos1(that "software stack" seems to be 4.14 BSP kernel from NXP)19:26
DocScrutinizer05dos1: many thanks! :-)23:06
DocScrutinizer05so they still didn't find any better modem than we have. Kinda sad, since the PLS8 is sort of sub-par meanwhile23:07
DocScrutinizer05or maybe they simply copy Neo900 (or STEP2)23:07
atkIt's funny23:09
atkI think I remember telling them that what they were promising to deliver was going to be very hard to do in their submission form for what people wanted in the phone.23:10
atkWay back when23:10
dos1their devkits used SIM710023:10
atkwell, good luck to them23:10
dos1btw. Gemalto offers now some new data-only modules like PLAS9, with higher speeds and USB 3.0. I guess it's a matter of time for PLS8 successor to arrive as well23:15
DocScrutinizer05I thought PLS8 was going obsolete quite some  time ago already, when they launcged their equivalent automotive-only series (might even be the PAS8 or somesuch). Anyway voicecalls vanisg as supported feature more and more23:19
DocScrutinizer05so soon you will only be able to source data-obly modem modules, and SoCs with integrated great modem IP that are totally closed crap, aimed at smartphone manufs doing millions of devices23:21
norlyDocScrutinizer05: so the project could use a full phone SoC as a modem, and another SoC as the application processor - there, hardware separation (TM) ;)23:22
DocScrutinizer05on top, the "ecosystem" at large has no alterative to bending over to Google's "mainframe computing" approach which does even voice recognition and map routing off-board23:23
DocScrutinizer05norly: yes, in theory that would work23:24
DocScrutinizer05maybe we should take advantage from this situation and actually design a gadget that's a *complete smartphone* tethered to a complete linux PC, in one shell23:25
DocScrutinizer05keep the smartphone display in a window of the linux PC desktop, via VNC or whatever23:26
norlya phone in a phone?23:26
DocScrutinizer05if you like to put it that way.23:27
DocScrutinizer05though I'd rather call it "a phone in a palmtop PC"23:27
DocScrutinizer05anyway, I'm in a mental crisis with my definition of the threat model I want to protect against23:30
DocScrutinizer05example: not diclosing your contacts to google and whatsapp doesn't help you much since all your contacts already did disclose *you* as one of their contacts23:32
DocScrutinizer05they did even when you refuse to use whatsapp23:34
norlyso it's all a lost cause? i don't think that's true - it's still nice to know that nobody can DMA your credentials out of your RAM, thanks to hardware separation23:36
DocScrutinizer05but this alone doesn't create a sufficient momentum to develop and produce a device according to those standards23:38
DocScrutinizer05except for the high security market, like governments, military, industry23:39
DocScrutinizer05the problem isn't *I* think (or not think) it's a lost case. The problem is the masses think so, and want free (as in beer) great apps on cheap hardware, even when they pay by videorecording their bedroom every nigght23:41
norlyhow about you offer two editions of the phone? one where you pay the proper price, and one where it's free, but it records their bedroom?23:45
varuthen you better monetize the bedroom recordings :(23:46
norlyafter all, some people are happy to have cheaper phones in exchange or seeing ads on the lock screen23:46
norlysure, monetizing them is the plan, isn't it?23:46
DocScrutinizer05so what we got is a ecosystem where speech recognition is done on google's servers despite yur smartphone outperforms a top notch desktop PC of 8 years ago, while that massive computing power on your smartphone gets used to render silly GFX special effects, and getting exploited to mine bitcoins for rogue virus websites23:46
norlyanyway, let's not go down the road of such disturbing business ideas23:48
DocScrutinizer05for sure not23:48
DocScrutinizer05it took me like 20 years to reach that point where I'm now, and I'm afraid it will take me at least 10 years to get out of this pit again23:49
DocScrutinizer05if I had focused on automotive instead mobile communications a 20 years ago, I'd develop autonomously driving card today and probably be a much happier person23:51
DocScrutinizer05saying this since actually 20 years ago all my professional involvements were with automotive, and telecommunications was at best my humble contribution to twinklephone SIP VoIP23:55
DocScrutinizer05then a 10 years and some ago, Openmoko lured me in23:56
norlythanks for the work you are doing23:57

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