libera/#neo900/ Tuesday, 2019-04-02

pigeonsYou should have just gone full liar.
Joerg-Neo900the purpose of Neo900 project never been to make money but to create a hardware we all may love to use17:49
Joerg-Neo900I'm sure literally everybody in here could come up with 2 or 3 smarter rogue plots how to make money in shady ways17:50
sleepingkirbyJoerg-Neo900: Well, if it means anything, I never thought you were trying to scam people. I was really excited to hear that someone really wanted to make a better N900. Heck, I still use mine. And, quite frankly, I'm still hoping that something happens and progress resumes.19:20
Joerg-Neo900I think one or another company not related toNokia or N900 or Neo900 will eventually come up with a device. It's just too obvious something like this is needed19:22
sleepingkirbyJoerg-Neo900: Honestly, I'm not counting on it. It's obvious that it's needed, but so is net neutrality in the US, 3rd repair shops for Apple products, games without microtransactions.19:24
sleepingkirbyJoerg-Neo900: But either way, I appreciate the effort you put forth.19:25
Joerg-Neo900maybe keep an eye on
sleepingkirbyThe closest thing is the librem-5, but it's got half the features (no IR or compass or light sensor) and definitely no keyboard19:27
Joerg-Neo900librem5 never been considered a particularly innovative concept19:28
Joerg-Neo900seems their only focus is on "Free hardware" and even there it seems they don't deliver19:29
sleepingkirbywell, their main focus is it doesn't track people. Never tried pureOS myself so I don't know.19:30
Joerg-Neo900I can assure you they fail completely on _that_ aspect19:30
sleepingkirbyyeah, the cosmo looks nice.19:31
Joerg-Neo900seems they even have a very naive idea about how tracking works nowadays19:31
sleepingkirbyWhat's wrong with PureOS?19:31
slobberi just got a one mix 2s, it's not entirely the form factor neo900 strives for, but pretty good19:32
slobberit's also not a fone19:32
sleepingkirbyyeah, it's huge.19:32
sleepingkirbyand at least it can run debian. Well, I'd like to run devuan, but it's better than android19:33
Joerg-Neo900I even fail to understand what's Purism's definition of "tracking"19:33
slobberi'm running banto on it19:33
slobberi do have the librem 5 preordered, we'll see if it comes to any fruition19:34
slobberi think they're mainly working on preventing hardware-based tracking: via microphone, webcam, etc19:34
slobberone part of that is the hardware switches, another is open firmware, third is not running android/ios19:35
Joerg-Neo900that's eavesdropping, not tracking19:35
Joerg-Neo900but yeah,obviously a switch disables a hw component, *as long as it's in off position*19:36
sleepingkirbyI do find it weird it says "one, even 2 days of battery life!" Given that my n900 can go like 3~4 days without charging19:36
slobberwhat do n900s run these days19:36
Joerg-Neo900I consider this a layman's approach to security19:37
xmnhte cosmo is nice, but for me the fx pro1, seems to be closer to n900 and usable form. https://www.fxtec.com19:37
slobberi've been out of the loop a long time19:37
sleepingkirbyyeah, maemo19:37
xmnit might run maemo-leste too eventually19:37
slobberi had n810 long ago, last i tried using it before selling it all repos were down and it was pretty unusable19:37
Joerg-Neo900yeah, you need mirrors of the repos19:38
slobberwell, not surprising that a phone running a full debian fork not hugely optimized for mobile doesn't get more than a couple days of buttery19:38
Joerg-Neo900luckily there are a few still19:38
sleepingkirbyThe mirrors still work for me last time I checked.19:38
slobberpureos is what they ship with their laptops too, i tihnk it's largely unchanged on librem 5 to allow for full-desktop kind of usage19:39
slobberah, well, i sold it so it doesn't matter any more19:39
slobberglad that stuff is still up for you guys though19:39
* Joerg-Neo900 got like 6 of them N810, for *cheap*19:39
Joerg-Neo900like new19:39
slobberi was looking for a long time for a mobile device i can do actual work on19:40
slobberthe one mix 2s has been pretty good for that19:40
Joerg-Neo900hardly you can get a cheaper all-in palmtop embedded system running a plain linux19:40
Joerg-Neo900just the N810 camera is crap19:41
slobberwho needs a camera on a work pooter19:41
Joerg-Neo900and the GPS is pretty much not really working either19:41
slobberyeah that was my impression of the gps as well19:41
Joerg-Neo900sorry, I'm afk19:42
sleepingkirbyThese are good alternatives. Thanks guys. I'll keep an eye out.19:44
pigeonsi didnt mean to imply any malicious intentions to neo900, just saw that link and figured even if a little offtopic i'd point it out19:50
Joerg-Neo900>>first rule of bash: every rule has exceptions<< except this very rule20:25
Joerg-Neo900pigeons: :-)20:26
Joerg-Neo900maybe I should focus on evaluation of smartphones for my next few years of professional activities?20:44
* Joerg-Neo900 just reads and
Joerg-Neo900look at this mess, regarding LTE bands:

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