| * Oksana waves | 04:10 | |
| * enyc meows Oksana | 05:26 | |
| * enyc ponders what is neo900's spiritual-successor ;p | 05:26 | |
| Oksana | So far, Fxtec with its Pro1. But Sailfish OS is a poor thing, flawed due to lack of well-designed apps. Being a stowaway with libhybris isn't the greatest part, either. | 10:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | There isn't one | 10:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's looking like the closest thing this decade maybe the pine if they do release the keyboard version they hinted at. | 10:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it does seem a sensible solution having a replacement backcover for keyboard then you have the option for either device | 10:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | very different to the n900 where the mainboard and domepad where together and display unit separate. | 10:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | leste still isn't fremantle tho but we'll see. | 10:32 |
| sicelo | :-) | 13:13 |
| sicelo | help us/them | 13:13 |
| sicelo | i love Leste for staying as true as possible to Fremantle | 13:13 |
| sicelo | they've got Qt working now (Qt5) | 13:14 |
| sicelo | fmg is almost done with osso-abook, so Leste should quite soon have the same contacts/phone/sync integration as Fremantle had | 13:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yer it wasn't meant to sound negative. | 13:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's just a lot of work to make most of what people have from maemo-extras history supported or compatible with leste, for example. | 14:03 |
| atk | I have a pine | 14:03 |
| atk | although I am waiting for them to release the new hardware model with a blank back | 14:03 |
| atk | I don't really want one with a logo | 14:04 |
| atk | The one I currently have is the early model with a bunch of power-management bugs in hardware | 14:04 |
| atk | It's an interesting solution they developed to prototyping and testing | 14:04 |
| atk | release an early prototype as a developer version | 14:04 |
| atk | get a 1000 eyes to spot all your hardware bugs and how to fix them | 14:04 |
| atk | And it still impresses me how cheap they managed to do it all | 14:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | some of extras is now junk I suppose but even so | 14:05 |
| atk | although I think a lot of that is down to the fact that they have shenzhen at their disposal | 14:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It comes with pmOS right? | 14:05 |
| atk | It comes with a variety of OSes depending on which community edition is currently being sold | 14:05 |
| atk | currently I think they're doing PMos but they did UBPorts too | 14:05 |
| atk | I started work to get voidlinux running on it after I was a bit unhappy with the other options (I really don't want systemd but I also don't want openrc) | 14:06 |
| atk | But I stopped for now and decided to focus work on developing a nice UI library | 14:06 |
| atk | someone else has thankfully picked up where I left off and I think the voidlinux pinephone port is coming soon, | 14:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i assumed leste was still sysv? | 14:14 |
| atk | yes | 14:15 |
| atk | sysv, openrc, I don't like either | 14:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i'd be lost without hildon ux on a mobile device. Everything else seems clunky but i suppose I am biased. | 14:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | in thoery it would run any init you want from devuan. | 14:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | void is runit, which i believe is also supported | 14:18 |
| atk | hmm | 14:19 |
| atk | fair enough | 14:19 |
| atk | I also don't quite like hildon | 14:19 |
| atk | and also, it seems like they want to make everything integrate together like maemo | 14:19 |
| atk | with a lot of old code | 14:19 |
| atk | It seems like a lot of work | 14:19 |
| atk | I'm a bit happier putting that effort into fresh code than trying to resurrect maemo unfortunately. | 14:20 |
| atk | I have nothing against mamemo of course but I am just too unfamiliar with the code and too unfamiliar with debian to really feel motivated to work on it. | 14:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I do like runit over most of the other init options must admit. | 14:24 |
| sicelo | atk: as much as i love maemo/hildon, i also like to at least check out other options. what's the UI you are talking about? anywhere i can check it out? | 14:26 |
| atk | no, not yet | 14:27 |
| atk | I'm writing a serialisation/deserialisation library right now which I'm going to be using to implement something in the UI library and the UI library hasn't gotten very far yet | 14:28 |
| atk | but | 14:28 |
| atk | http://ix.io/2xDD/lua - the idea is to be able to describe the UI in lua | 14:29 |
| atk | a bit like HTML but purpose built to be entirely client side | 14:29 |
| atk | the idea is also to have a sort of styling language which is more like a bunch of functions | 14:29 |
| atk | it's combination of concepts from functional programming and HTML | 14:30 |
| atk | So a bit closer to XUL for example | 14:30 |
| atk | I haven't finalized the design really | 14:30 |
| atk | But I need to get some underlying libraries working first to be able to prototype this better | 14:30 |
| atk | The biggest sticking point is font rendering | 14:32 |
| atk | I really doubt it will take off, but if I can get it working and write a UI with it it would make it so easy to modify things and create new things. | 14:33 |
| atk | And with a very small amount of code. | 14:33 |
| atk | I think this could also be done with scheme | 14:35 |
| atk | But I am marginally more familiar with lua | 14:35 |
| atk | and I know how to write libraries in C which you can call into from lua | 14:35 |
| atk | In a few months if things turn out well and I end up having as much as spare time as I would like then I might have something to show for | 14:37 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | sounds a bit like qtml | 16:55 |
| atk | well there's a bunch of things which are like it | 19:24 |
| atk | but I don't like any of them | 19:24 |
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