| * rrq finally got my d-i iso build branches to work | 00:02 | |
| rrq | new netinstall candidates at https://borta.rrq.id.au -- with firmware | 00:03 |
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| rrq | (I think) please test | 00:03 |
| Jjp137 | rrq, the standard install (both graphical and console) asks the user to choose an init system; shouldn't that be for the expert install only? | 01:37 |
| golinux | It used to be but hard to find. Trying to make it more noticeable. Maybe that should only be during an expert install. | 01:40 |
| golinux | Or maybe it needs an option for "defaut init" . . . assuming the user knows what an init is. On thing leads to another . . . | 01:42 |
| golinux | On > One | 01:43 |
| golinux | (afk | 01:43 |
| golinux | ) | 01:43 |
| Jjp137 | yeah I recall it being hard to find even within an expert install; in 2.0, one had to load the "choose-init" component and it's really easy to miss | 01:45 |
| rrq | afaiu, the choice of "where" it comes in is programmed in the udeb (choose-init), while the ISO composition choice is whether to include it at all or not. | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | In the 2.0 isos there's a checkbox in the installer components list that causes choose-init to run later | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | but it's easy to miss it | 01:47 |
| golinux | If we want to support alternate inits they need to be more obviously available but to the audience that won;t be confused by that question. | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | I agree | 01:49 |
| golinux | Off to a big bowl of kabocha | 01:51 |
| rrq | choose-init=0.2 is the current ascii version. beowulf has 0.2.1 | 01:53 |
| rrq | the ISO packing choice is whether or not to include it. | 01:54 |
| rrq | the udeb itself "decides" where and how it appears in menues | 01:54 |
| rrq | afaiui | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | I just went through network setup twice - once in the beginning and once when asked to choose a mirror, right before tasksel | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | it asks if I want non-free but doesn't ask if I want contrib | 02:04 |
| rrq | yes, I'm not sure why. I guess the first time is for installing the OS and the second time is for the installed OS. | 02:04 |
| fsmithred | maybe. I didn't get that when i installed buster a few days ago | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | and I don't recall doing it before in devuan. | 02:05 |
| rrq | I'm not sure which udeb(s) are doing that. (again: packing choice is not wrt to function :)) | 02:06 |
| rrq | to tune the process, we need to upgrade ascii udeb(s) to suit. | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | upgrade to change their behavior? | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | why do we need udebs? (philosophical question) | 02:08 |
| rrq | yes, that's a new version of them/some. and ascii has particular versions. | 02:08 |
| rrq | only some udebs are forked. | 02:08 |
| rrq | so far | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | (shudder) | 02:09 |
| rrq | the installer "is" a collection of udebs. | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | I understand that the udeb is a trimmed-down package so it fits on the CD | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | but why do we need packages? | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | that's just to run the installer? | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | the installed system gets built from real deb packages, right? | 02:10 |
| rrq | basically a udeb is a puzzle piece for the installer, and the insteller "is" exactly the collection of choosen udebs. | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | brb, need to talk to the gas man | 02:10 |
| mason | Ah, it's really a µdeb then, eh? :) | 02:11 |
| rrq | :) | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | how do you do that? | 02:13 |
| rrq | whe? what? | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | oh, hot shit. Impossible to miss 'Select an init system' | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | how to type mu | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | ? | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | (in one char) | 02:14 |
| mason | fsmithred: I use xim, so it's meta-m-u | 02:15 |
| mason | Sorry, compose-m-u | 02:16 |
| mason | Can type µ, and ☭, and ², and π, and a host of other goodies. | 02:16 |
| mason | fsmithred: In my .xsession I say export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim and export QT_IM_MODULE=xim and unset XMODIFIERS, that last being a bit cargo-cultish. | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 02:18 |
| mason | fsmithred: Happy to share. xim has gone out of favour, but I hugely prefer it to the newer stuff. | 02:19 |
| rrq | ιτ'σ αλσο ποσσιβλε το ψηανγε κευβοαρδ | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | install is done. Looks like I got the whole desktop ok | 02:20 |
| rrq | it's also possible to change keyboard | 02:20 |
| mason | Ah, I couldn't read the ψηανγε | 02:20 |
| mason | I got the rest! | 02:20 |
| rrq | the old CD-2&3 only extend "main" .. no contrib or non-free | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | conrib gets added with non-free | 02:22 |
| mason | bbiab - ISP is falling apart and the dropped packets are making IRC almost impossible | 02:22 |
| rrq | old = ascii 2.0.0 | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that makes sense | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | all the firmware goes on CD1 | 02:23 |
| rrq | I might mimic that (like I did for install & cd-1) | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | what do you mean? | 02:25 |
| rrq | I took the same pool packages | 02:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that should work | 02:26 |
| fsmithred | for beowulf, there will be some changes in package names | 02:26 |
| fsmithred | it's always that way | 02:27 |
| rrq | i've got the poolonly "build flavour" working .. about to upload i386_cd-[123] | 02:33 |
| rrq | for testing | 02:33 |
| rrq | we'll need to decide whether udeb upgrades are needed for ascii 2.1, and do them, if so. | 02:34 |
| rrq | i'll round it off (later) today with the i386_DVD (which might become too large) | 02:38 |
| fsmithred | that's the other thing that always happens | 02:40 |
| rrq | maybe have to drop the "gnome" option or something ;) | 02:42 |
| golinux | "gnome" has never been an option in the installer | 02:52 |
| rrq | texlive-extra is 1.1G (on ascii 2.0.0 i386 dvd-1) | 02:56 |
| golinux | I have no idea what that is | 02:57 |
| rrq | well if your where publishing research papers around the millenium shift, you'd know :) | 03:00 |
| rrq | gnome-* is only shy of .25G | 03:01 |
| rrq | in parity (+10%) with the k* packages (on dvd-1) | 03:04 |
| golinux | The official lineup: Default: Xfce | 03:04 |
| golinux | Alternate: Cinnamon, KDE, LXQt, MATE | 03:04 |
| golinux | Others: available post-install | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | have to go out. bbl. | 03:07 |
| rrq | I would suggest pushing texlive-extra onto a dvd-2 (if any). would resolve the size issue and even give room for more games or something | 03:07 |
| Unit193 | So I may have asked this before, but it was lost in scrollback. Any chance Devuan will set up a copy of tracker.d.o? Seems it's portable enough for Kali to do so, https://pkg.kali.org/ | 03:08 |
| golinux | rrq: Note that the install docs might also be a few kb larger if we add a screenshot + text for the openrc option | 03:28 |
| golinux | bbiab | 03:29 |
| mason | fsmithred: Ah, I forgot to mention include "/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose" in ~/.XCompose. And my ISP is still dropping packets like a champ. | 03:52 |
| rrq | Unit193: many Devuanites are beutifying atm, but though it's good with means to increase communication, the service cost of a web site is generally 1 man day per month per page, plus any set up cost of, say 10 man days; all in all a tad expensive for the present resource pool. Maybe you should chaeck at #devuan if someone has anything like that set up that you could attach to. And then there's the option | 04:06 |
| rrq | that you commit yourself to the task. | 04:06 |
| golinux | +1! | 04:46 |
| Unit193 | rrq: OK, so it seems like it hasn't really, due to lack of time and manpower. That really makes sense, yeah. | 05:09 |
| gnu_srs1 | LeePen: See the mail to -dev about mate in Debian. | 11:49 |
| rrq | fsmithred: production line all in hand, I believe; now it's a matter of getting the doc/ dir right | 13:35 |
| rrq | ( or docs/ rather ) | 13:36 |
| LeePen | gnu_srs1: Thanks. Just replying. | 14:17 |
| LeePen | rrq: Hi. I am still being held up by the failed arm64 builds from a few weeks ago. | 14:31 |
| LeePen | When I diffed the successful<->failed logs, some of the arm64 build host versions we behind, notable devuan-jenkins-glue, and it was | 14:32 |
| LeePen | not using eatmydata. Is it worth/possible to update the build environment and see if that fixes the build? | 14:32 |
| rrq | did you check the most recent debian-installer builds .. if Dan's done something? | 14:33 |
| rrq | I don't think I have access to the build host | 14:33 |
| LeePen | OK, thanks. I haven't heard that he has, but I will chack the debian-installer build logs. | 14:34 |
| rrq | jenkins-debian-glue version 0.17.0+devuan1 .. is old? | 14:34 |
| rrq | (yes) | 14:34 |
| LeePen | I will have to check the exact versions again. | 14:35 |
| rrq | yes, that's same as the last failing policykit | 14:35 |
| rrq | hmm there's some build configuration on Jenkins .. still, safest to get Dan's help | 14:43 |
| LeePen | OK. I'll wait until he is around. Thanks. | 14:44 |
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