| sgage | Hello? Is anybody home? | 02:01 |
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| stiltr | sgage: You'll usually have better luck just asking your question. | 02:03 |
| qaluH | that bot | 02:04 |
| stiltr | Ah | 02:07 |
| sgage | I didn't have a question - I was just wondering if the channel was broken. | 02:10 |
| sgage | I haven't seen any activity on it all day. | 02:10 |
| stiltr | Oh, yeah. Some days are like that. | 02:12 |
| sgage | I'd never seen it so quiet before, in years of experience, except if something was broken. | 02:17 |
| sgage | Glad to see it's not. Everyone's Devuan is working perfectly, so no need for questions :-) | 02:17 |
| stiltr | That must be it! :) | 02:25 |
| Xenguy | *nix was kind of designed that way too: 'no news is good news' | 03:01 |
| clort | that's it for me | 08:36 |
| clort | we could each run a once a day 'my devuan's still not broken' paste in the channel | 08:36 |
| timkenhan | so i noticed we're at python3.9 now. anyone else think it's moving too fast? | 11:02 |
| Joril | I do, but I fear this is OT here :D | 11:10 |
| ShorTie | i'd say, it's at what ever Debian has it at | 11:42 |
| ShorTie | maybe go talk to them about it | 11:42 |
| ShorTie | not trying to be smart at all | 11:43 |
| ShorTie | but in reality, Devuan has very few packages | 11:44 |
| ShorTie | basically, any thing Debuan has systemd required is rebuilt without systemd | 11:47 |
| suavedandy | So I wanted to insert my encrypted partition's UUID and found this command: "sed -i '/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=/s/"$/ rd.auto=1 cryptdevice=UUID=135f3c06-26a0-437f-a05e-287b036440a4:lvm&/'" | 15:04 |
| suavedandy | How do you pass UUID as a variable to this command instead of writing this gibberish that's hard to read. | 15:04 |
| suavedandy | ? | 15:04 |
| suavedandy | Because there are some anchors like $ that sed reads and when you use double quotes that $ is read as a variable sign. | 15:07 |
| suavedandy | And I fear that this will mess up everything. | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | the dollar sign tells sed to replace the final double quote with the string of options. Not sure, but I think it's missing a final quote. | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | instead of using sed you could edit the file with a text editor | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | if you can't copy/paste it, you only need to type it once. | 15:15 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: How exactly am I supposed to copy it to Nano? | 15:16 |
| suavedandy | Is there an option or something? | 15:16 |
| suavedandy | Hm, maybe there is. Let me check… | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | if you're in a terminal in a graphical environment, copy/paste works | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | rd.auto=1 cryptdevice=UUID=135f3c06-26a0-437f-a05e-287b036440a4:lvm | 15:17 |
| fsmithred | is that correct for the options? | 15:17 |
| suavedandy | Nnnope. | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | where does the :lvm come from? | 15:18 |
| suavedandy | Xorg? Nope, I don't have Xorg. | 15:18 |
| suavedandy | Ah, it's just a name of the device. | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | what's not correct? | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | you're just trying to add some boot options to /etc/default/grub, right? | 15:19 |
| suavedandy | Yeah. | 15:19 |
| suavedandy | I want to boot from LUKS. | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | so just edit the file to add what you need and run update-grub | 15:19 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13799789/expansion-of-variables-inside-single-quotes-in-a-command-in-bash | 15:21 |
| suavedandy | '"$variable"' | 15:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I've done: sed -i "s/something/$variable/" | 15:21 |
| suavedandy | I'm a cool hackerman now. | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | you have to use double-quotes around the sed expression | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | why do you need to use sed? | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | either way, you have to type it all | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | actually more with the sed command | 15:22 |
| suavedandy | Double quotes aren't safe 'cause meta-characters. | 15:22 |
| suavedandy | sed's quick at times when you know how to use it. | 15:23 |
| suavedandy | And typing UUID by hand isn't safe. | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | you still have to type it by hand for sed | 15:23 |
| suavedandy | As I said, '"$variable"' | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | oh, I get it. You want to make | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | have fun solving it. | 15:23 |
| suavedandy | I'm a hacker guy. | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | I'm a 'get it done' guy | 15:24 |
| suavedandy | Retrowave starts playing | 15:24 |
| miskatonic | fsmr has hacked together stuff like refracta, so he is even more of a hacker guy | 15:25 |
| r3boot | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQGbXmkSArs :] | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | shhh | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | Kick it around 'till it does what you want. | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | you may quote me on that | 15:26 |
| onefang | And if your feet get sore, use a sledjhamr. | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | lol | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | I use one to install packages | 15:27 |
| miskatonic | dragonflybsd uses a filesystem called Hammer... or similar. | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, is this btrfs or ext? | 15:30 |
| suavedandy | BtrFS. | 15:30 |
| fsmithred | ok, I guess mine is too different | 15:30 |
| fsmithred | encrypted lvm with separate /boot, only boot option is "quiet" | 15:31 |
| miskatonic | xfs is weirder... and some people even use zfs with linux | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | not btrfs | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | yes, I think there's a zfs howto (or two) on the forum | 15:32 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: It was an example. | 15:32 |
| suavedandy | I have BtrFS on LUKS. | 15:32 |
| suavedandy | Not LVM LUKS. | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | oh | 15:32 |
| suavedandy | That's redundant. | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you're right | 15:32 |
| suavedandy | You can replace lvm with whatever. | 15:32 |
| suavedandy | Like cryptroot or somethin'. | 15:33 |
| suavedandy | Don't you, like, have LUKS setup in your script? I thought you know that already. | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | know what already? | 15:34 |
| suavedandy | How you configure GRUB. | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't do anything special for luks in grub | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | crypttab has stuff in it, and yeah refractainstaller handles that | 15:35 |
| suavedandy | Did you configure LUKS differently? I thought you have to edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | mine just has "quiet" which I forgot to remove. | 15:37 |
| suavedandy | Is quiet even needed? | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | crypttab has: mapper-name UUID=uuid... none luks | 15:37 |
| mason | suavedandy: I like removing it. If I'm going to see some messages, might as well see them all. | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | same here | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | I think it does suppress system messages on the console | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | seem to recall reading that somewhere | 15:38 |
| suavedandy | Well, in the end of the topic you send ( https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258 ) the guy read that you need to edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT along with the crypttab. | 15:40 |
| suavedandy | So I thought. | 15:41 |
| suavedandy | I did enter the UUID to the crypttab. | 15:41 |
| suavedandy | "cryptdata UUID=<UUID> none luks" | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | and update-grub does not put the right stuff in grub.cfg? | 15:44 |
| suavedandy | He also said you need to set CRYPTSETUP=y in /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook | 15:44 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:44 |
| suavedandy | Well, I dunno. | 15:44 |
| fsmithred | no | 15:44 |
| fsmithred | not anymore | 15:44 |
| suavedandy | Well, the previous time when I proceed with GRUB installation without tinkering with /etc/default/grub it says ENABLE_CRYPTODISK isn't enabled. | 15:45 |
| suavedandy | Did I just need to enable it and not change anything else? | 15:46 |
| fsmithred | you don't have a separate /boot partition? Then you do need a line in default/grub | 15:47 |
| suavedandy | No, I don't. /boot is on the encrypted partition. | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | echo -e "\nGRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y\n" >> /target/etc/default/grub | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | from the installer | 15:48 |
| suavedandy | That's it? | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y | 15:48 |
| suavedandy | I've just wasted my time on that sed command. | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | then grub knows to unlock the luks volume to find what else it needs | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | you obviously wanted to understand about quoting variables in sed | 15:49 |
| fsmithred | otherwise you would have done it the quick way and be onto something else by now | 15:49 |
| suavedandy | Actually, I just wanted to insert that UUID in there. | 15:50 |
| suavedandy | That too but it was a secondary goal. | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | I don't think you need to, but I could be wrong. Maybe btrfs needs something different. | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | but if luks is the lowest layer, telling grub to use cryptodisk is probably enough | 15:51 |
| suavedandy | Because, well, I'm tired to type UUIDs all the time. My vision sucks and making sure that every character is correct is hard. | 15:51 |
| suavedandy | Ah. | 15:52 |
| suavedandy | Thanks. | 15:52 |
| suavedandy | I shall not waste my time any longer then. | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | let us know how it works out | 15:52 |
| suavedandy | And it's good that you told me that CRYPTSETUP=y isn't needed. I went back and noticed that I haven't put "y" to the variable. | 15:53 |
| suavedandy | That would've been a disaster. | 15:53 |
| suavedandy | Well, GRUB's installed. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT still only has quiet. | 15:58 |
| suavedandy | I have a question, fsmithred. When installing Debian on encrypted partition with a standard method the installer adds the discard option to /etc/crypttab. Is it continuous TRIM? | 16:01 |
| mason | suavedandy: It means TRIM is passed through. It doesn't speak to the schedule or style. | 16:04 |
| suavedandy | Ah. And if I change the crypttab do the changes apply after a reboot? | 16:05 |
| suavedandy | "error: compression type 0x3 not supported" | 16:06 |
| suavedandy | Maybe I needed to upgrade stuff… | 16:08 |
| mason | suavedandy: I've not followed this closely, but GRUB might not be happy with newer LUKS. | 16:08 |
| mason | suavedandy: I tend to avoid this entirely by having my /boot unencrypted. | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | mason you're right. If /boot is part of the encrypted partition, it has to be luks type1 | 16:10 |
| suavedandy | Well, when I formated, I set --type to luks1. | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | that's correct | 16:26 |
| suavedandy | Oh, shit. Here we go again. http://imgur.com/a/0HHLDA2 | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | adding CRYPTSETUP=y would not be a disaster | 16:27 |
| fsmithred | I think you only need that to force cryptsetup into the initramfs when the system is not encrypted | 16:27 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure it's automatic now if cryptsetup-initramfs is installed | 16:28 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, are you doing this in chroot? | 16:29 |
| suavedandy | Yes. | 16:29 |
| suavedandy | OH, SH-- | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | you need to bind-moun proc dev and sys | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | mount | 16:29 |
| suavedandy | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-- | 16:29 |
| onefang | Oopsie? | 16:30 |
| suavedandy | I did an oopsie. | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | don't feel bad, I always try to reboot from a chroot | 16:30 |
| suavedandy | Do I… upgrade again or… reinstall? | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | what? | 16:31 |
| suavedandy | After the upgrade crashed. | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | that was update-initramfs | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | you need to run it again after you create the missing directories | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | not create | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | mount them from the real system | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | assuming you're going to chroot whatever is mounted at /mnt | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | do same with /proc and /sys | 16:32 |
| suavedandy | You think the system is fine? | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | then chroot /mnt and run update-initramfs again | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | you have to bind-mount sys proc dev to the chroot if you want to do certain tasks | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | like grub-install or update-initramfs | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | "Can't open /proc/mounts. No such file or directory." | 16:33 |
| suavedandy | I understand. | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | cool | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | you might need to do | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | CRYPTSETUP=y update-initramfs -u | 16:34 |
| suavedandy | I mean, I know that you need to bind proc, dev and sys | 16:35 |
| suavedandy | I just forgot. | 16:35 |
| suavedandy | As always. | 16:35 |
| onefang | That's what scripts are for. | 16:35 |
| fsmithred | yeah, so I think everything should still be ok. Just repeat it. | 16:35 |
| suavedandy | Still. Compression not supported. | 16:43 |
| suavedandy | I did format in the LUKS1 format, I swear. | 16:43 |
| suavedandy | Can it be the zstd compression? | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | what | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | s | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | that? | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | or where is that? | 16:44 |
| suavedandy | On my encrypted partition. | 16:44 |
| suavedandy | I installed Devuan with zstd compression. | 16:45 |
| suavedandy | mount -o subvol=@,compress=zstd | 16:45 |
| fsmithred | I'm confused. You encrypted twice? | 16:46 |
| suavedandy | No. | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | I thought the whole thing was on a luks partition | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | i.e. btrfs is inside luks | 16:46 |
| suavedandy | Compression does not equal encryption. | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | oh | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | duh | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I'm not fully awake today | 16:46 |
| suavedandy | BtrFS is inside LUKS and has zstd compression. | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | maybe you need to have /boot as a separate un-compressed subvolume | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | just a guess | 16:47 |
| suavedandy | You think so? | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | or find out if there's a way to tell grub to use zstd | 16:47 |
| suavedandy | According to a topic on Arch's forums, it seems to only affect the zstd compression. The lzo compression works fine. | 16:49 |
| suavedandy | "I rebooted and I found grub rescue because grub didn't goes with compress level 3." | 16:49 |
| suavedandy | Perhaps GRUB's too old on Devuan. | 16:50 |
| suavedandy | Big oof. | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GRUB-Btrfs-Zstd-Support | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | I didn't read it | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | 2018 should be in debian/devuan somewhere | 16:51 |
| suavedandy | Will try with lzo then. | 16:51 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Don't forget that I'm on Buster. Some packages can get pretty old there. | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | beowulf has grub 2.02, chimaera has grub 2.04 which is probably new enough for zstd | 16:54 |
| suavedandy | *Beowulf | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | yeah, same | 16:54 |
| suavedandy | lzo it is then. | 16:54 |
| suavedandy | As I remember, it is for "Lempell-Zev-Something." | 16:55 |
| suavedandy | I don't remember the guy with his last name starting with "O." | 16:56 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Now I'm thinking. If there's automatic compression, what happens when you share 7-ZIP files between PCs? After all, it's compression within compression. | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | compressing compressed stuff doesn't make it much smaller, and I think it sometimes can make it bigger. | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | gzip an mp3 file won't give you much | 17:09 |
| suavedandy | I'm just thinking how it affects transmitting files between the computer with compression and computer with no compression. | 17:10 |
| suavedandy | Is the file uncompressed first? | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | yeah, if the compression is at the level of the filesystem, then it gets uncompressed when you boot up | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | no, maybe that's wrong | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | I'm thinking of encryption again | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | gonna go move firewood. I'm good for that right now. | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | bbl. | 17:13 |
| suavedandy | "Accessing a byte in the middle of the given 128 KiB range requires to decompress the whole range." | 17:14 |
| suavedandy | How often do backports get upgrades? | 18:28 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: I have both grub-common, grub-efi and grub2-common installed. Which of these are unnecessary? | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, if you are booting uefi, you need grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-amd64-bin. The -common packages will be automatically installed. Don't fight with it. | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | if you are booting with secure boot, you need grub-efi-amd64-signed | 20:26 |
| suavedandy | You can use secure boot? | 20:36 |
| suavedandy | The more you know… | 20:36 |
| suavedandy | https://youtu.be/Zmvt7yFTtt8 | 20:38 |
| eyalroz | Hello Devuaners, | 20:54 |
| eyalroz | where does one get installation images of Devuan Chimaera? | 20:55 |
| eyalroz | They don't seem to be available on the mirrors, e.g.: | 20:55 |
| eyalroz | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/ | 20:55 |
| mason | eyalroz: Typically you don't install testing directly, you upgrade from the latest stable. | 20:59 |
| mason | Doesn't mean someone can't make an install image, of course. | 21:00 |
| brocashelm | eyalroz: i know fsmithred hosts a few experimental refracta (devuan-based) chimaera images | 21:01 |
| brocashelm | https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ | 21:01 |
| brocashelm | use at your own risk | 21:01 |
| brocashelm | i like refracta better as far as ootb goes. ticks most of the right boxes for a starting debian install | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental is much more interesting | 21:06 |
| eyalroz | @mason: Why don't I install testing directly? | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | how? | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | debootstrap is probably the only way right now | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | well, other than my experimental chimaera isos | 21:28 |
| eyalroz | I think Debian offers installer images of bullseye: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | those have openbox, lxpanel and lxterminal | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I would advise against installing debian and then migrating to devuan | 21:29 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: That's not what I meant... | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | especially since we don't have a guide for it yet, which means you would be the trailblazer | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | oh | 21:29 |
| eyalroz | I mean that if Debian offers images of its testing, why shouldn't we offer the same? | 21:29 |
| miskatonic | no one makes a ratpoison iso, so I always have to do everything by hand | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | I agree we should | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | and maybe we will after we get the beowulf point-release out, which should be any week now. | 21:30 |
| eyalroz | (sorry for using the first person plural, I'm not really part of the project) | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | you're part of the community | 21:30 |
| * eyalroz grins | 21:30 | |
| fsmithred | ratpoison? | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | WarfarinOS? | 21:31 |
| miskatonic | ratpoison the window manager | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | is there a file manager that goes with it? | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | trying to remember a name | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | oh, I'm thinking of rox, not rat | 21:32 |
| miskatonic | true ratpoisoners use a terminal file manager or unix command line utilities | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | meeting time. bye. | 21:33 |
| brocashelm | i agree with officially distributing non-lts builds. i've already been using ceres for a lot longer than beowulf and ascii combined | 21:36 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: When you create such an image, then, in addition to publishing it on the website, please also post an answer here: | 22:25 |
| eyalroz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/523157/ | 22:25 |
| eyalroz | On a related note... | 22:26 |
| eyalroz | How safe is it, at the moment, to dist-upgrade from beowulf into chimaera? | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, I upgraded refracta beowulf to chimaera a few times, pretty easily. That's xfce without metapackages. | 22:28 |
| eyalroz | ... what would you predict for Cinnamon? | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | don't know | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | I won't open an account at stackexchange, but I can announce on dng mailing list and forum and here | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | or email me in a few weeks and ask me about it | 22:30 |
| eyalroz | good enough. | 22:30 |
| eyalroz | On an unrelated note - a couple of points about Devuan financies | 22:30 |
| eyalroz | 1. There's a typo in the FY 2019 financial report. dyne.org is a "stichting", not a "stitching". | 22:30 |
| clort | what is a stichting | 22:31 |
| eyalroz | 2. How is the project doing financially this year? I see the FY 2019 report which suggests quite a bit of money has been amassed. Has the same trend (of slow increase in funds) continued? | 22:31 |
| eyalroz | clort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stichting | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | last I heard we still have a lot of money | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | a lot for us | 22:32 |
| eyalroz | In that case, maybe some money could be spent on some kind of promotional efforts. I was specifically wondering if there were T-shirts or large posters one could get. | 22:34 |
| eyalroz | (that might not even need to be a money-loser, it could be an at-cost kind of a thing) | 22:34 |
| eyalroz | I realize right now is perhaps not the best time for T-shirts - since it's winter and there's covid-19 - but next year, if things improve | 22:35 |
| onefang | It's only winter on half the planet. | 22:38 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Is GRUB backported? | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, I don't know. | 22:41 |
| suavedandy | Damn. | 22:41 |
| fsmithred | no grub-efi-amd64 in beowulf-backports | 22:41 |
| suavedandy | Well, that sucks. Now I have to do it all over again. | 22:42 |
| * suavedandy is severely upset | 22:42 | |
| debdog | eyalroz: there is some merch https://shop.spreadshirt.net/devuan | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | Goddamnit. No purple. | 22:49 |
| suavedandy | I want to paint myself in the forum's color scheme. | 22:49 |
| suavedandy | It just looks so right. | 22:49 |
| suavedandy | Do the devs get any money from this? | 22:53 |
| eyalroz | @debdog: Those are ok, but they do basically nothing to attract the attention of people who don't already know what Devuan is. | 22:54 |
| eyalroz | ... but they are also extremely expensive. 20 EUR for a T-shirt, delivery not included? | 22:56 |
| eyalroz | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32915356430.html | 22:57 |
| eyalroz | ~10.5 USD + 1.5 USD shipping to where I live | 22:57 |
| eyalroz | (that's for Arch Linux) | 22:57 |
| eyalroz | Oh... Devuan face masks :-) | 22:58 |
| eyalroz | that's a thought for ya. | 22:58 |
| debdog | that's too political | 22:59 |
| suavedandy | Kinda agree, for $20 it's not particularly fancy. | 23:02 |
| suavedandy | You can get something like this for $15. https://www.levelupoutfitters.com/products/pirates-gold | 23:03 |
| suavedandy | It's not just a logo. There's, like, a girl sitting on top of a huge pile of coins, a bunch of dudes lying on the ground. Like, really detailed stuff. Especially for a T-shirt. | 23:08 |
| suavedandy | $15. | 23:09 |
| suavedandy | Just saying. | 23:09 |
| suavedandy | It's also purple. | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, suavedandy, you can also download the devuan logo and print your own iron-on for any T-shirt, mask, underwear, whatever... | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/ui/img/devuan-logo_tm_600dpi.png | 23:15 |
| eyalroz | Yeah, that doesn't look that great. But the point is - it should be some slogan and graphic which emphasizes the point of Devuan (at least the generic "Software freedom your way", and hopefully better and more expressive) | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | the T-shirts from the conference were nice. I don't know if there are any left. If so, they are probably at the dyne.org office in Amsterdam | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | it was a smaller devuan logo on the left upper chest and a big swoosh on the back. White on black shirt. | 23:20 |
| suavedandy | If only I could print T-shirts. | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | you can print iron-on decals | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | I think any inkjet printer will do it | 23:22 |
| miskatonic | do inkjets work with non-proprietary drivers? | 23:22 |
| suavedandy | Kek, you can probably take the first picture of the Shantae T-shirt design, put it into waifu2x to increase the detalization, make the BG transparent in Photoshop and print it out. | 23:23 |
| suavedandy | That would prob be hella mean but hey, you can do that. | 23:23 |
| suavedandy | Any inkjet printer… except the black-and-white ones. | 23:24 |
| suavedandy | Because I only have this. | 23:24 |
| suavedandy | Yes, I'm poor and this is my old school printer. | 23:24 |
| miskatonic | why do colour inkjets work without proprietary drivers, whereas bw ones do not? | 23:25 |
| suavedandy | I don't think it even prints properly now. It groans like an old man. | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | using a 25 year old laser printer here. | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | I don't know about inkjets. | 23:26 |
| suavedandy | miskatonic: Maybe because they're old and aren't manufactured anymore. | 23:26 |
| suavedandy | Also, the older the hardware, the less likely the Linux kernel supports it. Because there's a lot of that stuff. | 23:27 |
| suavedandy | And more companies are using OSS nowadays. In the 80's noone even knew what the hell open-source is. | 23:29 |
| golinux | Please take to offtopic. Not a devuan support question anymore | 23:29 |
| clort | got to have those serial numbers in the microdots :P | 23:30 |
| suavedandy | :| | 23:30 |
| qaluH | intall a old one? lol | 23:30 |
| qaluH | safer u cant be | 23:30 |
| suavedandy | Damn it. It's night again. Need to finish with the installation, quick. | 23:36 |
| suavedandy | Goddamn, goddamn, goddamn. | 23:36 |
| suavedandy | I'll never get a normal sleeping habit. ;( | 23:42 |
| qaluH | im done, just believe, i could believe it too that im getting my shit done today | 23:46 |
| qaluH | *not | 23:47 |
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