libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2022-12-21

rwpgnarface, It's an odd situation with those two systems.  They are not completely identical though and something about Chimaera must trigger a difference that didn't exist in Beowulf.00:52
rwpBut I have decided if I got to the bottom of things that it wouldn't change the result.  So have made adjustments and am moving on.00:52
rwpAnd did I say Chimaera?  I mean Beowulf.  I upgraded to Beowulf.  So have one more upgrade soon to Chimaera where things might yet again be the same or different.00:53
rustyaxefor uefi, do i mount efi system at /boot or /boot/EFI before deboostraping?01:39
gnarfacerustyaxe: dunno for sure but the second one looks closer to correct02:16
gnarfacei'm sure it's not /boot but it might not be /boot/EFI either02:16
gnarfaceit might actually be /boot/efi or /boot/EFI/debian or something like that... someone around here knows though so stick around02:17
gnarfacei just remember there was something wrong with the default that keeps coming up02:18
rustyaxewell i cna move if needed, got the debootstrap going02:18
rustyaxeso i cna chroot in and setup02:18
rustyaxeBasically i have a ryzen 3 laptop with busted LCD and it wont let me use external until in the OS02:19
rustyaxei want to recycle it for a server for my radios02:19
Xenguyrwp, Hilarious, same here, still running Beowulf03:59
rustyaxein theory soon i'll have my nvme populated with a perhaps bootable devuan.03:59
XenguyThe loss of wicd in Chimaera seemed like a step backwards04:00
rustyaxeIf it works, glorious day.04:00
rustyaxewicd?04:00
XenguyLook it up  : -)04:00
rustyaxeisnt everything managed by that disgusting network mangler turd these days? :(04:00
XenguyNot if you don't install it, but yeah04:00
Xenguywicd was a nice alternative for 'typical' use cases04:01
rustyaxei mean i have no need to install it. but i have useless realtek wifi :P04:01
XenguyBut Python2 went to Python3, and damn backwards compatibility04:01
rustyaxeyea python's a bitch like that04:02
XenguyIt's ridiculous04:02
rustyaxei kinda lost what little i had for python there04:02
XenguyBordering on criminal04:02
rustyaxeThe whitespace as syntax is disgusting enough.. that? That is a ware crime.04:02
XenguyWhy do they not bother to care about that?04:02
rustyaxeLike fucking raisins in chocoalte cookies.04:02
Xenguyhah04:02
rustyaxe"Oh look chocolate chip chocolate cookies"04:03
XenguyUh oh, food on the table, in the channel04:03
rustyaxe*Gags and vomits* What the **** is this? chemical warfare??! *tries to lick the dog's arse to get the taste out of mouth*04:03
XenguyNasty04:04
XenguyAre you AI rustyaxe ?04:04
rustyaxereminds me of when i gave dog mcdonalds burger piece. it ate a little.. spit rest out and spent an hour licking its arse04:04
Xenguywe have to ask nowadays you know  = )04:04
rustyaxeI assume the later was because of hte awful taste04:04
rustyaxei am ET.04:05
XenguyThat's the 2nd time today I've seen that error04:05
XenguyIt's 'latter', not 'later', in this case04:05
XenguyAnyhow, I'll return now to the non-offtopic task of licking my chops04:06
Xenguy*poof*04:06
rustyaxeCongrats.04:06
rustyaxewhy is debootstrap not installing apt as i tell it to...04:06
rustyaxefml04:06
XenguyEveryone references debootstrap, and I've never worked with it.  Everyone seems enthusiastic enough04:07
rustyaxeits not bad04:07
rustyaxebut for some reason its saying it install apt04:07
XenguyIs it like some chroot installation?04:07
rustyaxebut no apt in my nvme's chroot04:07
rustyaxeyea it lets yo uinstall system...elsewhere04:08
rustyaxeive used it to hijack a machine running shittyos04:08
rustyaxeand convert to devuan04:08
XenguyThat sounds useful04:08
golinuxNot off topic much?04:08
rustyaxei turned /home into the new root, debootstrapped it in04:08
rustyaxebooted it up, and had devuan :)04:08
Xenguygolinux, You are always a stalwart reminder of the proper limits04:09
rustyaxebut im struggling here to figure out why debootstrap --include=apt,tmux,joe,apt-utils,aptitude,ifupdown,udhcpd,isc-dhcp-client,wireguard i get noone of them04:09
XenguyI kind of thought we went back on topic, but maybe not04:09
golinuxYeah you did . . .04:10
Xenguyrustyaxe, hang in there, there are some users that know about this stuff who I'm sure can offer (sage) advice04:10
Xenguygolinux, yay04:10
XenguyMerry Festivus04:10
rustyaxeWhats that ... 'replacement' for debootstrap04:10
golinuxSolstic tomorrow04:10
golinux+e04:11
XenguyAha, I was wondering today/tomorrow?04:11
golinuxOT again04:11
rustyaxemultistrap. you were the friend04:11
uncloudedrustyaxe: I compared the result of debootstrap with an installation the other day and wrote it up: https://pub.rui.nz/debootstrap_vs_installation.html04:56
uncloudedThere's an incantation of debootstrap that I know worked (installing beowulf from chimaera) in a Makefile on that page04:57
uncloudedI've got /boot/efi and in it, files with paths like /boot/efi/EFI/debian/shimx64.efi05:03
uncloudedAnd these packages installed: grub-efi-amd64, grub-efi-amd64-signed05:11
rustyaxewhy is this trying to drag in systemd0?05:58
rustyaxeseems openssh-server wants it. Well we wont be using that cuz i dont want a systemd infestation06:02
golinuxrustyaxe: Please read this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=192506:27
golinuxThe punch line: "libsystemd0 is used by some daemons to verify if systemd is running or06:28
golinuxnot. If it's not, libsystemd is *totally* *harmless*. "06:28
gnarfaceit's still a strategic toehold, i understand mistrusting it, but isn't our libsystemd0 package an empty slug anyway?06:29
gnarfaceor is it unchanged?06:31
gnarfacei thought someone had put some work into making an empty one06:31
golinuxKatolaZ expains in that forum post06:59
golinuxThey are an annoyance to look at.07:00
rrqrustyaxe: you may use libelogind0 instead of libsystemd007:07
golinuxDoesn't it do that automatically?07:09
rrqapt doesn't discover that libelogind0 provides libsystemd0 until it is installed07:09
rrq(it generally doesn't look for "provides" options for packages)07:10
rrq(unless the package is a "pure" virtual without namesake implementation)07:11
rrq(afaik:)07:12
rustyaxelibsystemd0: Installed-Size: 924 kB10:15
rustyaxeDoesnt seem very empty10:15
rustyaxebut yup libelogind0 sorts it, thanks rrq10:16
joe313hi how can i turn off suspend?17:56
fsmithredjoe313, if you're talking about laptop lid behavior, check in the desktop settings.18:01
fsmithredin xfce it would be set in the power manager18:01
joe313i dont have a de i run a window manager18:01
fsmithredthere are a few places it could be set. I'll try to remember them.18:02
fsmithredlogind settings, I don't remember where they are.18:03
fsmithredacpi settings18:04
fsmithredif you search the forum, you'll find several discussions about laptop lid and suspend.18:04

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