| ravehaver9000 | oh, and now that ive disabled quiet on grub i dont seem to get any erros | 00:53 |
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| ravehaver9000 | although to be honest, the boot screens go by so fast i dont even notice anything going on | 00:53 |
| rwp | Do you have bootlogd installed? What's logged to the /var/log/boot file. What's in the "dmesg" kernel ring buffer? | 01:02 |
| rwp | IMNHO the proprietary nVidia driver is worse than the free software nouveau one. But just the same the nouveau driver crashed in quality the last year. Both are terrible options now. | 01:04 |
| NeverAlone | How to enable a service on runit on Devuan since it's a bit different than what I'm used to on Void or Artix | 05:08 |
| euphoricallysane | NeverAlone, init systems are why Devuan was made. | 05:20 |
| euphoricallysane | syshttps://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom | 05:22 |
| euphoricallysane | <3 devuan, btw -first time caller, long time listener ;) | 05:23 |
| Xenguy | <3 | 05:45 |
| ravehaver9000 | also sorry for not checking rwp but just checked /var/log/boot | 06:07 |
| ravehaver9000 | nothing involving dmesg in there | 06:07 |
| ravehaver9000 | and yea nvidia sucks. had i known id switch full time to linux within a year of getting my current pc id have gotten amd instead | 06:08 |
| onefang | The dmesg log is in /var/log/dmesg | 06:18 |
| onefang | Logs all the kernel boot messages. | 06:19 |
| onefang | You can also just run the dmesg command to dump it all to your terminal. | 06:19 |
| onefang | Though man dmesg is your friend. | 06:20 |
| onefang | Coz I just found out that "dmesg" by itself dumps the latest kernel messages. Which in my case is mostly those horrid "nvme0: Admin Cmd(0x6), I/O Error (sct 0x0 / sc 0x2) MORE" that the kernel devs say are harmless, except they happen every 15 seconds and fill my logs. | 06:22 |
| onefang | I managed to filter them from syslog, anyone know how to filter them from which ever console I'm using at any given time AND dmesg's buffer? | 06:23 |
| ravehaver9000 | cuirrently checking dmesg | 06:25 |
| ravehaver9000 | nvidia driverss seem to claim my kernel is "tainted", doesnt seem like much to worry about right | 06:26 |
| ravehaver9000 | something called "ccp" in dmesg claims im running a broken bios too | 06:26 |
| onefang | "tainted" generally means "closed source drivers" So nVidia drivers tainted themselves. lol | 06:26 |
| ravehaver9000 | KEK | 06:26 |
| ravehaver9000 | might have to check tomorrow though, im very sleepy rn | 06:27 |
| ravehaver9000 | +- | 06:27 |
| ravehaver9000 | OOPS | 06:27 |
| gnarface | onefang: there's some default in rsyslogd that echoes certain error messages to the current console. these messages are being duplicated there because they already go into the logs by default too. if you look up a solution to that general problem you should find a simple (1 line?) rsyslog config fix for it | 06:30 |
| onefang | I think that's what I already did to keep them out of syslog, but they still turn up on the console and dmesg. I'll have another look. | 06:33 |
| gnarface | oh, usually i was trying to get them off the console but leave them in the syslog... a similar fix should still work | 06:35 |
| gnarface | just look for preventing errors duplicated to console and rsyslogd | 06:35 |
| gnarface | nvidia drivers aren't the only things that misbehave this way | 06:35 |
| onefang | One bogus error every 15 seconds, I don't want to fill my disks with that. lol | 06:35 |
| onefang | if $msg contains 'nvme0: Admin Cmd(0x6), I/O Error (sct 0x0 / sc 0x2)' then stop | 06:35 |
| onefang | Is what i did before. | 06:36 |
| gnarface | oh you should be able to prevent that whole class of error from reaching the console by default | 06:36 |
| onefang | I was hoping "stop" meant "fucking stop already!". | 06:37 |
| onefang | Ah it's NOT rsyslog that's sending them to the console. I stopped it and they kept coming. | 07:05 |
| gnarface | odd | 07:06 |
| gnarface | none stopped, it didn't even halve the occurrences? | 07:06 |
| onefang | Nope. | 07:07 |
| gnarface | damn | 07:08 |
| onefang | There's ways of stopping particular classes of errors, but the problem is this is ERROR class, and I don't want to stop those, just the bogus ones. | 07:10 |
| onefang | It's dmesg! lol | 07:23 |
| onefang | Solved! | 08:24 |
| onefang | Created a file /etc/boot.d/00-dmesg Which gets called from /etc/rc.local The 00 bit is so it gets called first, though I could make it a proper sysvinit script to be called even earlier, but this is fine. | 08:25 |
| onefang | Coz the first command in it is "dmesg -D" which turns off the console logging, so any logging would have been happening up to this point anyway. So timing is less crucial. | 08:26 |
| onefang | Then next and final command is a doozy. | 08:27 |
| onefang | dmesg -PpTwx --level=err,crit,alert,emerg | grep -v 'nvme0: Admin Cmd(0x6), I/O Error (sct 0x0 / sc 0x2) MORE' > /dev/tty1 & | 08:27 |
| onefang | Basically it outputs dmesg forever, error and above, including more human readability, filters out the bogus error, and ONLY sends it to TTY1. | 08:28 |
| tomtmym | hey | 08:29 |
| tomtmym | i need really big help | 08:29 |
| onefang | Other ttys are available, but I like to use 1 for this sort of logging, since booting already spewed stuff there, and use TTY2 to 6 for login consoles, and 7 for X11. | 08:29 |
| tomtmym | i have installed "nvidia-driver" package, along with those which were required and have restarted the machine and when i start it, it does not automatically start with "startx" and also the resolution is weird and is showing 0hz for display settings | 08:30 |
| onefang | Others where discussing nVidia problems earlier. Hopefully one or more of them will still be here to help you. I don't use nVidia cards. | 08:31 |
| onefang | So stick around. | 08:31 |
| tomtmym | Im really stressed | 08:32 |
| tomtmym | i don't know what to do | 08:32 |
| tomtmym | and the error also said "nvidia-persistenced failed to initialize" | 08:32 |
| onefang | Like I said, I can't help you, but others can. | 08:34 |
| gnarface | tomtmym: multiple possible problems, including missing or conflicting configs or packages, but you don't actually need nvidia-persistenced, just remove it then make sure none of those packages are from older versions of the driver | 09:36 |
| gnarface | also blacklist nouveau or at least make sure it's blacklisted, and you may need to put "nomodeset" in your kernel command-line | 09:37 |
| gnarface | in the past i've also needed to make a normal complete xorg.conf to get it to do what i want, but if you install nvidia-settings it might be able to do some of the heavy lifting for you with its own internal config | 09:38 |
| gnarface | i'll be back later to check on you (maybe in about an hour) | 09:38 |
| gnarface | also while i'm gone dig up the actual model of your nvidia card as listed by lspci | 09:38 |
| gnarface | (driver could be too old or too new) | 09:39 |
| onefang | Thanks gnarface, you are a legend. | 09:39 |
| gnarface | also check your Xorg.0.log for any more specific relevant errors (the nvidia-persistenced thing is unlikely to be related) | 09:39 |
| tomtmym | gnarface: i somehow managed to fix it | 10:33 |
| tomtmym | gnarface: thanks anyway | 10:33 |
| gnarface | tomtmym: no idea how? | 11:05 |
| gnarface | just running nvidia-settings once and saving the config *might* have done it | 11:06 |
| gnarface | depending on your WM setup | 11:06 |
| alexus | Hi all. Please, could someone tell me if there/where are qcow images I can download? | 11:08 |
| gnarface | i don't know of any official ones but it would be pretty easy to make your own | 11:13 |
| alexus | gnarface> i know... it is just to have a "quicker" solution... | 11:15 |
| gnarface | there's probably at least some unofficial ones around here somewhere i just don't know where | 11:34 |
| gnarface | you could check the forum | 11:34 |
| alexus | gnarface> thanks... finally i will made one myself... | 11:45 |
| splinterbyte | another package missing in devuan(4), but is available in debian: sabnzbdplus | 12:34 |
| rrq | pls verify that you have the "contrib" section | 12:50 |
| buZz | sabnzbdplus/stable,stable 3.1.1+dfsg-2+deb11u1 all | 13:06 |
| buZz | my devuan has it | 13:06 |
| AdaNewb1234 | as does mine | 13:12 |
| gnarface | onefang: which release was doing that to you by the way? | 13:34 |
| gnarface | the dmesg thing | 13:34 |
| splinterbyte | hmm apparently only 'main' configured for 'chimaera' repo, only on 'chimaera-security' there are all 3 "main contrib non-free", so it's not a default? | 13:45 |
| splinterbyte | is there a "debian packages" search site equivalent for devuan ? | 13:47 |
| djph | packages.debian.org ? | 13:47 |
| djph | ugh I can't type | 13:48 |
| djph | packages.devuan.org ? | 13:48 |
| splinterbyte | that's a mirror repo | 13:48 |
| splinterbyte | I mean like the debian packages search website: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages | 13:49 |
| splinterbyte | OK I added "contrib non-free" to "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main" and now I can install sabnzbdplus... thanks | 13:51 |
| lts | Make sure to add them to chimaera-updates and chimaera-security as well | 13:52 |
| splinterbyte | 'main contrib non-free' was already present in the 'chimaera-security' and 'chimaera-updates' repos in my /etc/apt/sources.list, so I find it weird that it was not also on 'chimaera' | 13:55 |
| buZz | splinterbyte: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 13:55 |
| buZz | djph: ^ | 13:56 |
| splinterbyte | aha ! that's the one :) | 13:56 |
| mazes_83 | about: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=iptables-persistent=1.0.18 | 17:09 |
| mazes_83 | i see only a systemd unit in the package, is it intended ? | 17:10 |
| mazes_83 | I didn't see it from devuan, but wanted to use devuan package under raspbian for same issue | 17:11 |
| mazes_83 | raspbian isn't supposed to be systemd exclusive, I use it with openrc as I come from gentoo | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | mazes_83, we don't fork packages just to remove systemd unit files. There's no point as they do nothing without systemd. | 17:19 |
| mazes_83 | fsmithred: iptables-persistent should, before it use to call iptables-restore at startup via sysv-rc (or other rc) | 17:20 |
| mazes_83 | since latest change in packages from debian, the package just seems to do nothing | 17:20 |
| mazes_83 | other way to load iptables rules at startup, maybe I just missed that part | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | mazes_83, put iptables-restore command in /etc/rc.local | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | iptables-save to save the rules to a file, then iptables-restore $file in rc.local | 18:25 |
| Guest96 | guys i'm getting 404 | 19:00 |
| Guest96 | i did apt update and still | 19:01 |
| rwp | I'm confused... Isn't the best place to set up the firewall in the "up" section of the network config? That way it is always configured when the network is brought online? | 19:05 |
| rwp | Otherwise yes I would just start it in rc.local if it is a stable network system. | 19:08 |
| rwp | Guest96, You are getting a 404 on "apt-get update" using "deb.debian.org" as the round-robin DNS for it? Is that right? | 19:08 |
| rwp | s/deb.debian.org/deb.devuan.org/ My bad! | 19:08 |
| rwp | deb.devuan.org is a round robin DNS of a collection of mirrors. One of them is probably bad. | 19:09 |
| Guest96 | yeah, I'm trying to install a program | 19:09 |
| Guest96 | and the automatic mirror doesn't have it | 19:10 |
| rwp | Since it is a round-robin what will happen is that it will rotate through the collection of IP addresses. | 19:10 |
| Guest96 | it has it but not the version | 19:10 |
| Guest96 | like the release | 19:10 |
| rwp | Meaning that trying again a few times will likely rotate to a different server and then that time it will work. | 19:10 |
| Guest96 | rwp let me try again bro | 19:10 |
| rwp | If that continues to fail then I would change to single mirror and select it manually from the list. | 19:11 |
| Guest96 | what i can't believe it worked | 19:12 |
| rwp | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt is a list of package mirrors for Devuan. Locate a mirror near you and change deb.devuan.org to it in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. | 19:12 |
| rwp | It worked for you? Good! | 19:12 |
| rwp | And yes that is expected because it rotates from one server to another server to another server and one of the collection is probably broken right now. | 19:12 |
| rwp | Upon hitting an error the utility will stop and report the error, not realizing that if it rotated to another one that the next one would work. | 19:13 |
| rwp | And it is somewhat of a confusing thing because as things are cached they will hold onto both success and failure for a bit of time. | 19:13 |
| rwp | So depending you might need to have waited at least 10 minutes for the "negative cache time" to expire on a DNS failure. For example. | 19:14 |
| rwp | But most of the time I can just try it again and immediately it will rotate to the next server and that one will be okay. | 19:14 |
| rwp | Guest96, onefang has a tool https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html which monitors the state of the mirrors if you want to dig into the details of which is what. | 19:15 |
| Guest96 | I guess it indeed rotated because when I got the error I investigated the bad mirror and the version it had was lower, when I successfully tried again to install the package I went to check that mirror again and the version was still incorrect | 19:18 |
| rwp | Of course the Devuan Project goal is that all of the mirrors will always be working perfectly the practicality is that they are all donated systems and sometimes volunteers break things! | 19:18 |
| Guest96 | I saw other servers in that mirror_list.txt and some of them didn't even have a version of the program | 19:19 |
| rwp | What package are you trying to install? | 19:20 |
| Guest96 | Thank you very much for helping me | 19:20 |
| Guest96 | It's already installed, wireplumber | 19:21 |
| Guest96 | http://tw1.mirror.blendbyte.net/debian/pool/main/w/wireplumber/ - this mirror doesn't have 0.4.13 so it doesn't work for ceres | 19:22 |
| Guest96 | it was the one apt was trying to pull the package from | 19:22 |
| rwp | I looked it up here https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=wireplumber&x=submit | 19:23 |
| rwp | So this is either on Daedalus Testing or Ceres Unstable. Gotcha. Should be okay. | 19:23 |
| rwp | Unstable has the most churn. I keep a couple of systems running Unstable and upgraded daily. It's amazing how much thrash there is *every day*. | 19:24 |
| rwp | This makes it the most likely to have mirror issues since the mirrors need to chase that moving target continuously. | 19:24 |
| rwp | And of course Testing is just a little bit behind Unstable and has the same churn. It's really Testing & Unstable together. Not just Unstable. | 19:25 |
| bb|hcb | rwp: Note that the failing one is a Debian mirror. Some mirrors also mirror Debian and redirect to the local copy for Debian packages, others redirect to deb.debian.org. | 19:55 |
| bb|hcb | onefang: Can you notify the folks from tw1.mirror.blendbyte.net and ask them to update the Debian mirror or change the redirect to deb.debian.org? Looks like it is not updated since 2022-Nov-28 | 19:56 |
| bb|hcb | It is also a good idea to get it off the RR until that is fixed | 19:57 |
| rwp | bb|hcb, Ah, so this is the layer below the layer below. Thanks for clarifying this. | 20:00 |
| Xenguy | Someone somewhere was mentioning some software named 'zeitgeist'... | 21:12 |
| Xenguy | I just checked now, and although it was not installed (Beowulf), I did find that a related package named 'zeitgeist-core' *was* installed, apparently by default (i.e. I know I did not install it manually) | 21:14 |
| golinux | Oooooo . you are ubfected! | 21:16 |
| golinux | infected actually | 21:16 |
| Xenguy | Not anymore, I purged the package just a moment ago | 21:16 |
| Xenguy | But it concerns me that zeitgeist-core was installed by default : -/ | 21:17 |
| golinux | It is likely a recommends | 21:17 |
| golinux | zeitgeist has been around for a decade so not something new but its purpose may be amplified | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | Could be, that would be one explanation | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | I will follow up the forum thread and check for any other related packages, as time permits | 21:18 |
| Guest96 | What shell lines do you have to run startx upon login | 21:50 |
| D-HUND | cat ~/.profile | 21:51 |
| D-HUND | ... | 21:51 |
| D-HUND | hmm, copy'n'paste not worky with hs mose | 21:52 |
| D-HUND | if [ "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ]; then | 21:53 |
| D-HUND | startx /usr/bin/startfluxbox | 21:53 |
| D-HUND | logout | 21:53 |
| D-HUND | fi | 21:53 |
| Guest96 | thanks, let me try | 21:56 |
| Guest96 | it worked! | 21:57 |
| D-HUND | phew | 22:01 |
| onefang | Ah a few messages to me, but keep in mind I'm in Australia, just woke up. I'll get to them when my head clears and other morning stuff. | 23:10 |
| alphalpha | Hey | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | hi | 23:31 |
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