| friedhelm | q | 00:24 |
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| golinux | friedhelm: Just ask your question . . . | 00:43 |
| Xenguy | I think he was trying to /quit, something... | 00:46 |
| brocashelm | or he's part of a group that starts with that letter... | 00:52 |
| Xenguy | If you had 1 letter only, which would you choose? | 00:55 |
| Xenguy | X | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | omicron? | 01:13 |
| gnarface | joerg: huh, i forgot about that, good catch | 07:00 |
| martinleger | hello I've just installed devuan chimaera on my laptop and I'm missing two softwares that I like one of which is selene (media encoder), it is not in the repos. From my research I found this method to install it on my system : apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa. Is it safe to do ? adding a new repo like that is not gonna break future updates ? | 08:14 |
| rkta | Isn't ppa a Ubuntu thing? | 08:18 |
| martinleger | no idea I don't use ubuntu | 08:19 |
| martinleger | I just want to install that software on my machine I don't need to add another repo which is gonna do i don't know. I managed to install another software by install its .deb package which works fine so far. Don't know if this install method is advised or not from a security stand point. What do you think ? | 08:21 |
| gnarface | martinleger: no, it's not safe | 08:27 |
| gnarface | martinleger: from a security standpoint it's not advised to use any non-devuan repos, but the problem is worse than that - using repos made for debian or ubuntu can corrupt your installation's dependency tree or even accidentally pull in systemd stuff | 08:29 |
| gnarface | it might "work" but sometimes that's almost worse, because the real problem stays hidden until your next upgrade | 08:30 |
| gnarface | that said, selene isn't in the banned packages list (http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt) which suggests it's not in devuan because it's not in debian either, so it may not have anything to do with systemd dependencies, so it might be fine too... the theoretical risks are great as i've stated, but i can't tell you for sure in this case whether it's really a problem or not | 08:31 |
| martinleger | @gnarface, oh ok that's what I thought, thanks for the advice man. I just did yesterday this command : apt install -f media-downloader.deb (which is a front end for youtube-dl) . Is this install method safer than add ppa ? | 08:32 |
| gnarface | safer than adding a ppa repo from a stability standpoint, but no different from a security standpoint | 08:33 |
| mdt | hello, i just wanted to use youtube-dl but found that the program is gone. the package doesnt contain it anymore, its only having the doc. does someone know more? | 08:33 |
| martinleger | why is it still not safe ? i don't understand | 08:34 |
| martinleger | because i don't know any other way of installing that program | 08:34 |
| gnarface | martinleger: it's just because it could be anything; nobody from debian or devuan has audited 3rd party software not in the official repos, so you're taking your own risk about trusting them not to be hostile and your download method not to be compromised | 08:35 |
| gnarface | mdt: which release, chimaera, daedalus, ceres? | 08:35 |
| martinleger | @mdt it works for me I have the 2021 version install | 08:35 |
| martinleger | @gnarface, thank you now I get it, you're right actually | 08:35 |
| martinleger | @gnarface, look I downloaded the package from this website https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home%3Aobs_mhogomchungu&package=media-downloader I picked up debian 11 I think | 08:39 |
| martinleger | should I uninstall it to be sure my system is not compromised ? | 08:39 |
| rkta | Which is the address linked from the README on Github. I don't think there is any better method if it's not in the repos. | 08:43 |
| martinleger | exactly, that's the only way as far as i know. I did a virustotal of the package and it's clean. | 08:44 |
| gnarface | martinleger: eh, is that an official opensuse repo? if so maybe it's fine | 08:45 |
| martinleger | no idea gnarface but it's from the github | 08:45 |
| martinleger | https://github.com/mhogomchungu/media-downloader | 08:46 |
| gnarface | for this particular piece of software, that's probably the best you can do, the risk of inherent crashes is minimal since you got a package for the right corresponding debian version, as long as you didn't get systemd installed the only real risk is you're installing something that hasn't cleared debian's approval process... but i don't know anything about this piece of software so maybe it would clear their approval | 08:49 |
| gnarface | process if someone tried to get it approved, there's no implicit signs here that it was rejected or anything | 08:49 |
| gnarface | that's assuming it is actually intended for debian 11; which corresponds to devuan current stable (chimaera) | 08:51 |
| martinleger | i see, and yes it corresponds to chimaera I checked that as well and it runs fine I tried to download a couple videos and no issue so far | 08:51 |
| martinleger | now I only need to get avidemux installed but it is not in the official repos | 08:52 |
| martinleger | I was looking for a multimedia devuan repos like debian has (i think) but it seems devuan doesn't offer that multimedia repo | 08:52 |
| gnarface | note that the debian multimedia repo was never official and after years of severe quality control problems they actually forced them to change their name to keep from wrongfully implying any official connection | 08:53 |
| martinleger | ok i didn't know that | 08:54 |
| gnarface | yea they had to change it to deb-multimedia | 08:54 |
| martinleger | which programs do you use to cut videos ? I like avidemux it gets the job done for me | 08:55 |
| gnarface | i just use bare ffmpeg | 08:55 |
| martinleger | in command-line? | 08:55 |
| gnarface | yea, i put so much time into learning how to use it before there were any good alternatives there's no point in me struggling with other stuff now | 08:55 |
| martinleger | yea i think too it is the best to learn ffmpeg so many programs are frontends of ffmpeg now | 08:56 |
| onefang | I had tried Blender for making videos, but it really wants to render in real time. Pffft | 08:56 |
| martinleger | i just don't have the time and the knowledge to study ffmpeg | 08:56 |
| gnarface | note however that if the avidemux source is properly debianized (has a ./debian/ top-level directory) it shouldn't be hard to just make your own deb from it | 08:56 |
| martinleger | blender is more for 3D creations i think | 08:57 |
| gnarface | for graphical programs, i've heard good things about kdenlive but i'm not sure if you need to actually be running kde to use it | 08:57 |
| onefang | Yes, but it includes a decent video editor as well. For animating your 3D. | 08:57 |
| martinleger | I'm gonna look it up if it has a deb package | 08:57 |
| martinleger | kdenlive is like shotcut, kinda like final cut pro x | 08:58 |
| martinleger | it's too big for me I like avidemux because it's light and fast | 08:58 |
| martinleger | those softwares are intented for content creation | 08:59 |
| mdt | gnarface: sorry, its chimaera | 08:59 |
| gnarface | mdt: check the version on it | 09:00 |
| martinleger | I have installed shotcut and it's actually very light. Might use it instead of avidemux | 09:00 |
| gnarface | mdt: one of these? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=youtube-dl&x=submit | 09:00 |
| martinleger | mdt, 2021-06-01 is the version installed for me | 09:00 |
| mdt | here it installs youtube-dl all 2021.12.17-2 | 09:03 |
| martinleger | what do you guys use to extract .rar archives ? | 09:03 |
| mdt | unrar | 09:04 |
| brocashelm | unrar (non-free version) | 09:04 |
| gnarface | heh, i try to avoid it, but i used to use unrar | 09:04 |
| gnarface | i didn't think there were any alternatives for linux | 09:05 |
| martinleger | alright thanks | 09:05 |
| gnarface | it's proprietary you should just boycott them | 09:05 |
| brocashelm | the free version of unrar is unrar-free | 09:05 |
| gnarface | yea but its compatibility is minimal | 09:06 |
| mdt | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=youtube-dl=2021.12.17-2 shows the content to be the doc only | 09:06 |
| martinleger | nice unrar-free is in the repos | 09:07 |
| brocashelm | true, but i need some proprietary drivers/software to have a functional machine | 09:07 |
| gnarface | mdt: that's the ceres version though | 09:07 |
| mdt | ah, yes sorry, i use ceres on this box | 09:08 |
| brocashelm | speaking of ceres, intel's accel-config is only available for that repo for now | 09:09 |
| gnarface | mdt: i can only assume they broke it in ceres, try going back to a previous version | 09:09 |
| brocashelm | handy if you use xeon-powered servers | 09:09 |
| brocashelm | i just download the main binary from upstream and run yt-dlp -U every once in a blue moon | 09:09 |
| martinleger | I don't see yt-dlp in the repos. Did you download the package from external sources ? | 09:12 |
| martinleger | oh that's what you mean I think | 09:12 |
| mdt | martinleger: i had problems with unrar-free, they tell "It cannot handle archives in newer RAR formats.", maybe that was the cause | 09:12 |
| martinleger | mdt, I use unrar (non free) on my other machine | 09:13 |
| gnarface | mdt: yea, unrar-free specifically excludes compatibility with the paid version of of their format | 09:13 |
| martinleger | ok i see | 09:13 |
| gnarface | basically anyone using unrar to make rars these days is probably using the paid version, which means unrar-free is useless for extracting their stuff | 09:14 |
| gnarface | you should be able to build regular unrar just fine on devuan though | 09:14 |
| gnarface | but i still recommend you boycott it | 09:14 |
| gnarface | they're evil | 09:14 |
| martinleger | are you saying winrar are evil because they make proprietary softwares ? | 09:15 |
| gnarface | actually i'm not even sure you can make rar files with unrar, it's winrar you're right | 09:15 |
| martinleger | I've never use winrar in my life, i used to use 7zip on windows back in the days | 09:16 |
| gnarface | 7zip is a very new thing to us old people | 09:17 |
| gnarface | they're not evil or proprietary though, they just use xz which has fully functional native linux tools that are in the devuan repo | 09:18 |
| martinleger | oh i see then | 09:18 |
| gnarface | even winzip never did anything proprietary with their formats like winrar did | 09:19 |
| martinleger | i wonder if 7z can decompress rar files | 09:19 |
| brocashelm | martinleger: it's in the repo for me | 09:19 |
| brocashelm | might want to enable chimaera-backports | 09:20 |
| martinleger | yea p7zip package i see | 09:20 |
| brocashelm | or else just download the binary from here: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2023.01.06 | 09:20 |
| brocashelm | and place it in /usr/local/bin | 09:20 |
| martinleger | oh you're talking about yt-dlp my bad | 09:21 |
| brocashelm | np | 09:22 |
| martinleger | so in my apt source list i have main non-free (thats for my wifi card) and contrib what is contrib? not backport I assume | 09:24 |
| brocashelm | contrib in debian terms is like a package that's free, but depends on non-free packages (such as virtualbox) | 09:25 |
| martinleger | here https://www.devuan.org/os/packages it says that non-free and contrib are basically the same if I understand correctly | 09:26 |
| martinleger | ok i understand thanks man | 09:26 |
| gnarface | it's common to have them together | 09:26 |
| gnarface | lots of non-free stuff assumes you've also enabled contrib too | 09:26 |
| gnarface | personally i try to minimize my contact with such things, enabling them only to get required drivers and such, then disabling them afterwards to avoid getting bloat (since the stuff in there tends to be of lower quality than the stuff in main too) | 09:27 |
| martinleger | oh ok I can disable those when I get my wifi card working, is not gonna remove the wifi non free driver ? | 09:28 |
| brocashelm | i found out about a nice wrapper script for apt/dpkg the other day called debfoster; it helps you cut down to just the essential packages on your system | 09:28 |
| brocashelm | no, it shouldn't | 09:28 |
| martinleger | thank you | 09:29 |
| brocashelm | :) | 09:29 |
| martinleger | then I suppose i can also do add the backport for yt-dlp and once it is installed, remove the backports right ? | 09:30 |
| gnarface | martinleger: you just have to temporarily re-enable non-free if there's an upgrade for the driver, like whenever you also upgrade the kernel, but for stable that is pretty rare for it to be necessary | 09:31 |
| brocashelm | user preference, but i like to keep it, just in case certain packages might not be available on stable | 09:31 |
| gnarface | martinleger: i'd also advise disabling backports after using it yea, because the stuff in there is even less well reviewed/tested against itself, but to each their own... | 09:31 |
| brocashelm | but i use ceres. anyway... i don't need it at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 09:32 |
| gnarface | yea if you're on unstable you're basically connected to the firehose | 09:32 |
| brocashelm | at least when compared to testing, if there is breakage, unstable will receive fixes ASAP, while testing might take days | 09:34 |
| martinleger | alright thanks both of you, i really appreciate your insight - i 'm gonna try that | 09:34 |
| brocashelm | it's a blessing and a curse, lol | 09:34 |
| martinleger | when you guys get back and see this. I tried unrar (free) to decompress my .rar file and it didn't work. I somehow managed to decompress it with 7z and it worked perfectly. and 7z is free what can I ask more :) | 10:00 |
| gnarface | interesting, i wouldn't have guessed that it would work, i wonder if that'll work for all the non-free .rar files or if there was something special about that one (like maybe it was actually a xz file misnamed) | 10:02 |
| xinomilo | you probably have p7zip-rar installed which is non-free (?) | 12:15 |
| martinleger | xinomilo, you're probably right. I just checked my packages and I've got installed : p7zip and p7zip-full (which says RAR format is supported only if non-free p7zip-rar package is installed) but I can't find p7zip-rar in synaptic probably because I removed the contrib and non-free repos. Anyway, thanks for the clarification. | 13:32 |
| Xenguy | mdt, +1 Just get a copy of 'yt-dlp' (i.e. instead of 'youtube-dl') | 16:17 |
| Xenguy | Drop it in /usr/local/bin | 16:26 |
| Xenguy | Then I did: ln -s yt-dlp youtube-dl | 16:27 |
| Xenguy | ^^ Assumes that 'youtube-dl' does not already exist in /usr/local/bin | 16:27 |
| Xenguy | Now 'mpv' will automatically use yt-dlp if you do: mpv <some-YT-video-URL> | 16:28 |
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