| charliebrownau | 11:00AM GMT+10 - Gday Anyone got a good blog/forum post on getting AMD RX 580/480 working with a fresh reinstall of Devuan 4.0 , proton and native linux games are reporting its missing a pixelshader 5 card, chances are openGL 4.5/4.6 or Vulkan isnt fully installed , thanks in advance | 02:00 |
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| charliebrownau | Reinstalled Devuan last nite due to replacing OS drive from 250 gig NVME with 2TB NVME - Devuan 4.0 , mobo GA B450m S2H , kernal 5.10.0-20 , XFCE 4.16, slim, wfwm4, AMD RX 580 8gb, 27" IPS 75hz screen .... everything else is working well | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | install firmware-amd-graphics? | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | just a guess | 02:05 |
| charliebrownau | Did that | 02:07 |
| charliebrownau | I did search around before asking | 02:07 |
| charliebrownau | thats why im after a well documated guide, blog or wiki, with it all correctly laid out for Devuan | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | maybe try arch linux wiki | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | if it's very new hardware, you might need newer kernel | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | sorry I don't have any better ideas | 02:08 |
| charliebrownau | I did find that Kingston NVMEs work better then Samsung EVO 950s with Debian and Devuan .... and Kingston is cheaper... from personal expereince at least | 02:12 |
| onefang | I don't think AMD RX 580/480 is new. I have an AMD RX 5600 XT that's a few years old. I needed to install the chimeara-backports kernel to get it working. | 02:13 |
| charliebrownau | I managed to get War Thunder to play and it claims to be using vulkan | 02:21 |
| charliebrownau | Sandstorm and OMD3 are complaining thou | 02:21 |
| onefang | You might need mesa for OpenGL stuff. | 02:21 |
| charliebrownau | Any good blog post, wikis or forum stuff on that ? My guess is it would be a common thing needed for gamers with AMD and Devuan , yes ??? | 02:22 |
| onefang | As fsmithred said, Arch Linux Wiki is often good for random Linux stuff. They tend to go into great detail that is useful for other Linux distros. | 02:23 |
| onefang | https://wiki.archlinux.org/ | 02:24 |
| charliebrownau | ill check the arch wiki but wouldnt it be a good idea to have all this info for ex windows users coming to devuan for AMD and Nvidia cards ? | 02:24 |
| onefang | If only we had enough volunteers to do that sort of thing for us. There's not many of us working on Devuan, we do what we can. | 02:25 |
| charliebrownau | Typing in : glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version" brings up OpenGL version string: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 20.3.5 | 02:28 |
| charliebrownau | I think i need DXVK to get Proton games working also - https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk | 02:29 |
| onefang | I don't know anything about DXVK or Proton, sorry. Stick around, someone else probably does. | 02:36 |
| charliebrownau | Cool once I sort all this out ill share a install script and blog + video on the topic | 02:37 |
| charliebrownau | so others can just run a sh file and its all done | 02:37 |
| onefang | Cool. | 02:37 |
| charliebrownau | If anyone is after an cheap RX 580, aliexpress is selling them currently for AUD$120, which is probly like USD$75-80 , BRAND NEW from this seller that ships world wide for free - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004805632645.html | 02:39 |
| gnarface | charliebrownau: make sure you have the mesa-vulkan-drivers package (don't forget that you need to enable multi-arch and install both the :amd64 and :i386 versions of everything graphics related for most Steam/proton/wine stuff to work right) | 02:45 |
| charliebrownau | gnarface - Thanks , its already installed | 02:49 |
| gnarface | how about mesa-vdpau-drivers? | 02:49 |
| gnarface | mesa-va-drivers? | 02:49 |
| gnarface | libgl1-mesa-dri? | 02:49 |
| charliebrownau | War Thunder works with vulkan atm , its OMD3 (proton) and other UE4 games bitching about missing stuff | 02:50 |
| gnarface | libgl1-mesa-glx/ | 02:50 |
| gnarface | you got the i386 versions of all the mesa stuff too? | 02:50 |
| charliebrownau | mesa-vdpau-driver yes libgl1-mesa-dri yes libgl1-mesa-glx , no | 02:51 |
| charliebrownau | libgl1 didnt fix it , i installed it thou | 02:51 |
| gnarface | how about SDL? | 02:54 |
| charliebrownau | Hmmmm , is that in apt get , sdl2 ? | 02:55 |
| gnarface | i have the i386 and amd64 versions of the base libsdl2-2.0-0 package too | 02:55 |
| charliebrownau | what i typed in so far :- sudo apt purge *nvidia* | 02:55 |
| charliebrownau | sudo apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics libgl1-mesa-dri libglx-mesa0 mesa-vulkan-drivers xserver-xorg-video-all | 02:55 |
| charliebrownau | sudo apt install libvulkan1 mesa-vulkan-drivers libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx mesa-va-drivers | 02:55 |
| charliebrownau | sudo apt install wine64 | 02:55 |
| gnarface | here, from my "dpkg -l |grep mesa" https://paste.debian.net/1267999/ | 02:55 |
| gnarface | i assume "xserver-xorg-video-all" includes xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu but make sure because that's the one that counts | 02:57 |
| gnarface | and check the xorg log to make sure it's actually using amdgpu and not radeon; some of the cards may work with both and xorg isn't always great at sane auto-detection | 02:58 |
| gnarface | occasionally i've had to use launch options to override the LD_PRELOAD environment variable to force some games to use the system libSDL2 instead of Steam's bundled crippled one | 02:59 |
| charliebrownau | Yeah i had to do that to get Insurency going on a few distros | 02:59 |
| charliebrownau | gnarface, this is what ive typed in so far after the reinstall - https://dpaste.org/E6b16 | 03:00 |
| gnarface | note i included a couple -dev mesa packages in that list; you might need them and some other dev stuff too for DXVK to be able to successfully compile shaders | 03:01 |
| charliebrownau | its not a laptop, custom pc , its a script i also use to reinstall linux onto laptops | 03:01 |
| charliebrownau | tired all them, it installed 2 things, same pixelshader 5 missing thing | 03:07 |
| charliebrownau | Im downloading the doom demo to see if it works, it has native linux support and vulkan support | 03:07 |
| gnarface | you on stable? | 03:07 |
| charliebrownau | Devuan 4.0 | 03:08 |
| charliebrownau | how do i tell if its stable ? | 03:08 |
| gnarface | it's called chimaera? | 03:08 |
| charliebrownau | 5.10.0-20 kernal , devuan 4 chimaera | 03:08 |
| gnarface | you might want to try the kernel and firmware-amd-graphics packages from backports | 03:09 |
| charliebrownau | So older Kernal then 5.10 , will that screw stuff up or go okay ? | 03:09 |
| gnarface | no, chimaera-backports will have a newer kernel and firmware | 03:10 |
| gnarface | you might want to check for mesa packages in there too | 03:10 |
| gnarface | there's the off chance it will fix the issue | 03:10 |
| gnarface | sometimes it does with missing features | 03:10 |
| charliebrownau | I really dont want a newer kernal then 5.18 , 6.x and 19 and 20 didnt work currectly with Proton and UE4 games before i reinstalled | 03:10 |
| charliebrownau | Doom demo downloaded, it worked with openGL 4.5, it wont re start now i told it to use vulkan | 03:27 |
| gnarface | what's the exact error you're getting? | 03:27 |
| charliebrownau | yet War Thunder works on Vulkan | 03:28 |
| gnarface | you mentioned some stuff not working in proton and UE4 stuff not working? what are the exact error texts you're getting? | 03:28 |
| charliebrownau | OMD3 proton game error - Message A D3D11 comptable GPU (feature 11.0 , shadermodel 5.0) is required to run the engine | 03:29 |
| gnarface | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/vnsqsu/d3d11_issue_on_proton_with_ghostrunner/ | 03:31 |
| gnarface | this reddit thread seems to have a solution, but i don't know what debian package corresponds to the "amdvlk" package mentioned here | 03:32 |
| gnarface | whatever it is, seems like you gotta find it and downgrade it to an earlier version | 03:32 |
| gnarface | (or failing that, see if there's a newer one in backports that might fix the bug) | 03:32 |
| charliebrownau | doesnt seem to be installed, at least not via apt install | 03:33 |
| charliebrownau | i checked, i dl 2.0 verison, earlier then that | 03:34 |
| charliebrownau | ./setup_dxvk.sh: 30: 0: not found | 03:35 |
| charliebrownau | wine: configuration in L"/home/charliebrownau/.wine" has been updated. | 03:35 |
| charliebrownau | ./setup_dxvk.sh: 82: Bad substitution | 03:35 |
| gnarface | i usually use winetricks to install dxvk | 03:35 |
| gnarface | proton should already include it though | 03:36 |
| charliebrownau | whats the winetricks method ? | 03:36 |
| charliebrownau | nm , winetricks by itself | 03:38 |
| gnarface | you just download the winetricks script and run it like "winetricks dxvk" | 03:39 |
| charliebrownau | ahhh | 03:42 |
| charliebrownau | thanks | 03:42 |
| charliebrownau | that did a bit of stuff, sweet | 03:42 |
| gnarface | in my experience, you probably also want to use it to install corefonts and tahoma | 03:43 |
| gnarface | (lots of windows games die badly if the assumed default font set isn't present) | 03:43 |
| charliebrownau | that didnt fix OMD3 unless ive got to reboot again | 03:45 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't have to reboot for wine prefix changes, but you would have had to at least run "ldconfig" and log out all the way and back in for all those mesa libraries from earlier | 03:46 |
| gnarface | ... and note that for graphics libraries if you're running a graphical login setup you'll also need to restart the login manager | 03:46 |
| charliebrownau | ill just reboot , bbs | 03:47 |
| landley | Do you guys have libslirp? The qemu developers have found a new way to be crazy: https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commit/5890258aeeba | 05:50 |
| landley | I think my beowulf is up to date, but it hasn't got a libslirp. (It's got a "slirp", but that claims to be slip/ppp.) | 05:53 |
| rwp | landley, That commit message says "Debian 11: 4.4.0" which means that unless it hard depends upon systemd then it is also in Devuan. | 05:58 |
| rwp | And I find it in Devuan just fine. https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=libslirp-dev&x=submit | 05:59 |
| landley | Hmmm, beowulf-backports repo... | 06:01 |
| landley | I'll try to add that. Thanks. | 06:02 |
| rwp | Note that Chimaera is Stable and Beowulf is OldStable. | 06:03 |
| rwp | Maybe consider upgrading to Stable? :-) | 06:03 |
| Helenah | I agree with what rwp said, Beowulf won't last for long, and it will only get older. | 12:25 |
| * Xenguy likes Beowulf, it was a very nice release. Anyone knows when it is no longer supported? | 20:28 | |
| golinux | You can probably figure it out from here: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 20:36 |
| golinux | Remember that page? :D | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | also here: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS June 30, 2024 | 20:43 |
| Xenguy | golinux, How would I know that page, hahah | 21:09 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, Plenty of time, it's like being in the prairies and looking out at the horizon | 21:10 |
| fluffywolf | I upgraded firefox, and now it's doing some really annoying shit with hiding the scroll bars. is this firefox or some widget library, and how do I kill it? | 22:13 |
| fluffywolf | I was putting up with it, but now I'm having to scroll dropdown boxes, and it's too fucking annoying. | 22:15 |
| rwp | I also find the behavior extremely annoying. I find myself jiggling the scroll in order to light up the bar so I can see where I am in the file. | 22:22 |
| gnarface | fluffywolf: new feature, i hate it too (pretty sure it violates some or another w3c spec in fact) | 22:27 |
| rwp | I very often talk to other people in the tech community who think that it is just cool to get their name in the ChangeLog history. | 22:33 |
| rwp | They will diddle with things not because it is beneficial but because it is a change they think they can do to get their name into the ChangeLog. | 22:33 |
| gnarface | yea but for some reason i have a strange sense that this particular change had something to do with appeasing advertisers | 22:42 |
| onefang | Firefox or firefox-ESR? Coz I recently upgraded ESR and I'm not seeing that problem. | 22:58 |
| onefang | Though I always scroll with the mouse wheel anyway, but the scroll bars are still there. | 22:59 |
| gnarface | onefang: seems to just be iframes, i think. they merely shrunk the main scrollbar until mouseover, but in some cases it seems to disappear completely until you mouseover where it would have been | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | I'm seeing disappearing scrollbars in ff-esr, and that's even with gtk3-nocsd and gtk3-nooverlayscrollbar installed | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | and when they do appear, they are very thin | 23:20 |
| HumanG33k | hi friends, | 23:20 |
| HumanG33k | can i make a local mirror with ftpsync ? | 23:21 |
| HumanG33k | also is there is a roadmap to improve free(dom) software support and push back others away a little more ? | 23:22 |
| gnarface | there's a mirror creation howto around here somewhere, but i think it's http only | 23:25 |
| HumanG33k | too bad, i may try and come back here to say if it works or no | 23:26 |
| onefang | The official mirror creation how to uses rsync, but I've never tried ftpsync. Should work with our FTP mirrors. | 23:27 |
| bb|hcb | HumanG33k: Maybe plain rsync will do. But note that you also need Debian's packages | 23:27 |
| HumanG33k | bb|hcb: ftpsync currently retrieve stuff ;) | 23:28 |
| bb|hcb | onefang: ftpsync uses rsync but relies on Debian's mirrors trace files and etc | 23:28 |
| onefang | Some of the mirrors support rsync as well. | 23:29 |
| bb|hcb | The best part about it for doing deb style mirrors is that it updates in stages - first the content and afterwards the metadata | 23:29 |
| onefang | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt has the details. | 23:29 |
| onefang | I was thinking of writing script to do that myself. I'll check out ftpsync later. | 23:30 |
| HumanG33k | i think you should check ftpsync before. debian doc put several warning about making own script. Pretty sure there is some issue on simple script | 23:32 |
| HumanG33k | but you are free to achieve it :) | 23:32 |
| onefang | Can't be any issue on a script I haven't written yet. lol | 23:32 |
| HumanG33k | i see, i see bugs bugs everywhere | 23:33 |
| Helenah | onefang: Modern scrollbars are a pain and I don't understand why web browsers haven't come to realise that, they should be visible at all times, not disappearing, it's hard to go those back and always has been since scrollbars changed to hiding. | 23:38 |
| onefang | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt is our package mirror creation how to. | 23:38 |
| Helenah | web browser developers even | 23:38 |
| onefang | Mine don't vanish, so maybe I did something right long ago? | 23:39 |
| Helenah | onefang: Perhaps you did because since the change many many many many years ago, I've always had this problem on many different systems, most mine, some other peoples, on many distros, on Windows, the scrollbars auto-hide and they don't come back easily. | 23:40 |
| Helenah | Anyway, a bit offtopic for this channel, just wanted to express this. | 23:40 |
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