| Afdal | So I had that thing happen where X11 poops itself and sends me to my display manager again | 12:56 |
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| Afdal | Only this time I got to learn a few things | 12:56 |
| Afdal | I wonder if the common factor might be an OpenGL game I had open | 12:57 |
| Afdal | even though it was in the background | 12:57 |
| Afdal | This happened while I was simply in the middle of typing something in my IRC client | 12:58 |
| Afdal | This time, first my display froze up but I was able to jump to a tty | 12:58 |
| Afdal | ran htop and tried to figure out what programs were still running | 12:58 |
| Afdal | when I switched back to X11 session my display was a green and inverted color still image of something I had displayed previously, I think this usually means my monitor spitting out something that was left in the frame buffer but was never cleaned out | 12:59 |
| Afdal | Anyway I moved back and forth between tty and desktop a couple times and then I got the classic thing where everything just closes instantly and sends me to my login manager | 13:01 |
| Afdal | But in that short window I was able to observe which programs I had still running | 13:01 |
| Afdal | and curiously it seems like that OpenGL game was gone before any other processes | 13:01 |
| Afdal | So, could this be some kind of OpenGL/GLSL problem | 13:02 |
| Afdal | or maybe uh | 13:02 |
| Afdal | hmm | 13:02 |
| Afdal | Is this what happens when your GPU runs out of memory? | 13:02 |
| Afdal | A GPU memory leak... perhaps??? | 13:02 |
| Necrodiver | real quick question, I'm on ceres, and bug #1031231 (cron-daemon-common) comes up, but in the comment it says it rewrites something in systemD, but being on devuan there is none of that trash here, so is it okay to ignore that bug? | 13:04 |
| gnarface | yea it's probably safe to ignore in the sense that this bug won't affect your system directly | 13:24 |
| gnarface | but it's probably a good warning they're gonna break cron for us next | 13:24 |
| onefang | At least there's cron alternatives. | 13:24 |
| gnarface | (so in that sense you should probably pay attention to it, and keep me notified ) | 13:24 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:25 |
| Necrodiver | i was wondering what that whole initscripts thing was about too | 13:25 |
| Necrodiver | supposedly debian broke em or something | 13:25 |
| Necrodiver | the warning for that bug says this btw: tries to overwrite /etc/cron.yearly/.placeholder from systemd-cron | 13:26 |
| gnarface | basically a bunch of init scripts were marked "duh, who uses this crap?" and deleted | 13:26 |
| Necrodiver | oh jeez | 13:26 |
| gnarface | systemd-cron is on the banned package list, never fear: http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 13:27 |
| onefang | .placeholder isn't important, it's only there so the directory isn't empty. | 13:27 |
| Necrodiver | yeah i know, i just wanted to post the message for reference later | 13:27 |
| gnarface | my cron isn't even using cron.yearly | 13:27 |
| Necrodiver | in case someone brings it up or something | 13:28 |
| Afdal | <onefang> At least there's cron alternatives | 13:28 |
| Afdal | What are they? | 13:28 |
| Necrodiver | yeah i was kinda curious myself | 13:28 |
| Necrodiver | i may consider dropping cron if tdebian wants to play "break the distro" | 13:29 |
| Necrodiver | im already fully on board with ditchign xfce because of wayland | 13:29 |
| Afdal | I need Xfce :( | 13:30 |
| Necrodiver | i likew xfce | 13:30 |
| Necrodiver | but | 13:30 |
| gnarface | well they haven't done anything yet, so let's just wait and see | 13:30 |
| Necrodiver | they are already starting to implement wayland crap into it | 13:30 |
| Afdal | Oh? | 13:30 |
| Afdal | how does that work? | 13:30 |
| Afdal | Shouldn't you just maintain separate DEs | 13:30 |
| Afdal | one for X11 and one for Wayland | 13:31 |
| Necrodiver | they are replacing x11 with wayland | 13:31 |
| Necrodiver | for 4.20 | 13:31 |
| Afdal | uh | 13:31 |
| Afdal | I:> | 13:31 |
| Necrodiver | because "x11 is old and crusty" | 13:31 |
| Necrodiver | but wayland is a broken mess | 13:31 |
| Afdal | Well, ahem | 13:32 |
| Necrodiver | i like old and crusty, i use sysv lol | 13:32 |
| Afdal | it's not like Xfce has ever had or required constant updates... | 13:32 |
| Afdal | If it ain't broke... | 13:32 |
| Necrodiver | well what i did to my xfce | 13:32 |
| Necrodiver | downgraded to 4.12 | 13:32 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:32 |
| Afdal | I really don't agree with this clown logic that some peddle claiming that a project is "dead" because it doesn't get updates anymore | 13:33 |
| Necrodiver | and then blocked it from getting upgraded so i can have a much lighter weight thunar and stuff | 13:33 |
| Afdal | Something might not get updates anymore because it doesn't need them | 13:33 |
| onefang | bcron, incron, cron-deamon, anacron. Might be more, or might be less. | 13:33 |
| Necrodiver | like umatrix | 13:33 |
| Necrodiver | or tde | 13:33 |
| Necrodiver | tde is what kde plasma SHOULD be | 13:34 |
| Necrodiver | stable, just some occasional security updates | 13:34 |
| onefang | I'm old and very crusty. lol | 13:34 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:34 |
| Necrodiver | i honestly think the koffice suite for tde is WAAAAAAAY better than calligra | 13:34 |
| Necrodiver | ive been debating that if i do a clean install | 13:35 |
| Necrodiver | whether to redo refracta with refracta 11, or just install exegnu | 13:35 |
| Necrodiver | with a full install | 13:36 |
| Necrodiver | i did a base install for tde, and had to add a bunch of stuff later | 13:36 |
| Necrodiver | and i tried lxqt in preparation for losing xfce | 13:36 |
| Necrodiver | lightweight? yes. Customizable? Not really | 13:36 |
| Afdal | I still use LXDE | 13:37 |
| Necrodiver | isnt it no longer maintained? | 13:37 |
| Afdal | on my non-Xfce systems | 13:37 |
| onefang | So do I. | 13:37 |
| Afdal | Does it need some kind of maintenance? | 13:37 |
| Necrodiver | probably not lol | 13:37 |
| Necrodiver | is lxde jsut as customizable as xfce? | 13:38 |
| Afdal | No | 13:38 |
| onefang | Though lxde / lxqt are desktop environmants, not window managers. LXDE uses OpenBox as the window manager. XFCE is a window manager. | 13:38 |
| Afdal | That's why it's not a replacement for me | 13:38 |
| Afdal | I use them for different purposes | 13:38 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 13:38 |
| Necrodiver | i have openbox installed | 13:38 |
| Afdal | Openbox works really well for me on laptops because it has strong keyboard control features | 13:38 |
| onefang | Though I'm not sure I'm getting any actual benefit from the desktop manager. Could just run the window manager. | 13:39 |
| Afdal | But when I'm on a desktop with a proper mouse, I like a DE that can do useful stuff with the mouse, so I prefer Xfce | 13:39 |
| Necrodiver | i dont use a mouse, i have a trackpoint keyboard | 13:39 |
| Necrodiver | :) | 13:39 |
| Necrodiver | the newer one though | 13:39 |
| Afdal | A proper mouse, and a good GPU, I should say | 13:39 |
| Necrodiver | i want the older one | 13:39 |
| onefang | Ah you have a mouse nipple. | 13:39 |
| Necrodiver | i like fondling the nipple | 13:40 |
| Necrodiver | :) | 13:40 |
| Afdal | I have always someday dreamed of my ultimate window manager though | 13:40 |
| Afdal | combining the pipemenu system of Openbox with all the other nice features of Xfwm4 | 13:40 |
| Necrodiver | i have been playing with the idea of using TDE and openbox only | 13:41 |
| Necrodiver | tde for a full DE | 13:41 |
| Necrodiver | and openbox for WM | 13:41 |
| Necrodiver | im not going through all that trouble on the devuan page to do the nodbus install though | 13:41 |
| Necrodiver | i dont care about dbus that much for it to matter to me really | 13:41 |
| Necrodiver | i plan on making a more modern pc setup with a ryzen 5 3600 and rx550 gpu | 13:43 |
| Necrodiver | right now im on an i7-3770 with an r7 260x | 13:44 |
| Necrodiver | with a WM exclusively, that could be pretty crazy | 13:44 |
| Necrodiver | super lightweight and all | 13:44 |
| buZz | i dont even use a DE | 16:36 |
| buZz | icons make me feel like i'm on a MyFirstSony , lol | 16:36 |
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