| luis | Hello, I'm searching for a bit of help. I want Devuan to automount my two disks. I set it up, and one of them works perfectly, but no the other. The first only has a single partition. The second has a primary partition, a shitty partition windows made and a bit of unallocated space. First, I wanna know if anyone here has leadings on why windows creates the small partition (it might be related to gaming stuff), and then I wanna know if that's what is | 07:57 |
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| luis | preventing Devuan from autobooting the disk please. Thank you | 07:57 |
| luis | I haven't found why windows creates such partitions, though I suspect it happened when installing Forza | 07:57 |
| gnarface | luis: i think it's your system restoration data storage | 08:09 |
| gnarface | i can't imagine why it'd be preventing automount though | 08:09 |
| gnarface | wait, autoboot or automount? those are two very different hings | 08:10 |
| gnarface | things& | 08:10 |
| gnarface | * | 08:10 |
| luis | gnarface, why would that be in a non-system disk | 08:10 |
| luis | automount I guess? The disks are not bootable | 08:11 |
| gnarface | how are you setting auto-mount? by /etc/fstab? | 08:11 |
| gnarface | i don't know why it'd be on a non-system disk, it's been a really long time since i've used windows | 08:13 |
| gnarface | anyway, the only thing i can think of is maybe it's coincidence and something else is preventing the mount, like missing tools for the filesystem format or something like that | 08:14 |
| gnarface | but other possibilities might depend on how you've configured the auto-mount | 08:15 |
| gnarface | the one that works is linux formatted? | 08:15 |
| gnarface | it might help to have a relevant error message or something | 08:16 |
| luis | by the GUY | 08:16 |
| luis | GUI | 08:16 |
| luis | the one that works is NTFS as well, but only one partition that isn't windows reserved | 08:17 |
| gnarface | hmm, so it's also possible that gui tool is deciding not to mount it for some reason | 08:17 |
| gnarface | and it's possible i'm forgetting something obvious | 08:17 |
| luis | How can I get the error? I can see one when booting (too quick to see what's written correctly) but I don't see it in dmesg | 08:18 |
| gnarface | are they both MSDOS partition tables or is one GPT? | 08:18 |
| gnarface | check the disk labels too, maybe there's something weird based on the partition labels | 08:18 |
| gnarface | look in /var/log/ | 08:19 |
| luis | How do I i know MSDOS or GPT? Kinda unexperienced here | 08:19 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure where the program you're using would log, but it'd be there or in your home dir | 08:19 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 08:19 |
| luis | the labels are sda, sdb etc? | 08:19 |
| gnarface | no | 08:19 |
| gnarface | labels would be descriptive text strings you'd assing | 08:20 |
| gnarface | assign | 08:20 |
| luis | Sun Mar 5 07:25:43 2023: Mounting local filesystems...ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/Saloon: No such file or directory | 08:20 |
| luis | Sun Mar 5 07:25:43 2023: failed. | 08:20 |
| luis | It's in /var/log/boot | 08:20 |
| gnarface | ah | 08:20 |
| gnarface | well that looks fairly obvious, though there's no answer to why it's trying to do that | 08:20 |
| luis | what do you mean | 08:21 |
| gnarface | seems like you've got it configured to auto-mount to a directory that doesn't exist | 08:21 |
| gnarface | the mount point has to exist before you can mount, it won't create it for you | 08:21 |
| gnarface | make sure the directory /mnt/Saloon exists first | 08:22 |
| luis | I didn't create the dir for the other disk tho | 08:22 |
| luis | at least I don't remember | 08:22 |
| gnarface | where is it mounting? | 08:22 |
| luis | in /mnt/Academis | 08:23 |
| gnarface | no errors before that? maybe they're different ntfs versions? | 08:23 |
| gnarface | are you able to manually mount that drive? | 08:24 |
| luis | I don't see any error | 08:24 |
| luis | yes | 08:25 |
| gnarface | weird | 08:27 |
| gnarface | well, hang out, someone might have an idea | 08:27 |
| gnarface | and try to figure out what exact software you're actually using to do this | 08:27 |
| gnarface | i suspect that most likely it is something that depends on udisks2 | 08:28 |
| luis | what | 08:31 |
| luis | I think I'll just reformat the Saloon disk and check if windows tries to create another partition or not | 08:31 |
| brocashelm | is netctl impossible to use in devuan? it cannot be forked to depend on a different init? | 08:48 |
| luis | how do I change the user interface? | 10:15 |
| luis | running cinnamon rn | 10:15 |
| gnarface | luis: you should be able to just install a different one and make it the default with update-alternatives | 10:25 |
| luis | honestly, from a user view, they just seem to be the same | 10:34 |
| luis | which one is more customizable? | 10:34 |
| luis | nvm, stupid question | 10:37 |
| luis | let's get to another point. My Linux is in English, but my keyboard is french. The keyboard layout in the login screen is UK I believe, and then it switches to french. How do I have it switch at the login screen so i can type the password better? | 10:39 |
| luis | I tried some stuff a few days ago but it didn't work | 10:39 |
| youni | I finally solved my issue with wifi in Devuan for i9 12900. I just looked at names of modules it needed here http://paste.debian.net/1273013/ the names like iwlwifi-so-a0-gf-a0-71.ucode . Then I found on intel site https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/wireless.html an advice to use new kernel drivers from here | 16:15 |
| youni | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/ . So i just cloned them all with `git clone https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git` . And then I copied necessary files to /lib/firmware and updated initramfs. And also I blacklisted iwl-debug-yoyo with `options iwlwifi | 16:15 |
| youni | enable_ini=N` in /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf. So now I use wifi normally. | 16:15 |
| youni | I removed some packages `apt-get purge geoclue* xscreensaver sane* xsane* cups* avahi* hddtemp exim* mdadm pcscd speech* gnome-keyring` and when I do `apt update; apt upgrade` devuan offers me to install them again. How to prevent installation of packages I already deleted? | 16:18 |
| buZz | likely youni had some meta package installed for 'desktop' | 17:20 |
| Plasmoduck | Hi, my system time isn't sticking. It's alway 1 hour behind when I reboot. How do I fix this? | 17:59 |
| Plasmoduck | Yesterday I done sudo ntpdate au.pool.ntp.org | 18:00 |
| Plasmoduck | which fixed it, but it does not persister over reboots | 18:00 |
| bb|hcb | Plasmoduck: Depends on your settings, if bios clock is set to UTC, then hwclock -u --systohc | 18:00 |
| bb|hcb | If BIOS clock is localtime, then hwclock --systohc | 18:01 |
| Plasmoduck | bb|hcb: yes it is set to UTC. Thanks | 18:01 |
| bb|hcb | ...and getting ntp+ntpdate is a good idea anyways | 18:01 |
| Xenguy | Plasmoduck: chrony may be worth a look | 18:07 |
| youni | hello. i cannot configure wifi network via service networking with my usual config (while networkmanagers works). coud you advise something? my config and ifconfig a- are here https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=154167 | 19:06 |
| gnarface | youni: the use of network-manager and /etc/network/interfaces conflict. putting networking in /etc/network/interfaces won't function properly if network-manager is installed | 19:25 |
| gnarface | youni2: i can't be sure all those wpa-* fields you're using are completely ok, but one thing at a time | 19:48 |
| youni2 | Can someone help? I disabled network manager service, rebooted. And i can use networking for wired connection through eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces. But have no internet if configure wifi in /etc/network/interfaces | 20:11 |
| gnarface | youni2: i was under the impression that just disabling network-manager isn't enough, but i'm not sure | 20:13 |
| gnarface | i tend to avoid it | 20:13 |
| gnarface | nothing looks obviously wrong with your /etc/network/interfaces file except that it has a lot of wpa-* fields and i'm not sure they're all actually helping | 20:14 |
| rwp | If an interface is listed in /etc/network/interfaces then network-manager _should_ be avoiding touching it or doing anything with it. Good. | 20:14 |
| rwp | But if using /e/n/i file then use "ifup wlan0" and "ifdown wlan0" to bring it up and down. | 20:14 |
| gnarface | yea | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | n-m messes with /etc/resolv.conf. That's a possible issue. | 20:16 |
| rwp | Also I have always written the configuration using the method described for wpa_supplicant.conf as described here https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant | 20:16 |
| rwp | fsmithred yes, and then people think they are having a network problem when they are having a DNS resolution problem instead, which is completely different. | 20:16 |
| gnarface | i don't think youni has received any of our replies | 21:37 |
| youni2 | Help me to register to devuan galaxy forum. I answer to "what is release name coming after ascii?" Beowulf, but it says im spamer. I use vpn speedtest. Ip 176.67.84.13. How to register there? | 21:41 |
| youni2 | I tried much times from different vpn, answering fine, but always spamer | 21:44 |
| gnarface | golinux: ^ | 21:45 |
| gnarface | not sure who's in charge of the forums righ tnow | 21:45 |
| gnarface | right now* | 21:45 |
| Jjp137 | also: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=638 | 21:46 |
| Jjp137 | although a bit outdated (should be updated to remove "freenode") but the general gist is there | 21:46 |
| youni2 | Ok im in that db with email git@youni.world | 21:48 |
| gnarface | youni2: i dunno if you caught the replies earlier but someone suggested that your network might still be broken because network-manager has trampled your /etc/resolv.conf | 21:49 |
| youni2 | I installed resolvconf. And i added to /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/base my strings: | 21:51 |
| youni2 | nameserver 1.1.1.1 | 21:52 |
| youni2 | But i 'ping 192.168.1.1' and i think it is not using resolvconf | 21:53 |
| gnarface | resolvconf is so you can put your nameservers into /etc/network/interfaces directly but your earlier paste did not show you using it, and i'm not sure network-manager wouldn't still get in its way | 21:53 |
| youni2 | I think wpa supplicant under the hood of netwrking service is using wrong device or driver (in key -D) | 21:53 |
| gnarface | afaik network-manager still depends on wpasupplicant so i'm not sure that's possible | 21:55 |
| youni2 | I have one pc without nm works fine. But this new pc with drivers copied from kernel git, have troubles with networkng and wpa | 21:56 |
| gnarface | ever heard of such an occurrence, rwp? | 21:56 |
| gnarface | youni2: rwp left you this link earlier: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant | 21:57 |
| gnarface | like i said, you shouldn't have to touch the wpasupplicant config, but there's an alternate approach that does involve making its config hold the network configuration instead | 21:58 |
| youni2 | Im sorry i didnt see wpa_supplicant.conf, and didnt know if i can use such file in devuan. Ok will split double wpa lines from /etc/network/interfaces to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf. should i leave those lies worth prefix wpa in interfaces? | 22:00 |
| gnarface | i dunno, someone else would have to answer that. i've never done it that way. | 22:01 |
| gnarface | i would have advised you to work out the issue with /etc/network/interfaces as i believe you've misdiagnosed the problem, but i'm not sitting in front of the same hardware so i don't know. | 22:02 |
| youni2 | Nm always slowed boot process and also could stop rebooting and halting. This is why i dislike it. But on devuan i still hadn't troubles, but my own script with networking service works faster | 22:03 |
| gnarface | i don't blame you, i don't use network-manager either. the approach of just using /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf directly has always worked for me. | 22:04 |
| gnarface | and the configuration method i use, it doesn't seem like you've actually completely tested | 22:05 |
| gnarface | in fact it seems like you gave up on it moments before it was about to work | 22:06 |
| youni2 | I also don't use dhcp for speed. Wpa supplicant cannot work with static ip, and need to use/etc/network/interfaces | 22:06 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure that's actually true, but it's immaterial to my point | 22:06 |
| gnarface | you should be able to put your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf directly then run "ifup wlan0" and it should work | 22:06 |
| youni2 | I got rest "Destination Host unreachable". Its better than "Network is unreachable" | 22:07 |
| youni2 | Ok i will remove resolvconf package and will edit resolv.conf | 22:08 |
| youni2 | I also didnt find wpa logs. I got errors in ifup wlan0 but didn't get details | 22:09 |
| gnarface | by default wpasupplicant logs to /var/log/daemon.log but you might need to increase logging verbosity in wpa_supplicant.conf to see anything useful | 22:11 |
| gnarface | try only specifying ssid and password in your /etc/network/interfaces | 22:11 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't have to set the other fields unless something is wrong with your router or drivers | 22:12 |
| gnarface | which, again... might be true, but we haven't actually seen any evidence to suggest that yet | 22:12 |
| gnarface | all evidence points to a configuration error | 22:12 |
| gnarface | the logs might help | 22:13 |
| rwp | I agree with gnarface that things were partially tested and not resolution for any of the possibilities. So... No idea yet on the real problem. | 23:22 |
| rwp | Best to keep things simple. And then debug small parts of things at a time. | 23:22 |
| rwp | wpa_supplicant handles the "WiFi Association" part of things. Not the IP Address part of things. Not the default route part. Not the DNS nameserver part. | 23:23 |
| rwp | It's okay to set that up as a static IP but it is definitely less typical to be done so on WiFi. Since most WiFi will use DHCP using dhclient (or other dhcp client) to set up the IP address, default route, and DNS nameserver. | 23:23 |
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