| systemdlete | It looks like ventoy gets updated more frequently and releases more often. The last update for ventoy was about 4 days ago. | 00:01 |
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| systemdlete | Also ventoy seems to support more image types. | 00:25 |
| brocashelm | ventoy is awesome | 04:58 |
| brocashelm | it should be available on popular distros | 05:00 |
| brocashelm | it just works (TM) | 05:00 |
| systemdlete | brocashelm: Do you believe that ventoy is trustworthy enough? Consider the fact that it seems it is provided by a Chinese person or organization, and that might mean they have ties to state-sponsored hackers. This concern was expressed on various forums; it is not necessarily my own view. | 06:12 |
| * rrq finds it perfectly fine; well written and well maintained; doing nothing else than selecting and "invoking" selected installer iso. | 06:45 | |
| rrq | the selection enu is programmed in the grub.cfg scripting, with a special iso image chain loader that is atuned to a huge range of different iso boot layouts. | 06:47 |
| rrq | enu=menu | 06:47 |
| rustyaxe | is there a branch/fork/whtaever of devuan without the rest of the freedesktop.org garbage? It's great being free from systemdos, but yet again one of their turds has ruined my week... accountsservice package has been crippling my machine with 100% CPU usage and it's not the first time ive had 100% cpu usage just pop up over the years.. almost always winds up some freedesktop.org junkware causing it too.. | 16:34 |
| rustyaxe | See also pulseaudio... or this accountsservice junk | 16:34 |
| gnarface | you can just uninstall them | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | rustyaxe, I have a nodbus build that I made as proof-of-concept. No polkit either. | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | and yeah, that too. (uninstall) | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | Here's a relevant discussion: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 | 16:37 |
| rustyaxe | gnarface: i'd rather ensure that garbage never, ever gets installed. its repeatedly causes of problems :( | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | A little bit of creative pinning can fix that. | 16:38 |
| rustyaxe | only notice because my laptop literally gets hot enough to cause physical pain when freedesktop.org trash goes its usual way | 16:38 |
| rustyaxe | fsmithred: Ideally i'd like to be able to make a single file, or a few tiles i can put on every single devuan machine when i install them | 16:39 |
| rustyaxe | :\ im happy for devuan as its given a chance to stay using linux a bit longer, but the situation is getting just abominable. | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | Are all your devuan installs going to be more or less the same, or are they all different? | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | One approach would be to start with a minimal install and then run a script in the installed system that did whatever changes you need. | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | install software, put config files in place, etc. | 16:42 |
| rustyaxe | Pretty much , anywhere i'd use linux its either openwrt or devuan goes there | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | or if they're all the same, do an install the way you want and make a bootable, installable live-iso from that system. | 16:42 |
| rustyaxe | but quite varied. Just trying to figure out my best way to get it across everytinh | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | the discussion I linked has some lists of software that works without dbus. | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | and if you want to play with a live image, this one is chimaera without dbus or *kits: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta_11_nodbus-20220726_1432.iso | 16:44 |
| rustyaxe | im looking it over ther, kinda debating where i want to go from here.. just kinda sucks watching something you've enjoyed using for 25 years get destroyed, ya know? | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | I do. | 16:45 |
| brocashelm | rustyaxe: i've tried to go purely dbus-free and ended up with a system strictly from 1995 | 16:50 |
| brocashelm | best i could do was use openbox (wm) + hpanel/fspanel/matchbox-panel (taskbar) + dillo (browser) + mutt (e-mail client) + xfe (file manager/text editor/image viewer) | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | is that with no dbus libs, too? | 16:51 |
| brocashelm | correct | 16:51 |
| brocashelm | no dbus, wayland, avahi, polkit, apparmor, elogind, etc. "libs" | 16:52 |
| brocashelm | here are some pages on devuan.org regarding a dbus-free install: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/devuan-without-dbus.html https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/dbus-free-software.html | 16:52 |
| onefang | I'm using half of that already. Though mc for file mangler. | 16:52 |
| brocashelm | unfortunately, things like (e)logind and dbus are hard dependencies on a conventional gnu/linux system | 16:53 |
| brocashelm | because of libavahi and libwayland, i could not install even something like mpv just for watching videos (literally no video player was installable with my specific package blacklists) | 16:53 |
| brocashelm | let me find the screenshot | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | my build did not exclude all the libraries, so almost everything I'd want to use is still there. | 16:53 |
| brocashelm | https://0x0.st/Hiu6.png | 16:55 |
| brocashelm | an alternate taskbar that you could install would be tkdesk, but you'd have to hard configure it to replace outdated stuff like netscape and "mozilla" command to launch firefox | 16:55 |
| brocashelm | for desktop icons, idesk seemed to be the best i could work with | 16:56 |
| brocashelm | udevil/devmon in place of udisks2 | 16:56 |
| brocashelm | i could not install 99.8% of the games in debian/devuan repos | 16:58 |
| brocashelm | maybe some shoot-'em-ups and some crappy 3d racing game (supertuxkart is a great game, but "needs" lib packages for some of the freedesktop infections) | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | ace-of-penguins? | 17:01 |
| celsius | gnarface: Finally after a lot of research, I found the error to the problem that grub at boot did not show the entry of an old kernel and win7 .... | 17:42 |
| spac3r | Hi, i'm preparing an install of chimaera. In gparted does the first fat32 partion of 500 mb with boot and esp flags get a name? I keep gettnig the bootable device has not been detected message after an installation from a booted desktop-live | 22:50 |
| spac3r | pc is Intel NUC 6i5 | 22:51 |
| spac3r | When i start Install Devuan refracta says there is no EFi partition | 22:54 |
| spac3r | In bios settngs in the Boot order menu UEFI and Legacy Boot are enabled | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | If you are using GPT (vs DOS) partition table, you might need a boot bios partition. | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | if it's complaining that there's no efi partition, then you booted in uefi mode, not legacy. See if /sys/firmware/efi exists to prove it. | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | spac3r, ^^^ | 23:12 |
| spac3r | After a new install Boot agent CL opens: Reboot and select proper boot device | 23:22 |
| spac3r | Is there a step-by-step setup available, there are so many settings before the installation of chimaera | 23:24 |
| spac3r | fsmithred i booted chimaera from usb stick on the internal ssd, sys folder is empty | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | you used a live iso, right? | 23:32 |
| spac3r | correction, /sys/firmware/efi contains folders efivars runtime-map and files config_table fw_platform_size fw_vendor runtime | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | yeah, so you booted uefi | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | there are no other installed systems on this computer? | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | and how big is the ssd? | 23:32 |
| spac3r | no other systems, clean install on a 256 Gb ssd | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | ok, so you don't have to use gpt partition table, but you can if you want. i.e. if you need more than four primary partitions. | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | or if you want to stick with uefi. | 23:35 |
| spac3r | live iso from usb boots, chimaera from ssd gives all kinds of errors at boot | 23:35 |
| spac3r | just basic chimaera would be great | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/live-gui | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | you installed to the ssd from the usb? | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | from the booted live system, you could mount the fat32 partition and look to make sure it has a bootloader | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | EFI/devuan (and maybe EFI/debian too) | 23:40 |
| spac3r | yes, from usb and before dvd | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | I don't understand why the installer complained about efi partition if you have a fat32 with boot and efi flags. | 23:43 |
| spac3r | i will check again | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | maybe paste the output of 'fdisk -l' at paste.debian.net | 23:44 |
| fsmithred | oh, if/when the installer shows you the efi partition, you have to select/highlight it before you OK it. | 23:46 |
| spac3r | fdisk - l command not found | 23:48 |
| spac3r | *fdisk -l command not found | 23:48 |
| spac3r | booting chimaera from live-usb i open Install Devuan on the desktop: EFI partition found at /dev/vnme**** | 23:51 |
| spac3r | "Do not format a pre-existing EFI partition!" | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah, and during the install you will be asked to choose the efi partition. | 23:52 |
| spac3r | Should i press Continue? | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | are you going to reinstall the system? | 23:52 |
| spac3r | yes | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | installer will format your chosen partitions. | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | ok | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | it won't format the efi partition. | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | so proceed | 23:53 |
| spac3r_ | ok | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | not sure if you missed anything I said | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | go ahead and reinstall. It will format the system partition but not the efi partition. | 23:55 |
| spac3r_ | next menu 'Run partitioner now?' | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | not if you already have the partitions you want | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | you can skip it | 23:55 |
| spac3r | ssd has 3 partitions, 1) 500 mb fat32 boot,esp flags 2) 8 gb ext4 swap flag 3) 230 gb ext4 with a key icon (in the partition column in gparted) | 23:59 |
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