| brocashelm | is lxde the last gtk2-only DE? i have a plan to replace xfce with it and openbox, and all qt5 programs will be reskinned to gtk2 standards with qt5ct | 00:35 |
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| n4dir | buZz: You set me on the right track. After installing a couple of further libs streamtuner finally started. | 01:04 |
| buZz | w0000t | 01:05 |
| buZz | congrats | 01:05 |
| n4dir | now finding them sure was not much fun. for gdk you get results for gtk, and so on | 01:05 |
| n4dir | well: thanks. I would have given up. | 01:05 |
| buZz | brocashelm: why even run a DE at all :D | 01:05 |
| buZz | n4dir: yw :) | 01:05 |
| buZz | i was happy to try it for you anyway | 01:06 |
| n4dir | :-) | 01:06 |
| onefang | I'm planning on switching off lxde and just using openbox. | 01:06 |
| n4dir | i guess it ain't much worth investigatin any further why those libs are not installed as part of the dependencies of streamtuner2 | 01:07 |
| n4dir | as it ain't the most used app out there. And those who use it don't seem to have such problems. Weird | 01:07 |
| buZz | there's someone on #zipit that maintains a streamtuner fork for it | 01:14 |
| buZz | but its ncurses only | 01:14 |
| buZz | i've been using only fluxbox since about 1999 | 01:14 |
| n4dir | probably would be just as good to play a bit of sound now and then | 01:15 |
| buZz | -love- not wasting more than 40MB for -drawing window borders- | 01:15 |
| n4dir | there was tunapie, which did that too | 01:15 |
| * n4dir happy fluxbox user too, wasting some time with Enlightenment these days | 01:15 | |
| brocashelm | buzz: i might keep lxpanel though | 01:34 |
| buZz | icons make me feel like my OS things i'm a child | 01:35 |
| buZz | thinks* | 01:35 |
| onefang | I'll be keeping lxpanel as well. | 01:35 |
| brocashelm | feh for the wallpaper | 01:36 |
| brocashelm | spacefm --desktop can be used to replace the desktop side | 01:36 |
| onefang | No wallpaper, well just a single black pixel expanded to fill the screens. My own conky theme on top. | 01:37 |
| onefang | Oh wait no, I use "xsetroot -solid black" | 01:38 |
| n4dir | desktop icons. yeah. weird stuff | 01:39 |
| brocashelm | i don't mind desktop icons tbh | 01:43 |
| brocashelm | and i set my panel on the bottom | 01:43 |
| brocashelm | i don't want a macos-like ui =) | 01:43 |
| n4dir | i don't really mind them either, but as apps are always open, i don't see them anyway. | 01:45 |
| n4dir | i miss the systray, but else have no need for a panel either. | 01:45 |
| onefang | I tend to use windows maximised to fill the screen, with no title bars. The panel is configured to pop up when I need to start some app. | 01:46 |
| buZz | i try to never use mouse behind desktop | 01:48 |
| buZz | so just alt-f2 and type programname to start it | 01:49 |
| n4dir | like that | 01:50 |
| n4dir | windows-key and r in my case though, as in "run" | 01:51 |
| n4dir | some window manager had that as default, so i sticked to it. Alt+F2 was more common, but after using said WM i got used to win+r. Might have been openbox? | 01:52 |
| brocashelm | i just like a traditional desktop experience with as little/no bloat if possible | 02:03 |
| brocashelm | otherwise, maybe i could still use xfce 4.12 on chimaera/daedalus? | 02:03 |
| brocashelm | i've downgraded before and it ran fine, but i worry that it could frankenstein things | 02:03 |
| brocashelm | i would have to ideally cull all gtk3 shit to make it work somehow | 02:04 |
| brocashelm | i'll have to stay on python3, so no wicd (and network-manager wants gtk3/4; connman/cmst would be my best bet) | 02:04 |
| brocashelm | it will be a sad day when beowulf gets archived | 02:06 |
| AzumaHazuki | gtk2 is dead, as much as i wish it weren't | 02:16 |
| AzumaHazuki | this is why i've been porting over so many themes from the gtk2 era to lxqt | 02:16 |
| brocashelm | at least qt5ct lets me make my qt-style programs look/feel more gtk2-esque | 02:19 |
| brocashelm | all gtk3 did was make isos heavier | 02:19 |
| sfox | does anybody have network device topology vector clipart for making technical maps in inkscape? | 02:25 |
| AzumaHazuki | gtk2 and its themes are disappearing. i've been thinking about how the hell to make a generic Murrine look that can pick up palettes, like i already did for Mint-X and Arc | 02:28 |
| onefang | sfox: Dia might be helpful. | 02:29 |
| sfox | Dia | 02:39 |
| sfox | onefang, dia? | 02:39 |
| sfox | what is that | 02:40 |
| plasma41 | sfox: It's a program https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Dia | 02:47 |
| sfox | i don't want to use anything relient upon gtk3 | 02:49 |
| rustyaxe | lol | 02:50 |
| plasma41 | sfox: You could pull from its supply of network device clipart even if you don't want to use the program itself. https://sources.debian.org/src/dia/0.97.3%2Bgit20220525-5/shapes/Cisco/ | 02:52 |
| sfox | oh | 02:53 |
| sfox | thankyou | 02:53 |
| brocashelm | sfox: try maybe kde's calligra office suite IIRC | 02:53 |
| brocashelm | i think it was karbon | 02:53 |
| brocashelm | tde/trinity desktop has koffice baked in if you go that route | 02:54 |
| plasma41 | sfox: you should be able to install just the dia-common package to get all the clipart | 02:54 |
| plasma41 | sfox: With dia-common installed, you can browse the collection at /usr/share/dia/shapes/ | 02:56 |
| sfox | i've been using libreoffice VCL: X11 since they removed gtk2 support | 02:57 |
| onefang | Sorry, I'm part way through lunch. What the others said, it has the art, you could probably use the art and not the app. | 03:10 |
| * onefang goes back to eating. | 03:10 | |
| browser | hello what is the difference between the desktop iso and pool1 iso? (does pool1 include the desktops?) i have installed the desktop iso many times) | 16:05 |
| gnarface | browser: i think the pool1 iso is just extra packages that aren't on the desktop iso, specifically intended for offline installs | 16:07 |
| gnarface | like, if you can't get a network connection to the installation site you can bring a pool1 iso and use that as a repository in your sources.list instead | 16:07 |
| gnarface | it's not everything, it's just a bunch of the most popular stuff | 16:08 |
| browser | thanks | 16:08 |
| gnarface | np | 16:08 |
| u-amarsh04 | reported to Debian that qt5core5a 5.15.8+dfsg-4 (and the other qt5 packages) broke the alt-F2 hot key for krunner | 17:18 |
| u-amarsh04 | Debian bug 1034169 for qt5core5a 5.15.8+dfsg-4 | 17:26 |
| brrm | Is deb.devuan.org down? | 18:03 |
| D-HUND | seems to work here | 18:06 |
| D-HUND | Hit http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera InRelease | 18:07 |
| miojo | this is alive? | 21:32 |
| golinux | Please define "this" | 21:34 |
| miojo | i'm sorry, i didn't mean to be rude. I want to know if devuan is still making new releases or are only in maintenance mode | 21:42 |
| golinux | You weren't rude. :) | 21:43 |
| golinux | There are testing isos for Daedalus | 21:43 |
| golinux | Not quite sure about the link . . . | 21:45 |
| golinux | Give me a sec . . . | 21:45 |
| miojo | Nice! | 21:46 |
| miojo | There's so many images here -> https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/ | 21:46 |
| miojo | Maybe -> https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20230327_amd64_netinstall.iso ? | 21:46 |
| brocashelm | i am using daedalus/ceres and having no problems. haven't had any for years | 21:51 |
| brocashelm | just download whichever one is closest to you (mirrors) | 21:51 |
| brocashelm | netinstall is the more minimal way to install devuan | 21:51 |
| golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/ | 21:51 |
| brocashelm | you can choose which components to include/exclude | 21:52 |
| miojo | brocashelm: good to know | 21:52 |
| miojo | golinux: thank you! | 21:52 |
| brocashelm | already on kernel 6.1 | 21:52 |
| miojo | that'a nice | 21:53 |
| miojo | that's :) | 21:53 |
| golinux | You link would probably work too | 21:53 |
| brocashelm | runit support is also improved | 21:54 |
| brocashelm | just keep in mind that debian decided to add non-free-firmware to the software repos starting with bookworm, so if you see that on daedalus, that's needed for the firmware stuff (where it got moved to from non-free) | 21:55 |
| miojo | golinux: 55% downloading | 21:55 |
| brocashelm | and xfce 4.18 is running smoothly | 21:55 |
| miojo | brocashelm: no problem. I have a minimal setup here. Just fluxbox + xterm + tmux | 21:56 |
| brocashelm | ok cool :) | 21:56 |
| n4dir | bloat i say ! | 21:56 |
| miojo | ahah | 21:56 |
| brocashelm | then you should be pretty close to the freshest software | 21:56 |
| brocashelm | i am cheating right now with ceres repo until the freeze is over | 21:57 |
| miojo | what's the python version it comes? | 21:57 |
| brocashelm | 3.11 iirc | 21:57 |
| miojo | wow | 21:57 |
| miojo | now we're talking ;) | 21:57 |
| miojo | rebooting to install | 22:00 |
| miojo | bbl | 22:00 |
| miojo | thanks guys! | 22:00 |
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