| dev1user | is there a security mirror for daedalus yet? | 01:22 |
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| dev1user | ah nvm, I was able to answer my own question :D | 01:23 |
| Xenguy | dev1user: What answer did you find? | 02:05 |
| dev1user | only that it's not available in pkgmaster.devuan.org | 02:06 |
| Xenguy | I checked this page, but there's no mention of it, other than its omission: devuan.org/os/packages | 02:07 |
| dev1user | so I guess it means waiting for those by the "slow" path, when debian moves them from bookworm-security into bookworm | 02:07 |
| Xenguy | I don't know the internals but it seems that we follow Debian in these respects | 02:08 |
| dev1user | yeah, I guess it's just a case of waiting for bookworm-security to be available as daedalus-security | 02:09 |
| dev1user | for now it's fine | 02:09 |
| Xenguy | Hopefully someone in this channel knows more, and can comment eventually | 02:09 |
| dev1user | Just installed daedalus, feels pretty smooth | 02:16 |
| Xenguy | Glad to hear it, I'm still running Beowulf, hah | 02:18 |
| Xenguy | Actually when my other laptop broke, I turned to this one, and found it was still running ASCII | 02:18 |
| Xenguy | So did the upgrade to Beowulf, and that went mostly as planned | 02:19 |
| dev1user | debian seems to be messing around with firmware, and no nvidia legacy drivers | 02:19 |
| dev1user | also there's this weird thing called seatd, I assume that's courtesy of being screwed over yet again by the good folks at "fdo" | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | I've heard so many bad things about nvidia that I just try to avoid it entirely | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | I'm not familiar with seatd; there's no sign of it in Beowulf AFAICT | 02:21 |
| dev1user | yeah that's what I mean, it's unfamiliar to me based on previous releases | 02:22 |
| rustyaxe | dev1user: good old freedesktop -- destroying the linux desktop since... a long time ago :O | 02:22 |
| dev1user | everything needs a d of some kind for these people, it's getting pretty lame.. | 02:22 |
| dev1user | maybe just needs enough people to start asking for feature removals | 02:23 |
| Xenguy | It's too bad, I think that FDO got infected by GNOME, or something | 02:24 |
| rustyaxe | I just want things to work and be simple, like when i came from freebsd to linux 20 years ago. | 02:24 |
| dev1user | rustyaxe: hah yeah.. dbus, hal.. they love ruining it for users | 02:24 |
| rustyaxe | Did i have to configure stuff once? Yes. Was it hard? Sometimes. Did it just work from then on out wiithout worries and hell? YES. | 02:24 |
| rustyaxe | I didnt mind wrangling up getting something to work the first go round, say new hardware, as i knew generally it would work in the end | 02:25 |
| rustyaxe | Now? Hell breathe on it funny and some *d starts eating 100% CPU | 02:25 |
| rustyaxe | Latest was ... accounts-daemon i think? | 02:25 |
| dev1user | ah don't get me started haha.. even alsa replacing oss was a fiasco.. pretty much can't set it up right unless you're an alsa developer I guess | 02:25 |
| rustyaxe | had to apt purge it to get my machine right | 02:26 |
| rustyaxe | Yea then alsa gets softmixing and just works right... and pulseaudio comes along and adds a ton of latency and bugs | 02:26 |
| rustyaxe | Its like "hey this works, lets fuck it up" | 02:26 |
| onefang | You have wandered into #devuan-offtopic. | 02:26 |
| dev1user | hm what has debian done with nvidia legacy drivers, e.g nvidia 470 or 390 packages | 02:30 |
| dev1user | I know people are excited about the new 'open' drivers but ahm.. I see no drivers for kepler | 02:31 |
| dev1user | brb | 02:50 |
| golinux | A classic read that says it all from over 10 years ago! https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ | 03:07 |
| golinux | Apologies to onefang for that . . . | 03:08 |
| Xenguy | Nothing OT about pertinent history IMO | 03:11 |
| dev1user | Well maybe it is a little.. apulse works when pulse is forced but no solution for alsa to be user configurable afaik | 03:23 |
| golinux | I have never had a problem using just alsa | 03:31 |
| Xenguy | I've never had an issue with pulseaudio, but people complain about it like crazy | 03:42 |
| dev1user | alsa isn't an issue in general, it can be painful when you have more than one output and you want to use a specific one, however. | 03:43 |
| rustyaxe | dev1user: so far im liking pipewire. I can setup 2 separate audio paths for my user (headset) audio and another for the USB sound card in my transceiver :) | 04:03 |
| dev1user | sounds familiar for some reason, I'll give it a try | 04:05 |
| brocashelm | golinux: me neither! | 04:06 |
| golinux | brocashelm: I did need .asoundrc to sort the board and processor audio options though. | 17:44 |
| joerg | golinux: >>10 years ago...<< yep. good one | 21:17 |
| brocashelm | golinux: turns out i don't have that, but /etc/asound.conf with settings to enable the equalizer functionality for alsa | 21:32 |
| brocashelm | i have apulse installed "just in case" | 21:33 |
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