| tom-1 | Hello | 11:20 |
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| tom-1 | ping | 11:20 |
| gnarface | best to ask your question and hang around patiently, tom-1 | 11:20 |
| gnarface | it is a slow channel but people read their scrollback logs | 11:21 |
| tom-1 | Hello . I would appreciate any advice or help. | 11:25 |
| tom-1 | Please tell me at what stage when installing distro I can not install dbus? | 11:25 |
| tom-1 | Is such a scenario possible ? | 11:25 |
| * tom-1 uploaded an image: (13KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/chat.dotmavriq.life/lRPkUOFDjBdVkAFLpUJLnwey/problem.png > | 11:26 | |
| gnarface | i'm pretty sure if you uncheck all the boxes at the tasksel phase it won't install dbus, but i could be wrong | 11:28 |
| gnarface | the problem is most the graphical environments require dbus with the current builds | 11:29 |
| gnarface | if you really want to have a gui without it, i think fsmithred had a experimental dbus-less image with a graphical stack of some sort | 11:29 |
| gnarface | i think in many cases when it's installed by default though, you can often get away with uninstalling it and not much will break | 11:30 |
| gnarface | tom-1: ^ | 11:30 |
| gnarface | hang around, others might have more suggestions | 11:31 |
| gnarface | (uninstalling or disabling) | 11:35 |
| gnarface | though personally, i don't see a lot of behavior issues with dbus | 11:35 |
| gnarface | the real offenders for me are usually avahi-daemon, network-manager, and pulseaudio, and though they're often installed by default too they're much easier to get rid of | 11:36 |
| tom-1 | gnarface: Thank you very much for your answer and clarification. I often encounter an error with dbus (screenshot above) | 11:41 |
| tom-1 | I would like to not use Dbus. I'll wait maybe someone has already removed Dbus from the installed system. I would not want to break the working system)) I know Hyperbola does not use Dbus and it is possible to install Lumina | 11:41 |
| gnarface | yea, i think it just requires a few rebuilt packages to get rid of it | 11:43 |
| clemens3 | i chmod 644 /usr/bin/dbus-launch, but i am not on devuan.. | 11:51 |
| clemens3 | getting rid of dbus is what brought me to linux from scratch.. but somehow inbetween i forget about that.. | 11:52 |
| FatPhil | dbus always seemed like a vaguely-competent solution to a wide range of problems, but it started to get used for lots of things where it wasn't the solution. Eventually everyone used it for everything, even when it was making things worse. | 12:51 |
| FatPhil | It managed to turn o(n) problems into O(n) ones, with an additional overhead that was O(m^2) | 12:53 |
| Bill_P | I am trying to figure out how to auto-login to Devuan Mate. There's no login manager entry in the menus. | 13:25 |
| Bill_P | This is for a dedicated system that should boot up, login the only non-root user and run the application. | 13:27 |
| Bill_P | Anyine have any suggestions? | 13:28 |
| Bill_P | sorry about my spelling - dyslexic fingers... | 13:32 |
| gnarface | there's a way to do it, i forget the trick | 13:35 |
| gnarface | you might need to switch the login prompt software | 13:36 |
| gnarface | then add a config line manually | 13:36 |
| gnarface | or something like that | 13:36 |
| Bill_P | Found it: install lightdm-autologin-greeter, edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/lightdm-autologin-greeter.conf to specify your id and reboot | 14:01 |
| Bill_P | All I need now is to persuade the BIOS to boot as soon as power is applied, but that's off-topic... | 14:02 |
| FatPhil | I've got a large portable drive that I use to do my regular backups of stuff from multiple different machines, which I'll plug into multiple different machines (all mine, all on my private networks). Are there any issues with just using a single ssh key for every possible host/remote combination? | 14:29 |
| FatPhil | so effectively the key means "has authority to connect to rsync to do backups" | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | tom-1, no-dbus discussion: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 and nodbus live isos to play with: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/?2022 | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | openbox, lxpanel and spacefm make a usable desktop. | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | no display manager, but some will work (xdm, wdm, lxdm) | 15:02 |
| Guest8610 | Hello. It seems that a Devuan stable relase is getting closer to the Debian stable releases. In the past I used Devuan stable and it was a modified Debian oldstable. But Chimaera is nearly onthe same level (Debian 11.1 <-> Debian 11.6). So it seems, that the time between a new debian stable realease and a new Devuan stable release, is getting | 15:03 |
| Guest8610 | shorter. Is there already a rough realease date for the next stable release of Devuan? I guess debian 12 will probably come about this autumn. | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, that should work fine. I use the same key on multiple machines. | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | Guest8610, daedalus will probably be released a few months after bookworm. I think chimaera was six months. Beowulf was about a year behind and jessie was two years behind. | 15:05 |
| FatPhil | fsmithred: I think that's what I'll use. I already made a minor boo-boo in that I confused "the key that lets me mount things over sshfs" and "the key that lets me rsync" | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | those could be the same key | 15:06 |
| Guest8610 | fsmithred So it is true, the time is getting shorter! That is just awesome! You guys do a great work! | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | thanks. We try to keep up. | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, I do ssh, sftp sshfs and vnc over ssh all with the same key on some local machines. | 15:07 |
| FatPhil | but are they letting a root user in? I'd rather hem those in to the smallest possible range of actions. | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | no root access here, but I do have root access set up for rsync backups on real production boxes that are on the same local net. | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | passwordless key, the backup script is kept in /root | 15:09 |
| FatPhil | yup, that's the setup I'm putting together | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | you can also limit access with hosts.allow and hosts.deny | 15:10 |
| FatPhil | Did it a decade ago, and the scripts were all on the backup disk. Then it crashed... | 15:10 |
| Guest8610 | Has this project moved: https://git.devuan.org/66-devuan ? | 15:28 |
| gnarface | Guest8610: it's still at git.devuan.org | 15:35 |
| gnarface | a while ago they did migrate off gitlab though | 15:35 |
| gnarface | your old links might be stale now | 15:35 |
| Guest8610 | gnarface ok. do you have a link for me? | 15:36 |
| gnarface | Guest8610: they own the whole domain, just go to https://git.devuan.org/ and use the nav | 15:37 |
| Guest8610 | https://git.devuan.org/explore/repos?tab=&sort=recentupdate&q=66-devuan | 15:39 |
| Guest8610 | That gives me no results... | 15:39 |
| gnarface | it's probably not called "66-devaun" anymore, the whole repo is devuan you know | 15:40 |
| Guest8610 | gnarface ok | 15:40 |
| gnarface | sorry i don't know the structure in detail, fsmithred might know where the thing you're looking for is, but i'd just click on "explore" if i were you and browse the list | 15:41 |
| Guest8610 | yeah i do this already :) | 15:42 |
| Guest8610 | hm.. can't find it. | 15:48 |
| Guest8610 | i checked all 21 pages | 15:48 |
| rrq | Guest8610: 66 might be here nowadays https://web.obarun.org/software/66/latest/ | 15:51 |
| Guest8610 | rrq :) | 15:55 |
| Guest8610 | bye | 16:05 |
| onefang | What is 66? lol | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | front-end for init system | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | s6 | 16:09 |
| rwp | I'll wait for 333 as it is only half evil. | 16:59 |
| onefang | lol | 17:02 |
| bb|hcb | rwp: But 66 is 2/3 only? | 19:17 |
| brocashelm | s6 implementation would be cool. there is someone from artix who maintains that who wouldn't mind helping out with any questions | 19:20 |
| tom-1 | fsmithred: gnarface Hello. It turns out that the official site is! Thanks to whoever wrote this https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/devuan-without-dbus.html | 23:42 |
| tom-1 | Devuan without D-Bus | 23:43 |
| FatPhil | = evan-bs ? | 23:58 |
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