| brocashelm | oh, i noticed daedalus additional repos are now working | 04:30 |
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| brocashelm | except i had to remove non-free-firmware from daedalus-security | 04:30 |
| brocashelm | https://dpaste.org/Mkhyj | 04:30 |
| brocashelm | ^ is this correct? | 04:30 |
| hacksenwerk | Because I couldn't solve that cosmetic issue about the decryption prompt before boot, is displayed on a line that is already in use, I installed plymouth again. Also I have something running right after boot and before login. At the bottom of /etc/init.d/rc.local I added this: reset && echo "some text" && echo "some more text". That is shown after boot and before login and that's exactly what I want, | 10:43 |
| hacksenwerk | but between the output of that above and the login prompt I have also this error from plymouth: startpar: service(s) returned failure: plymouth ... failed! I don't care about the error itself, because plymouth does what it should do, but I don't want to have that line showing up on the tty after my custom commands. | 10:43 |
| hacksenwerk | It looks like this: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/14284fc8 | 10:49 |
| rrq | hacksenwerk: did you check for "insmod progress" in your grub config, and remove it | 11:21 |
| rrq | that's the cause of those pre-decryption messages | 11:21 |
| hacksenwerk | rrq: I don't have that string in /etc/default/grub | 11:25 |
| rrq | maybe in /etc/grub.d ? | 11:28 |
| hacksenwerk | rrq: That string is multiple times in multiple files in /etc/grub.d | 11:32 |
| rrq | you could start by commenting out, update and test.. but that module is responsible for that output | 11:34 |
| hacksenwerk | rrq: I don't know what all these entries do, so no I wont. | 11:35 |
| hacksenwerk | It would be enough to make plymouth quiet somehow, why does it put that message on my tty why _after_ my commands from rc.local anyway? | 11:36 |
| hacksenwerk | I installed plymouth to avoid some cosmetic error and got another one... | 11:37 |
| hacksenwerk | *issue not error | 11:37 |
| rrq | I thought was your problem was getting noise before entering the decryption key? maybe you are past that one? | 11:38 |
| hacksenwerk | rrq: Yes it _is_ the main problem. | 11:39 |
| hacksenwerk | And I installed plymouth to avoid seeing it. | 11:39 |
| rrq | that noise is what the "progress" module makes; that is its purpose | 11:39 |
| hacksenwerk | rrq: ok. | 11:40 |
| hacksenwerk | But I don't understand that. .( | 11:40 |
| hacksenwerk | rrq: But thank you for trying to help me. :) | 12:04 |
| hacksenwerk | I will just ignore that cosmetic issue till Daedalus becomes stable, maybe it will be fixed till then. | 12:05 |
| polemni | hello, how do you enable automounting of usb or remote shares? I installed udisks2 but don't see an option to start the service with rc-service or something. I can still mount ssh shares as user with sshfs. | 13:24 |
| buZz | never heard of udisks2 , but i have heard of autofs and afuse | 13:26 |
| buZz | 'pcmanfm' seems to 'auto' mount external drives to me, i didnt set anything up for that | 13:27 |
| brocashelm | easiest way to do this is to install udevil and run the command devmon as a background process (handles automatic mounting of drives) | 13:28 |
| brocashelm | spacefm integrates auto-mounting well | 13:28 |
| buZz | without udevil? | 13:35 |
| Kitty_ | When does the next version of Devuan come out? | 13:48 |
| Kitty_ | and what's it called? | 13:48 |
| buZz | https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 13:50 |
| buZz | daedalus, its called | 13:50 |
| buZz | it'll be released shortly after the corresponding debian release | 13:50 |
| gnarface | there's auto mount options for fstab too | 14:00 |
| gnarface | well, they're all auto by default in there unless you set "noauto" on them, but a particularly useful related option is "nofail" | 14:02 |
| gnarface | very useful for removable media | 14:03 |
| hacksenwerk | What is the graphic driver for the Raspberry Pi 400? It has a Broadcom Dual Core VideoCore. | 14:35 |
| hacksenwerk | I installed the daedalus image for the pi 4 on that pi 400 and the xserver core, evilwm, rxvt-unicode. But I can not get the rxvt over ssh -X devuan@devuanpi rxvt-unicode I get: X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0 and urxvt: can't open display :0, aborting. | 14:42 |
| hacksenwerk | Sure that xserver must get started with some startx but that command is not available. | 14:42 |
| hacksenwerk | I also installed xserver-xorg-video-all | 14:43 |
| hacksenwerk | And reboot | 14:43 |
| hacksenwerk | Do I have to install slim or lightdm and enable autologin after boot? | 14:43 |
| hacksenwerk | Ah I forgt that there's #devuan-arm | 14:45 |
| DevWanda | Hello all, need some help trying to fix my system. It's an old HP Elitebook 8570w that I installed Devuan on years ago. A few days ago I followed an online article (https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/12/how-to-install-latest-firefox-non-esr.html) on how to install the "latest" version of Firefox since my bank's website was complaining that the | 17:14 |
| DevWanda | version 102.X of FF was outdate/too old and I could not log into said website. I think it was the "pinning" part of that article that messed up things for me. Long story short, I've lost any network connectivity, not just wireless but even ethernet as well, on that laptop. | 17:14 |
| DevWanda | Also, X does not start automatically, which is not a big deal as it forces me to learn/remember how to do some things manually. | 17:14 |
| DevWanda | I did notice that when I launch X, via startx, manually when I am logged in as my regular user, as opposed to root, that the UI would just freeze up completely. No mouse/trackpad responsiveness. When I click on anything, the keyboard does light up as indicating responsiveness but the UI on the screen does not reflect any movement at all. Eventually | 17:18 |
| DevWanda | the screensaver kicks in but I am not able to wake up the laptop as the trackpad and keyboard do not register at all so I have to do a hard reboot. | 17:18 |
| DevWanda | Per the article above, IIRC, after I enabled the unstable repo, I did do a `apt update` and `apt upgrade` and that probably messed up my system. | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | yup | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | it's possible to turn back by pinning the stable repo at 1001. I don't recall if you need to pin unstable at -1 | 17:21 |
| DevWanda | I also remember a brief message somewhere, maybe during the upgrade part...about wicd or something being removed or not compatible but maybe I am imagining that after all the reading I've been doing online. | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | For future reference, the easy way to use newest firefox is to just unpack it into your home and run it directly. | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | the system won't know about it, but you will. | 17:22 |
| DevWanda | Good to know, thanks fsmithred! | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, wicd is gone in chimaera, so I guess that means you did this in beowulf. | 17:22 |
| DevWanda | The worst part after all is that even after getting the latest version of FF...I STILL was not able to log into the bank b/c my acct. was "dormant"! | 17:23 |
| fsmithred | so I guess you have to talk to a human at your bank in addition to fixing the computer | 17:23 |
| DevWanda | Yes, I upgraded from ASCII, to Bewoulf, to Chimaera...but after I got to Chimaera, wireless was still working. | 17:23 |
| DevWanda | Correct, still need to resolve the bank issue. | 17:24 |
| DevWanda | But that's another matter :) | 17:24 |
| fsmithred | oh right, if you had the wicd metapackage, it wouldn't have been removed | 17:24 |
| DevWanda | so if I revert the pinning part (I'd never knew about pinning) that will help? but I still won't have any network connectivity right? | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | if you're using a wire, then run 'dhclient eth0' as root | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | not just revert the pinning, you have to force a downgrade | 17:29 |
| fsmithred | put the following in a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | call it what you want (sugg: goback) | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | Package: * | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | Pin: release n=chimaera | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | PinPriority: 1001 | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | then 'apt update' and 'apt upgrade' and maybe 'apt dist-upgrade' too | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/602495/buster-to-bullseye-upgrade-followed-by-a-downgrade-back-to-buster | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | you can replace wicd with network-manager-gnome or connman | 17:33 |
| djph | I miss wicd | 17:41 |
| DevWanda | Thank you fsmithred, I'll give that a go. | 17:48 |
| DevWanda | fsmithred, but if I don't have any network connectivity at the moment...I can't really do anything involving apt right? I am not necessarily looking for THE answer, just some ideas or hints. Even if it's all commandline on how to restablishing network connectivity. | 18:20 |
| fatal | i'm trying to install netinstall '[...]preview-20230522_amd64' via serial console but i get no option to continue the installation through a ssh connection. also i'm missing the option 'bios_boot' to prepare the installation for a gpt partition table in the partitioner. | 18:20 |
| fatal | i edited the boot parameters for expert install maybe i'm missing something. | 18:23 |
| fatal | the parameters i used are "/boot/isolinux/linux priority=low modules=loop,squashfs,sd-mod,usb-storage nomodeset console=ttyS0,115200 nomodeset initrd=/boot/isolinux/initrd.gz" | 18:26 |
| fatal | don't ask me why i used nomodeset twice this time | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | DevWanda, how you get online will depend on whether you are using wired or wireless connection. | 18:57 |
| fatal | so for bios_boot area you need to create a new gpt partition table first even if you have one already on your install medium. got remote install working now with option 'Load installer components from installation media' don't know if this also holds up for the netinstaller since i'm using the server installer instead. | 19:25 |
| rrq | fatal: note that preview-20230522 was not good; please use preview_20230522 instead... (that might also be a collector's item being the last preview before the relese) | 22:49 |
| fsmithred | that should be "use preview 20230529 instead" ^^^ | 22:51 |
| rrq | no the last preview installer got refreshed manually the day after the bot build; just the installer isos and not the pool iso's | 22:54 |
| rrq | I think it was that partman-crypto needed libgcc-s1 installed but lacks the "depends" for it so | 23:03 |
| fatal | i used the preview 2023 06 01 server iso | 23:04 |
| rrq | .. and still have issue? | 23:06 |
| fatal | no issues, just that i wasn't sure if there is the `continue ssh` install for net-installer so i used the server one. the other thing was that i could not define a bios_boot partition without creating GPT first... even tho i had already that partion table on a drive. | 23:10 |
| n4dir | what is the server installer? | 23:12 |
| rrq | the installer isos have the same software; the differ in the on-iso package pool and in disk identity, which causes the different procedures and flow of dialogs | 23:12 |
| fatal | idk it's like 700MB and there is also cd 2,3,4 with different desktops. and offline installation only. | 23:13 |
| n4dir | found the explanation: "server (~670 MB): CD1 of a 4 CD set that allows for a complete off-line server/minimal installation. The remaining CDs offer several desktop choices and a limited selection of additional software." | 23:13 |
| rrq | nope all isos do network install if you want | 23:13 |
| n4dir | never heard that word/Term | 23:13 |
| fatal | anyway i was looking for the 'Load installer components from installation media' which i thought comes first with the expert instalation | 23:14 |
| fatal | rrq: i meant you can do a offline only installation with that media | 23:15 |
| rrq | keyboard and accessability choices are before that | 23:15 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: is it intentional not to use non-free-firmware for daedalus-security? that's the only section apt complained about (i added the other miscellaneous repos with it) | 23:16 |
| rrq | yes the netowkr installer does install a bootable "base system" also without network | 23:16 |
| fatal | no keyboard as i said before i started with serial and then proceeded to ssh installation | 23:17 |
| fatal | that's beyond the point of my inital question, rrq. | 23:17 |
| rrq | sorry I may have missed the question | 23:18 |
| fatal | i already finished the install but is there 'Load installer components from installation media' for netinst? | 23:20 |
| fatal | or is it just expert install related? | 23:20 |
| rrq | yes there is; it's an essential step where the installer fluffs up itself | 23:21 |
| rrq | same installer on all isos | 23:21 |
| fatal | ok | 23:21 |
| rrq | it's a separate step because it depends on the target host h/w | 23:22 |
| fatal | also what i missed was the option to include/exclude non-free packages | 23:22 |
| rrq | I think that dialog comes with setting up the sources | 23:23 |
| rrq | it uses "debconf" which means that the various steps are controlled by "udeb" packages that are installed.. it's not a monolithic piece of software but one where the behaviour decisions get distributed across a wide range of developer | 23:25 |
| rrq | s | 23:25 |
| rrq | basically like the OS itself; you build your OS be picking the packages you want to have, and then configure those to your liking | 23:27 |
| fatal | oh i should have set with the boot parameters of the expert install 'priority=high'? that's weird because default seems to be set to low. | 23:30 |
| fatal | because on the debian wiki it says "the default being high" | 23:31 |
| fatal | didn't see that with net- or server-inst | 23:32 |
| rrq | using "low" brings up more dialogs | 23:32 |
| rrq | you may focus the boot screen an the "expert mode" display and start editing the parameters there | 23:33 |
| rrq | (saves typing) | 23:33 |
| fatal | i did, just over serial console without being able to paste commands. i left priority level. | 23:35 |
| rrq | mmm there is a network console option too.. | 23:37 |
| rrq | where the kernel uses a network console.. that's not ssh though | 23:37 |
| fatal | a network console before configuring the network? i highly doubt that. | 23:38 |
| rrq | google it mate | 23:40 |
| fatal | google what? | 23:40 |
| rrq | kernel network console ... of course it only works for h/w that it has built-in software for | 23:42 |
| fatal | i don't understand, do you mean ipmi or something like that? | 23:42 |
| rrq | I trialled it some few years ago so don't have the details on my fingertips | 23:42 |
| rrq | was a netconsole module I believe | 23:43 |
| rrq | no "netconsole" boot parameter .. possible with a netdev parameter to pick adapter module | 23:45 |
| rrq | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt | 23:45 |
| rrq | possibly limited to wired network | 23:47 |
| fatal | the hardware i installed devuan on is designed with a serial connection option so i would not even need that functionality | 23:47 |
| fatal | but i see what you mean | 23:48 |
| rrq | fair enough; yes, serial console is also available | 23:48 |
| fatal | it depends on the hardware i guess | 23:49 |
| rrq | ... hmm the installer seems to have has lost the sshd option (!?) | 23:55 |
| rrq | (so that would have been included previously via a now missing dependency) | 23:59 |
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