| u-amarsh04 | was bitten by this libnss3 problem: | 06:06 |
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| u-amarsh04 | nss/lib/freebl/Makefile: Disable vale curve25519 code. It doesn't support | 06:06 |
| u-amarsh04 | CPUs older than Broadwell or Ryzen. bz#1839975. Closes: #1038889. | 06:06 |
| u-amarsh04 | which messed up my firefox profile | 06:06 |
| FatPhil | this makes no sense. code in hlls should be architecture neutral, that's what hlls are for, and what the compiler's job is. | 10:50 |
| latex | Anyone know how to create a headless devuan installation image for ARM? | 14:23 |
| gnarface | yes | 14:35 |
| gnarface | in theory anyway | 14:35 |
| gnarface | it depends on the board you have | 14:36 |
| gnarface | we have a #devuan-arm channel, by the way | 14:36 |
| gnarface | latex: ^ | 14:36 |
| gnarface | there are some images up at arm-files.devuan.org already | 14:40 |
| ted-ious | Will daedalus be supported for the same time as bookworm? | 14:46 |
| gnarface | ted-ious: at least | 14:47 |
| ted-ious | So it should be around for at least 3 years? | 14:50 |
| gnarface | devuan follows debian's release cycle, so there's no reason they'd keep it for less | 14:51 |
| gnarface | but i'm pretty sure you can still even install jessie | 14:52 |
| gnarface | so it's not like they'll delete the old versions from the server or anything | 14:52 |
| gnarface | not any time soon anyway | 14:52 |
| ted-ious | Right but I'm thinking about getting security updates or critical bugfixes. | 14:52 |
| gnarface | sure | 14:53 |
| gnarface | well those for the most part come from debian directly | 14:53 |
| gnarface | so when debian stops making them devuan stops getting them | 14:53 |
| ted-ious | Right. | 14:53 |
| gnarface | but debian even occasionally releases critical security updates for previous releases | 14:54 |
| ted-ious | I haven't been following long enough to know if devuan does anything past debian's efforts for that. | 14:54 |
| gnarface | no, most the patches are just to maintain expected behavior | 14:54 |
| ted-ious | Maybe ceres would be worth running to see what it's like. | 14:55 |
| gnarface | probably bad timing on that right now | 14:56 |
| ted-ious | Oh why is that? | 14:56 |
| gnarface | since it's tracking debian's unstable, and debian's testing just went stable, there's about to be a flurry of instability on it | 14:57 |
| gnarface | a couple weeks ago before they officially released though, testing and unstable were both fairly similar and both fairly stable | 14:57 |
| ted-ious | Oh so all the changes that were put on hold are about to hit sid and ceres? | 14:57 |
| gnarface | yea | 14:58 |
| ted-ious | I see. | 14:58 |
| gnarface | if they haven't already | 14:58 |
| gnarface | i would give it a few months for the smoke to clear | 14:58 |
| ted-ious | That sounds like something that's a problem every time debian does a freeze then correct? | 14:58 |
| gnarface | yea | 14:58 |
| gnarface | this is their typical cycle | 14:58 |
| gnarface | but daedalus seems like it's in very good condition. it's a very good time to test daedalus | 14:59 |
| ted-ious | So if I was going to run anything on a ceres system I should basically stop doing updates for a few weeks unless there's a specific security patch that's needed. | 14:59 |
| gnarface | well, or just make sure to keep backups | 14:59 |
| gnarface | you always want something to roll back to in case it goes sideways | 15:00 |
| gnarface | that's good advice in general, but for sid and ceres especially | 15:00 |
| ted-ious | I think I will start using daedalus and test things but I'm also curious about ceres as a rolling release that won't need a full upgrade every year or two. | 15:00 |
| ted-ious | I like the idea of gentoo or void being a system that you can just keep running as long as you take a bit of care. | 15:01 |
| gnarface | well, if you play games then inevitably there will be a good excuse to test it again in a few years as daedalus starts getting older and commercial games start leaving it behind | 15:02 |
| gnarface | when that happens you can upgrade to ceres and see all the broken stuff gentoo and ubuntu users live with | 15:02 |
| gnarface | then in a few years after that, if you time it to coincide with the freeze, you can switch back to whatever the new testing is with minimal fuss | 15:04 |
| ted-ious | Neat. :) | 15:04 |
| gnarface | ...hold that one till it becomes stable, then eventually oldstable, then the cycle repeats | 15:05 |
| ted-ious | I'm more thinking about having a rolling release that I don't need to pay that kind of attention to. | 15:05 |
| ted-ious | Since I tend to keep as many things out of my systems as possible so there's less to manage. | 15:05 |
| gnarface | eh, sometimes unstable just breaks because they break it | 15:06 |
| gnarface | and sometimes it's bad | 15:06 |
| gnarface | keep backups | 15:06 |
| gnarface | the worst part is when they break something but delete the old version from the server immediately so you can't roll back to it | 15:07 |
| gnarface | then you'll wish you kept backups | 15:08 |
| gnarface | because sometimes you'll have to wait for a fix for a while | 15:08 |
| gnarface | well, if you don't use nvidia hardware then delays for critical fixes will probably be significantly reduced on average | 15:09 |
| gnarface | but you can still be waiting a few weeks for something broken to get fixed | 15:09 |
| ted-ious | Debian is a bit slow isn't it. | 15:09 |
| gnarface | unlike with testing and stable, there's no specific requirement for them to put something working in there | 15:09 |
| euouae | Hello | 20:41 |
| euouae | To use devuan based on bookworm, do I use Devuan Daedalus? | 20:42 |
| ted-ious | Exactly. | 20:42 |
| ted-ious | And hi euouae how are you! :) | 20:42 |
| euouae | Oh hey ted-ious ! | 20:42 |
| euouae | I'm good, I'm on vacation but I stole a bit of time to try out debian | 20:43 |
| euouae | moving away from fedora | 20:43 |
| ted-ious | Welcome to the better side. :) | 20:45 |
| nemo | euouae: due to the recent Redhat lockdown? | 20:45 |
| ted-ious | nemo: It seems like the recent redhat stuff is about centos not fedora. | 20:46 |
| ___used | RHEL not CentOS? | 20:46 |
| euouae | nemo: no, due to too many packages not working as I'd like | 20:48 |
| nemo | ted-ious: some people seem to have gone all out "screw redhat, we don't trust you anymore" at least from the comments on HN - so was thinking there might be a debian influx | 20:49 |
| euouae | e.g. rr, I've got problems with my smartcard & gpg-agent... I don't like systemd | 20:49 |
| euouae | It's not about whatever redhat is doing now, I'm not familiar | 20:49 |
| ted-ious | Centos is now going to be the upstream beta for rhel and it won't get full source availability to keep alma and rocky from copying everything very easily. | 20:49 |
| ted-ious | nemo: I'm sure there will and it's great. :) | 20:50 |
| ted-ious | And not just debian. | 20:50 |
| nemo | mhm | 20:50 |
| nemo | euouae: I'm using my smartcard fine on devuan | 20:51 |
| euouae | great | 20:51 |
| nemo | euouae: although thanks to annoyingness of vmware view, there's a touch of manual symlinking for that thing | 20:51 |
| golinux | nemo: Thanks for getting this chatter back on topic | 20:51 |
| euouae | thanks for the help! | 20:56 |
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