| juma[m] | Anyone tried: | 05:34 |
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| juma[m] | https://hyprland.org/ | 05:34 |
| juma[m] | ? | 05:34 |
| brocashelm | you might get your answer in #devuan-offtopic | 05:41 |
| memseeker | I am interested why, apart from alternate init systems, you use Devuan instead of Debian. | 15:48 |
| memseeker | Debian itself is more up to date in terms of the packages used, which is not necessarily an advantage. Looking forward to answers with personal points of view. | 15:48 |
| gnarface | memseeker: direct your questions to #devuan-offtopic, this channel is for tech support. | 15:49 |
| gnarface | and the thing about Debian being more up-to-date is basically a lie, by the way. | 15:50 |
| gnarface | we're behind them by like half an hour. | 15:50 |
| me74497142 | Hi, I was wondering if someone could possibly help me out on an issue I'm having with a fresh install of daedalys | 22:45 |
| me74497142 | *daedalus | 22:45 |
| me7743912 | I think I got disconnected. I had a question I was hoping someone could help me with | 23:00 |
| grayrock | me7743912: just describe the issue in as much detail as possible, and wait for someone to come along who can help. | 23:01 |
| me7743912 | I'll just go ahead and post it and maybe someone can help | 23:01 |
| me7743912 | So I have a fresh install of daedalus x86_64 netinstall. I'm using gnome, and I've tried both sysV and open-RC. The problem is that some programs won't open, for example firefox-esr or libreoffice-writer, both of which come installed. The gnome base programs themselves seem to work just fine, but if I try to open firefox or libreoffice writer, the tab pops up like it wants to open but after a | 23:04 |
| fluffywolf | if you run firefox (or firefox-esr) from a xterm/whatever terminal emulator you use, do you get any interesting messages? | 23:05 |
| me7743912 | *After a few seconds the tab closes. The program won't open with the command line either. I tried sysVinit first, then open-RC, but it's the same problem with both | 23:05 |
| me7743912 | If I run "firefox-esr" from the terminal, it just hangs on the process but never opens and I have to control+C to return the cursor to the terminal | 23:06 |
| fluffywolf | hrmm. is it opening on another workspace or other gnome brain damage? | 23:07 |
| me7743912 | What's strange is that base gnome apps work just fine | 23:08 |
| nusio | hi is anybody in this chanel | 23:08 |
| Wonka | no | 23:09 |
| me7743912 | They won't open on other workspaces | 23:09 |
| nusio | is debian 12 gonna be on devuan? | 23:09 |
| me7743912 | The install went perfectly fine | 23:10 |
| nusio | im wondering if debian 12 will be on devuan soon? | 23:11 |
| fluffywolf | anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, etc? do simpler X apps work? | 23:11 |
| me7743912 | I tried it with the xorg session and can't even log in to the gnome desktop when I select it. Let me see if there's anything interesting with dmesg | 23:12 |
| me7743912 | dmesg outputs over 100 lines. I honestly don't even know what to look for. I'm sorry | 23:19 |
| rwp | me7743912, It sounds like you have some type of hardware problem with your system. Check /var/log/syslog for errors. | 23:22 |
| me7743912 | ok | 23:22 |
| rwp | Firefox is pretty far removed from openrc or sysvinit and so the choice of init won't affect it in Devuan. | 23:22 |
| rwp | That it hangs and then crashes on you is concerning. Unfortunately firefox (and chromium and the others) produce huge amounts of useless noise output such that when there are real problems it is difficult to tell what those are from the routine noise they produce. | 23:23 |
| me7743912 | It's not just firefox, it's also any libreoffice program. Every base gnome app opens and works perfectly fine though. It just seems to be nonnative gnome apps. And technically they don't crash, they just won't even ooen | 23:26 |
| me7743912 | Any idea what I should be looking for in syslog? | 23:28 |
| rwp | It's hard for me not to say look for errors. But I know that a practiced eye is used to seeing all of the notifications there and will ignore those and look for unusual things. But when someone looks for the first time it is all unusual. Sorry. | 23:29 |
| grayrock | me7743912: how much ram do you have? | 23:29 |
| fluffywolf | I'd still start with /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and also be suspicious of a video hardware driver issue, especially if using nvidia crap. | 23:30 |
| rwp | In /var/log/Xorg.0.log look for any lines containing "EE" which are error lines. (I can at least say what to look for there!) | 23:30 |
| me7743912 | 16GB of RAM. It's an almost brand new Beelink U59 running Intel. | 23:31 |
| rwp | grayrock may be thinking that you are short on RAM and the system is either unable to get things going or very quickly after getting going the kernel runs out of memory and the out-of-memory killer then kills the process. | 23:31 |
| rwp | 16GB of RAM is more than I am running right now. You should be okay. | 23:31 |
| me7743912 | I'm trying to make sure I have all the firmware, drivers, microcode installed | 23:32 |
| rwp | In /var/log/boot or in "dmesg" output look for anything wanting to load firmware that isn't loading firmware. | 23:33 |
| rwp | However unlikely that missing firmware for anything other than graphics would be affecting firefox. | 23:33 |
| fluffywolf | have you tried my suggestion of running simpler X programs, like xterm, glxgears, etc? | 23:35 |
| rwp | xeyes is always a fun X test program. And xclock. | 23:38 |
| me7743912 | I just installed xterm. Installed just fine but same problem, won't run | 23:38 |
| fluffywolf | xterm is dead simple, so that eliminates things like gl... | 23:40 |
| me7743912 | What happens is the tab will pop up like it wants to open and the spinny thing next to it pops up and spins, but then a few seconds later the tab disappears and nothing happens | 23:40 |
| rwp | If xterm will not run then something is definitely wrong. | 23:40 |
| fluffywolf | I'm inclined to think gnome is broken, just because gnome is crap. lol | 23:40 |
| rwp | I hate to suggest this but frequently people will arrive here in the channel and have some catastrophic problem like this. We then hear, oh nevermind, I just reinstalled and everything is fine now. Which I hate to suggest but that is often what happens. | 23:41 |
| me7743912 | I've tried the gnome xorg session as well bc I think it defaults to gnome, but on the xorg session I can't even log in | 23:41 |
| me7743912 | Sorry, defaults to wayland | 23:41 |
| rwp | If you do that pick Xfce next time instead of GNOME Flashback for the most well test Desktop Environment on the planet. | 23:41 |
| me7743912 | Lol a reinstall can fix almost anything | 23:42 |
| rwp | What defaults to Wayland? | 23:42 |
| fluffywolf | you're using wayland, not xorg? then you might have wanted to mention /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't exist? lol | 23:42 |
| me7743912 | This is my 4th install, two with sysV and two with open-RC | 23:42 |
| rwp | How did you install Wayland? | 23:43 |
| me7743912 | Yeah, I was about to mention that. Trying step by step to work through everything. Sorr | 23:43 |
| fluffywolf | ok, first step, reinstall without installing anything in any way relating to wayland. | 23:44 |
| me7743912 | I just installed gnome with taskell on the base install, but I thought gnome now uses wayland by default | 23:44 |
| me7743912 | I'm not installing anything extra. From the Devuan installer in tasksell, I'm just selecting Devuan desktop and gnome. I'm not manually installing anything else | 23:45 |
| me7743912 | I really do appreciate all the time and help. Very sorry for the trouble | 23:46 |
| rwp | AFAICS the value of Wayland is that it gives people tired of everything Just Working in released Stable something to complain is not yet working for them in Unstable. | 23:47 |
| rwp | "Don't have something to complain about but want to? Try Wayland!" :-) | 23:47 |
| me7743912 | Lol yeah it still needs a lot of work | 23:48 |
| rwp | I am reading some wisdom on the net about GNOME Flashback and it appears to be similar to the previous Mate fork but with more bugs. | 23:49 |
| fluffywolf | wayland will never work, by design. | 23:50 |
| rwp | In other words... Mate would probably give you a better GNOME 2 experience than GNOME Flashback but would probably be better tested. However the best tested one is XFCE. | 23:50 |
| me7743912 | Okay, let me try a fresh install with xfce | 23:51 |
| rwp | me7743912, Reference https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/install-devuan | 23:51 |
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