| systemdlete | CEP: Check it where? All VMs are set to use USB 2.0 in their configurations. Or do you mean on the host? Forgive me if I sound dense. | 00:38 |
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| systemdlete | (And thanks for the assist. This is drving me nutz!!!) | 00:38 |
| systemdlete | now this is interesting! modprobe usbmon and--viola!--there it is! | 00:47 |
| systemdlete | ????? | 00:47 |
| systemdlete | Inverse Heisenberg phenomenon? | 00:47 |
| CEP | --'All VMs are set to use USB 2.0 in their configurations. '-- three options: | 00:52 |
| CEP | 1- change the options, and start the machine again, try, if it doesn't work, turn it off and start it again. So with all the options. | 00:52 |
| CEP | 2- create a new VM with the disk that gives you problems. (possibly damaged configuration file) | 00:52 |
| CEP | 3- uninstall and reinstall the 'guest additions'. Or update the plugins package | 00:52 |
| CEP | 4- check if the problem is not a missing library in the guest system | 00:52 |
| systemdlete | 4 seems the most likely actually. | 00:52 |
| systemdlete | I've tested this across other VMs on the same host. | 00:53 |
| systemdlete | But I might be on to something here with this debugfs and usbmon, CEP | 00:53 |
| CEP | good. well I miss seeing the services... | 00:54 |
| systemdlete | ? | 00:54 |
| systemdlete | drat. | 00:55 |
| systemdlete | I can't seem to reproduce whatever the heck I did before... | 00:55 |
| CEP | I forgot to say, 5- 'check if the services are up' | 00:57 |
| systemdlete | which services, and do you mean guest, host, both? | 00:58 |
| systemdlete | and what "plugins" package are you referring to? | 00:58 |
| systemdlete | CEP, I've re-installed the GAs several times over. | 00:59 |
| CEP | and what "plugins" package are you referring to?----> anfitrion: virtualbox extension pack | 01:01 |
| CEP | anfitrion=host | 01:01 |
| systemdlete | CEP: vbox won't support USB 2.0 without the extensions. They are indeed installed. | 01:01 |
| CEP | i am argentine, google-translations | 01:01 |
| systemdlete | nw | 01:02 |
| CEP | vbox won't support USB 2.0 without the extensions. They are indeed installed.--> actualizadas? | 01:03 |
| CEP | updated extensions? | 01:03 |
| systemdlete | sorry. "indeed"=actually | 01:03 |
| systemdlete | they are the most recent extensions for 7.0.10 | 01:04 |
| CEP | which services, and do you mean guest, host, both? ----> en la guest | 01:05 |
| CEP | in guest | 01:05 |
| systemdlete | I only see 2 services in /etc/init.d for vbox: vboxadd and vboxadd-service. | 01:05 |
| systemdlete | both are running | 01:06 |
| CEP | A thousand apologies, in a hurry to answer, send in Spanish, please excuse me | 01:06 |
| CEP | in the guest operating system | 01:06 |
| systemdlete | but, to be fair... let me try rebuilding the GAs rather than relying on the new fancy automated way | 01:06 |
| systemdlete | CEP: not to worry, and thank you for helping | 01:07 |
| systemdlete | I'll have to shut down and return to do this, since I'll have to reboot. | 01:07 |
| CEP | and the services for usb? | 01:07 |
| systemdlete | "services for usb" ?? | 01:08 |
| CEP | some related service, some configuration, some package to install, USB. | 01:12 |
| CEP | I had to uninstall pulse-audio, uninstalling pipe in daedalus-guest | 01:12 |
| systemdlete | no pulse here | 01:13 |
| systemdlete | no pipe here either | 01:13 |
| systemdlete | no avahi | 01:14 |
| systemdlete | no cups | 01:14 |
| systemdlete | no saneutils | 01:14 |
| systemdlete | very basic stuff only | 01:14 |
| systemdlete | and this is a chimaera host and guest, although that doesn't seem relevant because I'm havin this with a beowulf system also | 01:15 |
| systemdlete | CEP: But you just gave me an idea... avahi. It is running on a VM where I DON'T have this problem... | 01:16 |
| debdog | no pulse here <-- patient prolly dead :/ | 01:16 |
| systemdlete | pulseaudio. And it is not installed here. | 01:17 |
| debdog | hehe, SCNR | 01:17 |
| CEP | NO NO NO, es el problema que yo tuve... | 01:22 |
| CEP | debdog, jajjajajajja | 01:22 |
| CEP | NO NO NO, that's the problem I had... | 01:24 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5910 | 01:48 |
| golinux | Whaddya think about that! | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | Thanks, Bruce! | 01:51 |
| debdog | Debian has been taken over by evil forces?! | 01:53 |
| buZz | hah, nice :) | 01:56 |
| critr | heh, it turns out if you purge pulseaudio, pipewire is automatically installed, and shound still just works. | 02:02 |
| critr | sound | 02:02 |
| systemdlete | golinux, it almost makes me think there is still some sane people on earth. | 02:06 |
| golinux | Indeed!! | 02:07 |
| * debdog 's postin' that EVERYWHERE | 02:07 | |
| systemdlete | So fuse is loaded on the VM where it is unable to enumerate USB thumb drives, and it is not loaded on a VM where it can. | 02:08 |
| golinux | Sorry for taking this channel OT a bit but that is important to get out there! Thanks debdog! Have at it!! | 02:08 |
| systemdlete | golinux, I think people here will allow it | 02:08 |
| systemdlete | :) | 02:08 |
| debdog | unfortunately, I just remebered I ain't registered ANYWHERE | 02:09 |
| golinux | I wish someone would post it to that dreadful Register review!! | 02:09 |
| golinux | Dang | 02:10 |
| systemdlete | but when I try to rmmod fuse, it tells me it is in use. But lsmod does not show anything using fuse | 02:11 |
| systemdlete | so... ? | 02:11 |
| systemdlete | this is leaving me... CON fused? | 02:13 |
| debdog | hehe | 02:27 |
| mason | "The Reg FOSS Desk has seen a lot of Linux installers. Even so, we're not used to being asked which C locales we wanted it to compile." ...so they've literally never once used the standard Debian installer, which does just that. | 03:48 |
| mason | Very strange. | 03:48 |
| buZz | Liam Proven? they at least claim on multiple places to have debian running | 03:56 |
| buZz | maybe they only used the gui installer ;) | 03:58 |
| fsmithred | gui installer asks the same questions but with slightly different colors | 04:00 |
| buZz | not sure then | 04:00 |
| fsmithred | mason, I read that and thought the same thing. | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | refractainstaller invokes 'dpkg-reconfigure locales, keyboard-configuration and tzdata exactly same pieces as debian-installer | 04:02 |
| brocashelm | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5909 | 04:13 |
| brocashelm | if anyone feels like posting on the forums, just tell the op you can accomplish this by installing the packages consolekit and dummy-logind (to keep network-manager, kde, etc.); only problem is with some polkit-related permissions, but there are workarounds (such as reviewing the config files in /usr/share/polkit-1 and using udevil's devmon daemon in the background for user-level mounting/unmounting) | 04:14 |
| brocashelm | it's possible, but like i said, some polkit stuff might get fucked up. use lxqt-sudo for graphical replacement of pkexec/gksu | 04:14 |
| brocashelm | and as an example for starting xfce from startx, append --with-ck-connect to the line on ~/.xinitrc | 04:15 |
| brocashelm | example: exec startxfce --with-ck-connect | 04:15 |
| brocashelm | that will allow for consolekit2 to take over | 04:15 |
| brocashelm | as well, install seatd | 04:15 |
| brocashelm | thanks in advance to anyone who replies | 04:15 |
| brocashelm | oops, meant startxfce4 | 04:17 |
| brocashelm | so it should be | 04:17 |
| brocashelm | exec startxfce4 --with-ck-launch | 04:17 |
| systemdlete | So I have been testing scenarios re: the USB enumeration failure and what I am finding, oddly, is that the MORE memory I give the VM, the LESS likely it becomes to do enumeration of a thumb drive. | 10:56 |
| systemdlete | That goes counter to everything my mama taught me growing up. | 10:56 |
| systemdlete | or whomever did. | 10:56 |
| systemdlete | anyway, does anyone have any idea or inspiration for further testing and maybe narrowing on the source of this problem? | 10:57 |
| systemdlete | And, yes, I am 100% sure of this much. I just spent an hour booting and rebooting the same VM with varying amounts of memory allocated to it. | 11:00 |
| GoatAvenger | systemdlete, trying to pass through USB to a VM? | 11:00 |
| systemdlete | virtualbox. So I am "attaching" the device, not really passing it through. | 11:00 |
| GoatAvenger | I don't see why allocated memory to the VM would make any difference.. | 11:01 |
| systemdlete | me either. But it does. | 11:01 |
| systemdlete | Especially since the outcome is exactly the opposite of what one would expect intuitively. | 11:01 |
| GoatAvenger | I think I've gotten as much to work on qemu at some point, no idea how I did it now. | 11:02 |
| systemdlete | You'd think that giving it MORE memory would LESS constrain whatever enumeration is doing. | 11:02 |
| systemdlete | Oh, when it works, it is fine. But it seems that if I give too much memory, enumeration will fail. | 11:02 |
| GoatAvenger | I see.. | 11:03 |
| systemdlete | Figuring out exactly what that amount is, is a mystery. | 11:03 |
| GoatAvenger | ryzen system? | 11:03 |
| systemdlete | AMD FX8350, 32GB Gigabyte mainboard. memtest86'd it yesterday and it passed | 11:03 |
| GoatAvenger | maybe something to do with uhmm, what's it called, (dual channel?) mem config? | 11:04 |
| systemdlete | Also, ran badblocks on the disk just to be sure it wasn't some problem with an errant library file (The host hard drives are RAID1) | 11:04 |
| systemdlete | Well, I have 4 sticks of 8G memory in the 4 memory slots. | 11:04 |
| critr | that's a great old cpu. i have an 8320 | 11:05 |
| systemdlete | They are identical. | 11:05 |
| GoatAvenger | right, but usually 2 dimm slots are one channela and the other two slots are a sperate channel | 11:05 |
| GoatAvenger | just stabbing in the dark, but I could see that (possibly) being a point of oddness for a VM | 11:05 |
| systemdlete | But if all 4 sticks are identical make/model, then there really can't be a mismatch, can there? | 11:05 |
| GoatAvenger | i'm not talknig about a mismatch, but the fact that two separate memory channels are opperating independetly | 11:06 |
| GoatAvenger | (might be) usualy those boards were like that | 11:06 |
| GoatAvenger | many still are | 11:06 |
| systemdlete | The memory controller should be handling all that. Besides, the host and numerous other VMs are working without problems. | 11:06 |
| GoatAvenger | just a guess.. | 11:06 |
| systemdlete | Sure. | 11:06 |
| systemdlete | Appreicate it, but I don't think that's it. | 11:06 |
| GoatAvenger | Possible the VM, if spread across two channels, perhaps the client system can't really enumerate past the primary channel | 11:07 |
| GoatAvenger | but, anywho, gl | 11:07 |
| systemdlete | thx | 11:07 |
| al1r4d | brocashelm: you dont need ck launcy | 11:40 |
| al1r4d | Launch | 11:40 |
| ggg | Hello, just to report that the latest Dev1 5.0 with 6.1.0-11 kernel + cinnamon version won't shut down on my thinkpad W540. It stays stuck on "EXT4-fs (/dev/sdx1) re-mounted" (x = a or b) and "kvm: exiting virtualization" messages, which seems to be an issue randomly happening since 2010. dmesg and /var/log/messages weren't of any help. It's an upgrade from 4.0, not a fresh install. | 15:03 |
| simon_adebisi | Hi, I have laptop with latest Devuan. I get black screen and can't switch tty if I log out of MATE with/without saving session. Using OpenRC, Nvidia 970M, MATE/LightDM. I can switch user/reboot/login/use laptop. Any suggestions? | 18:58 |
| gnarface | well if simon_adebisi comes back tell them they're probably missing the nvidia drivers from "non-free-firmware" | 19:18 |
| systemdlete | So here is what I know about my USB thumb drive not being recognized. Chimaera host and guest. Using vbox ehci (usb 2.0) emulation, the VM is unable to enumerate the device when I give the VM, say, something over 3GB RAM. For example, the drive is recognized and works perfectly if I give the VM 3072M. But if I go maybe 3100M or so, it fails to enumerate the device. | 23:50 |
| systemdlete | However, if I use the xhci emulation, there is no problem if the VM has 4GB RAM. Any ideas why this might be the case? I am also talking to #vbox about this. | 23:51 |
| systemdlete | IOW, I am not sure where the problem exists. It might be vbox, but it could also be something that gets triggered on the Linux side. | 23:52 |
| systemdlete | I'm not ready to point a finger at either side because this is a very weird problem. | 23:52 |
| systemdlete | Could it be, for instance, that something Devuan does to eliminate as much of systemd as possible is also somehow impacting (unintentionally of course!) the ehci driver, but not the xhci driver? | 23:54 |
| systemdlete | I really have no idea just how pervasive systemd might be in this regard. And this is NOT a knock on the good work being done here (or at virtualbox, which has served me quite well for about 10 years) | 23:55 |
| systemdlete | The workaround for now is for me to use XHCI emulation on VMs that misbehave this way. But it is not a solution and I'd kind of like to find out if the issue can be solved from this end. That's all. No agenda here either way, ok? | 23:57 |
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