| onefang | Is there any good software for editing a PDF? I don't think it's a form type, at least I haven't found any software that lets me just start typing text into what should be the form parts. | 01:35 |
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| brocashelm | doesn't libreoffice take care of that? | 01:36 |
| gnarface | gimp can handle pdf | 01:38 |
| onefang | I tried loading it into Libreoffice, it crashed. lol | 01:38 |
| * onefang tries GIMP, I know how to use that. | 01:39 | |
| gnarface | hmm, libreoffice does look like it can do it too, and probably has better controls for text entry and field manipulation | 01:39 |
| gnarface | gimp will just treat it like an image; make sure you get the DPI right when you load it | 01:40 |
| onefang | Looks like GIMP only does one page. | 01:40 |
| gnarface | i think when you enter the dpi you have to tell it which pages to open | 01:40 |
| gnarface | it will open every page as a separate image | 01:41 |
| gnarface | kindof a PITA | 01:41 |
| brocashelm | okular, scribus, xournal++, pdf mix tool, pdfsam, pdfarranger, pdf chain, pdf slicer? | 01:41 |
| gnarface | you might want to consider looking into whyever libreoffice is crashing on you | 01:41 |
| onefang | LIbreOffice says "General Error. General input/output error." Okular opened it fine, as did all the other pdf viewers I tried. | 01:43 |
| onefang | I'll look at those others you listed. | 01:43 |
| gnarface | which libreoffice version? | 01:43 |
| gnarface | the one in daedalus right now? | 01:44 |
| onefang | Chimaera 1:7.0.4-4+deb11u7. | 01:44 |
| gnarface | hmm, not really that old | 01:45 |
| gnarface | maybe you're just missing a .so file | 01:45 |
| onefang | Once I'm done with all this RL bullshit and moving, if I don't end up in atent, then I'll have achance to upgrade to Deadalus. | 01:45 |
| gnarface | do you have ghostscript installed? some time a long time ago i had a problem like this and for whatever reason ghostscript or one of its dependencies fixed it | 01:46 |
| onefang | I can upgrade to 4:7.4.5-3~bpo11+1. | 01:46 |
| gnarface | eh, backports might be worth at try | 01:46 |
| onefang | Ghostscript is installed. | 01:46 |
| gnarface | 7.4.5 is much closer to the daedalus version (7.4.7) | 01:47 |
| onefang | Let's see if I can convince synaptic to let me do that. lol | 01:49 |
| * onefang gives up on libreoffice. | 01:51 | |
| gnarface | so, when you open it in gimp you don't see a "select range" field for a range of page numbers, and "open pages as [layers]" drop-down? | 01:53 |
| gnarface | if not, one has to wonder if the pdf is well formed | 01:53 |
| onefang | There was a window for selecting which page to edit. | 01:53 |
| onefang | It's a government form, being not well formed is entirely possible. | 01:54 |
| gnarface | hmm | 01:54 |
| gnarface | i can't seem to reproduce either issue with what i've got here to test anyway | 01:55 |
| gnarface | you sure you don't actually have all the pages in the layers panel in gimp and it's just only showing the top one by default? | 01:57 |
| onefang | https://www.publications.qld.gov.au/ckan-publications-attachments-prod/resources/d5e78af6-9d6a-4495-842e-3b85b05c7d34/form-1-version-2-statutory-declaration-form-print-version.pdf is the document in question. .gov.au is the Australian government domain. qld is Queensland, the Australian state I live in. | 01:58 |
| gnarface | yea it's fine for me in gimp and libreoffice both | 02:00 |
| gnarface | daedalus versions | 02:01 |
| gnarface | i'm kinda impressed at how good the libreoffice controls look for it actually | 02:02 |
| onefang | xournal wants to do black text on black background by default. lol | 02:03 |
| onefang | And scribus is doing white on white. LMAO! | 02:04 |
| onefang | Ah getting xournal to behave. It's text input field is black on black, but it does black on white once you are done editing. shrugs | 02:10 |
| onefang | xournal did the trick. Thanks gnarface. | 02:18 |
| onefang | NOw let's see if I can find someone to print it. Then see if I can use it to get a current photo ID, coz no one wants me old ones anymore. Then see if I can avoid moving into my tent in October, coz every one wants WAAAAAY too much ID. | 02:20 |
| onefang | Hopefully I can get all the BS behind me soon, get a stable home, then I can get back to doing my proper work, like helping out Devuan. | 02:21 |
| onefang | Now I get to run all over the city getting paper work done. | 02:32 |
| systemdlete | THe information at https://www.devuan.org/os/releases is helpful, but is it available in a more machine-readable format somewhere? I looked in /etc but I don't see anything. | 06:52 |
| systemdlete | I mean, I can write a quick-and-dirty script to parse the page, but maybe this is unnecessary. | 06:54 |
| systemdlete | I mean, I can just WRITE my own mapping file... lol. | 06:56 |
| systemdlete | And I think that's what I will do. | 06:56 |
| systemdlete | Releases are not very frequent anyway. | 06:56 |
| systemdlete | so... nvm | 06:57 |
| onefang | gnarface: all the paper work worked. YAY! I gotta wait three weeks for the actual result. BOO! | 09:18 |
| otism | hey hey, can anyone help? I'm at installing pipewire using https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5867. Is this my correct file for this: 40x11-common_xsessionrc where I should write into? | 13:22 |
| fatal | are you asking where to put your ~/.xsessionrc file? | 13:51 |
| Wonka | any chance to find a libgtk-1.2.so.0 in any current devuan packages? | 17:17 |
| gnarface | no | 17:19 |
| gnarface | as far as i can tell anyway, it's been libgtk3 since jessie | 17:20 |
| gnarface | your best bet is probably to try to build something from an old debian release | 17:21 |
| gnarface | otism: i dunno the answer to the question you asked yesterday, but someoneone tried to help you and you had already disconnected. stick around longer if you can. | 17:22 |
| gnarface | otism: if the question was just where to put that .xsessionrc file, it goes in your home directory | 17:23 |
| otism | hi, ok :) | 17:24 |
| gnarface | otism: yes, i'll help if i can but let's keep the conversation in here in case it can help others, or others can also help | 17:24 |
| gnarface | well, as long as the questions are relevant i don't think they'll harm the channel | 17:26 |
| otism | is ok, hope to find some answers, an internet lecture couldn't answer them all. so the situation: | 17:26 |
| gnarface | if they're not relevant we can take it to #devuan-offtopic | 17:26 |
| gnarface | Wonka: actually, i'm not so sure, maybe they just changed the package naming pattern... did you try the "apt-file" search tool? | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | I did | 17:29 |
| fsmithred | I can't find any libgtk-1 in daedalus or jessie (really, jessie) | 17:30 |
| otism | relevant surely, but they are about distros in general, though I like devuan project a lot, but can't help bringing my hardware to work :( So I read about PCLinuxOS, also systemd-free (??), beginnerfriendly, but I can't tell how RedHat (bad?) is a factor for this distro? | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | all libgtk-32 | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | oops | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | libgtk-3 | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | 32 will be in a few years | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | Wonka, try archive.debian.org | 17:30 |
| gnarface | otism: ah, i see. yea, take that conversation to #devuan-offtopic, and be patient. i'm sure you'll get responses. | 17:30 |
| otism | thanks, I'll do | 17:31 |
| Wonka | thx, installed https://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glib1.2/libglib1.2ldbl_1.2.10-19_amd64.deb, https://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18.1_all.deb, and https://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18.1_amd64.deb | 18:02 |
| Afdal | Aha, so Daedalus was finally released? | 20:31 |
| Afdal | \:o/ | 20:31 |
| Afdal | How long has it been out? | 20:34 |
| gnarface | a few days | 20:34 |
| gnarface | not long | 20:34 |
| Afdal | Time to make a big decision | 20:35 |
| Afdal | whether or not I should take this opportunity to switch to unstable... | 20:35 |
| gnarface | seems like self inflicted harm tbh | 20:41 |
| gnarface | right now would be the worst time to switch to unstable, unless you're trying to find bugs | 20:41 |
| gnarface | because i would expect the next few months to be a time of extra instability typically | 20:41 |
| Afdal | What, huh? | 20:42 |
| Afdal | Isn't the best time to do it on new stable release because that's when they're closest to one another? | 20:42 |
| Afdal | best time to switch* | 20:42 |
| gnarface | no, right before the stable release, but after the pre-release freeze is the best time | 20:43 |
| gnarface | that's when they're the closest to each other | 20:43 |
| gnarface | then immediately after the release, unstable goes crazy | 20:43 |
| mason | Afdal: What's your goal in running unstable? | 20:43 |
| gnarface | crazy. | 20:43 |
| mason | (Or do you mean testing?) | 20:43 |
| Afdal | oh maybe I meant testing | 20:43 |
| Afdal | I get them confused | 20:43 |
| Afdal | which one is actually more stable | 20:44 |
| Afdal | it's testing isn't it | 20:44 |
| gnarface | depends on what you mean by stable really | 20:44 |
| mason | Afdal: Testing explodes once it's unfrozen after release, so if you want to run that, I'd wait. That said, it's going to have a lot of the evil churn from upstream, and I wouldn't want to run it now. | 20:44 |
| gnarface | but testing is fresh right now too so i would say my advice holds true for it too | 20:44 |
| Afdal | anyway I get really sick of dealing with a million headaches at once cycling between versions on stable release distros, so I'd like to try out something that's a little like rolling release | 20:45 |
| mason | For instance, debianutils was taken over and will break without usrmerge. | 20:45 |
| mason | https://bugs.debian.org/1050725 | 20:46 |
| DelTomix | I used to track unstable, in recent years though I find with backports, proposed-updates stable is rolling enough for me. | 20:46 |
| gnarface | Afdal: for the next year or two at least, debian stable will be the thing everything is targeting. unstable won't be "more stable" in those terms until actual stable is a few years stale. ^ and yea, when that happens you should try backports first before doing anything crazy. | 20:47 |
| Afdal | Yeah okay, testing is what I actually meant. I'm not that crazy to use unstable :D | 20:47 |
| gnarface | for gaming, historically i honestly have usually had better luck with unstable than testing | 20:48 |
| gnarface | but right now, now is not a good time for that | 20:48 |
| Afdal | very confused @_@ | 20:48 |
| gnarface | well, unstable breaks more but usually also gets fixed faster | 20:48 |
| gnarface | all the fixes that go into testing have to go through unstable first | 20:49 |
| gnarface | but testing is targeting an eventual release, while unstable is not | 20:49 |
| gnarface | so if by "stability" you mean [works with bleeding edge commercial products] then unstable is actually the one to use | 20:50 |
| gnarface | but right now, just right now, actual stable, daedalus, is so fresh it's better | 20:50 |
| Afdal | Okay so, what is actually the best time to switch from stable to testing? | 20:50 |
| gnarface | and it will probably be that way for a good couple years | 20:50 |
| gnarface | i would say... when someone releases a game that requires a driver that is too new even for backports, and you hear that it will never get into backports due to some fundamental incompatibility. that's usually evidence that the industry has moved on and stable is too stale for payware to support anymore. then you switch to ... testing or unstable (i'd go with unstable in that case but ymmv) | 20:52 |
| DelTomix | ..or backport it yourself | 20:53 |
| gnarface | right | 20:53 |
| Afdal | that sounds like asking to reproduce the same headaches I hate about stable release upgrades | 20:53 |
| gnarface | but sometimes having to backport all the dependencies means you've basically backported the whole next release, in which case you might as well just update instead | 20:53 |
| Afdal | the whole point of getting closer to rolling release is so that I can deal with issues that arise when they pop up one at a time | 20:54 |
| gnarface | the stable release shouldn't really have issues though | 20:54 |
| gnarface | and really, it rarely does, with the exception of certain misbehaved video driver vendors | 20:55 |
| Afdal | There's always issues with upgrading, mainly being that some program or other that I use relied on an old library and now I need to navigate a sea of dependencies to update it | 20:55 |
| gnarface | alright well, maybe you do want to run unstable then, but i'd still recommend you give it at least 6 months for the smoke to clear | 20:56 |
| Afdal | and just program upgrading issues in general | 20:56 |
| Afdal | -.- | 20:56 |
| DelTomix | tracking testing will have those same issues - just spread out over time rather than having to deal with them all at once such as in a dist-upgrade | 20:56 |
| Afdal | yeah and that's the point | 20:56 |
| Afdal | I'd prefer them to be spread out | 20:56 |
| Afdal | I tend to procrastinate my release upgrades a lot because I absolutely dread dealing with all these headaches at once | 20:57 |
| DelTomix | however - lots of times - changes that people tripped on in testing get refined to transition better/more correctly by the time the dist-upgrade happens | 20:58 |
| Afdal | For example something I know I'll have to do when I upgrade | 20:59 |
| Afdal | is recompile R and RStudio again | 20:59 |
| Afdal | since the old build I'm using relied on old libraries | 20:59 |
| Afdal | which will be replaced when I upgrade | 21:00 |
| Afdal | not looking forward to that one -.- | 21:01 |
| Afdal | actually I might have to recompile a lot of stuff I've compiled recently | 21:01 |
| Afdal | now that I think about it... | 21:01 |
| DelTomix | for stuff I have to compile myself I always script the entire process, and keep it in a local git repository to track updating or dependency changes, The script is better than keeping notes at least, and then I can just have a menu-selection to update and recompile | 21:05 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred: For installing minimal xfce4, is this similar to what you were talking about: https://github.com/coonrad/Debian-Xfce4-Minimal-Install ? | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, not exactly. That guide starts out with installing xfce4 which is a metapackage. I don't do that. | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | I install the parts of xfce4 that i want. Run 'apt show xfce4' to see what the Depends are. | 23:17 |
| systemdlete | scrolll down. They give a method to install minimal xfce | 23:17 |
| systemdlete | anyway, did you ever find that package list you were hinting at? I mean the list to get a minimal xfce4 install? | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I thought I posted it for you | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | it's similar to what you just linked | 23:18 |
| systemdlete | ok, I must have missed it. I've been in and out of here. | 23:19 |
| systemdlete | Had to reset my hosts and net a few times. | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | oh wait, I see it | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | got buried in the messages | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | thank you fsmithred | 23:23 |
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