| TDRR | Hey. Does anyone have some RAM usage figures for a normal Devuan 5 install? I want something to use on an old 2GB RAM netbook but base Debian 12 proved quite slow and consumes a lot of RAM on it. | 00:35 |
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| TDRR | 32-bit or 64-bit works fine for me, but preferably 64-bit, as it would make for a better comparison. | 00:37 |
| debdog | with ony 2 GB I wouldn't go for "normal". I'd go for minimal | 00:40 |
| gnarface | yea, i agree with that | 00:41 |
| gnarface | try ditching the default desktop and a lot of the runtime bloat | 00:41 |
| gnarface | try zram for swap | 00:42 |
| gnarface | (see the zramswap package) | 00:42 |
| gnarface | oh, sorry it's the zram-tools package i think | 00:42 |
| TDRR | Ah yes, zram. | 00:43 |
| TDRR | I was thinking on going with a window manager like FVWM or similar. Is zram preferable to ondisk swap? | 00:43 |
| TDRR | The netbook also has a pretty poor CPU so I'm worried about decompression performance. | 00:44 |
| TDRR | (Celeron N2805 1.4GHz, 2 cores) | 00:46 |
| debdog | TDRR: what do you intend to do with the netbook? | 00:58 |
| TDRR | Largely web browsing and office work. | 00:58 |
| TDRR | I don't use too heavy web pages really but it would be nice to have some headroom if possible. | 00:58 |
| gnarface | zram will probably work well | 00:58 |
| gnarface | the overhead is less than you'd think | 00:59 |
| gnarface | you can configure between a few different compression codecs too | 00:59 |
| gnarface | yes, it's a lot faster than on-disk swap, though by how much largely depends on how fast your ram is | 00:59 |
| TDRR | Ah I didn't know that, I'll try. | 00:59 |
| TDRR | A lot faster than an HDD I'd assume :p | 01:00 |
| TDRR | I was mostly just worried about it being offset by the CPU being so slow. | 01:00 |
| gnarface | i've been using it on arm devices of similar capacity to avoid using microSD cards for swap | 01:01 |
| TDRR | That's reassuring then. And yeah I can get why, they'd wear down quick no? | 01:01 |
| gnarface | yea. web browsers and office productivity stuff will typically benefit from it. | 01:02 |
| gnarface | streaming video not so much | 01:02 |
| gnarface | dealing with already compressed stuff won't benefit | 01:02 |
| TDRR | One semi-unrelated thing. Say, I go with 32-bit just to save a little more RAM, and I want Wine 4.x or 5.x. Can I install it? The problem is that I get no hardware acceleration support with the newer versions, and in 32-bit I don't have access to an AppImage (because they're all made for 64-bit only apparently). | 01:03 |
| gnarface | well if you're going by the the wine builds in the repos, i think you can just install wine32 | 01:04 |
| gnarface | but if you actually do a whole 32-bit install i'm pretty sure the 64-bit part is not an option | 01:05 |
| TDRR | Yeah of course, I don't care about the 64-bit support. | 01:05 |
| gnarface | the winehq wine packages are structured differently though | 01:05 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure they can be separated | 01:05 |
| TDRR | All I want is just a version old enough so I get hardware acceleration support on DirectX 9 apps or older. | 01:05 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 01:06 |
| TDRR | I might as well go with 64-bit then and put a wm on that, so I can use AppImages and not have to fiddle with winehq packages. | 01:06 |
| TDRR | If anyone has some pure terminal RAM usages though so I can make sure this is what I should go with that'd help. | 01:07 |
| gnarface | hmm, actually you said wine 4 or 5... that's like really old now | 01:08 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure you could do that without installing an older devuan release | 01:08 |
| TDRR | It is lol. To be fair I'm not sure exactly which version cut off support, but Wine 8 I'm sure doesn't work. | 01:08 |
| gnarface | or building it yourself | 01:08 |
| TDRR | But 64-bit and an AppImage will do, those are around. | 01:09 |
| gnarface | the video card doesn't have vulkan support does it? | 01:09 |
| TDRR | Definitely not. | 01:09 |
| TDRR | OpenGL 4.0 at most. | 01:09 |
| TDRR | No Vulkan, and on Windows it's DX11. | 01:10 |
| bgstack15 | gnarface: yes, I am in the group named "video" | 02:54 |
| gcs | I would like to know if adding debian PPAs in devuan will break my system. | 04:37 |
| Xenguy | PPA's ? | 04:39 |
| bgstack15 | I would love to hear about debian PPAs. | 04:40 |
| bgstack15 | And yes, they probably will introduce dependency requirements that Devuan repos themselves cannot provide. | 04:40 |
| gcs | for example: Brave browser installation instructions. | 04:43 |
| gcs | >Debian, Ubuntu, Mint | 04:43 |
| gcs | >echo "deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/brave-browser-archive-keyring.gpg] https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/ stable main"|sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release.list | 04:43 |
| golinux | gcs: You get to keep all the pieces | 04:43 |
| golinux | Debian PPAs is an oxymonon, isn't it? | 04:44 |
| DelTomix | As far as I know PPA's are an Ubuntu thing - its neither advisable on Devuan nor Debian | 04:44 |
| bgstack15 | It's always a risk. Sometimes some repos are bigger risks than others. Because it appears they want this one repository to be usable by Debian and Ubuntu and Mint, it's possible they might have dependencies listed in a way that could not be resolvable in this distro. | 04:45 |
| bgstack15 | Hopefully they've tested it, but did their test environment match yours exactly? | 04:45 |
| debdog | bravebrowser repo works here gcs | 04:45 |
| bgstack15 | It's something to be aware of, forever, when you are running package commands. | 04:45 |
| golinux | Read the "Don't break Debian" page | 04:46 |
| gcs | So it's not guaranteed that PPAs will break Devuan, right? | 04:48 |
| golinux | If you like Russian Roulette, go right ahead . . . | 04:50 |
| golinux | You should be able to get Brave browser elsewhere | 04:51 |
| gcs | I don't use Brave | 04:51 |
| debdog | again, that repo works quite well for me | 04:51 |
| DelTomix | nothing is guaranteed - myself - I don't trust competence of a package that doesn't differentiate between Ubuntu and Debian, and if they further offer no portable version or an option to run as a user (without systemwide/root installation) I don't trust them at all | 04:51 |
| golinux | Have a look at this page: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 04:52 |
| gcs | But every debian install instructions I see tell you to add a PPA | 04:52 |
| golinux | first line: | 04:52 |
| golinux | Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should NOT be used directly. | 04:52 |
| golinux | DelTomix: Hahaha! Good point . . . | 04:53 |
| gcs | 👍️ | 04:55 |
| golinux | Have no idea what that is. It's not translating | 04:56 |
| DelTomix | its a thumbs up on my screen | 04:56 |
| golinux | Hex Chat doesn't have a translator . . . | 04:57 |
| golinux | Anyway . . . time to say good night . . . | 04:58 |
| DelTomix | you have an excellent night golinux ! | 04:58 |
| golinux | You too! | 04:59 |
| Xenguy | I too can vouch for the Brave repo, works fine here | 05:39 |
| Xenguy | There is a distinction between 3rd party repos, and franken-repos, to take into account | 05:40 |
| friedhelm | I operate a 3rd party repo myself. It does not differentiate either. It works with any Debian/Devuan version from Jessy to Sid/Ceres. | 10:50 |
| friedhelm | It provides Jörg Schilling's cdrtools + some small utilities. | 10:50 |
| friedhelm | It can even left in the sources list file during upgrades. | 10:51 |
| friedhelm | See here: "http://www.friedhelms.net" | 10:51 |
| al1r4d | https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Coreutils-9.4 | 13:01 |
| al1r4d | GNU Coreutils 9.4 adds a new "--enable-systemd" option for Linux systems with systemd in use | 13:01 |
| buZz | that description doesnt make sense | 13:50 |
| buZz | > GNU Coreutils 9.4 adds a new "--enable-systemd" option for Linux systems with systemd in use. This is used to deal with the punky, uptime, users, and who commands that misbehave currently on 32-bit platforms like x86 and Arm. When enabling the systemd integration with GNU Coreutils, the pinky, uptime, and who commands can now work for times after the year 2038 on 32-bit systems | 13:50 |
| buZz | so, systemd introduced bugs for 32bit platforms? | 13:50 |
| fatal | aren't 32bit systems about to be eradicated? | 13:51 |
| buZz | why? | 13:51 |
| fatal | because redhat said so | 13:51 |
| buZz | who? | 13:51 |
| fatal | are you living under a rock? | 13:52 |
| buZz | yes | 13:52 |
| buZz | one of my daily drivers is a OMAP4430 running devuan / maemo leste ;) | 13:53 |
| fatal | you're supposed to say where tho | 13:53 |
| buZz | 32bit | 13:53 |
| buZz | fatal: ah, alas, just woke up | 13:53 |
| fatal | it's kind of funny because big corprations seem to work on getting rid of 32 bit support | 13:54 |
| buZz | yeah i dont know how that affects me, i dont use proprietary software nor 'buy new machines' often | 13:55 |
| fatal | sytemd is not proprietary if you use it or not is up to you anyway | 13:56 |
| buZz | i tried it briefly, its abysmal | 13:56 |
| fatal | i on;y hear good stuff from people who actually do use it | 13:57 |
| fatal | but that's it for about the last decade | 13:57 |
| fatal | something like that | 13:58 |
| fatal | anyway if i don't need it i probably don't know extensively about it | 13:59 |
| fatal | which worked out pretty well so far when using debian | 14:00 |
| al1r4d | fatal: 32 bit is deprecated for me. | 14:03 |
| al1r4d | lets move on | 14:03 |
| al1r4d | :) | 14:03 |
| al1r4d | The future is now :) | 14:03 |
| fatal | all i'm saying is that it's not implemented to annoy people with that have no use for | 14:05 |
| fatal | also sometimes michael larabel does make mistakes throwing out articles non-stop | 14:07 |
| golinux | Who were those morons? | 15:20 |
| DrHyde | my FRIDGE has an 8 bit processor, and is still manufactured. if that's still being made you can be sure that there's plenty of 32 bit stuff out there, doing boring but important things that the sort of people who like new fangled rubbish don't think about | 16:05 |
| golinux | True! But off-topic . . . ;) | 16:08 |
| simon_adebisi | Hi, anyone had experience using Intel CPU and Intel ARC GPU? Will I have to install additional Intel drivers or it should just work out of box? | 17:29 |
| rwp | simon_adebisi, These articles may be of interest to you https://www.phoronix.com/review/arc-graphics-compute-q1 and https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-arc-march23 | 18:59 |
| simon_adebisi | thanks @rwp | 20:24 |
| stalker254 | / msg chanserv REGISTER #devuan-ua Avalon697a | 20:56 |
| rwp | I recommend never using that password anywhere ever again. | 21:04 |
| openfbtd | Not that you should reuse passwords | 22:31 |
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