| rrq | everyone: if you run startx as non-root, using daedalus and ceres, you are invited to test the devuan/experimental build and send feedback to LeePen or rrq .. it's a version that is happy about VT switching (supported by either seatd or elogind), but we want more confirming tests. | 00:54 |
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| gnarface | hmm, my daedalus install doesn't have problems with that though | 01:01 |
| DelTomix | rrq: which packages are needed from experimental? | 01:01 |
| DelTomix | I have the VT switching issue so I can definitely test | 01:02 |
| rrq | xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-common | 01:02 |
| DelTomix | ok thanks! will report back | 01:02 |
| rrq | thanks | 01:02 |
| romo | Hey guys, I might have slightly forgotten to upgrade one ASCII VM to 3.1/4.0/5.0. Is that still possible? | 16:37 |
| debdog | yes | 16:41 |
| debdog | release to release, of course | 16:41 |
| debdog | to bring ASCII up-to-date before then dist-upgrade you have to alter sources.list to point to archive.devuan.org instead of pkgmaster.devuan.org | 16:44 |
| romo | So this should be a matter of changing repositories, running apt update followed by apt full-upgrade. Is there a place where I may find Beowulf repositories? | 16:45 |
| romo | Oh, so it's archive.devuan.org + <Release-Name>, right? | 16:47 |
| debdog | #deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main non-free contrib | 16:47 |
| debdog | #deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-updates main non-free contrib | 16:47 |
| debdog | #deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-security main non-free contrib | 16:47 |
| romo | Many thanks. | 16:48 |
| debdog | https://www.devuan.org/os/releases the ones with the Status Archived require the archive.devuan.org repo | 16:48 |
| debdog | I have done that same thing a couple of weeks ago. but ATM I can't find the image of that VM. inside there is a sources.list with all the steps, all the repos | 17:03 |
| debdog | sorry | 17:03 |
| romo | Made it to Beowulf - thank you very much. Wuhu. | 17:04 |
| romo | No worries, that did work perfectly fine. Yay. | 17:05 |
| debdog | there is one thing I have encountered. step Chimaera to Daedalus might have pitfalls. depending on the complexity of installs inside that VM | 17:06 |
| debdog | in case you encounter major issues https://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/bobs-guide-to-system-upgrades-with-debian/bobs-guide-to-system-upgrades-with-debian.html might help to clean things up | 17:07 |
| debdog | issues dependency wise | 17:08 |
| debdog | that is | 17:08 |
| romo | It's a very (very) defaulty install (even without non-free & contrib). All right. Thanks. Depending on how that'll work I'll likely be okay to stay on Chimera or even Beowulf for a while. I'm now trying Snapshot/Upgrade-approach in any case. | 17:10 |
| debdog | *thumbs-up* | 17:10 |
| romo | Wuhu, made it to Daedalus. Is there a specific package to install commonly popular Xfce themes like Adwaita-dark separately? | 18:12 |
| gnarface | not sure, maybe adwaita-icon-theme, gnome-themes-extra, gnome-themes-extra-data? | 18:21 |
| romo | Yeah, gnome-themes-extra will do. adwaita-icon-theme was already included by default & I didn't try the last one. Thank you, my eyes don't last long without a dark theme. Yay. | 18:28 |
| YKaelig | Hello | 19:36 |
| YKaelig | From Devuan on Nvidia GTX660 with driver 470.199.02 | 19:36 |
| YKaelig | Patched for removing nvidia-persistenced dependency | 19:40 |
| gnarface | YKaelig: hooraaay! so you got 470 running in daedalus under kernel 6.1? | 19:42 |
| YKaelig | Yes. Linux devuan 6.1.0-12-amd64 | 19:43 |
| gnarface | that's great news. how's stability? | 19:43 |
| gnarface | have you run some opengl tests to see if it works right and everything? | 19:43 |
| gnarface | my first concern would be that the result would be really crashy if you try to use any hardware "features" | 19:44 |
| YKaelig | https://postimg.cc/646TDwpg | 19:45 |
| gnarface | sorry, paste.debian.net and i'll look at it | 19:45 |
| YKaelig | I'm going to run some benchmarks, yes | 19:46 |
| gnarface | make sure you have acpid installed | 19:47 |
| YKaelig | why ? | 19:47 |
| gnarface | the nvidia drivers need it for (amongst other things) thermal zones | 19:47 |
| gnarface | just so power throttling/overheat protect works | 19:47 |
| gnarface | you wouldn't want to go through all this trouble just to fry it running benchmarks | 19:48 |
| YKaelig | well, I'm not using it on my Gentoo and that's not a problem. | 19:49 |
| gnarface | it's not a given that it will be, it depends on video bios defaults that vary between manufacturer and product generations | 19:49 |
| gnarface | and the quality of your cooling setup | 19:50 |
| YKaelig | gnarface There is no devuan pastebin ? | 19:50 |
| gnarface | nah there's not unfortunately. it would just become a spam trap | 19:50 |
| gnarface | acpid should have come along with your desktop environment though in a fair world. it's also for basic stuff like sleep/hibernate controls, but depending on how you installed it might have been left out | 19:51 |
| gnarface | if you're using systemd on the gentoo isntall, it would use some systemd internal thing instead | 19:51 |
| YKaelig | So, is there a good place to share the tutorial if someone else want to configure/build/install the driver for devuan ? | 19:52 |
| YKaelig | gnarface No systemd but a custom build with S6+66suite | 19:52 |
| gnarface | yea, put it on the forum at dev1galaxy.org | 19:53 |
| gnarface | i think it might also be appropriate to give a heads-up to the mailing list | 19:53 |
| YKaelig | I don't want to register anywhere , I'm done with that. | 19:53 |
| gnarface | i don't blame you | 19:53 |
| YKaelig | ^^ | 19:54 |
| gnarface | maybe you can get someone else here with one of those 660's to test it and they can put it up for you after that | 19:54 |
| YKaelig | Well, I'm going to paste it on paste.debian.net | 19:56 |
| YKaelig | doesn't work | 19:58 |
| YKaelig | lol | 19:58 |
| YKaelig | debian ... | 19:58 |
| YKaelig | Invalid format for name | 19:59 |
| YKaelig | Maybe because I enter devuan | 19:59 |
| gnarface | YKaelig: make sure you don't have any email addresses or urls in there | 19:59 |
| gnarface | YKaelig: (they also have a spam problem) | 19:59 |
| gnarface | onefang, debdog ^ the nvidia 470 porting notes are ready | 20:00 |
| YKaelig | Here is the link for those who want to play with it. https://dpaste.com/4JMWMJW6G | 20:01 |
| YKaelig | Done | 20:01 |
| YKaelig | I have not time to debug debian online services issue | 20:02 |
| gnarface | if anyone can please put this up on the forum it would be appreciated in the future | 20:02 |
| YKaelig | I can some uningine benchmark first. | 20:05 |
| YKaelig | run | 20:05 |
| YKaelig | By the way. I confirm an issue with the default debian breeze theme available after a KDE desktop installation from the netinstall iso | 20:07 |
| YKaelig | Also I confirm that KDE wayland is set as the default session and it's a bad idea. I thought first that was an issue with Devuan only I later I got the idea to check the default value in SDDM | 20:08 |
| YKaelig | Good old card, lol | 20:22 |
| YKaelig | Good old CPU too | 20:22 |
| YKaelig | I will do some devuan behavior tests with default configuration, in Games, in Audio, in Wine. Curious to see how it will compare with OpenMandriva. Next I will optimse each of the distro and test again. | 20:28 |
| YKaelig | Well, at least on nvidia driver still the desktop doesn't freeze like on nouveau driver after few minuts or even second, it's random. | 20:29 |
| YKaelig | It's only my opinion but there is too much kde application sofwares by default from the netinstall. | 20:31 |
| YKaelig | I don't know who is usign konqueror for example, lol | 20:31 |
| DFP | So it was Nouveau! I never knew. | 20:38 |
| gnarface | even the nouveau maintainers will tell you it's terrible and don't use it | 20:39 |
| DFP | Though now enough time passed since I last had frequent freezes that I am not sure if I had Nouveau or not. :D | 20:39 |
| gnarface | i think nouveau replaced the original nv driver sometime around 20 years ago | 20:40 |
| gnarface | 15-20, something like that | 20:40 |
| rwp | In the Chimaera timeframe I removed my nvidia adaptor and switched to a radeon to avoid the newly introduced freeze and crash bugs in the nouveau driver. It had been great for years. Then it destabilized. | 20:40 |
| gnarface | that's also the official recommendation from #nouveau; buy AMD | 20:41 |
| rwp | I don't know what they were modifying in the driver but they took it from being an acceptable okay driver to being "too buggy for me to use" over about three months in Unstable. | 20:41 |
| gnarface | (ironically, the instability was actually probably caused directly by the driver being more completed) | 20:41 |
| rwp | I feel sympathy for all of the people who bought high powered nVidia cards and now want to use them. Bummer. Because the proprietary driver is terrible too. | 20:43 |
| rwp | Meanwhile I have had zero problems of any kind with the AMD adaptors using the in kernel main source drivers. | 20:44 |
| DFP | I bought NVidia before I learned that they were a dick. :D | 20:44 |
| YKaelig | Well, it's not easy for Nvidia when linux developers do everything to put obstacles in the way. | 20:45 |
| DFP | I mean their general business practices, by the way. | 20:46 |
| YKaelig | Whether it's AMD or NVIDIA, they are both good business actors | 20:50 |
| gnarface | alright, this is getting offtopic, take the vendor ethics debate to to #devuan-offtopic | 20:51 |
| DPA | YKaelig: You know, recommends are optional dependencies. You can do "apt-get install --no-install-recommends", or set the appropriate option in the config files of apt. You can also uninstall nvidia-persistenced after the fact. Or you can explicitly tell apt to keep it uninstalled while installing nvidia-driver: "apt-get install nvidia-driver nvidia-persistenced-" | 20:55 |
| DPA | (Note the "-" after the package name, for "remove"). | 20:56 |
| YKaelig | Yes, I know. But I prefer to remove the dependency from the ground. :) | 20:57 |
| YKaelig | A la Gentoo. I build what I need ;) | 20:58 |
| DPA | Those are package dependencies rather than build dependencies, though. | 21:01 |
| YKaelig | Yes, right. My bad | 21:02 |
| DFP | '(Note the "-" after the package name, for "remove")' Argh! I never knew! | 21:02 |
| DFP | Ah, all the times I wanted to skip installing a particular recommend and didn't know how.. | 21:03 |
| YKaelig | It's just my choice and it should be the default value because a beginners could have no idea about how apt works. And by default on devuan nvidia-perisstend is add the the default runlevel and started at boot, which is not recommended by nvidia | 21:04 |
| YKaelig | add the / added to | 21:04 |
| YKaelig | https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/396.51/README/nvidia-persistenced.html | 21:04 |
| YKaelig | The daemon utility nvidia-persistenced is installed by the NVIDIA Linux GPU driver installer, but it is not installed to run on system startup. | 21:05 |
| YKaelig | nvidia-persistenced is intended to be run as a daemon from system initialization, and is generally designed as a tool for compute-only platforms where the NVIDIA device is not used to display a graphical user interface. | 21:05 |
| DPA | Ok, that really looks like it shouldn't be a recommends, you're right. Would probably be better if it was a suggests. | 21:09 |
| YKaelig | Just to be sure https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/470.199.02/README/nvidia-persistenced.html | 21:10 |
| YKaelig | For the last version | 21:10 |
| YKaelig | Still here after some unigine benchmark :) | 21:22 |
| YKaelig | Well, enough for today. Have a good day/night | 21:22 |
| YKaelig | CU later | 21:22 |
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