| rwp | spine-o-saurus, Missing the ext4 option? Did you start the expert install but not load the needed modules? Restart and use the normal install path and all will be there. I recommend xfs. | 00:01 |
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| spine-o-saurus | alrightythen | 00:05 |
| rwp | I dislike UEFI because in the previous days with Legacy BIOS booting one could move disks from one machine into a different machine and then boot. | 00:05 |
| rwp | But with UEFI this is no longer possible because the new motherboard won't have the EFI vars set up for it. One must always boot rescue media and then grub-install or efibootmgr or something else that writes the EFI vars to instruct it to boot the disk. Even if the motherboards are otherwise identical. | 00:06 |
| blockhead | nwp: i didn't know that. ick. | 00:21 |
| rwp | Ick indeed. Meanwhile all new hardware either has already moved or is moving to UEFI and so we must learn how to live with it. | 00:35 |
| spine-o-saurus | ya i remember they did the same during the x86 to x64 changeover too, they claimed it was more secure and faster | 00:47 |
| blockhead | i went into setup on my laptop and told it MBR & BIOS. Working fine. | 00:49 |
| al1r4d | morning | 01:01 |
| cousin_luigi | Morning. | 09:41 |
| cousin_luigi | Where is the shutdown log located? I see things on console that don't appear to be saved anywhere. | 09:41 |
| gnarface | well, it'd be in /var/log/ | 10:07 |
| gnarface | you might have to change something to log what you want logged | 10:07 |
| gnarface | rsyslog configuration or something | 10:08 |
| gnarface | did you install bootlogd? | 10:08 |
| gnarface | not sure but bootlogd might help too | 10:09 |
| onefang | Always possible that not everything gets logged. | 10:11 |
| gnarface | i think there's two basic cases of stuff you see on the console not being logged, and one you can fix by installing another package and the other you fix by changing a line in rsyslog.conf | 10:11 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: Yes, bootlogd is running and I've grepped through /var/log without success | 10:26 |
| cousin_luigi | What should I add to rsyslog.conf? | 10:26 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: sorry, i forget, but it might be mentioned in the comments | 10:42 |
| gnarface | i think it is also possible some stuff early in boot or late in shutdown only can be logged via serial console | 10:42 |
| onefang | Can't log to disk if the disk is not yet mounted, or has been unmounted. | 11:02 |
| librebeowulf | hi guys. when you click on removable drive in thunar, what program runs? I was thinking it's not mount because mount requires root even to mount CD? | 12:28 |
| librebeowulf | the reason I'm asking is I would like to something in autostart so I don't have to click anymore. do I have wrong idea? | 12:31 |
| n4dir | what device do you want to mount? If that is what you want to do | 12:32 |
| librebeowulf | flash drive | 12:32 |
| n4dir | to make it short: you could ... yes, after flash drive, give "pmount" a try | 12:32 |
| librebeowulf | can I use uuid? | 12:33 |
| n4dir | in thunar dependencies there is thunar-volman, but i don't think it answers the question | 12:33 |
| n4dir | librebeowulf: i don't really know, but i don't think so | 12:33 |
| n4dir | i don't know it well | 12:33 |
| n4dir | librebeowulf: there is an entry in xfce-gui-settings where you can automount stuff | 12:34 |
| n4dir | all settings -> removable drives and media -> storage | 12:34 |
| librebeowulf | ok thanks. which brings me to another question. I use openbox more often. When I try to mount internal drive, it doesn't ask for password. It just says mount failed or something. | 12:36 |
| librebeowulf | what's mising. | 12:36 |
| n4dir | also via thunar click-click ? | 12:37 |
| librebeowulf | yes | 12:37 |
| n4dir | i sure don't know. if you search the web, you may find stuff (say i ran in dbus-launch) | 12:39 |
| n4dir | you could to a "pstree" right after xfce started, then look at what makes sense | 12:40 |
| n4dir | truth to be told: if it was me i would just mount devices from the terminal | 12:40 |
| n4dir | or just wait, many xfce users around | 12:40 |
| librebeowulf | ok thanks | 12:41 |
| n4dir | usually if i need what xfce "just works", i exit fluxbox, fire up xfce and do it from there. Doesn't help you at all, just explaining why i don't really know the details. | 12:43 |
| buZz | n4dir: what doesnt work in fluxbox vs xfce? | 12:45 |
| n4dir | buZz: i do it so seldom, i don't even remember. For sure i had problems "mounting" the smartphone | 12:45 |
| buZz | ah | 12:45 |
| n4dir | also i think something with "synaptic" | 12:46 |
| n4dir | to put it different: running a gui apps which needs root rights | 12:47 |
| epony | Happy Christ Nativity! | 12:47 |
| librebeowulf | right i almost forgot, merry Christmas .｡❅*⋆⍋*∞*｡*∞*⍋⋆*❅｡. | 12:56 |
| epony | party begins now ;-) | 13:01 |
| librebeowulf | pmount doesn't work with exfat :( | 13:09 |
| cousin_luigi | Why isn't /var/log/boot a text file? | 16:35 |
| debdog | what do you expect from a log file made by bootlogd? | 16:43 |
| cousin_luigi | debdog: What tool am I supposed to use on it? | 17:04 |
| debdog | cousin_luigi: no clue, I don't even have that file. but the bootlogd package has a file /usr/bin/readbootlog | 17:06 |
| debdog | https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/bootlogd/filelist | 17:06 |
| movedMacBook | hey dev1 folks, merry christmas, advance happy new year and happy holidays... thanks for the awesome safeguarding init freedom | 17:11 |
| movedMacBook | thanks to fsmithred and few folks here who helped me hop on to dev1... as i was playing around DEs and got comfy with one, i thought i'll do a final minimal reinstall of packages with netinstall this time rather than full big desktop image of size 4 GB .. i think i see a major difference in expert install mode on desktop image vs the expert install | 17:20 |
| movedMacBook | mode of netinstall... the disk partioner in netinstall does not allow me to chose ext4 or xfs partition type in my disks but the partitioner in the desktop image allowed me to do so .. | 17:20 |
| buZz | movedMacBook: maybe because they initially had no partitions? | 17:22 |
| buZz | it wont allow you to reformat partitions you plan to use 'as is' | 17:22 |
| movedMacBook | i am not sure if it is intended.. just wanted to report this. coz as i thought this is for experienced users and as i already chose the expert install mode in the desktop image during my previous dev1 installation | 17:22 |
| buZz | you'd have to delete the partitions first | 17:22 |
| debdog | cousin_luigi: cannot find an alternative to bootlogd right now. some sites mention /var/log/boot.log but no clue what prog or service writes that file. | 17:22 |
| movedMacBook | i deleted the partitions and then created the partitions... | 17:22 |
| buZz | ah, ok | 17:22 |
| movedMacBook | then i trued to choose the boot flags and then setup mount points as i did earlier.. | 17:23 |
| movedMacBook | those options just doesnt show.. | 17:23 |
| buZz | so you ment , the debian textmode installer behaves differently from the x11 gui installer from refracta? | 17:23 |
| movedMacBook | nope.. | 17:23 |
| buZz | they are both the x11 gui one? | 17:23 |
| movedMacBook | i always did debian textmode installer | 17:23 |
| buZz | oh ok | 17:23 |
| buZz | bizar then, there shouldnt be a difference i think | 17:23 |
| movedMacBook | always did expert installtion mode from the 4 GB desktop image... | 17:23 |
| buZz | maybe it requires the xfs stuff to be preinstalled on the image you're installing from | 17:24 |
| movedMacBook | but this time i chose netinstall image | 17:24 |
| buZz | and the netinstall doesnt? | 17:24 |
| movedMacBook | yes... | 17:24 |
| buZz | that would explain it then :) | 17:24 |
| movedMacBook | seems to be.. | 17:24 |
| movedMacBook | may be its on desktop-live image | 17:24 |
| movedMacBook | as well.. | 17:24 |
| buZz | could be, yeah | 17:25 |
| movedMacBook | and these are on the stable images and not weekly builds as i wanted to test them a bit.. | 17:26 |
| movedMacBook | about 2 years or so i did a netinstall of debian... i remember being able to chose most diff partition types there... not sure why isnt is there in dev1 though | 17:27 |
| debdog | you missed loading some module | 17:28 |
| movedMacBook | was it addresssed to me debdog? | 17:29 |
| debdog | yes movedMacBook. we got several people mention that problem lately | 17:31 |
| movedMacBook | hmm.. seems like you addressed me.. even if reboot the machine and to reload all files and packages from the USB.. even then i just get ext2, fat16,32 and swap in the disk partitioner | 17:31 |
| movedMacBook | interesting.. | 17:31 |
| movedMacBook | so that seems like a bug rather than a usual workflow.. | 17:32 |
| debdog | last night: <spine-o-saurus> oh ya i missed the install step to load modules <-- movedMacBook | 17:32 |
| movedMacBook | let me reboot to see if the installer loads all necessary packages from the netinstall USB | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | check sha256sum to make sure the file downloaded correctly | 17:33 |
| movedMacBook | ooh.. yeah there is such a step | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | netinstall has same installer as the desktop dvd | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | all the installer isos | 17:33 |
| movedMacBook | how stupid of me.. | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | btw, regular install and expert install give the exact same partitioner | 17:34 |
| movedMacBook | i thought there needs to be reboot... but i after setting up language i just jumped into disk partionion | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | you can do manual partitioning with either | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | oh | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | afk | 17:35 |
| movedMacBook | so i loaded the modules - and all else works well - so silly of me being the expert installer after installing about 3 times via desktop image | 17:37 |
| cousin_luigi | debdog: That wasn't my question. | 17:51 |
| cousin_luigi | oh | 17:51 |
| cousin_luigi | debdog: Yes, it works. I'm just not sure about the choice itself. | 17:52 |
| debdog | yes, that's why I was looking for an alternative, cousin_luigi | 17:53 |
| cousin_luigi | debdog: I mean, why does it have to produce a non-text file? | 18:24 |
| rwp | cousin_luigi, /var/log/boot is not a text file because (insert swearing and cussing here) people want color escape codes everywhere including the console! You can pass the -R option to less and view it. "less -R /var/log/boot". Without -R less will still work but will display the raw characters using caret notation. | 18:26 |
| rwp | In other words, the console log is a log of what went to the console, and what goes to the console is not just text but also escape sequences for terminal positioning with curses and also changing colors and that all gets logged and those are not text. | 18:29 |
| cousin_luigi | I see | 18:29 |
| cousin_luigi | Apparently my troubles with interfaces at shutdown are triggered by the bridge script. But they might originate from badly formed interface definitions. | 18:30 |
| cousin_luigi | I got most of it out of a serial log. | 18:30 |
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