| not-demindiro | From what I gather I need to create a Devuan ISO for arm64 by myself? If yes, does anyone have instructions to do so at hand? (It's for a Hetzner VPS) | 18:12 |
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| Xenguy | not-demindiro, Have you looked at https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 18:31 |
| Xenguy | ? | 18:31 |
| buZz | the arm downloads are a bit hard to find on that , or used to be | 18:32 |
| Xenguy | Search for 'embedded' on the page | 18:32 |
| buZz | its -in the text- under > Installation Media for amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386 and ppc64el | 18:32 |
| buZz | NOT in the links below to all mirrors | 18:33 |
| buZz | which imho is hella confusing | 18:33 |
| buZz | when the whole world basically want to stop the legacy of x86 and move to ARM | 18:33 |
| buZz | :) | 18:33 |
| Xenguy | buZz, You're not the first, duly noted : -) | 18:33 |
| buZz | i'm the one why the link is even on that page | 18:33 |
| buZz | i didnt like the vague link, but at least its SOME link | 18:34 |
| Xenguy | But actually a search for 'ARM' on the page also works | 18:34 |
| buZz | sure, but shouldnt be needed imho | 18:34 |
| buZz | -imho- they should just be inside https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_daedalus/ | 18:35 |
| buZz | etc | 18:35 |
| Xenguy | buZz, i.e. included on the existing ISO's, I see... | 18:51 |
| buZz | Xenguy: yeah imho 'iso' is already legacy stuff | 18:51 |
| buZz | who on earth uses cdroms anymore :D | 18:51 |
| Xenguy | I don't recall why they were not already, or if there was discussion about that; one would think there must have been... | 18:52 |
| Xenguy | ISO format is not tied to CDROM's of course, and many if not most folks probably use USB keys | 18:52 |
| Xenguy | Is there another more modern format that would be preferable? | 18:52 |
| buZz | ISO9660 isnt tied to cdroms? :D | 18:55 |
| Xenguy | Historically yes, but in practice no. Again, is there an alternative format that you believe to be preferable? | 18:58 |
| buZz | well .img :) just a raw fs | 19:00 |
| buZz | no i have no suggestion about a better route | 19:00 |
| buZz | i just find it legacy :) and only 'forced to use' by the legacy of x86 being pushed upon the globe out of commercial interests | 19:01 |
| Xenguy | I cannot disagree | 19:08 |
| Xenguy | I need to tear down now, so take care and TTYL | 19:08 |
| DelTomix | buZz: yeah I agree about img over iso. I've been thinking on adding it as an available format | 19:34 |
| buZz | DelTomix: and about not having ARM images on mirrors? | 19:34 |
| DelTomix | I've not really looked into the mirrors much - I think onefang would be the one to raise it with - but sounds like it would make sense these days | 19:36 |
| DelTomix | I'll bring it up at the next meet | 19:41 |
| buZz | <3 thanks | 19:41 |
| golinux | buZz: The arm images are not 'official' but community provided. That's is why they are not on the official list | 19:42 |
| buZz | right | 19:43 |
| buZz | golinux: thats a route for improvement then :D | 19:43 |
| golinux | And why arm support in not under Devuan on Dev1Galaxy | 19:43 |
| buZz | i mean, there wont be LESS people watching for arm versions in the future | 19:44 |
| buZz | it will only continue increasing | 19:44 |
| buZz | and on any issue -finding- the arm images, they'll just jump to another distro | 19:44 |
| DelTomix | yes - and if its available it should be visible | 19:45 |
| buZz | its been available since day0 :D | 19:45 |
| buZz | it 'is' visible, but hard to find, imho | 19:45 |
| DelTomix | right | 19:47 |
| rustyaxe | buZz: the whole world wants to move to arm? lol | 19:49 |
| golinux | Unless the status of the ARM images changes from community to official, they won't be promoted on our 'official' channels. I don;t even know who would be making that decision as there are so few of us trying to keep things together . . . | 19:49 |
| golinux | And that is not within the scope of this channel | 19:51 |
| buZz | rustyaxe: looking at 'internet connected devices' by cpu, the world already did | 19:51 |
| DelTomix | would that be rather weighted by mobile/tablet universe though? | 19:52 |
| DelTomix | I guess lots of routers and appliances also | 19:53 |
| golinux | The industry will get hooks into you however they can . . . | 19:53 |
| golinux | Regardless . . . if and until someone steps up to keep the arm images up-to-date and reliable, it will remain a community project. | 19:56 |
| adam_free2air | well, for 3 years now I've been offering reliable and up to date nightly Raspberry Pi images for close to 3 years with images for all hardware variants together with signed stable versions (except for daedalus, which is planned soon after some RPi5 testing). | 20:23 |
| golinux | Yes, and thank you adam_free2air . . . but are the other arm images are reliably maintained as yours? | 20:26 |
| golinux | Sorry that's a little garbled . . . | 20:27 |
| adam_free2air | but the full arm landscape is vast and not as standardised. there is no easy way to provide boot images that will work out of the box for the majority of the universe of arm platforms. | 20:27 |
| adam_free2air | to the best of my knowledge, no. none of the others have been regularly updated. | 20:28 |
| adam_free2air | but maybe the structure and positioning of the arm pages should be reconsidered .... | 20:29 |
| golinux | So perhaps the Raspberry Pi should be singled out for 'official' status'? | 20:29 |
| nemo | hm. annoying. if openjdk-11-jdk is already installed, apt installing it doesn't shift it to manual to protect it from dist-upgrade | 20:29 |
| * nemo looks up the apt mark syntax | 20:29 | |
| adam_free2air | golinux: i would support that. | 20:30 |
| nemo | eep! that was not it | 20:30 |
| nemo | dist-upgrade wants to remove it anyway. how do I protect this package? | 20:30 |
| golinux | adam_free2air: That might be the best solution! | 20:31 |
| DelTomix | places where there are "unofficial" things available can be mentioned | 20:31 |
| DelTomix | the point is not to have to go digging for it | 20:31 |
| golinux | But the reliable and up-to-date RPI images should not be lumped in with the out-of-date and experimental stuff. | 20:33 |
| golinux | Both our ideas a valid | 20:34 |
| adam_free2air | DelTomix: perhaps not well expressed, but exactly what i meant above with re-evaluating "positioning". | 20:34 |
| golinux | a > are | 20:34 |
| DelTomix | yes totally agree adam_free2air | 20:34 |
| adam_free2air | golinux: indeed. maybe to come up with a lightweight minimum commitment or process to move to officialdom :) | 20:35 |
| adam_free2air | something that gives people with motivation the right directions to head in for each platform. | 20:36 |
| golinux | Sounds good to me. | 20:36 |
| golinux | and adam | 20:37 |
| golinux | -free2air has certainly set the bar | 20:38 |
| golinux | It would take some rearranging of www and also location of the image downloads. | 20:41 |
| golinux | adam_free2air: Can you possibly come to the meet next week and/or put something on the pad for discussion | 20:43 |
| golinux | ? | 20:43 |
| adam_free2air | certainly on pad & will speak to setto too, but unfortunately may not be able to attend, or might be able to but late in meeting. | 21:13 |
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