| uvos | Wizzup: parazyd: problem with charge-mode randomly not starting on mapphones should be fixed | 00:24 |
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| Wizzup | uvos: any idea since when wifi feels worse for you? | 00:56 |
| Wizzup | uvos: the main thing I changed was how we scan | 01:07 |
| bencoh | is it expected that most (every?) app trying to use opengl on droid4 somehow fails to load the omapdrm dri lib? http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=m36820789 | 01:37 |
| bencoh | (should I install gl4es, or set some obscure envvar?) | 01:37 |
| Wizzup | uvos: we should make a ticket for organic maps if it doesn't exist | 01:53 |
| * Wizzup zz | 01:53 | |
| Daanct12 | Good morning, Aikon users | 02:38 |
| Daanct12 | Or droid users :) | 02:39 |
| shentey | Setting up connui-conndlgs-internet (2.79.3+2m7.1) ... | 06:20 |
| shentey | Setting up hildon-input-method:armhf (1:2.1.60-1+2m7.1) ... | 06:20 |
| shentey | Setting up libicd-network-wpasupplicant (0.1.7+2m7) .. | 06:20 |
| shentey | Leaving 'diversion of /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1.service to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1.service.diverted by libicd-network-wpasupplicant' | 06:21 |
| shentey | with beowulf-devel | 06:21 |
| mighty17[m] | you need to get your vol kets working > @uvos yep they are gpio keys but isn't having a icon in a corner just better anyways (like phosh has) | 06:38 |
| Wizzup | shentey: what about it? | 07:31 |
| shentey | oh this wasnt the problem | 08:07 |
| shentey | modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/5.11.0/modules.dep.bin' | 08:07 |
| shentey | modprobe: FATAL: Module usb_f_mass_storage not found in directory /lib/modules/5.11.0 | 08:07 |
| shentey | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of hildon-meta-droid4: hildon-meta-droid4 depends on hildon-meta; however: | 08:08 |
| shentey | Package hildon-meta is not configured yet. | 08:08 |
| uvos | Wizzup: yeah the scanning behavior is exactly the problem. like i start my hotspot on my other device and then go into the connection selection dialog and previously it found the new network allmost immidiatly because a scann started when i opend the dialog, now it dosent show up until later | 08:48 |
| uvos | Wizzup: if i missclick some other network and then cancle at the WPA key entry the dialog is empty once i reopen it | 08:48 |
| uvos | Wizzup: it used to be that a scann started immidatly and the dialog started repopulating | 08:49 |
| uvos | now it just sits empty | 08:49 |
| uvos | if a connection fails the connection is removed from the dialog (why dose this happen anyways it should not...) | 08:49 |
| shentey | usb-storage will be nice | 08:49 |
| uvos | this used to not be a problem because the device picked up the network again allmost immidiatly | 08:50 |
| uvos | but now the network again is just gone for a long time | 08:50 |
| uvos | Wizzup: tldr: its not scanning when it should | 08:50 |
| uvos | the problem started occuring with the recent condialgo icd updates | 08:51 |
| uvos | i cant say when exactly sorry | 08:51 |
| uvos | i wasent using the deivce in ernest at that time | 08:52 |
| shentey | i resolved wifi issues by setting up an openwrt router in the same room | 08:53 |
| uvos | shentey: d4? | 08:54 |
| shentey | yes | 08:54 |
| shentey | ironically it recently works with both routers | 08:54 |
| uvos | shentey: try maserati-callibrate as root | 08:54 |
| uvos | inittaly it wasent callibrated | 08:54 |
| shentey | Calibration already perfomed | 08:54 |
| uvos | ok | 08:55 |
| uvos | after that happend your range increased | 08:55 |
| shentey | thanks to whomever made that | 08:55 |
| uvos | me | 08:55 |
| uvos | or well ti | 08:55 |
| uvos | i integrated it to leste | 08:55 |
| shentey | thank you uvos | 08:55 |
| uvos | you can also increase range by setting your wifi region like this `iw reg set $(your contry code)` | 08:56 |
| uvos | then it uses more tx power | 08:56 |
| uvos | (maybe depends on where you are) | 08:56 |
| uvos | if you set it to us you get another 2x range about | 08:56 |
| shentey | i have no chance of interfering with other users | 08:56 |
| shentey | iw is in package "iw" not "wireless-tools" | 08:57 |
| shentey | that's new to me | 08:57 |
| uvos | just debian things | 08:58 |
| shentey | for the logs "iw reg get" shows the current domain information | 09:00 |
| Wizzup | uvos: so it doesn't actually lead the problems connecting to a network, but it leads to problems when trying to do that manually | 09:49 |
| Wizzup | I think it might have to do with when the scanning results are returned by wpa_supplicant | 09:50 |
| uvos | Wizzup: i also think that its failing to connect more | 09:55 |
| uvos | Wizzup: but that might just be becaue i notice it more because of the added frustraion of not being able to try again | 09:55 |
| Wizzup | uvos: I'll try to take a look, I know what might cause that | 10:11 |
| Wizzup | I think | 10:11 |
| uvos | Wizzup: ok the click on other WPA2 network and cancle at pw entry is the easiest to repo | 10:12 |
| shentey | is hildon-meta broken for any of you? (with -devel) | 10:18 |
| shentey | ah reinstall seems to have fixed. sorry. | 10:18 |
| shentey | uvos: on droid4, is there a way to use iwconfig? or wavmon? not finding an interface. | 10:23 |
| uvos | iwconfig is obsolete dont use it | 10:24 |
| shentey | how should i continuously log/monitor connection strength from command line? | 10:25 |
| uvos | iw dev wlan0 link | 10:28 |
| uvos | or there is a dbus signal from icd2 too | 10:28 |
| shentey | ty | 10:29 |
| bencoh | for those looking for some kind of youtube interface (to replace the bloated web version), pipe-viewer is awesome / and it works pretty well on droid4+maemo :) | 11:26 |
| bencoh | it's a perl program and builds easily ... I dunno how to package it (yet?) but I think it'd be worth it | 11:27 |
| shentey | mpv plays youtube urls directly - does pipe viewer provide something beyond that? | 11:34 |
| shentey | ah browsing / searching / stats - like mpsyt but not python | 11:35 |
| bencoh | yeah | 11:40 |
| bencoh | mpsyt is nice as well, but it requires a google api key, btw (the default one is overused) | 11:40 |
| shentey | thanks for the tip | 11:40 |
| bencoh | oh and, pipe-viewer also has a gtk3 frontend (apart from the commandline one) | 11:40 |
| uvos | gtk3 is generally the worst toolkit on maemo atm | 11:41 |
| uvos | no integration and the stupid client side decorations | 11:41 |
| bencoh | tbh the slow / highcpu scrolling issue bothers me more than the decorations | 11:42 |
| bencoh | but you're kinda right I guess | 11:43 |
| uvos | thats the d4s fault | 11:43 |
| bencoh | yeah | 11:43 |
| uvos | not the toolkit | 11:43 |
| uvos | the pvr driver/xorg copys every frame with the cpu to main ram and then to vram and back | 11:43 |
| uvos | so everything is slow as hell | 11:43 |
| shentey | thanks for the tip | 11:44 |
| bencoh | even uxterm scrolling during some apt install makes Xorg use ~50% cpu | 11:44 |
| bencoh | which is awfuly sad | 11:44 |
| uvos | even es2gears uses 100% cpu and gets like 20fps | 11:44 |
| shentey | oops can this be bypassed with mplayer, vlc, sdl | 11:44 |
| bencoh | shentey: mpv in fullscreen has no issue | 11:44 |
| shentey | which backend? | 11:44 |
| bencoh | they probably bypass compositing in fullscreen | 11:44 |
| bencoh | vo=x11 | 11:44 |
| uvos | bypassing composing helps some | 11:45 |
| bencoh | oh right, I'll have to paste my mpv config as well, I think it might be useful for others | 11:45 |
| uvos | but its not the root of the problem | 11:45 |
| shentey | maybe to wiki also | 11:45 |
| bencoh | uvos: right, but I'm still considering disabling compositing for uxterm windows as a workaround | 11:45 |
| bencoh | (not sure it would work with windowed stuff though) | 11:45 |
| uvos | bencoh: ctrl-shift-n | 11:45 |
| uvos | disables composing on any window | 11:45 |
| bencoh | seriously? <3 | 11:46 |
| uvos | yes | 11:46 |
| shentey | ctrl-shift-n dropped movie playback xorg from 67% cpu to 25% cpu with 960x540, 24fps movie | 11:48 |
| uvos | yes for cpu drawn stuff (like video atm) this makes the path work correctly | 11:48 |
| uvos | gles stuff is broken either way | 11:48 |
| bencoh | :( | 11:49 |
| shentey | the fullscreen sdl fix (-vo sdl) seems to work also | 11:49 |
| bencoh | can you compare sdl vs x11? | 11:49 |
| shentey | numbers vary in time. with this film one sample is x11: mplayer 55%, xorg 22% sdl: mplayer 65%, xorg 23% | 11:54 |
| shentey | thanks uvos ctrl-shift-n is a great improvement | 11:55 |
| shentey | mpv 70%, xorg 38% | 11:59 |
| bencoh | shentey: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=f66ce4b1b this might be of some interest to you | 12:00 |
| bencoh | it's not the latest version, but it's close enough | 12:01 |
| shentey | thanks | 12:02 |
| shentey | that seems to be .mplayer/config ? | 12:03 |
| bencoh | both | 12:04 |
| shentey | do you suspend/kill pulseaudio for media playback? | 12:04 |
| bencoh | I don't | 12:04 |
| bencoh | Oh, right, I don't use ao=alsa on maemo | 12:04 |
| bencoh | that was plain devuan | 12:04 |
| bencoh | you should remove the alsa-related lines | 12:05 |
| shentey | mplayer won't play with that | 12:08 |
| shentey | but thanks, interesting params to learn about | 12:08 |
| shentey | does threads=8 make sense on omap4 bencoh ? | 12:09 |
| shentey | this is the line that breaks my mplayer: framedrop=decoder+vo | 12:13 |
| bencoh | shentey: sorry if this wasn't clear, but there are two config files there | 12:41 |
| bencoh | the first part is for mplayer, the second for mpv | 12:42 |
| bencoh | as for threads=8, I thought it was probably too high as well when I looked back at it; but it should still be higher than just 2 (the number of cores) anyway | 12:42 |
| shentey | ok thanks :) | 12:43 |
| mighty17[m] | can we pls remove `PVR_K:(Error): PVRMMapRemoveRegisteredArea: psOffsetStruct 0x8e41bc47 for memory area 0x0x02b98c45 is still mapped; psOffsetStruct->ui32Mapped 1 [1754, rivers/gpu/drm/pvrsgx/1.9.2253347/services4/srvkm/env/linux/mmap.c]` its making the dmesg a mess | 13:07 |
| mighty17[m] | and hard for me to debug other features | 13:07 |
| shentey | tapping the brightness control applet gives random brightness levels | 14:04 |
| shentey | the ui could have two large buttons for brighter or darker, instead of 5 levels | 14:04 |
| Wizzup | shentey: what if you tap twice? | 14:12 |
| bencoh | to me it felt like I had to slide it to get the proper level | 14:13 |
| uvos | Wizzup: its just slightly broken in leste mce, when you tap in it takes the hightest brighness of the profile | 14:13 |
| shentey | sometimes it stays the same, sometimes it changes to either very dark or very light | 14:13 |
| uvos | and then once als gets the next value it changes to the right value in the profile | 14:13 |
| uvos | its a simple fix i have in the cmake tree | 14:13 |
| Wizzup | uvos: is that in mce or in the gtk scrollbar ui? | 14:13 |
| uvos | mce | 14:13 |
| Wizzup | oh | 14:14 |
| Wizzup | that's silly | 14:14 |
| uvos | hmm? | 14:14 |
| Wizzup | I thought it was a gtk problem | 14:14 |
| uvos | no | 14:14 |
| uvos | was my fault | 14:15 |
| bencoh | oh, hm ... | 14:16 |
| uvos | i mean there is a bug in the gtk scollbar too | 14:19 |
| uvos | scrubbing and taping the bar is not the same | 14:19 |
| uvos | so that causes wierdness to | 14:20 |
| uvos | but thats nonwithstanding of the mce bug | 14:20 |
| Wizzup | check | 14:21 |
| rafael2k | is the crypto stuff all included in the kernel? I get some missing algorithms when trying to mount the PostMarketOS in the eMMC of my pinephone. | 14:22 |
| bencoh | with cryptsetup? probably | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | stuff for LUKS you mean? | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | modprobe configs | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | zgrep CONFIG_FOO /proc/config.gz | 14:23 |
| rafael2k | yes, with cryptsetup | 14:23 |
| bencoh | well, it comes from the kernel, at least. I dunno if it's properly enabled | 14:23 |
| rafael2k | LUKS, yes | 14:23 |
| parazyd | Yeah we don't include all crypto algorithms afaik | 14:23 |
| rafael2k | just a sec, just installed the latest update, lemme check again | 14:24 |
| uvos | parazyd: while your at it CONFIG_TUN=m pls | 14:24 |
| parazyd | Also this'd be nice to do sometime: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/319 | 14:24 |
| uvos | parazyd: not that i use leste kernel anyhow but if i did id need tun :P | 14:25 |
| parazyd | uvos: Sure thing | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | as far as I am concerned we can enable a lot more modules | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | they just use up some sd card space | 14:25 |
| parazyd | Yeah | 14:25 |
| parazyd | Debian enables almost all of it on x86 | 14:25 |
| parazyd | Perhaps we could too | 14:25 |
| parazyd | But I'd like to do the fragments mentioned above | 14:25 |
| uvos | sure sounds good | 14:26 |
| uvos | tun can wait for that | 14:26 |
| parazyd | So we'd have crypto, netfilter, anbox, etc. All kinds of different configs | 14:26 |
| rafael2k | (of course I can compile my kernel too, but having all crypto stuff already there would not hurt, at least in devices with plenty of space, as the PP) | 14:26 |
| uvos | even on n900 its no big deal | 14:27 |
| Wizzup | not sure if we want *all*, but useful stuff at least | 14:27 |
| Wizzup | (upgrades can get big) | 14:27 |
| Wizzup | unrelated as compiling with thumb2? | 14:27 |
| Wizzup | s/as/are we/ | 14:28 |
| rafael2k | hum, after apt-get update / upgrade and reboot, no wifi | 14:28 |
| rafael2k | :( | 14:28 |
| rafael2k | I realized some wifi stuff was upgraded... | 14:28 |
| Wizzup | this is becoming uncannily common | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | did you upgrade everything? | 14:29 |
| rafael2k | ok, manually selecting my wifi network it worked | 14:29 |
| uvos | yeah it dosent scann | 14:29 |
| rafael2k | but did not connect automatically | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | it does for me, maybe it's just the first that fails and you noticed | 14:30 |
| rafael2k | (before was working fine thou) | 14:30 |
| uvos | for some reason scanning is broken in several instances | 14:30 |
| uvos | it will scann eventually if you wait | 14:30 |
| Wizzup | can you file a bug? | 14:30 |
| rafael2k | may be it was a one off error | 14:30 |
| uvos | rafael2k: no there are several ways to bring it back | 14:30 |
| uvos | (eg select a network that you have no WPA2 key for and then cancle the connect at the pw entry) | 14:31 |
| rafael2k | # Userspace crypto wrapper cannot use aes-xts-plain64 (-95). | 14:31 |
| rafael2k | this is the error when cryptosettuping my PMOS partition ^ | 14:31 |
| bencoh | funny, I had to add that one at $job not so long ago | 14:31 |
| bencoh | (aiui ~recent versions of cryptsetup added support for it, or started using it by default) | 14:32 |
| rafael2k | also some strange messages when running cryptsetup with --debug: # Not enough physical memory detected, PBKDF max memory decreased from 1048576kB to 986474kB. | 14:33 |
| rafael2k | but I think this is just verbosity | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | see what dmesg says | 14:33 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: will do bug reports from next week on | 14:33 |
| bencoh | you'll want CRYPTO_XTS | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | uvos: fwiw network connecting failing always lead to it disappearing for a bit, that's not new with the code changes | 14:34 |
| rafael2k | nothing on dmesg | 14:34 |
| uvos | Wizzup: yes but the time for it to come back is mutch longer now | 14:34 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: yeah, I'm not on -devel afaict, and I see network scanning "issues" from time to time | 14:34 |
| rafael2k | concerning network stuff - may be I just has no patience to wait enough for auto connection... | 14:34 |
| Wizzup | uvos: ok, so maybe scans take longer is what you mean? | 14:34 |
| uvos | Wizzup: it just dosent scann in cases it used to | 14:35 |
| rafael2k | I will reboot again, and see | 14:35 |
| uvos | Wizzup: all connections dissapearing when you cancle pw entry is not new either | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | I think we get all the scan results once the scan is done, as opposed to in real time | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | but that's just a guess | 14:35 |
| uvos | Wizzup: but it used to trigger a scan once you open the dialog | 14:35 |
| uvos | Wizzup: now you just get a empty dialg for minutes | 14:35 |
| bencoh | I think that's how wpa_supplicant (or at least wpa_cli) works, yeah | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | minutes? | 14:35 |
| uvos | (untill the next auto rescann) | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | that's not good for sure | 14:35 |
| uvos | yeah at least 60 seconds | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | I wonder if that was related to connui changes rather than icd2 | 14:36 |
| rafael2k | but certainly something changed concerning the network - in the past (before this apt upgrade I did) was better | 14:37 |
| rafael2k | bencoh: tks, that is it - CRYPTO_XTS | 14:38 |
| rafael2k | 2 min - no auto connection to my home wifi yet | 14:40 |
| rafael2k | 4min | 14:42 |
| rafael2k | I think something broken in latest connui / icd or mce, dunno, but it is not automatically connecting to wifi anymore | 14:43 |
| buZz | rafael2k: by chance, did you recently upgrade this leste install? | 14:44 |
| buZz | and are you on -devel? | 14:44 |
| rafael2k | buZz: how to check this? | 14:44 |
| rafael2k | I just apt-get update / upgrade it today | 14:45 |
| buZz | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep devel | 14:45 |
| buZz | iirc | 14:45 |
| rafael2k | btw, in the first tap to the networks, it is all greyed out | 14:45 |
| rafael2k | then in the second tap, my network appears | 14:45 |
| buZz | i recently upgraded mine, and all opening of icd's wifi list showed me zero networks | 14:45 |
| rafael2k | deb https://maedevu.maemo.org/leste beowulf-devel main contrib non-free lima pinephone | 14:46 |
| buZz | wpasupplicant still worked fine on its own though | 14:46 |
| buZz | ended up just reinstalling | 14:46 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: the auto connect is every 5 minutes, is it not? | 14:46 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: I waited more than 5min | 14:47 |
| Wizzup | buZz: I do not think he is seeing the problem you had | 14:47 |
| buZz | right, ok | 14:47 |
| buZz | just curious | 14:47 |
| uvos | Wizzup: auto connect dosent work for me at all either anymore | 14:47 |
| buZz | if rafael2k sees networks at all, it doesnt sound similar :P | 14:47 |
| uvos | Wizzup: it dose autoscann in the background | 14:47 |
| Wizzup | weird, I know auto connected worked the other day for me | 14:47 |
| uvos | Wizzup: but it wont try to connect | 14:47 |
| uvos | just tried it | 14:48 |
| rafael2k | buZz: my install is from ascii times... already old | 14:48 |
| uvos | for last 10 minutes | 14:48 |
| buZz | heh | 14:48 |
| Wizzup | uvos: what I mean is that it did, for me | 14:48 |
| uvos | ok | 14:48 |
| uvos | dosent seem to work here atm | 14:48 |
| Wizzup | not saying the bug is not there, but just added that it is not universailly broken on -devel | 14:48 |
| uvos | yeah i think i have seen it work to with the latest devel icd | 14:49 |
| uvos | but its not working reliably anymore | 14:49 |
| Wizzup | I guess it will require some debugging to see if scans fail to start, for some reason, or something else is up | 14:49 |
| uvos | the behavior with what happens when it fails the first time might have changed | 14:49 |
| uvos | just guessing | 14:49 |
| uvos | or the scannin behavior yeah | 14:49 |
| uvos | fixing the scanning stuff first is easyiest probubly becuase you can trigger it immidatly | 14:50 |
| rafael2k | https://github.com/maemo-leste/icd2/commit/b40bef1311d821465f595419e77d233ef7680644 | 14:54 |
| rafael2k | ^^ | 14:54 |
| rafael2k | I can only see this in icd2... | 14:54 |
| Wizzup | icd2 has plugins | 14:55 |
| rafael2k | hummm, right | 14:55 |
| bencoh | is the autoconnect requested by icd2, or is it based on wpasupplicant's internal autoconnect mechanism? | 14:55 |
| Wizzup | fmg knows best | 14:56 |
| Wizzup | in any case, it's likely related to the scan code, maybe I just missed something | 14:56 |
| Wizzup | I changed it recently to scan using the socket control interface rather than dbus, due to missing func in dbus | 14:57 |
| Wizzup | (all of thi sfor hidden APs ;-)) | 14:57 |
| rafael2k | haven hidden APs is good, but no autoconnect is bad | 15:01 |
| rafael2k | :P | 15:01 |
| uvos | idk | 15:02 |
| uvos | having hidden aps encurages people to use the feature... but they really should not | 15:02 |
| bencoh | :] | 15:03 |
| rafael2k | things got strange, after some time, when i tap in the connection manager - the networks are all grayed out, then when I tap again just after - it is all there normally | 15:05 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: yes, also a known bug that was fixed in some ways, but not fully | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | I don't have the problem since I also have the modem code running | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | which returns right away | 15:19 |
| uvos | icd2 sound like fun | 17:02 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: regarding that trace, you can go back to 5.10 this bug is not there | 17:02 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: we dont want to spend time fixing it because its a dead end anyhow | 17:02 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: i personally just commented the error print out in the driver | 17:03 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: if you like you could bisect between 5.11 and 5.10 while carrying pvr to find why this happens | 17:03 |
| mighty17[m] | Lol, so i'll comment it out as well then | 17:03 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: its a real error though | 17:03 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: with real effects | 17:03 |
| mighty17[m] | what effects? | 17:04 |
| uvos | mighty17[m]: if you can spare the time it would be of great help if you could bisect it | 17:04 |
| uvos | pvr is unstable | 17:04 |
| mighty17[m] | i mean we could check the commits between 5.10 and 5.11 | 17:04 |
| uvos | right checkout git bisect | 17:04 |
| uvos | regaring a button to open the kbd, sure you are welcome to add a patch that optinally tiggers the keyboard on some button in the title bar or better via some gesture | 17:06 |
| uvos | rn it only works with hw keys | 17:07 |
| uvos | i implemented like that because the only device i have that needs this has plenty of extra hw keys (motorola bionic) | 17:08 |
| sicelo | wifi autoconnect works fine on my d4. It's manual connect that's almost unusable | 17:08 |
| sicelo | *for me | 17:08 |
| mighty17[m] | rn it only works with hw keys > ah okay makes sense considering the devices u have | 18:42 |
| jk000 | passing by just to say hi! :) | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | hi hi | 23:06 |
| jk000 | hope things are going smooth for Leste, can't wait for the net blog/nes post! | 23:07 |
| jk000 | next ... news | 23:07 |
| Wizzup | yeah, we should do that soon | 23:08 |
| uvos | nes post = leste on nes confimed? | 23:09 |
| jk000 | hehe | 23:09 |
| Wizzup | uvos: hl3 running on leste on nes | 23:10 |
| uvos | pff you should aim higher | 23:10 |
| uvos | :P | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | hehe | 23:11 |
| uvos | but jeah we should have more news posts | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | I think our goals are high enough aims tbh ;) | 23:11 |
| uvos | i say "should" in the loosesed sense here | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | yeah, parazyd and I have a list of things that changed to be in the news post | 23:11 |
| uvos | they are a large drain on your time i imagine | 23:11 |
| Wizzup | it's not too bad tbh | 23:11 |
| uvos | ok | 23:11 |
| * Wizzup bbiab :-) | 23:11 | |
| jk000 | hehe which software do you use in leste to check e-mails? I tried sylpheed and it is ok but I hope for something better | 23:15 |
| uvos | trojita | 23:18 |
| uvos | i ported this a bit | 23:18 |
| uvos | to be touch frendly | 23:18 |
| uvos | there are some rough edges still | 23:19 |
| uvos | but it works | 23:19 |
| jk000 | ok, I'll try it out. I wish I was skillfull enough to use a TUI for e-mails | 23:26 |
| uvos | trojita is gui | 23:30 |
| jk000 | jup, mutt is tui (: | 23:34 |
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