| uvos | Wizzup: i mean if its overly burdonsome a couple of visual glitches arnt a deal breaker | 10:01 |
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| javierm | hello folks, does anyone know if there's some doc to boot a mainline linux kernel and maemo (or any other user-space) on the N9? | 10:08 |
| javierm | I just found this https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N9 and https://wiki.maemo.org/Resurrect_your_N9#Firmware | 10:08 |
| javierm | I guess that can make my way from there, but just in case there was a more up-to-date guide that I missed | 10:08 |
| uvos | i dont think anyone has worked on n9 since then | 10:09 |
| uvos | theres a kernel fork on our git for it | 10:09 |
| uvos | that you can use as a base | 10:09 |
| uvos | but its really old | 10:09 |
| uvos | and last time it was tried it dident work (but this may be userspace issue too) | 10:09 |
| uvos | but really getting something going on n9 with modern kernel should not be too hard | 10:10 |
| rafael2k | how I miss my N950... | 10:11 |
| rafael2k | :/ | 10:11 |
| javierm | uvos: thanks, that's what I thought. I actually think that there should be good support in mainline by looking at the arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n9*.dts | 10:12 |
| uvos | javierm: sure some level of support is there, however its probable it has bit roted somewhat, as i dont think anyone uses or tests it | 10:13 |
| javierm | uvos: git log shows me that Sakari has landed some commits not that far ago (2020) so I'm hopeful :) | 10:14 |
| rafael2k | Is that applies to the N950 too? Is the hardware similar enough? | 10:17 |
| uvos | afaik yes | 10:18 |
| javierm | rafael2k: yes, the N950 and N9 have a common .dtsi file, they are quite similar | 10:19 |
| rafael2k | cool! | 10:19 |
| rafael2k | hey, which is the launch date for Leste-Chimaera? | 11:03 |
| rafael2k | For the PP, chimaera is already better | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: I think we have to agree on what to finish for it | 11:17 |
| Wizzup | the way I see it there's elogind issues and some extras are not yet ported | 11:17 |
| Wizzup | javierm: I also have a n9 here for leste purposes (never flashed it though), would be super cool if we could add support for it | 11:18 |
| javierm | Wizzup: cool | 11:31 |
| javierm | Wizzup: I remember your username from somehwere... but don't know from where | 11:31 |
| javierm | maybe we talked in the exynos channel a few years ago? | 11:32 |
| Wizzup | yeah, probably #linux-exynos :) | 11:34 |
| Wizzup | I created that some years ago after libv asked in fosdem (during his lima driver presentation) for some folks to start a wiki/irc channel like sunxi, so linux-exynos.org was born | 11:39 |
| Wizzup | btw, today is five years since we announced this project :) | 11:42 |
| bencoh | :) | 11:47 |
| sicelo | rafael2k: oh wow, you had N950? | 11:47 |
| bencoh | happy birthday leste :) | 11:47 |
| dsc_ | happy bday | 11:49 |
| freemangordon | re elogind - isn;t it ok to have consoletools (or whatever it was) pre-installed? | 11:57 |
| Wizzup | consolekit | 11:57 |
| Wizzup | I have to check if it is | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | yeah :) | 11:57 |
| Wizzup | it's not installed on beowulf either I think | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | I think it is | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | or gets installed when you need it | 11:57 |
| * freemangordon checks beowulf VM | 11:58 | |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: at least in my VM I have it installed | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | and given I have no idea what it is, it was not me to install it | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | so I guess it was pulled by apt at some point | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | why this does not happen on chimaera is another questio | 12:00 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: https://pastebin.com/sJy9Xzw6 | 12:00 |
| freemangordon | to me policykit-1 pulled it | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | could someone with beowulf device try to install policykit-1 (if it is not already there) and report wht apt wants to pull? | 12:02 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: I can try in a bit | 12:08 |
| Wizzup | if we agree we can release chimaera, I'll probably start writing up a post for it, and we can release it tomorrow or so, and I'll make sure we get some images built too | 12:09 |
| freemangordon | elogind issue is the only stopper, no? | 12:10 |
| freemangordon | oh, wait | 12:10 |
| freemangordon | we still have the issue on d4 with dist-upgrade | 12:10 |
| Wizzup | what dist-upgrade issue? | 12:11 |
| freemangordon | mapphone vs droid4 config | 12:12 |
| freemangordon | I think bencoh was the last to hit it | 12:12 |
| freemangordon | I hit it too while upgrading | 12:12 |
| Wizzup | I think this is only for -devel users | 12:12 |
| freemangordon | which is basically most of the users, no? | 12:13 |
| Wizzup | don't know if it is | 12:13 |
| Wizzup | feel free to look into it, I think it's absolutely debian FUBAR | 12:13 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: so you want me to install policykit-1 and reboot? | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | do not install it | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | just *try* to | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | to see what apt wants to pull in addition | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | this is on beowulf | 12:14 |
| Wizzup | ok, the real test of course is to see if the device still boots with it installed | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | on chimaera? | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | yes | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | policykit-1 : Depends: default-logind or | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | logind or | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | consolekit but it is not going to be installed | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | yes, this is the issue | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | what is 'this'? what I pasted? | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | try the same on beowulf | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | this is beowulf | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | ok, who installed consolekit then | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | probably you did? :) | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | the issue is that apt cannot decide which of the 2 packages to install | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | no | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | but we can depend on consolekit in hildon-base if we decide it's useful | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | and easily solve that problem for apt | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | however, I have consolekit in both beowulf and chimaera VMs and they boot fine | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | the questions are: (1) does that break stuff and (2) do we want that | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | ok | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | and does this let you install say blueman ? | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | I will install on my d4 too | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | at least it allowed me to install gparted | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | lemme try blueman in the VM | 12:17 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: installing consolekit in the VM allowed me to install blueman and gparted, VM survived a reboot | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | will try on my d4 no | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | *now | 12:22 |
| uvos | we dont really want to use consolekit | 12:24 |
| freemangordon | uvos: even as a stop-gap? | 12:25 |
| Wizzup | I'm curious as to why not @ consolekit, I used it for a long time, well, years ago :D | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: is it normal that blueman does not find any adaptors on d4? | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | IOW - yes, consolekit allowed me to install blueman on d4, now doing power-cycle of the device to see if everything still looks working | 12:29 |
| uvos | so i dont know what benefits logind has over consolekit (besides mulitseat being mutch easier to set up) | 12:31 |
| uvos | but everyone thought logind was better and switched to that | 12:31 |
| uvos | wich is exactly the problem | 12:31 |
| uvos | consolekit support is becomeing less common | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: yes, you must load module first | 12:31 |
| uvos | freemangordon: you need to modprobe the bluetooth driver by hand | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | uvos: ok, but RN we cannot support logind, what issues do you expect if we use consolekit as a stopgap? | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: but careful, this will eventually send the kernel into a constant warning dmesg error state, which will fill up your sd and burn all cpu in rsyslogd | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | ok | 12:32 |
| uvos | never happend here | 12:32 |
| uvos | and i use it all the time | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | then first thing is lunch :) | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | ttyl | 12:32 |
| uvos | so this is something only wizzup sees :P | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | uvos: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/645 | 12:32 |
| Wizzup | buzz too | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | maybe I will see it too | 12:32 |
| uvos | could be dependant on what you connect to it maybe | 12:33 |
| Wizzup | bt headset mostly really, but also car infotainment | 12:33 |
| uvos | i use it for some bose qc35-II | 12:33 |
| uvos | and nothing else | 12:33 |
| Wizzup | ok | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | so I'm fine with ck | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | consolekit | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | for now | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | better than neither II think | 12:35 |
| uvos | as a stopgap its ok | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | but yeah, not long term | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | do we have issue for dist-upgrade problem? | 12:50 |
| sicelo | systemd did take over (re: logind), no matter how hard people think they're systemd-less | 13:15 |
| uvos | Wizzup: is something going on with ci? | 14:54 |
| uvos | it seams awfully slow | 14:54 |
| Wizzup | let me see | 14:55 |
| Wizzup | it seems juts busy | 14:55 |
| uvos | ok | 14:55 |
| sicelo | https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=759982&postcount=104 someday i should try building kernel on the N900 ... need to get a big high first, I guess | 15:14 |
| sicelo | 3 hours, not bad. of course, that was kernel 2.6.28 | 15:14 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: why build on n900 | 15:19 |
| bencoh | poor n900 | 15:29 |
| bencoh | imagine, debugging on-the-go offline on-device :) | 15:29 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: consolekit also didn't adversely impact my droid | 15:31 |
| Wizzup | looks like I can install blueman too | 15:33 |
| uvos | so kern 6.1.8 seams to work fine on mapphones, can someone test on n900, so that i can promote to devel? | 17:59 |
| sicelo | i'm already using 6.2-rc6. works fine | 18:09 |
| sicelo | oh, you mean Leste packaging? no idea | 18:09 |
| uvos | right i mean this kernel | 18:09 |
| sicelo | anyway, if config isn't broken, it will work on n900. i've tested all revisions up to 6.2-rc6 | 18:10 |
| uvos | config is unlikely to be broken | 18:10 |
| uvos | but we do presumably have different extra patches | 18:11 |
| uvos | so id like someone to at least boot it | 18:11 |
| sicelo | what extra patches? | 18:11 |
| uvos | all the extra patches we carry | 18:11 |
| uvos | there are lots | 18:11 |
| sicelo | please be specific | 18:11 |
| uvos | i cant idk what the diff between whatever 6.2-rc6 you booted and our kernel is | 18:11 |
| sicelo | i'm maintaining kernel for N900 elsewhere, without issue | 18:11 |
| sicelo | alright | 18:12 |
| uvos | over mainline, we carry pvr, all kinds of patches for d4 that may or may not affect n900 somehow, we carry various n900 fix patches (presumable you carriy these too but how should i know) etc | 18:13 |
| sicelo | bencoh: in case you're interested, so on current mainline, n900 camera driver fails to get extclk, https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/media/i2c/et8ek8/et8ek8_driver.c#L1421 | 18:25 |
| sicelo | which is defined in dts https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.2-rc6/source/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts#L829 | 18:25 |
| sicelo | so that's what i still have to find cause for. also the focus coil returns a -121. have yet to check where/why that's the case | 18:26 |
| sicelo | i wonder why that check has a NULL id ... i should compile the dts with 'extclk' there and see what happens | 18:28 |
| sicelo | s/NULL id/NULL clock id/ | 18:30 |
| bencoh | sicelo: fails to get it, as in, just fails to read it from dts? | 18:36 |
| sicelo | i think so | 18:37 |
| sicelo | [ 13.714904] et8ek8 3-003e: could not get clock | 18:37 |
| bencoh | that should be devm_clk_get(dev, "extclk") | 18:37 |
| bencoh | instead of NULL | 18:37 |
| sicelo | yes i think so too | 18:37 |
| bencoh | unless devm_clk_get() accepts NULL as <any clock> | 18:37 |
| bencoh | but I've never used it that way | 18:37 |
| sicelo | of course the question also arises - how did it work before :-) | 18:38 |
| bencoh | excellent question | 18:38 |
| bencoh | maybe the API or the dts changed | 18:38 |
| sicelo | dts didn't for sure | 18:38 |
| bencoh | I'd just change it to "extclk", test, and shrug it off :) | 18:38 |
| sicelo | yes, will test that some time | 18:38 |
| sicelo | uvos: in case someone wants to try your kernel, where would they find it? | 19:02 |
| Wizzup | beowulf-experimental | 19:02 |
| Wizzup | I think | 19:02 |
| sicelo | ok | 19:02 |
| rafael2k | sicelo, yes, I had a N950, was my main phone for around 3 year | 20:10 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup, right. Which are the blockers for chimaera, can I help? | 20:11 |
| Wizzup | I think consolekit solving our elogind problem for now is a big leap | 20:11 |
| Wizzup | let me think | 20:11 |
| rafael2k | no rush... eheheh | 20:11 |
| Wizzup | I have blueman on my d4 again | 20:12 |
| rafael2k | I like blue tooth | 20:14 |
| rafael2k | until my pp keyboard unstuck between china and me | 20:14 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: see https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/644 | 20:17 |
| Wizzup | some extras need to be ported | 20:17 |
| Wizzup | which are not real blockers | 20:18 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: freemangordon: uvos: I'm pushing a hildon-base change to chimaera-devel now that blocks again on elogind and depends on consolekit | 20:20 |
| rafael2k | should I add chimaera-devel here? | 20:26 |
| rafael2k | yes right | 20:26 |
| Wizzup | I am not sure what else is in there, but yeah | 20:27 |
| rafael2k | can you give a summary of just he stuff that needs to be done? I got a bit lost tbh | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | I mean it's the same as installing consolekit with apt | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: so there are some extras that aren't ported yet, although we also ought to see if some on that list have since been ported without my knowing | 20:28 |
| Wizzup | then there is a bug in our image builder for chimaera image somehow for pinephone/arm64 | 20:28 |
| Wizzup | apart from that, it should be like beowulf or better | 20:28 |
| rafael2k | right, neverball-gles, where is this repo | 20:30 |
| rafael2k | lemme help with something | 20:30 |
| rafael2k | do we package from a fork | 20:30 |
| Wizzup | all of the extras are probably on the maemo-leste-extras gh | 20:33 |
| Wizzup | one thing is that some of them might just build on chimaera with no changes | 20:33 |
| Wizzup | let me push the hildon-base change to chimaera | 20:34 |
| Wizzup | let's see if there are other things I can think of | 20:39 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: with the consolekit change I think we can probably start building beowulf images tbh | 20:40 |
| sicelo | *chimaera, you mean | 20:41 |
| rafael2k | cool! | 20:45 |
| rafael2k | I is sooo cool to have the same distro in the phone and in the desktop | 20:46 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: yes | 20:54 |
| Wizzup | I might upgrade the image builder VMs, see if that just resolves our image building issues | 20:56 |
| rafael2k | which is the source.list line for chimaera-devel ? | 22:06 |
| rafael2k | baby sleeping | 22:06 |
| rafael2k | btw, from PP front, my only blocker for chimaera is the volume applet | 22:10 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: it's already in regular chimaera | 22:10 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: maybe the volume applet code can be updated to find the default sink? | 22:12 |
| Wizzup | this might be relatively trivial | 22:12 |
| rafael2k | the issue: https://leste.maemo.org/PinePhone#Volume_Applet | 22:14 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup, yes | 22:14 |
| Wizzup | so the only diff is Audio vs PinePhone? | 22:15 |
| Wizzup | I think this might not be ucm fixable actually | 22:16 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: if you're up for it you could write code that if it cannot find sink_name, it falls back to what the default sink is? | 22:16 |
| Wizzup | it should be a matter of | 22:17 |
| Wizzup | pa_context_get_server_info | 22:17 |
| Wizzup | + | 22:17 |
| Wizzup | ->default_sink_name on the result | 22:18 |
| Wizzup | https://github.com/maemo-leste/sphone/blob/master/src/modules/route-pulseaudio.c#L223 | 22:18 |
| Wizzup | https://github.com/maemo-leste/sphone/blob/master/src/modules/route-pulseaudio.c#L189 | 22:18 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: uvos: sounds ok? ^ | 22:19 |
| * Wizzup bbiab | 22:19 | |
| rafael2k | yes | 22:21 |
| rafael2k | that is the annoying | 22:21 |
| rafael2k | also suspend... | 22:21 |
| rafael2k | I made my one button app | 22:21 |
| rafael2k | and without a keyboard... literm/fingerterm is really useful. I can package one of them | 22:22 |
| uvos | sure i allready mentioned to rafael2k that this is what needs to be done | 22:22 |
| uvos | it needs a special config sink name "auto" that makes it use the default sink for that volume | 22:22 |
| rafael2k | uvos, lazyness is also big :P | 22:22 |
| uvos | rafael2k: i was not suggesting you do this even | 22:22 |
| uvos | just mentioning that this was discussed allready | 22:22 |
| rafael2k | sure | 22:23 |
| rafael2k | it is just that this could be a per platform setup for now | 22:23 |
| rafael2k | until we fix it | 22:23 |
| uvos | this is more work than the fix really | 22:24 |
| uvos | so no | 22:24 |
| rafael2k | no problem, I agree it is better in the app | 22:25 |
| rafael2k | the same very emacs version, both in the note and in the phone - that is Maemo-Leste advertizement! ow, how I miss my second kbd already that did not arrive yet | 22:28 |
| rafael2k | btw, if anyone gets the gsoc in libcamera to do the omap3, I really wanna look for a N900 | 22:29 |
| rafael2k | it will be the best camera you ever want, with support for sending the pics using AFSK over FM | 22:31 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: I could send you one | 23:19 |
| rafael2k | : )) | 23:25 |
| rafael2k | lets see! | 23:25 |
| sicelo | heh, @sending pics over AFSK | 23:57 |
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