| uvos | Wizzup: irc.txt is clearly not working | 00:04 |
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| Wizzup | let me look | 00:25 |
| Wizzup | this is something parazyd set up at the time | 00:26 |
| Wizzup | I think we might need something more sustainable | 00:26 |
| Wizzup | you didn't miss much except for me asking about using the e960 as d4 battery | 00:27 |
| Wizzup | I just got the pcb off of the old d4 battery | 00:27 |
| Wizzup | tomorrow I will do pcb swap hopefully | 00:27 |
| Wizzup | working on this battery I keep thinking I am making a comb | 17:00 |
| Wizzup | s/comb/bomb/ | 17:00 |
| bencoh | :D | 17:06 |
| * Wizzup giving up | 17:07 | |
| Wizzup | this is too complicated for a simple sw person like me | 17:07 |
| Wizzup | I tried making high res photos so it's actually visible what you're supposed to be | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | but I can't the contacts of the new battery to solder to the eb41 pcb | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | can't get | 17:08 |
| freemangordon | why? | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | good question | 17:08 |
| bencoh | you mean ... "it doesn't stick"? | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | yes | 17:08 |
| freemangordon | do you use solder flux? | 17:09 |
| moparisthebest | Lithium batteries are usually not meant to be soldered, but instead spot welded? | 17:09 |
| Wizzup | I do have flux | 17:09 |
| bencoh | it might be made of aluminium | 17:09 |
| freemangordon | moparisthebest: it is the board, not the batter | 17:09 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: wait, I already did that and no, iirc those are steel, not AL | 17:09 |
| bencoh | ah | 17:09 |
| Wizzup | https://wizzup.org/IMG_0770.JPG | 17:10 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: so, the solder does not stick to the board or to the battery wires? | 17:10 |
| Wizzup | wires mostly | 17:11 |
| freemangordon | you shoudl use better flux and higher temperature | 17:11 |
| Wizzup | but the pciture looks ok? | 17:11 |
| Wizzup | I only have the very low res photos from tony here | 17:11 |
| freemangordon | try with aspirin (keep away from the smoke) | 17:11 |
| freemangordon | yes, picture is ok | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | you have aspirin, right? | 17:12 |
| Wizzup | I only have one soldering iron here, so I probably can't go higher temperature wise | 17:12 |
| Wizzup | aspirin? | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | acetisal | 17:12 |
| Wizzup | what for? | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | for flux ;) | 17:12 |
| bencoh | for headaches I guess | 17:12 |
| Wizzup | I have some flux from poland | 17:12 |
| bencoh | :> | 17:12 |
| Wizzup | topnik ag-5 soldering smd | 17:12 |
| freemangordon | seems too weak for me | 17:14 |
| Wizzup | ok | 17:14 |
| Wizzup | well, I'm going to give up for now then | 17:14 |
| Wizzup | I need to leave in ~2 days and I don't have the right tools then | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | try with acetysal as flux, I am not kidding | 17:15 |
| Wizzup | maybe in 1-2 months :) | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | "acetylsalicylic acid" you should have it around | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | ok, as you wish :) | 17:15 |
| Wizzup | I'll check tonight, but I have to travel for 4 weeks soon | 17:15 |
| freemangordon | ok | 17:16 |
| Wizzup | and I am not sure if I want to carry a bomb in my pocket in the philippines | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | heh | 17:16 |
| Wizzup | given the humidity and heat there | 17:16 |
| Wizzup | it's truly a shame that polarcell doesn't make d4 batteries :D | 17:17 |
| bencoh | yeah | 17:19 |
| Wizzup | maybe if we order 50 or so they would be willing to put d4 pcbs om the e960 pcbs or so, idk | 17:20 |
| Wizzup | I guess they'd have to make the pcbs | 17:20 |
| bencoh | we'd probably need to order more than 50 | 17:21 |
| Wizzup | probably | 17:21 |
| * Wizzup is frustrated | 17:21 | |
| Wizzup | I just want to use my d4 for a while effectively :D | 17:21 |
| Wizzup | all these depleted 500mWh batteries are useless | 17:21 |
| bencoh | yeah, those eb41 are just ... not really usable | 17:21 |
| * sicelo thinks Wizzup is a boring person ... carrying a bomb around is fun [< Wizzup> and I am not sure if I want to carry a bomb in my pocket in the philippines] | 17:38 | |
| Wizzup | I guess there are potentially 'new' replacements | 17:40 |
| Wizzup | https://www.completebatterysource.com/motorola-eb41-battery.php | 17:40 |
| Wizzup | https://www.batterybob.com/products/4246-motorola-eb41-replacement-battery-bli-1201-18/ | 17:40 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: I guess those aren't produced anymore, so any "new" battery would still be years old .... | 18:12 |
| Wizzup | I did email polarcell btw | 18:14 |
| bencoh | :) | 18:14 |
| bencoh | 1 | 18:37 |
| uvos | Wizzup: yeah you did it wrong | 19:22 |
| uvos | has nothing to do with flux | 19:23 |
| uvos | altho specialty flux can get you out of this hole | 19:23 |
| uvos | the e960 had nickle strips spot welded to the alu tabs, those where soldered to the bms | 19:23 |
| uvos | you can solder thos off the bms and put it on the eb41bms | 19:24 |
| uvos | but it looks like you ripped them off instead, so now you cant solder the tabs anymore with regular rosin flux | 19:25 |
| uvos | you can now use acid flux to solder directly to the battery tabbs | 19:25 |
| uvos | but i would not recommend it | 19:25 |
| uvos | at this point i would only feal comfortable spot welding new nickle strips onto the tabs | 19:26 |
| bencoh | https://www.amazon.com/AWithZ-Handheld-Adjustable-Automatic-Stainless/dp/B0C4NJWM6F | 19:27 |
| bencoh | I didn't think this was a thing | 19:27 |
| uvos | that looks pretty terrible | 19:28 |
| uvos | btw lol: https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/motorola-droid-4-raritaet-mit-maemo-leste/2533436724-173-3609 | 19:29 |
| bencoh | uh :] | 19:33 |
| Wizzup | uvos: ok, thx, I thought so | 19:34 |
| Wizzup | it wasn't very visible on tony's photos | 19:34 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: freemangordon: overclock (boost) + irtx patch + tweaking chrt priorities for calls make things working pretty well on N900 :) | 20:11 |
| sicelo | arno11: nice! now it's time to make this work ootb, without needing user to fiddle with anything | 20:12 |
| arno11 | agree x10 | 20:15 |
| sicelo | my droid 4 is back, finally. | 20:48 |
| Wizzup | uvos: yeah I wasn't sure if I were supposed to keep them or not | 21:03 |
| Wizzup | well I guess I have another e960 so I could try.. | 21:03 |
| uvos | Wizzup: well get cracking then | 21:19 |
| uvos | :P | 21:19 |
| uvos | sicelo: where did it go? | 21:20 |
| sicelo | mmm, what's the schedule for building device images? looks like last image is from Sept 3? | 21:22 |
| sicelo | uvos: i had to lend my mom, because she had an unexpected phone 'emergency' for a couple of months | 21:23 |
| uvos | sicelo: 1w | 21:28 |
| uvos | sicelo: ci is probubly out of disk space again | 21:28 |
| uvos | Wizzup: ^^^^^^^^ | 21:29 |
| sicelo | means images aren't building again then | 21:29 |
| uvos | Wizzup: can we manage this differently somehow, maybe setup email alerts on jenkins? | 21:29 |
| uvos | this keeps on breaking and we dont notice | 21:30 |
| sicelo | we could/should consider purging older images too. e.g. pmos only keeps last three images per device. we have less devices, true, but we probably don't need to keep images indefinitely | 21:31 |
| Wizzup | uvos: I'm afraid I'll just break the third one too | 21:40 |
| Wizzup | I don't even have all the right tape here or hotglue (freshly moved a few months ago) | 21:40 |
| Wizzup | will look at ci | 21:40 |
| sicelo | if you have enough of the 'shiny' metal from the old battery, normal solder will work | 21:42 |
| Wizzup | let me share some photos, sec | 21:42 |
| Wizzup | so I had this on the first e960: https://wizzup.org/IMG_0760.JPG | 21:43 |
| Wizzup | but then I touched it with some tweezers and the metal clips literally fired up a bit and now there are small mushrooms on it | 21:44 |
| Wizzup | (yeah.) | 21:44 |
| Wizzup | by shiny metal, do you mean this ? https://wizzup.org/IMG_0763.JPG | 21:44 |
| uvos | are you shure its the battery that has had small mushrooms? | 21:50 |
| uvos | so the picture of e960 looks correct, you want to keep the part thats spotwelded onto the tabs | 21:51 |
| uvos | unless you are spotwelding yourself as i did | 21:51 |
| uvos | the eb41 part you want to desolder the nickel strips to expose the bare pads underneth | 21:52 |
| uvos | main point: no ripping or tearing of anything is required | 21:53 |
| uvos | only heating stuff up, no force required | 21:54 |
| Wizzup | not the battery, but the contacts, sec | 21:58 |
| Wizzup | I'll make a photo, sec | 21:58 |
| Wizzup | https://wizzup.org/IMG_0772.JPG | 22:00 |
| Wizzup | not the battery itself | 22:00 |
| Wizzup | uvos: ^^ | 22:04 |
| uvos | hmm | 22:06 |
| uvos | thats pretty wierd, looks like and oxide, but nickle oxide is green | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | looks like something has leaked from the battery | 22:07 |
| freemangordon | in any case does not look healthy :) | 22:07 |
| sicelo | mmm, that's from the original battery? | 22:09 |
| Wizzup | uvos: yeah not sure, the clips were a bit hot and then I just touched them with tweezers | 22:16 |
| Wizzup | it gave me a small (mental) shock :D | 22:16 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: no, e960 | 22:16 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: this happened when I touched it with tweezers | 22:17 |
| Wizzup | but this was the first one | 22:20 |
| maxwelld | Wizzup, you can just carry a portable battery around. I do for d4 and pinephone. | 23:27 |
| maxwelld | i charge them when necessary | 23:27 |
| Wizzup | sure I can, but that's not what I want | 23:32 |
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