| ravehaver9000 | will s6 ever become an officially available init choice for devuan like openrc and runit are right now alongside sysvinit? i think ive asked this before in the main devuan channel, but id like to hear some opinions about it here | 15:59 |
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| golinux | ravehaver9000: Laurent gave a presentation at the first Devuan Conference in 2019 so it is definitely on our radar. | 16:58 |
| golinux | Someone from Dyne was also working on integrating it into Devuan about that time. | 16:59 |
| golinux | Sadly, we are a small and overworked team. Until some steps up to integrate it into Devuan, it's not going to happen . . . | 17:01 |
| golinux | Feel free to join the team . . . :) | 17:02 |
| golinux | Here's the link to his talk at the conference. Audio is not that good unfortunately . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7qE43KK5bY&t=7622s | 17:04 |
| ravehaver9000 | i see.. id honestly like to join the team, but with school, my own personal projects and zero experience with distro mantainment stuff, i dont think i could be up for it, for now at least | 17:09 |
| ravehaver9000 | at most i guess i could test out packages for now | 17:09 |
| golinux | Testing is always helpful. | 17:15 |
| ravehaver9000 | really? | 17:15 |
| golinux | Of course. rrq and fsmithred post when the installation isos are ready for testing | 17:16 |
| ravehaver9000 | i see, taht sounds good | 17:16 |
| ravehaver9000 | where are they posted? in the forum? | 17:17 |
| golinux | And when packages are tweaked they need testing too. | 17:17 |
| golinux | In various Devuan channels - irc, forum, maiol lists | 17:18 |
| ravehaver9000 | nice... im actually liking the devuan irc channel quite a bit | 17:18 |
| golinux | :) | 17:18 |
| ravehaver9000 | havent ventured into offtopic yet but these past few days must have been the most ive used irc in ever | 17:18 |
| ravehaver9000 | i should really join the mailing list too... and get an actual mail client | 17:18 |
| ravehaver9000 | i usually use claws but the deb package for whatever reason doesnt have plugins, when i need the pgp ones for encryption myslef | 17:19 |
| ravehaver9000 | these came with the binary package back when i used arch | 17:19 |
| golinux | Behaving for the machine can be a full-time job . . . LOL! | 17:20 |
| ravehaver9000 | kek it def can | 17:20 |
| golinux | There are quite a few devuan irc channels | 17:21 |
| ravehaver9000 | and i was gonna build claws from source... but refused to over gdk pixbuf | 17:21 |
| ravehaver9000 | even after installing the package for it it refused to | 17:21 |
| ravehaver9000 | and yeah i know there are qutie a few | 17:21 |
| ravehaver9000 | the main one, this one, the art one and the offtopic one right | 17:21 |
| ravehaver9000 | arm i mean | 17:21 |
| golinux | This is getting a little offtopic actually . . . | 17:21 |
| golinux | That was weird . . . | 17:23 |
| golinux | I can see all the devuan channels listed in hexchat under "join channel" | 17:24 |
| ravehaver9000 | nice | 17:24 |
| ravehaver9000 | and yeah, tahts true | 17:25 |
| ravehaver9000 | i guess i could try testing out s6 as an actual init system in daedalus or ceres then | 17:25 |
| golinux | It is not even in our repo | 17:25 |
| golinux | afaik. | 17:25 |
| ravehaver9000 | so id have to build it from source | 17:26 |
| ravehaver9000 | and test in a wm running likely daedalus or ceres right? | 17:26 |
| ravehaver9000 | im running daedalus with sysvinit rn so switching inits shouldnt be hard | 17:26 |
| golinux | Looks like it has appeared! https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=s6&x=submit | 17:28 |
| ravehaver9000 | yeah | 17:29 |
| ravehaver9000 | im pretty sure the alternate init systems were already around since beowulf | 17:30 |
| ravehaver9000 | but that only openrc and runit were tested and therefore are default install options | 17:30 |
| golinux | Maintained by a Debian developer no less! | 17:30 |
| ravehaver9000 | nice | 17:30 |
| ravehaver9000 | i thought for a bit the debian developers only mantained sysvinit and maybe a few other alternate inits for those that really wanted to get rid of systemd while still using debian | 17:30 |
| ravehaver9000 | for those still on debian | 17:31 |
| golinux | I need food. Catch you later . . . | 17:33 |
| ravehaver9000 | seeya | 17:33 |
| golinux | :) | 17:33 |
| ravehaver9000 | also, i forgot this | 17:34 |
| ravehaver9000 | since im going to be testing s6 from now on, i want to ask you - if everything goes well, will this mean s6 will be available from install once daedalus coms out or will we have to wait until excalibur? | 17:34 |
| golinux | ravehaver9000: I am not the one making that decision. If you test and can get others to test that will provide exposure to more potential users | 20:38 |
| golinux | If there is enough interest, anything is possible. | 20:39 |
| tux12 | he has quit golinux | 20:43 |
| golinux | Hmmm . . . he was in channel when I started to write it . . . Oh well . . . | 20:52 |
| ravehaver9000 | just install s6 and its docs into my system | 21:34 |
| ravehaver9000 | rn im gonna build s6-rc and s6 init in order to make them work on devuan and see if its viable | 21:35 |
| ravehaver9000 | the big issue is that apparent /usr/lib/skalibs/sysdeps is not considered a valid sysdeps directory | 21:43 |
| ravehaver9000 | although tbh im probably drifting into offtopic rn | 21:43 |
| plasma41 | ravehaver9000: To use PGP with claws, install the claws-mail-pgpinline and claws-mail-pgpmime packages | 22:00 |
| plasma41 | ravehaver9000: If you can test out s6 and resolve any bugs you encounter then I would recommend you collaborate with rrq to get s6 included as an option in the installer isos. | 22:01 |
| plasma41 | and I typed a bit too slowly | 22:02 |
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