| brocashelm | i think the devuan.org web site layout as it currently stands is hard to navigate through, when compared to other distros that make their sections more readily available from the index page. if there was a sidebar added to the left/right with different categories and specific pages mentioned up front (like how to migrate from debian or looking up packages), i think that would make for a more visually attractive page | 02:06 |
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| rrq | sounds good; just clone the project and set it up so we can have a look. | 02:15 |
| Xenguy | That's one of the things I like about the Devuan community, we're so accomodating | 02:16 |
| golinux | brocashelm: The original version had some slideouts. They got voted down. Devuan is about minimalism not unnecessary features. | 02:56 |
| golinux | rrq: If I were the betting kind, I know where I'd put my money . . . | 02:57 |
| golinux | As long as I draw breath, there will be no bells and whistles on Devuan www. Every page on the site is listed on the "Explore" tab in the nav bar. If you missed that . . . what can I say . . . | 02:59 |
| rrq | mmm isn't it just a little presumptive to suggest that it already has reached perfection? | 03:04 |
| * rrq is not of bettting kind either though :) | 03:07 | |
| Xenguy | Maybe web site designs are like chess openings | 03:08 |
| Xenguy | There's many of them that are playable | 03:09 |
| Xenguy | I like the 'minimalism' angle though, as it resonates with the Devuan vibe and history | 03:11 |
| golinux | rrq: If that comment was for me note that I did not say that. | 03:27 |
| golinux | And I find that you would think so a little insulting. | 03:28 |
| golinux | The site has imperfections as all sites do but the solution to better it is definitely not slideouts etc. | 03:29 |
| golinux | Please don't take my sign off as a rage quite. LOL! I have been trying to shut the machine down for some time but keep getting distracted by nothing really . . . | 03:33 |
| * golinux longs for analog | 03:33 | |
| golinux | By all . . . | 03:33 |
| Xenguy | Go read a good book : -) | 03:37 |
| Xenguy | Better yet, a good comic book, ahem, er, graphic novel! | 03:39 |
| mason | I liked the Debian website before their recent changes. | 05:18 |
| mason | https://web.archive.org/web/20150207013908/https://debian.org/ vs https://web.archive.org/web/20220406120144/https://www.debian.org/ for example | 05:19 |
| mason | Devuan's site is much more akin to Debian's old site, which is fitting. | 05:19 |
| mason | A middle ground might be to have more links, but small and contained, similar to what Debian used to do, with larger categories and popular hits within them. | 05:20 |
| mason | Further back they had a static sidebar: https://web.archive.org/web/20010118200700/http://www.debian.org/ | 05:21 |
| mason | Either of their older modes is nicer that the new one. | 05:21 |
| mason | brocashelm: It'd be interesting to hear what things you want to navigate to that hide, and I'd be curious to know what you think about the two older Debian models, each of which has more direct links in what seem like sensible layouts. | 05:22 |
| brocashelm | mason: i like that 2001 debian page (static sidebar); it's exactly what i had in mind, but done to match 2023 standards when it comes to presentation | 05:46 |
| mason | Yeah, it's not a lot of JavaScript or moving parts, but you can get to a lot from the front page. | 05:47 |
| brocashelm | yes, you could go to the "explore" page (as golinux mentioned), but even on that page, it's just an endless list of things that wouldn't interest a lot of people (plus with the descriptions getting in the way, which is _not_ "minimal" to me) | 05:47 |
| brocashelm | for the sidebar, it could contain the more common pages/sections a user would want to check up on, such as (1) downloading devuan, (2) getting started with devuan (upgrading from debian or fresh install), (3) wiki (e.g. the dev1fanboy stuff could get moved there), (4) news/announcements, (5) about/team, (6) package search, (7) bugs (submitting/accessing), (8) mailing list, etc. | 05:50 |
| brocashelm | the top header could remain as it is with its contents | 05:51 |
| brocashelm | it can be further refined; i'm just listing some basic info for the sidebar | 05:51 |
| mason | That sounds useful. Maybe a pointer to git too. | 05:51 |
| brocashelm | that, too | 05:52 |
| brocashelm | i think moving dev1fanboy's tips and tricks to the wiki would be a good startup for that (wiki) | 05:52 |
| brocashelm | all old links could just point to the articles | 05:52 |
| brocashelm | what i had in mind. it can be arranged/added/removed: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/49209795/ | 06:05 |
| mason | Use of the word "Devuan" might be redundant. Some parenthetical stuff could be intented in an unordered list. | 06:07 |
| brocashelm | yeah, could change Download Devuan to Download, Devuan Team to Team, and Devuan Git to Git | 06:12 |
| brocashelm | ^ changes: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/feff39eb/ | 06:12 |
| brocashelm | i think Getting Started could link to the wiki, with different sections (e.g. upgrading from chimaera to daedalus, upgrading from bullseye to chimaera) | 06:13 |
| brocashelm | or, if no wiki will be installed, change Wiki to Guides and include those tips and tricks/freedom hacks | 06:14 |
| brocashelm | just my dos centavos | 06:14 |
| mason | heh | 06:21 |
| brocashelm | i'd support keeping it static without relying on a database-driven platform (for the guides). just some interface updates could work. wonder if the sidebar would look good on the left or right? right seems more accessible | 06:29 |
| mason | I read a study recently that showed left getting more attention initially. | 06:32 |
| onefang | Why would you need ANY Javascript? | 07:17 |
| brocashelm | i'm not vouching for any js myself | 07:19 |
| brocashelm | as i said, i'm all for 100% static, easily readable layouts (i.e. you could get by on a text-based browser like w3m or elinks) | 07:20 |
| clemens3 | what do you need javascript for, if you are not writing a browser based application | 14:37 |
| golinux | FWIW . . . afaik dev1fanboy's tips have been deprecated and no longer on www because he has not bee seen in maybe 3-4 years. At least his work has been archived in git documentation. | 14:53 |
| golinux | Interesting that 2 people only tangentially connected to devuan and who have contributed very little (but talk a lot) have all the solutions. Show us the code or zip it please. | 14:55 |
| golinux | Staging for Daedalus www is here https://beta.devuan.org/ | 14:59 |
| cosurgi | Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' ? | 15:33 |
| cosurgi | cannot do aptitude update ... | 15:33 |
| golinux | Try a different mirror | 15:35 |
| cosurgi | ah, now it works. | 15:35 |
| cosurgi | Seems like temporary outage | 15:35 |
| ballsystemlord_ | Writing the code is left to the plebeians. Those 2 people have far more important things to do. ;) | 17:30 |
| golinux | Good grief . . . seems you know nothing of what goes on @Devuan and who does it. | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | golinux, I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. | 18:35 |
| * fsmithred exits the internet until tomorrow. | 18:37 | |
| mason | golinux: Here's the code. You can download a .zip if you want: https://github.com/ChibaPet/install-debian-zfs-sysvinit | 19:48 |
| mason | Tightly related, and has been rapidly replacing all my local virtual machines: https://github.com/ChibaPet/lxc-utils | 19:49 |
| golinux | In fact of everyone logged in there I on;y know who about 20 are . . . | 20:08 |
| golinux | Is that going into the Debian repos? | 20:09 |
| golinux | That would be a good thing. | 20:11 |
| golinux | No need for me to DL. I will never use zfs. Heck I'm still on spinning rust! | 20:11 |
| ballsystemlord_ | (For the easily mislead, my previous comment was a joke.) | 20:39 |
| golinux | Releases are not a time to joke. :( Especially when there is much to do and too few to do it. | 20:44 |
| ballsystemlord_ | Okay | 20:48 |
| mason | golinux: I need to actually pull out the ZFS bits so it's more useful to a larger audience. The ZFS can be cleanly plugged in without being central to it. | 22:45 |
| mason | (And even the ZFS choices are fairly flexible. I show using locally-generated kmods, but most people will probably want DKMS. More reason to make it a plug-in rather than central to the effort.) | 22:46 |
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