| rwp | rustyaxe, Normally the ACPI system controls things like suspend and reboot due to lid and power button press. | 02:24 |
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| rwp | On an X system such as XFCE, LXDE, and those they often control it themselves. Or delegate that to elogind now. | 02:25 |
| rwp | But without X running look at /etc/acpi/lid.sh and /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn for how that is set up. | 02:25 |
| rwp | Look in /etc/default/acpi-support for LID_SLEEP=true which if commented out would avoid sleeping upon lid close. | 02:27 |
| rwp | (I also do not want my laptop to sleep upon lid close and also have to hack these things to avoid it.) | 02:28 |
| rwp | Note that ACPI is good and it handles other events just fine. Don't anyone panic and purge it or other things like the power button probably won't work. | 02:29 |
| rwp | And also in virtual machines it is how the host signals to the guest that the guest needs to shutdown or reboot. | 02:30 |
| rwp | You can run "acpi_listen" for acpi debug and it will print out acpi events as they occur. | 02:31 |
| rustyaxe | rwp: yea the /etc/elogind/logind.conf got it | 02:46 |
| rustyaxe | rwp: Yea i didnt want to break acpi just turn off that behaviour | 02:46 |
| rustyaxe | that laptop is living on a 1U shelf in my ham radio remote station's rack now :) | 02:47 |
| rwp | rustyaxe, On headless systems I don't even have elogind installed. So for me logind.conf doesn't apply. :-) | 05:03 |
| rustyaxe | users can rdp/vnc/ssh/webrm into the system, so i just left it | 05:06 |
| rwp | (e)logind is only needed for Desktop Environments. Users can do all of what you say without it. :-) | 05:39 |
| gnarface | you only need elogind for graphical logins really, you can still get a full graphical desktop environment without either using startx instead | 06:18 |
| rwp | Right. I don't install elogind on my laptop here where I am running i3 for example. No need for it. | 06:31 |
| rkta | I remember when I uninstalled elogind because of some trouble it made, after starting X I had no inputs and had to reboot using the magic key. | 07:05 |
| pungentweasel | ha .. I had no idea. in bash when you write "if [ whatever ];" ... the bracket is just a command that runs /usr/bin/[ .. and that is why space after the bracket is so important. | 09:20 |
| rkta | it's a build-in nowadays, but yes | 09:22 |
| pungentweasel | I'm over it now, but it blew my mind a little | 09:25 |
| pungentweasel | such a simple thing that you never think twice about. I always wondered about the reason for the spaces around the bracket | 09:27 |
| rkta | IIRC in the early days /usr/bin/[ was a symlink for /usr/bin/test which would handle the closing ] if argv[0] == '['. | 09:30 |
| gnarface | hmm, /usr/bin/[ does not seem to be a built-in on any of my devuan systems running bash, maybe built-in for another shell? | 10:20 |
| gnarface | echo is a built-in though, i remember that throwing me for a loop because i could have sworn it wasn't at first, but it's so long ago now i can't be sure | 10:21 |
| gnarface | for a while there it didn't even have its own man page but they seem to have fixed that | 10:22 |
| rkta | 'builtin [ ]' works for me in bash | 10:24 |
| gnarface | hmm, maybe it's both then? i do see /usr/bin/[ installed on testing and unstable | 10:29 |
| rkta | yeah, I was sloppy. There still is /usr/bin/[ but it's a builtin in most^W some shells. | 10:31 |
| mdt | /bin/[ is never a buildin, its that program. [ may be a build in if the shell supports that and otherwise searched in $PATH. | 10:57 |
| mdt | i remember that /bin/[ was a symlink to /bin/test some time ago.. | 10:58 |
| mojoman | Hi all, is anyone here using KDE-telepathy successfully? I'm running KDE Plasma 5:135 on Devuan and try to set up Telepathy 21.12.3.1. I get a pop-up error message saying "It appears you do not have the IM Accounts control module installed. Please install kaccounts-integration package." That package is installed and up-to-date. | 12:32 |
| mojoman | Both kde-telepathy and kaccounts-integration came with the installation but I've also re-installed kde-telepathy with recommends and suggests during my trouble-shooting. As far as I can see, all packages are installed but Telepathy for some reason doesn't detect kaccounts-integration, making it impossible to setup any accounts. | 12:32 |
| mojoman | I've search for answers but all similar issues seems to date back years and have'nt given me any clues. Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be caused by? Any input appreciat | 12:33 |
| Xenguy | mojoman, I'm not sure, but this might be a Debian thing | 12:47 |
| Xenguy | Or it may not be : -) | 12:48 |
| Xenguy | Just something to consider | 12:48 |
| mojoman | Xenguy, yeah, I considered that but searching the web for people having similar issues came up blank | 12:50 |
| mojoman | Also, posted the questing in the KDE channel on Freenode but no replies there | 12:50 |
| Xenguy | Best of luck, sometimes patience is required, before a reply arrives | 12:53 |
| Xenguy | Gawd Freenode, did KDE not migrate over to Libera? | 12:54 |
| Xenguy | Freenode is a wasteland, and has been for some time | 12:55 |
| mojoman | yeah, I figured that if it's a KDE/plasma issue, somebody there should know. If it's related to Devuan, this is the best place. But no idea about Freenode, the KDE channel had some users. Might try the KDE channel here too | 12:57 |
| Xenguy | Libera is the new Freenode, if my brain is even working anymore | 12:58 |
| Xenguy | Freenode is deprecated | 12:58 |
| mojoman | I'll take your word for it, I rarely use irc these days so I'm very much out of the loop | 12:59 |
| Xenguy | Well now you're a bit more in the loop, yay | 12:59 |
| Xenguy | Just in time for Festivus | 12:59 |
| mojoman | yay :-) | 12:59 |
| Xenguy | Andrew Lee fucked up the whole Freenode scene | 13:00 |
| Xenguy | So, fuck Andrew Lee | 13:00 |
| Xenguy | But I'm going OT now | 13:00 |
| Xenguy | But yeah, fuck Andrew Lee | 13:00 |
| mojoman | Now you made me do a duck-search on Andrew Lee freenode and the first hit was "Developers of the popular open source network Freenode are quitting en masse and accusing Andrew Lee, the Crown Prince of Korea, of a “hostile takeover” of the organization." so you might be on to something.... | 13:11 |
| mojoman | :-) | 13:12 |
| mojoman | But you're right about freenode being de facto depreceated, the KDE channel on Libera has 8x logged in users right now compared to Freenode. | 13:17 |
| djph | leenode died like 6 months ago ... it's still "news" ? | 13:45 |
| mojoman | djhp, probably not to anyone using irc frequently but I haven't used irc for two years or so | 14:15 |
| rustyaxe | mojoman: KANG LEE? | 14:33 |
| mojoman | rustyaxe, I have no idea, I hadn't even heard about it until Xenguy mentioned it. Like I said, I rarely use irc these days | 14:36 |
| djph | mojoman: wait, was it just an old article? | 14:41 |
| mojoman | yeah, Xenguy mentioned it, I had never heard of it, did a duck search and the first hit was how this guy had bungled freenet. It wasn't a wikiarticle or anything, but specifically about how his actions caused an exodus. I just posted it as a follow-up on the chat with Xenguy. Kinda sad to have that as the first hit on your name when you do a websearch. | 14:47 |
| mojoman | Goes to show that he really messed things up. | 14:47 |
| mojoman | But before 13:00:36 I had never heard his name before. | 14:48 |
| JFaulk | Morning everyone | 14:59 |
| JFaulk | so, since we have some people active on here right now, I wanna kinda get a sense of opinions | 14:59 |
| rustyaxe | Not sure how good this morning is.. There is snows happening. | 14:59 |
| JFaulk | true | 15:00 |
| JFaulk | so, I've been adapting the iso-builder code to create arm64 devuan installer iso's | 15:00 |
| JFaulk | mostly meant for devices like the thinkpad x13s snapdragon and such that are actually capable of using such images | 15:01 |
| JFaulk | would anyone here be interested in testing them? The netinstall version is posted on the dev1 forums | 15:02 |
| rustyaxe | arm laptop? that sounds miserable :O | 15:05 |
| JFaulk | supposedly the x13s is fairly powerful | 15:07 |
| JFaulk | but it wouldn't be supported until Daedalus | 15:08 |
| JFaulk | because it's support only recently landed in the Kernel\ | 15:08 |
| splinterbyte | is it me or is the rsnapshot package missing in devuan 4 ? | 16:17 |
| JFaulk | refractasnashot? | 16:18 |
| JFaulk | should be packaged as refractasnapshot-base and refractasnapshot-gui | 16:19 |
| splinterbyte | no, rsnapshot, like this one: https://rsnapshot.org/ | 16:19 |
| JFaulk | ohhh | 16:19 |
| JFaulk | hmm, it does appear to be gone | 16:20 |
| splinterbyte | by accident ? | 16:20 |
| JFaulk | let me check Debian's archives | 16:21 |
| JFaulk | ok, so | 16:21 |
| JFaulk | for whatever reason it got removed in bullseye and added back in bookworm, so now it's present in backports | 16:22 |
| JFaulk | so you would have to get it from chimaera-backports then | 16:22 |
| splinterbyte | ahh i see | 16:23 |
| JFaulk | but I would not recommend using backports for everything, just use it to apt-download the package then remove the backports repo | 16:23 |
| JFaulk | because I find the backports repo can cause serious damage in some cases due to dependency version mismatches | 16:24 |
| splinterbyte | yes I know :) | 16:24 |
| splinterbyte | only use it if have to | 16:24 |
| lts | You will lose possible backports updates if you remove the repo completely | 16:24 |
| splinterbyte | that's true | 16:24 |
| lts | Better to pin it lower and then install the desired package with "apt -t chimaera-backports <package>" | 16:25 |
| JFaulk | well most truly important updates for security are in {suite}-security | 16:25 |
| lts | AFAIUI apt should then understand to fetch its updates from backports | 16:25 |
| JFaulk | hmm, true | 16:25 |
| JFaulk | also, slightly off-topic | 16:26 |
| JFaulk | someone once poked the idea of devuan-based Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), and I actually researched it on a test machine | 16:27 |
| JFaulk | did you know, the only thing preventing it is a single package with a hard dependency on systemd? | 16:27 |
| JFaulk | which, after being re-compiled without the dependency allowed all of the Mint Software to work? | 16:28 |
| lts | Hmm, actually, one might need to configure the backported packages in /etc/apt/preferences(.d) to make apt prefer the backports repo for them during updates | 16:29 |
| JFaulk | I just find it absolutely sad and disgraceful that a well-respected distro is a single dependency away from being able to free itself from redhat and microsoft | 16:30 |
| rustyaxe | personally i like devuan because unlike ubuntu, mint, etc. It stays out of my way and doesnt do stuff unless i tell it to. .Thats how i want my computer to work.. Not assuming what i want. :) | 16:37 |
| JFaulk | this is true, too | 16:38 |
| rustyaxe | i like reproducible things | 16:38 |
| rustyaxe | sometimes thats harder for a desktop situation, but in many cases, it prevents chaos | 16:39 |
| splinterbyte | I use devuan for my servers, linux mint MATE for desktop,laptop for GUI... while it would be nice to have a mint based on devuan, why should you run the GUI OS with old software? | 16:48 |
| splinterbyte | too many times I need newer software to keep up with the graphical stuff | 16:49 |
| rustyaxe | graphical stuff? | 16:49 |
| splinterbyte | audio,video,pics | 16:49 |
| lts | I assume one would run ceres/unstable on desktop, but as long as browsers are up to date, the biggest risks are handled | 16:50 |
| JFaulk | anyone here daily drive ceres? | 17:29 |
| rustyaxe | JFaulk: /testing? | 17:58 |
| rustyaxe | yea | 17:58 |
| rustyaxe | stable has ancient ham radio stuff ;) | 17:59 |
| JFaulk | ahhhhh gotha | 18:07 |
| JFaulk | I've considered daily driving testing, but I have to remind myself that I also use my laptop for work, haha | 18:08 |
| rustyaxe | no riskier than running windows, that. | 18:09 |
| rustyaxe | still easier to fix if the update does bork smthg too | 18:10 |
| golinux | JFaulk: Lots of ceres users on the forum | 18:50 |
| JFaulk | golinux: duly noted | 19:19 |
| rwp | JFaulk, I use ceres for my main desktop. So that I can hit bugs and report them before I would hit them in Stable a year later. | 19:45 |
| rwp | But it is not my only system. And I am comfortable debugging bugs and dealing with problems. | 19:45 |
| JFaulk | don't get me wrong, so am I | 19:46 |
| JFaulk | it's just that my main machine is used for mission-critical stuff | 19:46 |
| rwp | Ceres is a BAD choice for mission critical tasks. Don't do it! | 19:46 |
| JFaulk | oh nonono, I wasn't saying i was going to! I do have daedalus installed on my old thinkad t61p | 19:47 |
| rwp | You can see why I might react when people are talking ceres unstable and also talking mission-critical stuff. | 19:48 |
| JFaulk | it seems alright, gimp has some graphical bugs however | 19:48 |
| JFaulk | oh, yeah, for sure | 19:49 |
| rwp | I have never actually run Testing on my desktop. I keep a couple of VMs running Testing so that I can track things there though. | 19:49 |
| JFaulk | so do i | 19:49 |
| JFaulk | what I look forward to is when MATE adopts the necessary bits to get mutiny desktop from Ubuntu MATE into Debian/Devuan | 19:50 |
| rwp | With the destop and ceres/sid and an upgrade every day it is always a random thing broken that I must debug NOW in a somewhat unscheduled way. | 19:50 |
| JFaulk | figured as much | 19:52 |
| JFaulk | i also look forward to when finit-sysv is usable | 19:52 |
| JFaulk | finit is reasonably fast | 19:53 |
| gnstaxo | If I install Daedalus (testing) and then change the apt sources to sid and update the system, I would be on rolling release mode, right? | 23:21 |
| golinux | "ceres" is devuan's "sid" | 23:23 |
| golinux | Do not use Debian repos directly. | 23:23 |
| golinux | gnstaxo: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 23:24 |
| gnstaxo | I meant ceres, sorry xd | 23:33 |
| rwp | gnstaxo, Yes. It is rolling. But "release" would be an overstatement. It's the daily bleeding edge bits. In whatever shape they are on that day. | 23:46 |
| gnstaxo | Hahah, I see | 23:55 |
| onefang | Daily? It gets updated much more often than that. | 23:57 |
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