| gnstaxo | But I wouldn't update it daily, just once a month | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rustyaxe | ya i update every couple weeks. If somethings buggy, more often but so far nothing really been problematic and im not running years old software :P | 00:01 |
| rwp | Individual packages rarely have multiple versions in the same day. | 01:14 |
| rwp | Because Linux is a bazaar there are ten thousand packages which update on their own schedule in a single day there will be many updates. | 01:15 |
| rwp | I update every day and then fight it out in a Texas cage fight type of match. :-) | 01:15 |
| JFaulk | lol | 01:16 |
| brocashelm | i noticed the last three reviews for devuan at distrowatch have all been ceres, lol | 05:49 |
| golinux | Yeah . . . bragging rights are a "thing" . . . | 06:07 |
| AlexLikeRock | man reboot : | 08:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | -i Shut down all network interfaces just before halt or reboot. | 08:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | why its necesary ???? | 08:42 |
| user24037 | hey, how can i get apt and unattended-upgrades, these cron jobs, to email me their output? | 09:21 |
| user24037 | /etc/aliases and smtpd are already ready and working. not sure what i'm missing. on debian they're sending...hmm | 09:40 |
| gnarface | user24037: you might not have a mail server installed, try "dpkg -l |grep exim" and if nothing comes up install exim4-daemon-light | 10:41 |
| user24037 | thank you, i have open smtpd. emails already ready and working | 11:20 |
| gnarface | oh sorry i missed that, are you defining MAILTO? | 11:25 |
| gnarface | and which cron are you using? | 11:26 |
| gnarface | maybe it's something to do with unattended-upgrades, i'm not familiar with how it's set up. have you tested just setting up a simple cron job that prints a string? | 11:27 |
| onefang | Could be that those particular cron jobs just are not outputting anything. Somethings have a "run from cron job, don't output stuff" option. Some just have "> /dev/null" at the end of the cron job command. | 11:51 |
| onefang | Cron sends any output to email. | 11:52 |
| rrq | more specifically, cron sends email with /usr/sbin/sendmail to the address defined with the MAILTO environment variable (or defaults to root@localhost I think) | 12:01 |
| user24037 | they have output, i see that in logs | 12:03 |
| user24037 | ahh | 12:04 |
| user24037 | MAILTO="" | 12:05 |
| user24037 | i overlooked this in the crontab. it blended in with the comments >_< | 12:05 |
| xrogaan | where's that MAILTO defined? | 12:07 |
| rrq | it's set in crontab .. see "man 5 crontab" .. default is user of crontab | 12:15 |
| JFaulk | Merry Chrysler folks | 20:22 |
| rustyaxe | oi. | 20:24 |
| JFaulk | finally made the jump to daedalus | 20:25 |
| JFaulk | and upgraded my personal repo mirror to it as well | 20:25 |
| rustyaxe | Linux WDMyCloud 3.2.26 #1 SMP Thu Jul 9 11:14:15 PDT 2015 wd-2.4-rel armv7l GNU/Linux | 20:26 |
| rustyaxe | Poking about inside this 2tb ARM nas my dad had laying around unused | 20:26 |
| JFaulk | nice | 20:26 |
| JFaulk | any plans for it? | 20:26 |
| rustyaxe | 256mb of ram so probably openwrt | 20:28 |
| JFaulk | you could run puppy linux in that lol | 20:28 |
| rustyaxe | right now im just using it to move some stuff around and clear off my mirror set that's too big to fsck in the other nas and get it off btrfs :) | 20:29 |
| JFaulk | ahhhh gotcha | 20:29 |
| JFaulk | I have my mirror on my laptop | 20:30 |
| JFaulk | it's a personal one, I use it for a variety of reasons. Among them being that having a backup couldn't hurt, if suddenly a master mirror goes down, and also so that I have what I need when I travel whether there's wifi or not | 20:31 |
| JFaulk | I currently have main for amd64 and i386 | 20:31 |
| JFaulk | once my work with arm64 advances more, I'll keep a mirror for that, too | 20:34 |
| golinux | Maybe thei should go to devuan-offtopic? | 20:35 |
| golinux | thei > this | 20:35 |
| JFaulk | ahh, true | 20:35 |
| golinux | rustyaxe: Are you aware that there are two scripts available to migrate from Debian to Devuan? | 20:38 |
| golinux | Don't know if they would be helpful for your use case but doesn't hurt to look. | 20:38 |
| golinux | Links are at the top of this page: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 20:39 |
| JFaulk | I wasn't even aware of that, I just knew about the instructions on the website | 20:39 |
| rustyaxe | golinux: From something as old as jessie? | 20:39 |
| golinux | Dunno about that . . . | 20:40 |
| JFaulk | might work, might not work | 20:40 |
| golinux | They only appeared in the last year or so . . . | 20:40 |
| rustyaxe | think ima go the openwrt route for this one. Love my devuan, but its a little bigger than we can get openwrt :) | 20:40 |
| golinux | But there might be ideas in there you could use . . . | 20:41 |
| rustyaxe | Indeed :) | 20:42 |
| JFaulk | I know we have a Jessie release, it's EOL but we have archive mirrors available | 20:42 |
| JFaulk | maybe you can adapt the script to that, then upgrade jessie from there | 20:42 |
| golinux | Yes. You will have to go through each release. Do not skip a release. | 20:43 |
| JFaulk | ^This. Skipping releases is dangerous business | 20:43 |
| golinux | Quite so . . . | 20:43 |
| golinux | I seem to remember that a few have managed to do the entire sequence successfully . . . | 20:44 |
| * golinux needs a cup of tea . . . | 20:45 | |
| systemdlete | Is there any tool which does ***ALL*** aspects of disk partitioning in one tool (even a front end). gparted is fairly good, and there have been some others that were good in the past (but some are no longer supported or are non-free now). | 21:04 |
| systemdlete | gparted lacks support for encrypting raw disk drives (e.g., /dev/sda) and I know that LVM can do encryption. | 21:04 |
| systemdlete | It would be nice if there were a unified tool that performed ALL of these aspects of partitioning in one place. Currently, disk partitioning is a bit of a... uh. y'know, the thing. | 21:05 |
| _jay_ | systemdlete: I enjoy both your username and your question, I'd like to see it answered. | 23:06 |
| _jay_ | Have you had a look at gnome-disks? I haven't used it in a while, but the screenshots suggest it supports LUKS encryption so I guess it also supports LVM? https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Disks | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | thanks, __jay__ | 23:13 |
| JFaulk | golinux: good news, got my ssh key sorted out and the arm64 desktop iso is up! | 23:17 |
| systemdlete | _jay_, there used to be a standalone ISO with some very nice utilities on it, but I think they went to a for-profit model. | 23:21 |
| systemdlete | I want to say it was called diskmagic or something like that. I think their old version (very outdated!) is still available for free, but... yeccch. too old | 23:23 |
| systemdlete | gparted is nice, but lacks encryption support (last I tried anyway) | 23:26 |
| _jay_ | systemdlete: Wasn't disk magic a windows thing? And hm. The KDE parition manager seems sexy. looks similar to gparted but apparently supports LVM/LUKS2/etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Partition_Manager | 23:32 |
| _jay_ | Ah. I'm thinking of PartitionMagic (the windows thing) | 23:32 |
| systemdlete | partitionmagic was windows-only I think. But there was an open source tool also... | 23:32 |
| systemdlete | right | 23:32 |
| systemdlete | :) | 23:32 |
| systemdlete | and, back in the day, I used to use PM quite often | 23:33 |
| systemdlete | ("back" == c. 1990s) | 23:33 |
| systemdlete | KDE might be OK if I can boot it from an ISO. But then there's all the overhead of a HEAVY desktop environment. | 23:33 |
| brocashelm | i thought kde is lighter than xfce now | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, I just made a kde live iso in daedalus, and the desktop takes over 800mb | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | xfce takes about 400 | 23:36 |
| brocashelm | i wonder if plasma is utilized better in other distros than debian/devuan. i heard their devs have mitigated the memory leak issues in recent years and it's caught up to xfce and mate | 23:38 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: which xfce version? 4.16? | 23:38 |
| fsmithred | whatever is in daedalus now | 23:38 |
| brocashelm | 4.18 then | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | now=last week | 23:39 |
| brocashelm | both testing and unstable have that version | 23:39 |
| brocashelm | oh | 23:39 |
| brocashelm | major changes/alterations that i feel might turn people off. thunar segfaults every other hour | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | no, not true | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | last week for kde. xfce is an older iso. I think it's from October. | 23:39 |
| systemdlete | KDE is very pretty and has lots of eye candy and other stuff slow you down and keep you from getting actual work done, if you like that sort of stuff. | 23:40 |
| systemdlete | Some of the plasma widgets are slooooooooow | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | ps_mem.py output: https://termbin.com/8syt | 23:41 |
| systemdlete | and buggy | 23:41 |
| systemdlete | although maybe some of that has been mitigated in recent years, idk. I never install KDE | 23:41 |
| systemdlete | as fsmithred said, it's a disk pig, and IME, very sluggish and frustrating to configure | 23:42 |
| brocashelm | my only experiences with plasma have been on devuan. never tried kubuntu or manjaro alterations, but those are supposed to be 1:1 | 23:42 |
| systemdlete | well, if I ever get anywhere close to the bottom of my list of to-dos, I might revisit KDE | 23:42 |
| brocashelm | there's also TDE (trinity) | 23:42 |
| brocashelm | fork of kde 3.5 and it's pretty lightweight | 23:42 |
| brocashelm | they got a devuan repo | 23:42 |
| systemdlete | _jay_, I just found another one I used to use: Partedmagic. But it too lacks crypt support | 23:43 |
| _jay_ | systemdlete: aw | 23:43 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: could also be the default eyecandy shit from plasma. you can do the same with xfce with the panel plugins IME | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | both of those installs used the task-*-desktop package | 23:44 |
| brocashelm | plasmashell taking up 228 mb is a red flag, though | 23:44 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, that 800m was disk, right? What about memory? | 23:44 |
| brocashelm | no, ram | 23:44 |
| fsmithred | ps_mem.py measure RAM usage | 23:45 |
| systemdlete | how much disk does KDE eat up? | 23:45 |
| systemdlete | vs, say, XFCE | 23:45 |
| brocashelm | i think debian's kde implementation is not as good as other distros, due to focusing more on xfce, gn*me, and mate ootb | 23:45 |
| fsmithred | almost twice as much, I think | 23:45 |
| fsmithred | at least 50% more disk space for kde | 23:46 |
| systemdlete | I actually got kind of a kick out of the plasmas but they were too sluggish back when I tried it out | 23:46 |
| brocashelm | so it might be different on another distro | 23:46 |
| fsmithred | based on my experience of making live-isos in a VM | 23:46 |
| brocashelm | even lxqt is getting a bit heavy | 23:46 |
| fsmithred | almost time for dinner. bbl. | 23:47 |
| rustyaxe | 'bricked' er :) | 23:48 |
| systemdlete | I found lxqt to be too buggy. | 23:48 |
| systemdlete | btw, partedmagic is paid, not free | 23:48 |
| rustyaxe | So now just ognna try to target a modern kernel at it and pray the partition layouts are right :P | 23:48 |
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