| cytokine_storm | # PCI device 0x8086:0xa0f0 (iwlwifi) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| cytokine_storm | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0" | 00:00 |
| cytokine_storm | 00:00 | |
| cytokine_storm | gnarface: thats ^^^ | 00:00 |
| forsol | ok | 00:00 |
| gnarface | cytokine_storm: only that one line? | 00:00 |
| cytokine_storm | yea | 00:01 |
| gnarface | you sure you only got one wifi device in there? | 00:02 |
| cytokine_storm | yes | 00:02 |
| cytokine_storm | i have only i wifi device | 00:02 |
| gnarface | ATTR{address}=="" | 00:02 |
| gnarface | was this field empty like this or did you delete the mac address before pasting? | 00:03 |
| cytokine_storm | gnarface: thats the mac address | 00:03 |
| gnarface | is it right? | 00:03 |
| gnarface | does it match the output of "/sbin/ifconfig -a" | 00:03 |
| cytokine_storm | its not empty i put the mac address | 00:03 |
| cytokine_storm | yes | 00:03 |
| cytokine_storm | yes | 00:03 |
| gnarface | weird | 00:03 |
| gnarface | not sure why this is happening, which release are you running? | 00:04 |
| cytokine_storm | latest i updated | 00:05 |
| cytokine_storm | and upgraded stable one | 00:05 |
| cytokine_storm | Linux devuan 5.10.0-20-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.158-2 (2022-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 00:05 |
| cytokine_storm | 00:05 | |
| gnarface | you sure? chimaera? | 00:05 |
| cytokine_storm | how to check | 00:05 |
| gnarface | by the kernel version it looks like you're right, but check /etc/apt/sources.list | 00:05 |
| cytokine_storm | the cnfigurations are all messed up. i modified the distro since 2020 | 00:06 |
| gnarface | well if you've been mixing in packages from ubuntu and debian that might have caused this | 00:06 |
| gnarface | i forget what other things might have caused it, but the first evidence something is wrong is that it's not in the persistent-net rules file | 00:07 |
| cytokine_storm | last time i used my wifi card in monitor mode | 00:07 |
| gnarface | you sure you didn't change the mac address? | 00:07 |
| gnarface | oh, and are you running avahi-daemon | 00:08 |
| cytokine_storm | yea i put that in script using macchanger | 00:08 |
| gnarface | macchanger might be doing it | 00:08 |
| gnarface | when you change the mac address it thinks it is a new device | 00:09 |
| cytokine_storm | gnarface: how to check if im running avahi | 00:09 |
| gnarface | ps aux |grep avahi | 00:09 |
| cytokine_storm | yea output comes | 00:09 |
| cytokine_storm | how to remove it | 00:09 |
| gnarface | do you use it? | 00:10 |
| cytokine_storm | should i remove it? i dont | 00:10 |
| gnarface | i hate it, i always remove it | 00:10 |
| cytokine_storm | im using lxqt | 00:10 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure it's doing this but it might do annoying things with your network anyway | 00:10 |
| gnarface | but i think macchanger could be doing it too | 00:10 |
| cytokine_storm | yea i will check later bye | 00:11 |
| jemarch | hello | 13:30 |
| jemarch | o/ another one migrating from Debian after using it since the Potato days | 13:30 |
| FatPhil | Occasionally I attempt to purge unwanted cruft - such as avahi. Today I again failed (libcups2 deps, another thing I don't want or need...), but I did manage to purge libjansson4, libsmbclient, and samba-libs, which is progress. | 14:04 |
| djph | FatPhil: well, you could always remove CUPS ... but then printing gets annoying :) | 14:41 |
| jonadab | Why on earth does CUPS depend on Avahi, of all things? That's... bizarre. | 14:46 |
| jonadab | I mean, I've never bothered to purge avahi, because it just does its thing, or fails to do its thing, and I don't care, because nothing in the history of computing has ever actually used the protocol it implements, so if it breaks, I don't care. But it's weird for something as important as CUPS to theoretically depend on it. | 14:47 |
| djph | jonadab: zeroconf printers | 14:49 |
| jonadab | You're telling me somebody actually manufactured a printer that uses that? | 14:49 |
| jonadab | TIL | 14:50 |
| djph | loads of the network ones in recent years from Brother / HP do. I'm sure the rest of the market does as well ... but well they suck for Linux support, so might as well not exist :D | 14:50 |
| jonadab | Huh. All the network printers I've ever seen, use port 9100. | 14:51 |
| djph | well, sure, that's the JetDirect port. | 14:51 |
| djph | doesn't mean they don't also support mDNS ... | 14:51 |
| jonadab | There are persistent rumors of a magical kind of printer that any smartphone connecting to the network will automatically detect and be able to use by pushing a "print" button that will appear in the phone's UI, but I've never been able to find any detailed information about it. | 14:53 |
| FatPhil | palemoon depends on libgtk2.0-0, and that depends on libcups2. | 14:53 |
| jonadab | Wait, why on earth would a widget set, depend on CUPS? If anything, I'd expect that to be the other way around, if CUPS has a GUI config tool. | 14:54 |
| jonadab | Dependencies are weird. | 14:54 |
| FatPhil | if only someone could invent dynamic linking, so that hard build/load-time dependencies between libraries could be avoided. | 15:02 |
| FatPhil | Oooops ... I have an out-of-tree mplayer that "depends" on the samba shit I just deleted. NAh, it runs just fine without, as I never use the "smb://[user:pass@]host/filepath]" nonsense. If I want access to a samba filesystem - why not just mount it!?? | 15:11 |
| FatPhil | I never need the rts?p:// protocol either, and mplayer doesn't depend on any of the rts?p packages, so clearly it's possible to not have hard deps. | 15:15 |
| u-amarsh04 | I build mplayer from source anyway, so ./configure does its magic for the most part | 16:28 |
| u-amarsh04 | recently purged avahi-daemon from this pc as it appeared to be the culprit in dropping the ethernet connection (no drop-outs since I removed avahi-daemon, some of the libavahi stuff remains) | 16:30 |
| u-amarsh04 | the actual dependency related to printers and avahi-daemon seemed to be ipp-usb depending on avahi-daemon | 16:31 |
| gnarface | afaik you can still get printers working without it, it just aids automatic discovery | 16:32 |
| u-amarsh04 | right | 16:33 |
| u-amarsh04 | I do my printing at the local library these days anyway, just print to PDF at home and take it with me on a USB stick | 16:34 |
| FatPhil | yeah, avahi-daemon is the thing you (a) don't want; and (b) can get rid of. | 17:46 |
| rwp | Hi jemarch! Good to see you in #devuan! | 18:18 |
| rwp | The entire Apple philosophy with CUPS and Avahi is really a security hole. But it is easy for the masses so they open want it. | 18:21 |
| gnarface | well the biggest problem with it (aside from the obvious security implications) is that it doesn't just auto-configure stuff, it also auto-deconfigures stuff, and that's where the real problems usually occur | 18:28 |
| gnarface | it starts doing stuff like kicking your devices off the network because the driver transmitted some hotplug hysteresis | 18:29 |
| gnarface | and then for whatever reason they come back up with the wrong configuration | 18:29 |
| gnarface | the concept is sound (again, aside from the obvious security implications) but the implementation seems to be harebrained | 18:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | one mans cruft is another mans treasure. I actually use avahi often... | 18:38 |
| rwp | gnarface, Right. Have had that problem with CUPS printers often. At one time I had to snapshot the config and run a cron every five minutes to reset to the snapshot and restart cups when cups automatically dropped the printer. | 18:45 |
| puddinghead | hey | 20:14 |
| puddinghead | how soon do you think itll be until daedalus becomes the stable version? debian seems to have finally started the bookworm freeze, so i'd have to expect it to be a few months after bookworm releases, right? | 20:15 |
| gnarface | hard to say how long afterwards, i'd guess maybe anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months is a fair bet though yea | 20:17 |
| rwp | It's never been only a couple of weeks of freeze, has it? Isn't it always a few months? | 20:28 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure actually, i thought it'd been getting shorter | 20:29 |
| gnarface | someone who knows the current state of daedalus could speak to it better though | 20:29 |
| bb|hcb | gnarface: Debian release is TBA; https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html | 21:43 |
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