| hakarune | so I'm installing urbackup and it's asking to convert root. | 01:42 |
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| hakarune | Urbackup Convert root device into device mapper device on boot (initramfs | 01:42 |
| hakarune | should I allow it? | 01:42 |
| hakarune | will this break devuan if it converts out? | 01:43 |
| hakarune | *it | 01:43 |
| gnarface | that software isn't something from devuan repos, is it? | 01:43 |
| gnarface | i couldn't say whether it's safe or not | 01:44 |
| hakarune | no. it's its own installer script for the client interface. | 01:45 |
| hakarune | i know on debian it doesn't break anything, but I don't know if it would on devuan | 01:46 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what "device mapper device" means actually, so i couldn't say | 01:47 |
| gnarface | it should work as long as it's something that doesn't require systemd features | 01:47 |
| martinleger | hello I'm trying to passthrough a usb device using aqemu in a virtual machine. My virtual machine (devuan) is working, has internet connection but I cannot connect my flash drive into the VM. I added the flash drive in aqemu before booting the VM but when I try to connect it, it just doesn't work. What am I doing wrong here ? | 05:45 |
| martinleger | does anyone use aqemu ? | 06:18 |
| gnarface | first i'm hearing of it, but from my experience with other such things i would recommend trying to get it working with just bare qemu from the command-line then maybe you can compare the command to what aqemu is using and figure out what it's doing wrong | 06:26 |
| martinleger | yea I thought about it but I'm just not comfortable with cli in general. I just need something that works pretty much out of the box. and aqemu suits my needs but I just need to passthrough usb devices and that's it | 06:30 |
| martinleger | I heard that virt-manager is nice too, I might try that later if I don't manage to make it work with aqemu | 06:30 |
| martinleger | it's just that there is no information about aqemu on the web, seems like everyone is using qemu or virtualbox | 06:31 |
| rrq | adding the port with the media should be fine wrt the qemu args; you might also need proper permissions for the device node | 06:45 |
| martinleger | I'll have too look into that. I think I'm gonna ditch aqemu. I'm not the only one facing this problem https://github.com/tobimensch/aqemu/issues/124 so I guess i have no choice but to learn bare qemu | 06:50 |
| systemdlete | I just ran lvextend to increase the size of one of my encrypted volumes. It requested a password: I've never seen that before. Is this a new feature? I'm pretty sure I've extended encrypted volumes previously on various systems. I don't recall being prompted for a password ever before for any lvm volume. I have a query out in the #lvm channel also. It makes sense for it to ask, but I'm wondering why I don't recall | 06:52 |
| systemdlete | this happening in the past. | 06:52 |
| martinleger | another one here : https://github.com/tobimensch/aqemu/issues/90 i see now why I can't find answers to my problem, this software is abandoned | 06:53 |
| systemdlete | won too three for (homophones are phun!) | 06:57 |
| systemdlete | martinleger, just a heads up: I tried using virt-manager (vmm?) and I found it was broken also. That was months ago, maybe they've fixed one or to things since then. | 07:00 |
| systemdlete | I hope your luck with it is better than mine. | 07:01 |
| systemdlete | iirc, it was not generating the correct calling sequence for qemu (that's mainly what it does, actually, generate calls to qemu). Seems that qemu's command line options changed a bit but aqemu did not get an update for those changes. | 07:02 |
| martinleger | systemdlete, ok thanks for the heads up i'm gonna tinker with it right now and let u know how things go | 07:13 |
| martinleger | i like aqemu but i can install vms and have internet on them without having to launch a service with root privileges and it just works for the basic stuffs | 07:14 |
| martinleger | unfortunately no shared folders working neither usb devices, its a shame that this software is not maintained anymore because i really like the simplicity of it but i wont going back on virtualbox though | 07:15 |
| rrq | I use plain qemu through bash script for editing arguments | 07:17 |
| martinleger | hope you found answers to your lvm questions systemdlete | 07:17 |
| systemdlete | no, not yet | 07:18 |
| martinleger | rrq, i'll have to learn that - i have no knowledge about qemu atm | 07:18 |
| rrq | click the "Show QEMU Arguments" button and then you see how it's done | 07:18 |
| rrq | for usb passthrough the user needs rw acces to the /dev/bus/xxx/yyy device node | 07:19 |
| rrq | a light touch up of the ude crules can get that to happen (via some group) on the plug event | 07:20 |
| rrq | ude = udev and crules = rules | 07:21 |
| martinleger | does I need to chmod 777 /dev/bus/myusbdevice with root ? | 07:21 |
| martinleger | do* | 07:21 |
| rrq | that would work | 07:21 |
| martinleger | yea i dont think it is safe to change permissions with root like that on file system | 07:21 |
| rrq | (though 666 is enough) | 07:21 |
| martinleger | im not comfortable enough to do that | 07:22 |
| martinleger | is it safe to do ? | 07:22 |
| martinleger | i dont know | 07:22 |
| rrq | if you are lone on the system it should be fine; the node goes away when you unplug | 07:22 |
| martinleger | oh ok | 07:22 |
| martinleger | thanks I'll write down what you said | 07:23 |
| martinleger | no way | 07:28 |
| martinleger | i cant believe it | 07:28 |
| martinleger | it just straight up works ! out of the box | 07:28 |
| martinleger | it's even better than aqemu | 07:29 |
| martinleger | systemdlete, just install virt-manager and its dependencies - it should work . at least for me it worked | 07:30 |
| martinleger | thank you so much guys | 07:30 |
| systemdlete | martinleger, it was aqemu that was giving me problems, iirc | 07:32 |
| systemdlete | but this was many months ago | 07:32 |
| martinleger | but did you try virt-manager ? | 07:32 |
| martinleger | sounds is working out of the box | 07:32 |
| systemdlete | yes, I tried both and had little luck with either. | 07:32 |
| martinleger | i can connect my usb flash drive as well | 07:32 |
| martinleger | try it again man i swear it is working for me | 07:33 |
| martinleger | and install of windows is so much faster too | 07:33 |
| systemdlete | hmmm. maybe I'll try that. | 07:33 |
| systemdlete | but atm, I am busy with something else. | 07:33 |
| martinleger | i wasted 2 hours on aqem | 07:33 |
| martinleger | aqemu - and spent 10 min on virt-manager | 07:33 |
| systemdlete | oh | 07:33 |
| systemdlete | i think I remember now. | 07:33 |
| systemdlete | when virt-manager creates an interface, it creates a lot of extra stuff-- take a look at "ip l" and you will see what I mean. If all I want is a simple, straightforward interface, I don't see what the need for a bridge and other devices really is. That doesn't emulate a real environment too closely, imo. But that is just window dressing for the most part. If all that extra clutter doesn't bug you (and it probably doesn't) | 07:35 |
| systemdlete | then it's fine. | 07:35 |
| systemdlete | but I am fussy. I like the minimum to implement virtualization, or anything else for that matter. | 07:36 |
| systemdlete | I asked the dev one time, years back, why they chose to do it that way. He could not offer a good answer. He thought there HAD to be a bridge for every interface, which is not true. You can create a simple interface with qemu directly; I've done it. | 07:37 |
| systemdlete | straightfowardness is my middle name pretty much. I am not pleased having to use VirtualBox, but it does work, FWIW. It provides a very clean UI. I've used it for decades and I've not really had serious problems, except for one time, one of their releases broke for EVERYONE. They fixed it promptly. | 07:38 |
| systemdlete | There are people here and elsewhere who hate on vbox constantly, but I'm happy enough with it. The day that aqemu and/or virt-manager get cleaned up and working I will switch. | 07:39 |
| systemdlete | but this is getting OT and belongs in the offtopic channel already... | 07:40 |
| systemdlete | and, yes, like you I found aqemu to be a total waste of time. | 07:40 |
| martinleger | oh ok i didn't know about the extra stuff on the interface, i must admit i havent checked upon that - i have a new interface virbr0: but thats it - i dont like having multiple stuffs if i only need one simple thing | 07:46 |
| martinleger | im like u on that but i really need to get usb devices pass through on vms for work and i dont want to bother learning qemu cli at the moment, i dont have time for that - maybe later when i have time but linux in general is constant learning at least for me | 07:47 |
| martinleger | which i still love but right now i dont have much time for that | 07:48 |
| Havelock_ | Hello, looking for a init-script for ceph. Especially one with working support for ceph-volume. | 15:27 |
| devusr | im unclear about something. is devuan still using debian sources and forking each release in parallel or is it now 100% independent? not sure if im using the right terms | 15:29 |
| debdog | devusr: the former | 15:29 |
| devusr | ok thank you | 15:29 |
| gnarface | devusr: most the packages aren't even altered or rebuilt | 15:43 |
| devusr | gnarface: i thought that is what i understood too. I saw a few devuan presentations on youtube and wanted to clarify | 15:47 |
| gnarface | yes, the unaltered packages aren't even rehosted, the amprolla system feeds them through to you via http redirect to actual debian repos | 15:49 |
| devusr | oh ok that is probably where my confusion came from | 15:49 |
| gnarface | the i386 and amd64 kernels are the literally identical packages from debian, so you shouldn't have any driver issues unique to devuan | 15:50 |
| gnarface | (the various arm images are for boards debian doesn't even support so those all have custom kernels and ymmv) | 15:50 |
| devusr | i used linux for a very short time pre sysD. When i came back everything seemed weird and i kept hopping trying to figure out what i was missing from before. Once i learned about this sysD takeover, I found devuan and things felt sane again. | 16:06 |
| gnarface | it's a common story around here | 16:15 |
| gnarface | the primary issue people run into that's not related to actually missing systemd dependent software or features is just basic permissions; systemd grants the local console user free reign of all devices regardless of filesystem permissions (which is insecure but convenient if you never learned how to manage filesystem permissions) | 16:16 |
| gnarface | most issues that look like a driver issue turn out to actually be permissions | 16:17 |
| gnarface | but we also don't have many issues... funny how that happens when you stop aggressively rearranging shit every month | 16:17 |
| devusr | is there an article or case study on if/how sysD is a cyber risk? i only find kinda surface level stuff and 'unix philosophy' | 16:34 |
| devusr | i just wanted a more grounded argument besides it feels icky ha | 16:36 |
| gnarface | uh, not the first time this has come up but i'm not sure if there's a type of thing that really outlines how all their design decisions look like they're specifically paid for by organized crime | 16:38 |
| debdog | there probably is no evidence of that, not more than for any other system relvant software. I think it's the situation. Esp. looking at the Debian philosophy, it's not about integrating sysd, it's about removing all the other options. | 16:38 |
| gnarface | it's sorta my fault we're off on this tangent though, this is offtopic and a better conversation for #devuan-offtopic | 16:39 |
| gnarface | we try to reserve this channel for actual support issues | 16:39 |
| gnarface | ask in #devuan-offtopic, someone might have ... some links to something | 16:39 |
| gnarface | there certainly have been public mailing list posts about the vandalism of features | 16:40 |
| gnarface | and some editorial stuff | 16:40 |
| gnarface | i just don't have the links off the top of my head | 16:40 |
| devusr | ok appreciate it, thanks for your time again | 16:41 |
| debdog | and if all the other options are removed, there is one commong thing (except for the kernel) which ALL distros haven in common. that is, I think, a thread. you only have to implement one backdoor or what ever to gat them all. | 16:42 |
| debdog | and according to Linus, admittedly some years ago, there is no foul play in the kernel. | 16:44 |
| forsol | hello | 23:36 |
| forsol | is devuan completely opensource? | 23:36 |
| gnarface | yes | 23:37 |
| gnarface | well it has the same non-free packages debian does, but you don't need any of them | 23:37 |
| gnarface | is that what you meant? | 23:37 |
| forsol | non-free preinstalled? | 23:38 |
| forsol | yes | 23:38 |
| gnarface | nothing is pre-installed that you don't ask for | 23:38 |
| forsol | and is there a iso-snapshot-devuan o rdebian version for respinnig it? | 23:39 |
| gnarface | the installer does have the non-free wifi available in case you need it | 23:40 |
| gnarface | there is a live image if you want, it also does have the non-free stuff afaik | 23:40 |
| gnarface | the live image does NOT have the same ability to pick what you install though | 23:40 |
| gnarface | if you want to avoid non-free stuff you should probably not use the live image | 23:40 |
| gnarface | or do you mean like a way to make your own installer? | 23:42 |
| gnarface | check out refracta tools for that | 23:42 |
| gnarface | there is also git.devuan.org for the official build scripots | 23:42 |
| gnarface | scripts* | 23:42 |
| gnarface | sorry, not sure which you're asking for | 23:42 |
| forsol | Im looking to get a minimal debian systemd version, so I thought I could install devuan, strip it, and then make an iso from that to save it and install in my machines | 23:44 |
| gnarface | yea, that sounds like something you want to use refracta tools for | 23:45 |
| gnarface | refracta-snapshot, refracta-installer, something like that, not sure which | 23:45 |
| gnarface | check out the refracta tools | 23:45 |
| forsol | great | 23:45 |
| gnarface | they are maintained by fsmithred, one of the devuan maintainers | 23:45 |
| forsol | is there an OS caled refract also? | 23:45 |
| gnarface | yes, that's also what the live images are based on | 23:46 |
| gnarface | it's part of devuan now | 23:46 |
| forsol | aok | 23:46 |
| forsol | in devuan, the default repo is all free? | 23:47 |
| gnarface | just like debian, it has main, contrib, and non-free | 23:47 |
| gnarface | everything is just like debian was before systemd | 23:47 |
| gnarface | well, mostly anyway | 23:47 |
| gnarface | that part is the same | 23:47 |
| cytokine_storm | my wlan0 got renamed to wlan1 | 23:47 |
| cytokine_storm | how | 23:48 |
| gnarface | congrats! | 23:48 |
| gnarface | oh, not on purpose you mean | 23:48 |
| cytokine_storm | yea | 23:48 |
| forsol | thanks gnarface | 23:48 |
| cytokine_storm | after last update | 23:48 |
| gnarface | np forsol | 23:48 |
| cytokine_storm | what files should i check | 23:49 |
| gnarface | cytokine_storm: check in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-persistant-net.rules or something like that | 23:49 |
| gnarface | usually this happens if you change devices | 23:49 |
| cytokine_storm | okay | 23:49 |
| gnarface | or if you change mac addresses or something that makes it think you changed devices anyway | 23:49 |
| gnarface | run this: ls -l /etc/init.d/rules.d/*persistent-net* | 23:53 |
| forsol | last iso is from Oct 2019, is that right? | 23:54 |
| gnarface | latest stable might be, not sure... you looking in files.devuan.org? | 23:55 |
| gnarface | no i'm seeing oct 2021 actually | 23:55 |
| gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/ | 23:55 |
| gnarface | if you want stable, get it from here | 23:56 |
| cytokine_storm | kernel : [ 3.137021] iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3 wlan1: renamed from wlan0 | 23:56 |
| cytokine_storm | this is what i got in kernel message | 23:56 |
| cytokine_storm | where should i proceed now please | 23:57 |
| forsol | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/archive/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 23:57 |
| forsol | is that link official? | 23:57 |
| gnarface | yea i think that is an official mirror but ascii is pre-old stable | 23:58 |
| gnarface | you want chimaera for current stable | 23:58 |
| gnarface | cytokine_storm: did you run ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net* like i said? | 23:59 |
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