| gnarface | anyone playing with xorg options and amdgpu on daedalus lately? i was just testing some streaming stuff and i happened to notice 'Option "ShadowPrimary" "on"' causes Xorg i/o lock the machine | 07:47 |
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| gnarface | (at start up) | 07:47 |
| gnarface | using startx, no graphical login | 07:47 |
| FatPhil | Found some eudev weirdness in chimaera - my IDCard reader is given a device node 0664 root.root in chimaera, but was 0666 root.hotplug in beowulf. | 09:55 |
| FatPhil | both packages are version numbered 3.2.9-10 | 09:56 |
| FatPhil | 'tis a USB device | 09:56 |
| FatPhil | http://fatphil.org/tmp/omnikey.txt | 10:28 |
| unixbsd | hello | 10:38 |
| unixbsd | do you know where i can download ASCII rootfs armhf base (rootfs) from an FTP website? my box hasnt https/SSL. | 10:39 |
| djph | o_O | 10:39 |
| unixbsd | this maybe ?? https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.tar.gz | 10:43 |
| unixbsd | noooo !! it is https! | 10:43 |
| djph | how on earth do you not have something that can do TLS? | 10:44 |
| hagbard | Would plain old http do it for you? | 10:44 |
| unixbsd | yes | 10:44 |
| unixbsd | http plain without SSL stuff would be great | 10:45 |
| hagbard | http://devuan-cd.sedf.de/devuan_ascii/embedded/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.tar.gz | 10:45 |
| unixbsd | i neeed armhf | 10:45 |
| hagbard | Well, pick what you need: http://devuan-cd.sedf.de/devuan_ascii/embedded/ | 10:46 |
| unixbsd | does it work http://devuan-cd.sedf.de/devuan_ascii/embedded/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_raspi2.tar.gz for a RPI3 ?? | 10:46 |
| onefang_ | My FTP site seems to be popular for armf ISO downloads. Lemme check if its got ASCII. | 10:47 |
| unixbsd | # | 10:48 |
| unixbsd | # | 10:48 |
| unixbsd | because wget cannot handle SSL on my zaxxon | 10:48 |
| onefang_ | https://sledjhamr.org/devuan-cd/ ftp://sledjhamr.org/devuan-cd/ rsync://sledjhamr.org/devuan-cd/ It has ASCII. | 10:50 |
| * onefang chops my tail off. | 10:51 | |
| rrq | 8 | 12:15 |
| FatPhil | I've tried another card reader on the "working" beowulf, and that has a 0644 root.root dev node, and QEMU complains that the usb's not writeable, so that looks like the problem. | 12:53 |
| FatPhil | woop woop! I've found that I manually added a rule years ago under /etc/udev (which is odd, for various reasons), and had forgotten about it. | 12:56 |
| FatPhil | g/f doesn't have that same override, her nodes, from both my card reader and hers, are all 0664 root.root, but within her host OS, the reader works perfectly. | 12:58 |
| FatPhil | I only use mine from within a QEMU, so perhaps that's adding a layer of protection that can't be busted through | 12:59 |
| FatPhil | yeah, copied the rule across, everythinig works great | 14:13 |
| _jay_ | awesome :) | 14:20 |
| FatPhil | and now I've got a fully working system for everything I want to use the machine for... I shall unplug the hard disk, label it and mothball it, and do it all again on the lappy's original, larger, hard disk. | 14:38 |
| libretown | hey there! | 15:12 |
| FatPhil | bosh! windows + efi partitions wiped from the disk, nothing but devuan, and I'm all core installed and booted. | 16:19 |
| libretown | wooo! | 16:20 |
| libretown | congrars | 16:20 |
| _jay_ | #lifeisgood | 16:25 |
| FatPhil | should I be adding anything to my sources.list for a chimaera install? | 16:32 |
| FatPhil | always used to have some security repo, but that's not in the default list | 16:33 |
| FatPhil | I lie - it is there | 16:33 |
| bb|hcb | I would add chimaera-updates and chimaera-proposed-updates (the later is my preference) | 16:34 |
| FatPhil | I notice updates is there too | 16:34 |
| bb|hcb | With the updates you can play by using /devuan vs /merged - to get Devuan only updates or Devuan+Debian's | 16:35 |
| FatPhil | and now the painful task of installing firefox, and seeing it drag in 999 dependencies, none of which are wanted. | 16:41 |
| FatPhil | I don't want fricken 26MB of adwaita-icon-theme, as I use DWM not the gnome bloody desktop | 16:42 |
| _jay_ | Devuan ist just the BIOS. firefox is the operating system :D | 16:46 |
| _jay_ | FirefoxOS dominating us at last | 16:46 |
| hagbard | FatPhil: firefox (v111) doesn't have that as dependency | 16:47 |
| hagbard | Do you maybe have "treat recommends as dependencies" switched on somewhere, and it does get dragged in indirectly? | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | apt --no-install-recommends install firefox-esr | 16:50 |
| FatPhil | I did a minor herpderp, but aptitude why says firefox-esr depends on ligtk-3-0 depends on adwaita-icon-theme | 16:55 |
| rwp | Even better: echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "0";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local-no-recommends | 16:55 |
| rwp | Hmm... Aptitude. Aptitude needs: echo 'Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local-no-recommends | 16:56 |
| FatPhil | both APT::Install-Suggests "0"; and APT::Install-Recommends "0"; are in my apt.conf.d/99_local | 17:00 |
| FatPhil | not sure if I've encountered Recommends-Important before | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | I've never seen Recommends-Important. I just use the first line to block all Recommends and aptitude obeys that. | 17:02 |
| FatPhil | yeah, it's also worked in the past | 17:02 |
| rwp | I don't normally use aptitude at all but had that in my file from ages ago, possibly quite stale now, and so thought it was needed at one time. | 17:03 |
| FatPhil | alas, I had that 99_local file in the wrong place when I did the firefox install | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | APT::Install-Recommends "0"; <- this line (just to be clear) | 17:03 |
| FatPhil | that was my herpderp | 17:03 |
| hagbard | Hmm, yes, there is an actual indirect dependence. | 17:06 |
| FatPhil | is there a way of cleaning up the now-unwanted suggests and depends robomatically, or do I need to sniff out each offender manually? | 17:07 |
| hagbard | equivs would be a way to work around the adwaita-icon-theme dependence, if you absolutely have to. | 17:08 |
| hagbard | deborphan could help with listing unneeded recommends and suggests | 17:08 |
| FatPhil | heck, I'll happily go all driller killer on shit I really don't want | 17:09 |
| FatPhil | alas, deborphan gave no insights | 17:09 |
| hagbard | deborphan -an | 17:09 |
| hagbard | about equivs: https://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/blocking-deb-dependencies.html | 17:11 |
| rwp | I think once a Recommends is installed there is no easy way to remove them but... Try: apt-get autoremove --no-install-recommends | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | I would like to know if that last commnand works. ^^^ | 17:36 |
| rwp | I was trying to find a small package with a silly recommends that I could install with --install-recommends and then test it but haven't found a suitable test case for it. | 17:40 |
| FatPhil | hagbard: I'll give that a read later, sounds right up my street | 17:42 |
| FatPhil | just managed to uninstall >100 packages manually | 17:42 |
| FatPhil | I guess it makes sense to reboot just to check if I've got away with it! | 17:43 |
| FatPhil | seems to work | 17:49 |
| hagbard | If it still works, it isn't optimized enough. | 17:50 |
| rwp | For clarification the "seems to work" was your manual purging of unneeded recommends packages that you manually identified? | 17:51 |
| FatPhil | yup manually removing lots of gstreamer stuff, quite a bit of random stuff I have no idea what it was, but when I removed one thing I knew i didn't want sometimes 20 others would poof out of existence too, which is nice. | 17:58 |
| FatPhil | still have icon themes though :( | 17:58 |
| FatPhil | this seems to imply that equivs is still a useful tool: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/HackingDependencies | 17:59 |
| hagbard | It is. | 18:10 |
| FatPhil | qemu seems to have pulled in a lot too, it's not just firefox and its gtk deps that are bloating my install. | 18:14 |
| FatPhil | but my eyes have literally stopped working for the day, so time to stop worrying about that, and watch some cute fuzzy-blur videos instead | 18:15 |
| FatPhil | haha- it looks like people have been trying to solve debian's obsessive dependency disorder for nearly 20 years: https://www.brain-dump.org/blog/creating-dummy-packages-to-fulfil-dependencies-in-debian/ | 18:52 |
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