| Xenguy | lftp ? | 01:38 |
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| fsflp23 | Hi! Does anyone know what version of Plasma is available if I use KDE? | 07:05 |
| gnarface | fsflp23: you can check at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 07:07 |
| fsflp23 | Thanks! Do u know what I would enter to bring up the information? I'm very new to all this, sorry for not understanding..... | 07:13 |
| gnarface | fsflp23: uh.. not exactly sure but try searching for this: ^kde-full | 07:18 |
| gnarface | or maybe this: ^plasma-workspace | 07:19 |
| gnarface | kde is in a lot of packages so i don't exactly know which one you need to check | 07:19 |
| gnarface | oh, maybe it's this one: ^kde-plasma-desktop | 07:20 |
| gnarface | anyway, if you look up some basic regexp syntax it might give you a better idea of what to search for | 07:21 |
| gnarface | but if you have a running copy locally that might be easier because there won't be timeouts or limits on number of matches per search | 07:22 |
| fsflp23 | Thanks for helping me and teaching me something new! | 07:23 |
| gnarface | no problem | 07:23 |
| fsflp23 | I think I got what I needed. Was wanting to use latest version of Plasma but it looks like there is still an older version. | 07:24 |
| gnarface | there's live images you can use if you want to test without commitment | 07:24 |
| fsflp23 | Would I be able to upgrade to latest version of Plasma if I install this one or am I locked into this version until the Devuan repo updates it? | 07:25 |
| gnarface | which version are you talking about, the one in chimaera, daedalus, or ceres? | 07:26 |
| fsflp23 | I would use any of them that would allow me to get the latest release of Plasma. | 07:26 |
| fsflp23 | Or update to the latest release. | 07:27 |
| gnarface | well the one in ceres should be pretty recent, if that one is not new enough you have to wait (or compile it yourself from upstream sources) | 07:27 |
| gnarface | if you are talking about the version in chimaera or daedalus, you can always update to the next release to get a newer version | 07:28 |
| fsflp23 | OK, good to know. I will check again at the site you gave me. I was in a rush and dont know which one I looked up. | 07:28 |
| gnarface | well this search for example, returns every version available currently: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Ekde-full&x=submit | 07:29 |
| gnarface | unless it's actually this one... https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Eplasma-desktop&x=submit | 07:29 |
| gnarface | i'm not clear on whether you can have kde without plasma or not here | 07:29 |
| gnarface | is plasma an optional component or the default? | 07:29 |
| gnarface | ceres, chimaera, daedalus, ascii, jessie - those are the release names | 07:30 |
| gnarface | (in order of newest to oldest) | 07:31 |
| gnarface | sorry i got them swapped there | 07:31 |
| gnarface | and i left one out: it's ceres, daedalus, chimaera, beowulf, ascii, jessie | 07:31 |
| gnarface | but you get it | 07:31 |
| gnarface | ceres is the same as debian sid | 07:31 |
| gnarface | daedalus is current testing (bookworm) | 07:32 |
| gnarface | if you want to run some bleeding-edge version, you can probably still do it easily by compiling it yourself using the native distro tools, if they have a debianized source available (look for a "./debian/" top-level directory in the source tree) | 07:33 |
| fsflp23 | I'm gonna download the latest release and give it a shot. There are some new features I wanted in Plasma that I know are in the latest release but they could have been in other releases as well. | 07:33 |
| gnarface | well, relatively easily anyway | 07:33 |
| fsflp23 | Thats above my abilities. | 07:34 |
| onefang | Keep in mind that Debian / Devuan tends to have older stable things rather than bleeding edge. | 07:34 |
| gnarface | that's true but ceres should be pretty new | 07:34 |
| gnarface | it won't be ancient | 07:34 |
| fsflp23 | I will go with the latest version and wait if needed for updates. | 07:35 |
| gnarface | that sounds like the smart plan | 07:35 |
| fsflp23 | My main goal is to get on Devuan and my current OS is almost time to update so I thought this was a good time to make the switch. | 07:35 |
| fsflp23 | Would be nice for the latest features but I have been getting by without them until now.... | 07:36 |
| fsflp23 | Thanks for all the help!! | 07:36 |
| gnarface | no problem | 07:37 |
| gnarface | the general recommendation is to always install stable but there are testing installers up there too | 07:37 |
| gnarface | if you want to use ceres you have to upgrade to it | 07:37 |
| gnarface | i think | 07:37 |
| fsflp23 | I will go with the latest stable release that way I dont mess anything up trying to upgrade. | 07:38 |
| gnarface | the whole stable/testing/unstable designations thing works the same in devuan as debian, since they're tracking the releases individually | 07:39 |
| gnarface | (fyi most the packages are exactly the same package, served by http redirect from debian servers) | 07:39 |
| fsflp23 | Good to know, I was planning on spending a while just getting to know Devuan. | 07:40 |
| gnarface | if you already knew debian before systemd, it won't take much time | 07:40 |
| fsflp23 | I've been mostly on Ubuntu but I'm moving because I don't want systemd. | 07:41 |
| fsflp23 | Does all software that worked in Debian/Ubuntu work in Devuan or will some require systemd to work? | 07:42 |
| onefang | Those that require systemd we either fork or ban. | 07:43 |
| fsflp23 | So if I look up one and it is not available should I assume it is not forked and is banned if it is not listed? | 07:44 |
| fsflp23 | last question...does snap and flatpak work with devuan? | 07:46 |
| gnarface | fsflp23: the forked packages have "devuan" in the version string and the banned packages are listed here: http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 08:05 |
| gnarface | fsflp23: as for snap and flatpack, i'm not sure but i think it's snap yes, flatpack no | 08:05 |
| brocashelm | appimages work though | 08:11 |
| fsflp23 | thanks again for all the help! | 08:11 |
| fsflp23 | thanks about the appimages, i forgot to ask about those and need to use 1. | 08:12 |
| FatPhil | gnarface: how am I supposed to interpret that table, what does presence/absence of the code letter next to each package mean? | 11:00 |
| _jay_ | FatPhil: probably where it was banned from. E.g. libvirt0 is included in some repos, but there's none in chimaera-backports of chimaera-proposed-updates | 11:25 |
| _jay_ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=libvirt0&x=submit | 11:26 |
| _jay_ | libvirt0.[d1src:libvirt]............................................................|..................................C..D............. C = chimaera-backports D = chimaera-proposed-updates | 11:26 |
| _jay_ | E = chimaera-security is *NOT* present for this package, and based on above linked page it indeed does exist there. (of course not being blocked doesn't automatically imply a package must exist. could be new/introduced in upstream debian at some point) | 11:30 |
| _jay_ | er, I lied, it does NOT exist in E = chimaera-security, but it does exist in B = chimaera (not banned their either) | 11:31 |
| _jay_ | **there | 11:32 |
| FatPhil | just wondering why things might be in and out and in again | 11:33 |
| _jay_ | FatPhil: I guess it's not "out again" as much as either "didn't exist in upstream, no ban necessary" (probably often the case with additional -security/-updates/-backports repos), | 11:38 |
| _jay_ | or cases where backports for <old release> have a package version so new it depends on systemd, while main repo of <new release> is actually older than that backport and does not need systemd | 11:38 |
| _jay_ | That's my guess, anyway :P | 11:39 |
| asbesto | Hello there | 12:14 |
| asbesto | anyone I can talk about the devuan.org main site and download? | 12:14 |
| asbesto | Yo there | 17:16 |
| asbesto | Why is joe editor missing from Chimera? | 17:16 |
| onefang | I see joe editor in Chimaera. | 17:18 |
| onefang | Version 4.6-1+b1 | 17:19 |
| asbesto | I don't :/ I think I miss something in the repositories | 17:19 |
| asbesto | After installation in sources.list I only had cdrom as a source. IDK why | 17:20 |
| onefang | Did you run - apt update | 17:21 |
| asbesto | yes. but missing repo's. Added now :) | 17:22 |
| onefang | So Joe came back to you? | 17:24 |
| asbesto | nope :/ | 17:24 |
| asbesto | can you post a sources.list ? | 17:24 |
| asbesto | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main contrib non-free | 17:25 |
| asbesto | deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main contrib non-free | 17:25 |
| asbesto | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main contrib non-free | 17:25 |
| asbesto | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main contrib non-free | 17:25 |
| asbesto | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main contrib non-free | 17:25 |
| asbesto | #deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main contrib non-free | 17:25 |
| asbesto | this is mine | 17:25 |
| asbesto | ok lemme try, dont worry | 17:25 |
| onefang | You are missing - chimaera main contrib non-free | 17:26 |
| asbesto | yep | 17:26 |
| asbesto | saw it :D | 17:26 |
| asbesto | TY :) | 17:26 |
| onefang | Also, it's best to not use pkgmaster, coz it's the master repo for all our mirrors, so we try to keep it's load down. | 17:27 |
| asbesto | OK | 17:27 |
| Centurion_Dan | Did I miss the meeting? | 21:14 |
| nemo | there was a meeting? | 21:22 |
| fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, meeting starts about now. | 21:31 |
| golinux | About to be | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | or about to not be | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | that is the question | 21:32 |
| FatPhil | Nah, BB is just S&P's rating of it | 21:55 |
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