| tom-1 | gnarface: Hello . Thank you for your answer . Could you explain what you mean? How can I specify in the settings that network-manager uses only one network interface? | 08:56 |
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| gnarface | tom-1: sorry, off the top of my head i don't know because i don't use network manager. i assume it can do it, but that could be naive. stick around to talk to someone who uses it. | 13:28 |
| PolaritonCondens | <tom-1> "gnarface: Hello . Thank you..." <- Within the [connection] stanza of the connection config file, you can specify something like "interface-name=enp38s0f1". | 14:02 |
| tom-1 | Thanks a lot for your advice! I'll try them out and see... | 18:40 |
| alphalpha | Hooiii | 20:18 |
| gnarface | hey alphalpha, if you have questions just ask. it's a slow channel but someone will answer eventually. | 20:19 |
| alphalpha | i remember HOAS posted a script on the forums to convert systemd services to sysv but i cant find it | 20:20 |
| gnarface | hmm, i don't know where that is off the top of my head but certainly someone around here knows how to find it. | 20:21 |
| gnarface | golinux: do you happen to remember such a post? | 20:21 |
| fsmithred | alphalpha, there may be such a script somewhere in the sysvinit packages in ceres (or maybe in experimental), but I do also recall HoaS posting something. | 20:30 |
| alphalpha | nvm i dont need it anymore | 20:36 |
| eyalroz | So... I've been ganged up on recently in a HackerNews post that mentioned Devuan, by several people claiming that "Devuan ... for more than a year and a half had a bug which resulted in the empty string being set as root password" | 21:18 |
| eyalroz | I'm guessing they mean this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5679 ... | 21:18 |
| eyalroz | I don't to pile on you guys; | 21:20 |
| eyalroz | but I was wondering - has this indeed been a serious issue, or does it sound worse than it is? | 21:20 |
| gnarface | well, i mean, it only affects people who didn't set a root password to begin with so... | 21:21 |
| gnarface | and of them, only people working from the live imags | 21:21 |
| gnarface | which are meant for... hardware compatibility testing | 21:22 |
| gnarface | and incidentally, that post is by the refracta maintainer | 21:22 |
| gnarface | so, yes, in my very unofficial opinion, they're making a mountain out of a mole hill | 21:23 |
| gnarface | meanwhile systemd ignores permissions for the local console user and THAT'S BY DESIGN!!! | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, it's possible that the installer bug has caused a serious problem for someone, but I haven't heard of it happening. Surely someone would have said something sooner if they had noticed it. | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | and... | 21:40 |
| FatPhil | have I herped the derp, or is there no more "don't format this partition" option in the installer? | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | it's fixed. | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | the live installer has "don't format any partitions" | 21:41 |
| fsmithred | but not selectively to format one and not another. | 21:41 |
| FatPhil | "any" is **VERY** different from "this" | 21:41 |
| FatPhil | It used to, back in the 80s | 21:41 |
| fsmithred | also, the live installer does not do any partitioning. | 21:41 |
| gnarface | FatPhil: you using the live installer not the net installer? | 21:42 |
| FatPhil | herpy mcderpface, the installer definitely does partitioning | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | then you are using d-i | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | debian-installer (devuan installer in the installer isos, not the live-isos.) | 21:43 |
| FatPhil | dunno - downloaded an iso. So I'm doing "d-i" as in "downloaded iso" | 21:43 |
| FatPhil | however, if the two are different... | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | lol, no I meant d-i = debian-installer | 21:44 |
| FatPhil | ** WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY DIFFERENT *** | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | the live isos use refractainstaller | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | because I'm too dumb to figure out how to get d-i into the live isos. | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | and nobody will hold my hand and walk me through it. | 21:44 |
| FatPhil | I'm sure that's not the case | 21:44 |
| FatPhil | But making them have the same options would be the humane thing to do | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | yes, I agree. | 21:45 |
| FatPhil | What did debian do wrong such that they left others in such an intractable position?!?! | 21:46 |
| gnarface | wait, certainly the regular installer does let you not format certain partitions. you might have to make sure not to select "guided" partitioning | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | not sure what you're asking. Maybe I misunderstand, but I think I could give you a list of things they've done wrong. | 21:47 |
| FatPhil | I never guided, guided is retarded | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | yes, the regular installer does some very good partitioning. | 21:47 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: "meanwhile systemd ignores permissions for the local console user and THAT'S BY DESIGN!!!" <- Not quite sure what you mean here... which permissions? | 21:47 |
| FatPhil | Historically, you could mount this partition as ..., but also select "don't format this partition" | 21:47 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: all filesystem permissions | 21:48 |
| FatPhil | because, you know, perhaps /usr/local, or /home, might contain prior data that might be of value to someone | 21:48 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: or at least the ones in /dev/ anyway, which is plenty to do damage | 21:48 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: So, if I'm a non-root console user, I can write wherever I want? | 21:48 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: you might have to accomplish it by writing to /dev/sda directly but yea | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, if you have been affected by that bug (i.e. you installed chimaera or daedalus from one of the live isos AND you selected "sudo as default; disable root account.) you can easily fix it with 'sudo passwd -l root' | 21:49 |
| buZz | fsmithred: does that even need -l root on sudo'ing? | 21:50 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Really? That's kind of stunning... are you sure it's not just in runlevel 1 or something? | 21:50 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I haven't been affected, because I always set a root password and I don't like sudo (I like su...) | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | buZz, it needs it if you have a passwordless root account and don't want that. | 21:50 |
| eyalroz | (... and I cannot lie.)( | 21:50 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: well what i'm sure of is i had to learn how to write custom udev rules for my Steam Controller because systemd doesn't enforce any permissions on input devices | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | same here, eyalroz, which is why I never noticed it. | 21:51 |
| buZz | fsmithred: ah i would assume just setting passwd would be enough then | 21:51 |
| buZz | TIL | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, setting password also will be good. | 21:51 |
| buZz | so just 'sudo passwd' ? | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | but the only people who are affected are the ones who wanted to disable root account. | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | root login, I mean. | 21:51 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Is this bug reported anywhere? It's definitely something I could use as a comeback ("Oh yeah? Well XXX") | 21:51 |
| buZz | oooo -l , because there's no shell defined yet? | 21:52 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: it's not a bug, it's by design, and i strongly recommend against getting into debates with people irrational enough to use systemd and then on the other hand claim they give a shit about security | 21:52 |
| buZz | no, -l is 'lock password' | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | uh, the shell is defined in /etc/passwd. The... yeah | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | lock | 21:52 |
| buZz | :) | 21:52 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: (remember, brought to you by the same people who decided the system shutdown doesn't need to wait for filesystems to unmount anymore because "journaling obsoletes the need to properly shutdown") | 21:55 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Let me ask another question though. In the live-isos, is the "don't define root password" option the default, or do you have to explicitly select that? | 21:58 |
| gnarface | honestly i don't know. i haven't seen a recent one. | 21:58 |
| gnarface | i typically have used the netinstall images, though my last few installs have been with debootstrap | 21:59 |
| n4dir | who wouldn't love a debootstrap install ? | 22:00 |
| gnarface | there's little in the way of other choices for many arm devices | 22:00 |
| n4dir | didn't know, but i meant it serious. debootstrap is kinda fun, if you have the time | 22:01 |
| gnarface | oh, well it certainly is a convenient way to get a minimal rootfs | 22:02 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: It was the same for me, except for one time I dist-upgraded. | 22:03 |
| n4dir | also quite some linux distros have debootstrap, so if you got one on a stick or CD already, you are ready to go | 22:03 |
| n4dir | say you can only boot from CD, got no more free CD's around, but another distro on one, such cases | 22:03 |
| gnarface | did debian ever patch their version of debootstrap to allow you to use it with devuan yet? | 22:05 |
| n4dir | i do remember i installed devuan via debian debootstrap, but needed help from fsmithred. Perhaps i remember wrong. Been a few years | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, you have to choose the sudo as default option (or another option) | 22:08 |
| n4dir | i haven't even installed in a few years, neither this way nor the other | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | choices are normal root account without sudo, sudo allowed for shutdown/reboot, sudo for everything with a root account, sudo for everything without root login possible. | 22:08 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: So if I next-next-next'ed, or ok-ok-oked, it would not be chosen? I'm trying to establish the "exoticity" of the situation | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | it would keep asking you to make a choice | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | never, ever would I make sudo an automatic default. | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | sudo is there for everything in the live environment, without password. That's build into live-config. | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | can be disabled, but that would be annoying for almost everyone testing out the live iso. | 22:11 |
| n4dir | you do run in liveISOs which are not passwordless though. | 22:12 |
| n4dir | not much fun finding that info "somewhere" | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | right | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | been there, done that. | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, I guess the incidence of this bug is about as exotic as former ubuntu users who switch to devuan and use the live installer. I expect there are a few out there. | 22:13 |
| n4dir | most of the time that is the most important thing you want to know, and they hide it somehwere in the middle of nowhere. iirc for a version of debian-live it was not to be found at all. ha ha | 22:13 |
| eyalroz | n4dir: "they" <- Do you mean Ubuntu people, or Devuan people, or refracta people? | 22:15 |
| n4dir | eyalroz: no, it was not devuan. I forgot which distros those were | 22:15 |
| n4dir | not ubuntu either | 22:15 |
| n4dir | refracta is as easy as it could get. user:user root:root | 22:15 |
| eyalroz | Anyway, I should probably not be wasting my time on this, a hunger striker just died the other day because prison authorities did not allow him to get appropriate medical attention. | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | where? | 22:16 |
| eyalroz | nm, sorry, I shouldn't have brought that up, I don't want to take this chat into that kind of politics. It's in Palestine/Israel. | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | yeah, good point. but thanks for the answer. | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | I assumed US | 22:17 |
| eyalroz | "Eyal" is a Hebrew name, it means "strength"... | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | good name | 22:18 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Not if you're the guy who always got picked last for football matchups and was using an inhaler T_T | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | oops. | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | we should move to OT or PM | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | I was next-to-last picked. | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | afk | 22:37 |
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