| FatPhil | yeah, take it to OT ... for reasons ... | 01:38 |
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| irgendwer4711 | hi, I have a problem bootstrappging devuan, because key 94532124541922FB is unkown. I tried almost everything to import it | 10:57 |
| irgendwer4711 | problem gone | 11:26 |
| buZz | gee, so annoying 'problem gone' but not saying what it was | 13:42 |
| debdog | in such cases I think PEBKAC is sve to assume | 13:45 |
| chomwitt | Why in a desktopless Daedalus installatiion i see system log messages in my login screen ? | 14:13 |
| buZz | chomwitt: press alt+f2 ? :P | 14:17 |
| buZz | chomwitt: likely because its not being redirected elsewhere | 14:17 |
| buZz | you could add 'quiet' to kernel parameters to get less messages in screen | 14:17 |
| chomwitt | Ctrl - alt - Fx to access virtual terminals has a problem. | 14:19 |
| chomwitt | In my dual screen setup when i hit Ctl-Alt-F7 to return to GUI my on screen has terminal mode | 14:20 |
| chomwitt | i will reboot to test. | 14:20 |
| chomwitt | In Chimaera i dont have that issue | 14:21 |
| chomwitt | strange. according to arandr my one screen is lost!! | 14:23 |
| buZz | oh, so not desktopless | 14:23 |
| buZz | you're running X , and getting console messages in X? | 14:23 |
| chomwitt | buZz, sorry . i meant i did a desktopless installation and i have no login manager | 14:23 |
| chomwitt | so when i boot devuan i see the terminal | 14:24 |
| buZz | ok and on terminal you get console messages? i'm not sure what the problem is | 14:25 |
| chomwitt | ok .anyway i have two issues now. I will reboot | 14:26 |
| debdog | chomwitt: /etc/sysctl.conf at the top: "# Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console" | 14:29 |
| debdog | hmm, seems reboot didn't went well... | 14:30 |
| buZz | 'now what was the command for irssi ...' | 14:31 |
| debdog | hehe | 14:32 |
| * debdog is afk in a bit, if someone will relay that message, please. | 14:33 | |
| debdog | I am very certain this has been that way for many years. almost certain this happened even before the first devuan release. | 14:34 |
| buZz | yeah me too | 14:37 |
| buZz | but this > 14:20:16 < chomwitt> In my dual screen setup when i hit Ctl-Alt-F7 to return to GUI my on screen has terminal mode | 14:37 |
| buZz | is that maybe a wayland issue? | 14:38 |
| debdog | https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=132630 2008 | 14:38 |
| buZz | or using fbdev instead of real gpu driver? | 14:38 |
| buZz | i bet they already solved it themselves | 15:30 |
| buZz | :) | 15:30 |
| rustyaxe | all the things just work in testing. Come to the dark side. It's easier on the eyes :) | 17:12 |
| buZz | hey chomwitt | 17:13 |
| buZz | fixed it? | 17:13 |
| buZz | chomwitt: debdog tipped this ; 14:29:54 < debdog> chomwitt: /etc/sysctl.conf at the top: "# Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console" | 17:13 |
| buZz | and 14:38:10 < debdog> https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=132630 2008 | 17:13 |
| rustyaxe | Oh no kerberos has borken | 17:14 |
| buZz | rustyaxe: just move to testing | 17:14 |
| buZz | :) | 17:14 |
| rustyaxe | buZz: Its hosted on fedora tho :P | 17:14 |
| buZz | devudora? | 17:14 |
| rustyaxe | Seems the machine that handles SSO has gone too lunch and no longer cares to respond even to pings :O | 17:15 |
| buZz | ah, good riddance | 17:15 |
| rustyaxe | compy prompted me for a password sshing to something at work and ive never actually seen that before. Im not even sure i have a local account lol | 17:15 |
| rustyaxe | Time to piss off and work on my own projects | 17:16 |
| buZz | pubkey not in place for root@ ? :) | 17:16 |
| rustyaxe | lord no. we login as users then sudo up so auditd can actually generate useful audit trails.. :P Every command run in sudo is logged with the real uid of the user | 17:17 |
| rustyaxe | But someone has been dispatched to power cycle the machine gone to lunch. | 17:17 |
| rustyaxe | if they'd fix the geoip crap giving me west coast servers, i wouldnt have stale hosts entries forcing things to $GoneToLunchMachine. but they only understand docker and containers and javascript :o | 17:21 |
| chomwitt | In a new Daedalus installation /var/log/syslog is increasing its size continously (50MB per day) with dhclient 'Failed to get interface index. No such device' | 17:41 |
| FatPhil | make sure you compress on log rotation. my mail logs bloat that much, but it's mostly the same rejections, only the IPs and account names change. | 17:43 |
| FatPhil | you could also try an alternative dhcp client if you think nothing should be failing - udhcp has worked fine for me (it also lets me remove some dependencies on big old bloaty libraries I don't want) | 17:44 |
| chomwitt | FatPhil, Repeatedly the same message is added: dhclient[2336]: Failed to get interface index: No such device (with another 10 lines of suggestions) | 17:45 |
| chomwitt | FatPhil, ok | 17:45 |
| chomwitt | i will try another dhcpd | 17:45 |
| FatPhil | does it say what device it's looking for and failing to find? | 17:46 |
| FatPhil | do you have anything non-default in your /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf? I've never needed to run anything non-default. | 17:47 |
| chomwitt | my connection failed. | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | I just got bumped too. | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | Seems to happen a lot at my current location. I blame it on clouds. | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | did you see this last question: <FatPhil> does it say what device it's looking for and failing to find? | 17:55 |
| chomwitt | no it doesnt | 17:55 |
| chomwitt | now i install udhcpc | 17:55 |
| fsmithred | Are you using /etc/network/interfaces or NetworkManager or some other network software? | 17:57 |
| chomwitt | update-alternatives --get-selections wont show me dhcp deamons to choose | 17:58 |
| chomwitt | should i purge dhcpcd ? | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea. | 17:59 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, nothing. i started from a desktopless installation and i just installed xorg and awesome | 17:59 |
| fsmithred | in chimaera I have isc-dhcp-client and -common | 18:00 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, i purged it. ill try udhcpc | 18:01 |
| chomwitt | rebooting | 18:01 |
| FatPhil | udhcpc seems to be missing "Provides: dhcp-client | 18:01 |
| FatPhil | I always found that udhcpc connected more swiftly than the ISC tools. Pretty sure it's not psychosomatic. | 18:02 |
| fsmithred | it claims to be small, so maybe it's not your imagination. | 18:05 |
| gnarface | the key feature of the ISC tools is they actually follow the standards correctly, so you install them when you're having compatibility problems with the other stuff | 18:05 |
| chomwitt | my syslog is ok now! | 18:08 |
| chomwitt | i mean with udhcpc. | 18:12 |
| chomwitt | Why would dbus display messages in my login tty1 ? I dont use gui login manager. | 18:34 |
| gnarface | some rsylogd default setting echoes certain system messages to the console | 18:36 |
| buZz | chomwitt: | 18:36 |
| buZz | 17:13:23 < buZz> chomwitt: debdog tipped this ; 14:29:54 < debdog> chomwitt: /etc/sysctl.conf at the top: "# Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console" | 18:36 |
| buZz | 17:13:28 < buZz> and 14:38:10 < debdog> https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=132630 2008 | 18:36 |
| gnarface | you can turn it off, i forget the exact line | 18:36 |
| chomwitt | dbus (pid 1731) 1s . ok run dbus (1731) ok run elogind (pid 1731) | 18:36 |
| chomwitt | one moment to find that | 18:37 |
| chomwitt | ok . i reboot to test | 18:38 |
| chomwitt | that didnt help | 18:47 |
| chomwitt | i think after booting i see various messages and it seems that the last messages (by bad synchronization ? ) are dropped just as tty1 has started | 18:49 |
| chomwitt | i mean after that i dont see any other messages | 18:49 |
| hacksenwerk | Hi. I tried to install devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20230501_amd64_netinstall.iso on a hdd connected to my computer via usb and without internet connection. But at partitioning the encryption fails, no matter if guided or manually done. in /var/log/syslog it says: "partman-crypto: libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_exit to work" | 19:04 |
| gnarface | fsmithred, you know about this? | 19:12 |
| gnarface | hacksenwerk: someone probably knows, but i don't. just stick around. | 19:21 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: ok. :) | 19:22 |
| hacksenwerk | I thought it is a bug maybe. | 19:22 |
| n4dir | hacksenwerk: you want to test the preview-iso, or your main goal is to get a running daedalus installation? | 19:23 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: last | 19:23 |
| n4dir | if the latter you could use the "old" netinst, then upgrade | 19:23 |
| hacksenwerk | the chimeara netinst? | 19:23 |
| n4dir | been ages i've done encrypted installations | 19:23 |
| n4dir | hacksenwerk: yup, that is what i would do | 19:24 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: been ages i've done them unencrypted ;) | 19:24 |
| hacksenwerk | hmm... | 19:24 |
| hacksenwerk | Maybe I wait a bit longer till the next daedalus release | 19:25 |
| n4dir | though, assuming you used the default way for an encrpyted installation, i recall with lvm and such, then it seems like a "bug" | 19:25 |
| n4dir | or at least a problem people might want to know about | 19:25 |
| hacksenwerk | yeah lvm | 19:25 |
| n4dir | that should really "just work", imho | 19:25 |
| hacksenwerk | yup | 19:25 |
| n4dir | not much the user could do wrong, iirc | 19:25 |
| hacksenwerk | but it's not a big deal and I'm not in a hurry to install devuan daedalus right now. So I'm fine with it. ^^ | 19:26 |
| hacksenwerk | I just thought it is an issue of interest. | 19:26 |
| n4dir | got you, but whoever is in charge probably wants to know (i am not in the internals or logistics of devuan) | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | hacksenwerk, I guess what is needed is not in the iso, so you would need the network or a bigger iso. | 19:43 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: hmm... but it was possible in the past | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | maybe. The contents of the isos from one release to the next may change. | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | Sometimes because of size (like there's no graphical install on the installer isos now) | 19:49 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: I definitely won't use the internet at installation, I never do that. | 19:49 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: ncurses installer is fine, but it should be possible to encrypted my disk without an internet connection... :( | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | get the desktop dvd if you want a full desktop environment, or get the server dvd. | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | It is. You just can't do it with the iso that is designed to install from the network. | 19:50 |
| hacksenwerk | what has diskencryption to do with a desktop enviroment? | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | nothing | 19:50 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: but it was possibel in the past i'm sure. | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | but it might be related to which iso you pick. | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | I believe you. | 19:51 |
| hacksenwerk | I use netinstaller since years | 19:51 |
| hacksenwerk | after installation i configure apt and other stuff and then i run the first time an apt update | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | If you want details, you might need to sait until rrq is here, probably in a few hours. | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | sait/wait | 19:52 |
| hacksenwerk | i coud use the cd images when it is possible there to encrypt my disk | 19:53 |
| hacksenwerk | btw: why they begin at 2? wheres cd 1? | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I expect CD1 has what is needed | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | let me look | 19:54 |
| hacksenwerk | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/ | 19:56 |
| hacksenwerk | That's for amd64 and i386. | 19:56 |
| fsmithred | I guess the server iso acts like CD1. It's only about 750mb | 19:56 |
| hacksenwerk | And the signature is missing for those files. | 19:57 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: oh i hope so not... that's nearly the double amount of bytes as the netinstaller has... | 19:57 |
| fsmithred | there are .sha256 files for each of the isos. They are not signed and will not be signed until daedalus is ready for stable release. | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | those testing isos get replaced every week. | 19:59 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: Oh I see. I never used a testing image of devuan I guess.. ^^' | 20:00 |
| hacksenwerk | I think the last testing iso I used was Debian Stretch | 20:00 |
| hacksenwerk | But I had use some backport in Ascii | 20:01 |
| hacksenwerk | *backports | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | if you're doing offline install and want signed isos for security reasons, then you should probably start with chimaera netinstall iso and upgrade to daedalus. | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | upgrade is pretty fast and easy on a minimal system. | 20:02 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: yeah n4dir already suggests me that | 20:04 |
| hacksenwerk | But I think I will try the cd2 iso before. | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | ok. I don't know if that works with the netinstall or not. Let us know either way. | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | do you run a window manager or desktop environment? | 20:05 |
| n4dir | i sure do remember i once used the netinst and had no net and that wasn't that much fun (always going for no GUI during installation, so that was not the problem, but i don't recall the details) | 20:06 |
| n4dir | but if you always do it, then i believe you. | 20:06 |
| hacksenwerk | Because when this (imho) issue about no encryption possibility on the netinstaller iso will be the default in devuan, then I have to think about what I'm going to do in the future... Ilike to burn that netinstaller iso to a non rewriteable disc (pretty old school huh?) | 20:06 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: I use a customized minimal xfce | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | like I said, talk to rrq or else file a bug report on the installer-iso | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | and maybe that package will be put back. It might be missing because some package dependencies changed. | 20:07 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: it is the smallest iso and fits to a cdrom | 20:08 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: yeah i hope so. | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | We don't select every package in the isos. We select important packages and whatever they need gets pulled in automatically. | 20:08 |
| n4dir | hacksenwerk: yeah, right, but as the name says it expects net to be available. | 20:08 |
| n4dir | "usually" | 20:08 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: ok, I'm not familiar with that process. | 20:08 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: nah not for a minimal installation. ;) | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | You can't burn a bigger iso to dvd and boot from that? | 20:09 |
| n4dir | not trying to convince you. I said "i do believe you". I only did a bit of chat that i remember that one or two times it wasn't much fun for me. But if you are used to it, that really is your choice | 20:09 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: after that you can configure apt, run dhclient and run your own instalaltion and configuartion scripts (like I do it) | 20:10 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: yes sure, but dvds are more expensive than cds. Also you spare bandwith. | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the netinstall iso is supposed to contain enough to install a working system even if you have no network connection. | 20:10 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: i sure could install. And as said: i don't recall the details | 20:11 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: yup and that's very nice imho. especially for servers. | 20:11 |
| plasma41 | hacksenwerk: I usually do offline installs with netinstall media as well, but I've not tried setting up disk encryption in such a scenario. | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | I'm downloading that iso now to try it. | 20:19 |
| hacksenwerk | plasma41: cool. But I always thought encryption is already standard.... :( | 20:20 |
| hacksenwerk | We need more encryption guys! | 20:20 |
| hacksenwerk | If if quantum computing will come and break it all... xP | 20:20 |
| hacksenwerk | *Even if | 20:20 |
| n4dir | if someone breaks in my apartment, not having my data encrypted is not my biggest concern | 20:20 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: lol | 20:21 |
| hacksenwerk | but maybe it is! | 20:21 |
| n4dir | maybe yes. Right. I gave up on encryption because it added pain to chroot | 20:21 |
| n4dir | i think with UEFI, or how it is called, chroot is a pain anyway, so i might just as well encrypt | 20:21 |
| hacksenwerk | found your bank login data here in your password manager on your not-encrypted disk muhahaha! | 20:21 |
| n4dir | i don't do online banking | 20:22 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: UEFI?! Use libreboot or coreboot. | 20:22 |
| gnarface | encryption isn't very beneficial if your computers are never off | 20:22 |
| n4dir | also don't use a password-manager, it is a plain or encrypted file in ~/.ssh/my_passwords | 20:22 |
| n4dir | nope, .ssh/diverses/my... | 20:22 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: pass uses gpg too | 20:23 |
| n4dir | but all to be found here is really a music collection. I don't use a PC for real life stuff | 20:23 |
| hacksenwerk | it makes it easier to handle these files then always using gpg to decrypted encrypted... | 20:23 |
| n4dir | i do agree with what you say. Using encryption should be default. I simply don't care, but am not saying it is the right thing to do | 20:24 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: Oh! Sounds interesting. So you are not a so called "modern" human putting all your life on digital devices? How dare you!!! | 20:24 |
| hacksenwerk | ;) | 20:24 |
| n4dir | :-) | 20:24 |
| n4dir | now i will prepare a pizza. And here i can say: the right thing to do. Good luck, have fun, or perhaps later. | 20:24 |
| hacksenwerk | I am getting rid of my "smart"phone at the moment | 20:24 |
| n4dir | they suck hard, imho | 20:25 |
| hacksenwerk | I will get an old landline with a dial plate | 20:25 |
| n4dir | Eben Moglen, round the lines: "as soon you use a smartphone, thinking about security at all doesn't make sense anymore". :-) | 20:25 |
| hacksenwerk | n4dir: agree | 20:25 |
| hacksenwerk | Look at this beauty: https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc8.alamy.com%2Fcomp%2F2C0WFYG%2Ftelephone-phone-dial-plate-listener-retro-old-sign-signal-telephone-2C0WFYG.jpg&sp=1683138377Ta52ed8b817ff1a40e5b1b3fee9be07035e4b8949ecce48951b4c179ed183623b | 20:26 |
| hacksenwerk | You can fix it completly by yourself if something gets broken. No micro electronics needed. | 20:27 |
| hacksenwerk | And it has a real bell in it! | 20:28 |
| hacksenwerk | It is fun to replace all apps with real stuff. | 20:29 |
| hacksenwerk | .. sorry I went totally off-topic, because I am a lot enthusiastic about that progress at the moment. ^^' | 20:30 |
| gnarface | hacksenwerk: fyi we have a #devuan-offtopic for such banter | 20:32 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: yeah i'm sorry. | 20:33 |
| hacksenwerk | I'll test the cd2 iso now. | 20:33 |
| hacksenwerk | later | 20:34 |
| hacksenwerk | so... I don't know what the cd2 iso is, probably the cd2 iso... becuase it is definitely _not_ the cd1 iso... xP | 20:45 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: so server cd you said is cd1 then? | 20:45 |
| hacksenwerk | the server iso is 759MB ... thats a bit to big | 20:50 |
| hacksenwerk | I think I will just wait till the next daedalus release. Things are going to get good again for me, I'm sure! ^^ | 20:51 |
| gnarface | you should try to upgrade from a fresh chimaera install honestly | 20:52 |
| gnarface | might be easier | 20:52 |
| gnarface | just do a minimal chimaera install so the update is fast | 20:52 |
| rustyaxe | Today's random errno POSIX should have had but didn't... Some vendors, however implement it ; ) EUSER (814): User error, replace user. | 20:53 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: Yes I know, but the problem is that I always make a new install when a new stable release comes out. If that will no longer be possible for me with my way of installing, when daedalus will be stable, then I have to think about using another distro maybe... | 20:57 |
| hacksenwerk | slackware I'm coming! | 20:57 |
| hacksenwerk | lol | 20:57 |
| hacksenwerk | I will just wait and watch. ;) | 20:57 |
| gnarface | eh, i'm sure it'll get fixed eventually | 21:03 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: :D | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | I'm still downloading the netinstall iso. | 21:23 |
| gnarface | ouch | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | oh, it's much fun when I'm connected to my build server - keystrokes show up 2-5 seconds later. | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | the joys of satellite internet | 21:24 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: o0 | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | two more minutes | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | hacksenwerk, how much RAM does your computer have? | 21:28 |
| rwp | fsmithred, Use "mosh" on such high latency network links. FTW! Recommended! | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | mosh - Mobile shell that supports roaming and intelligent local echo | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ what does that mean? | 21:30 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: 3GB | 21:31 |
| rwp | mosh acts like an ssh replacement for interactive use (not non-interactive batch ssh) which uses UDP instead of TCP with local echo | 21:32 |
| rwp | This helps HUGELY on high latency connections like satellite links. | 21:33 |
| rwp | mosh uses ssh to initiate and set up the UDP connection. Is not a complete replacement for ssh. But feels like it for interactive connections. | 21:33 |
| rwp | I recommend using mosh with screen/tmux for reasons I would explain in detail if requested. | 21:34 |
| hacksenwerk | Interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosh_(software) | 21:36 |
| rwp | That's a good summary of the utility and the pros and cons of it. | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | the error regarding missing libgcc_s.so.1 occurs before the network mirror selection. | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | rrq ^^^ | 21:46 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: ah I see, I just checked the log right after the encryption failed, not before. | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | That's when I checked it. Network is set up before that, but mirror has not been selected, so no packages should be downloaded at that point. | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | I asked about the RAM because I've had installer fail to encrypt if I had too little memory. Now I can't remember if I needed 1G or 2G. This was in qemu. | 21:49 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: 2GB should be enough, I installed devuan and debian on severeal computers with "only" 2GB RAM the last years. | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | yeah, well I expected a lot less to be needed for the installer. Like 256mb | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | wtf??!! $ apt-cache rdepends libgcc-s1 | wc -l | 22:00 |
| fsmithred | 6867 | 22:00 |
| hacksenwerk | So it is just an accidentaly missing package. | 22:02 |
| hacksenwerk | yay! | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | priority is optional | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | well, it's some other problem because that package is in the iso. | 22:03 |
| hacksenwerk | oh | 22:04 |
| rwp | I routinely use the debian-installer on VMs with 1GB (and I think 512MB too) but I always configure a little bit of swap too. | 22:04 |
| rwp | I know the current fashion is to poo-poo any swap at all but I keep finding that a little bit of swap seems solve memory spikes that break me without any swap. | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | rwp, do you make an encrypted root partition with that little RAM? | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | that's where I ran into the problem | 22:05 |
| hacksenwerk | rwp: I really need swap here, but not as it was (or is?) always recommended (double of your ram) | 22:06 |
| hacksenwerk | If a have several tab open in firefox and maybe freetube running it swaps about 200 mb on my hard drive | 22:07 |
| gnarface | double your ram up to 128MB, after that it's probably safe to just match your ram | 22:08 |
| hacksenwerk | But maybe it depends also on the ram type not the amount alone | 22:08 |
| rwp | fsmithred, I don't usually encrypt my low memory VMs or Raspberry Pis. So, no. | 22:08 |
| gnarface | after 256MB, rather | 22:08 |
| hacksenwerk | I make always at least 1GB swap, just to be sure. The trend of modern programs goes into using even more ressources... | 22:09 |
| rwp | I am the odd one out in that I disable linux memory overcommit and revert to the classic Unix process memory model for reliable operation. | 22:10 |
| rwp | I realize that the cool kids these days embrace overcommit but then that comes with other problems on servers. | 22:11 |
| hacksenwerk | When you look at firefox, what this "thing" is capable of... I guess one day it is an OS | 22:11 |
| hacksenwerk | lol there _was_ firefox os an operating system for smartphones | 22:12 |
| rwp | I almost always find that there is around 400MB of pages swapped out to swap space on all of my systems. I find that quite acceptable. | 22:12 |
| hacksenwerk | rwp: do you use a ssd or a hdd? | 22:12 |
| n4dir | i never see swap being used. But then: i don't look that often anymore | 22:12 |
| n4dir | for quite some years i didn't add swap at all, probably i thought i would be cool by doing so. | 22:13 |
| golinux | Getting abit IT | 22:13 |
| golinux | OT | 22:13 |
| hacksenwerk | golinux: yes ^^' | 22:14 |
| rwp | hacksenwerk, Both. Either. Different needs on different machines. Laptops SSD only. For large storage systems only spinning is cost effective. | 22:14 |
| hacksenwerk | *adds devuan-offtopic to the channel list* | 22:14 |
| hacksenwerk | Ok I go to sleep. See ya all. | 22:15 |
| n4dir | hmm. I downloaded the daedalus-preview-netinst.iso, disabled networking in qemu, have choosen lvm with encryption, and "partitioning" has worked an the base system is installing now. fsmithred you could confirm it doesn't work? | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | interesting. I chose encrypted partition without lvm, manual partitioning | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | I also tried dropping to shell and creating the encrypted volume with cryptsetup and got the same error. | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | error came right after it asked to set the encryption password. | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, you got amd64 or i386 iso? | 22:29 |
| n4dir | well, grub gets installed, so though being tired as hell it seem to have worked. Will check tomorrow if i really made the right choices, but it seems straight forward | 22:30 |
| n4dir | 64, ot 386 | 22:30 |
| n4dir | 4 gigs of Ram in qemu | 22:30 |
| n4dir | i doubt i made an error, as using guided lvm encryption is easy enough. Not much i could do wrong | 22:30 |
| n4dir | damnit, rebooting, might check right now if it worked | 22:31 |
| fsmithred | see if it asks for a password | 22:31 |
| n4dir | yup, that is the plan | 22:31 |
| n4dir | does ask | 22:31 |
| n4dir | As far it is me it worked | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | weird | 22:33 |
| n4dir | i do recall doing it without lvm was more troublesome (not didn't work, required me to be more focused) | 22:34 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: sorry, i was wrong. I used i386 | 22:34 |
| n4dir | devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20230501_i386_netinstall.iso | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | thanks for testing | 22:35 |
| n4dir | weird it boots at all, as the qemu machine is set to 64 | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | that's ok | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | the other way doesn't work | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | can't run 64 on 32 hardware (or virtual) | 22:36 |
| n4dir | so there is no need for me test if it is 64 which fails? | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | if you want to test the amd64 iso, that would be good. Do the same thing you did, which is not what I did. | 22:36 |
| n4dir | got a quick link, it took me a while to find it | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | https://mirror.ungleich.ch/mirror/devuan/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20230501_amd64_netinstall.iso | 22:37 |
| n4dir | will do it right away, report in 15 minutes, then go to sleep | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 22:38 |
| n4dir | as in: won't wait for your answer. am really tired. see you | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | g'night | 22:40 |
| n4dir | what i also did do: cancel overwriting data (to save time) and using a seperated home. | 22:43 |
| fsmithred | same here | 22:43 |
| n4dir | for both 64 and i386. And the 64 already does "installing the base system", so it seems to have worked too | 22:43 |
| fsmithred | but no separate home. That shouldn't matter | 22:43 |
| n4dir | am i magic? | 22:43 |
| n4dir | i see nothing which could matter, but am not that much in the subject | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | you chose automatic partitioning | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | lvm with encryption instead of just encryption. | 22:44 |
| n4dir | that seems the main difference, and the lvm being involved | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's not making sense to me | 22:45 |
| n4dir | would be less confusing if an additional feature, lvm, would fail ... | 22:45 |
| n4dir | amd64 did work too, rebooted and all, as described. Good night all | 22:54 |
| chomwitt | those repos appeared automatically in my sources.list . amdgpu.list amdgpu-proprietary.list rocm.list . I guess it happend after downloading a amd gpu firmware from the new non-free-firmware repo section ? | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | chomwitt, which firmware packages did you install? | 23:23 |
| chomwitt | firmware-amd-graphics | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | or did you install amd packages directly from amd? | 23:23 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, sorry. i tried to install one from amd | 23:24 |
| chomwitt | but it didnt install | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | ah, that's probably where those files came from | 23:24 |
| chomwitt | adrenaline | 23:24 |
| chomwitt | so i forgot it | 23:24 |
| chomwitt | ok my mistake. sorry | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | remove them or comment out the lines in them. | 23:24 |
| chomwitt | ok | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | 'apt-file firmware-amd-graphics' doesn't show those files | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | or any files in /etc | 23:25 |
| rwp | I think those files came from the failed amd install. I would remove them and then see if anything did come through. (With apt-show-versions which possibly needs install.) | 23:26 |
| chomwitt | i removed them | 23:26 |
| chomwitt | rwp indeed. they must be leftovers of triying to install a linux package of 'adrenaline' | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | lol, oh, I thought you were saying that you were acting under the influence of adrenaline (the hormone) | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | or neurotransmitter, i guess | 23:28 |
| chomwitt | :-) | 23:29 |
| rwp | That's what I thought too. | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | been there, done that | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | dinner, bbl | 23:51 |
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