| psionic | So how am i better putting it into setup mode aint doing jack neither the rok menu comes up nor the cert listing inside it just says its in setup mode but secureboot is not enabled | 10:22 |
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| psionic | as I understood from the tut after that enrolment there should be a dialog box at next reboot but nope | 10:22 |
| psionic | SKIP: /var/lib/shim-signed/mok/MOK.der is already in the enrollment request | 10:23 |
| [-_-] | guys is there some way to pass important environment variables to a cron job? without explicitly giving them? | 12:04 |
| [-_-] | I mostly need to pass DISPLAY and XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | 12:05 |
| djph | [-_-]: no | 12:14 |
| [-_-] | :( | 12:15 |
| djph | you would need to set cron's environment. | 12:17 |
| [-_-] | you guys sure have built scripts to automatically fetch these variables for a users session, no? | 12:32 |
| djph | well, cron isn't an interactive session ... | 12:47 |
| [-_-] | :) | 12:48 |
| al1r4d | cronjob is the best | 13:24 |
| [-_-] | https://clbin.com/cEnrJ | 13:34 |
| [-_-] | there is no pypy on devuan? | 13:34 |
| djph | why would there be? Python2 is dead | 13:47 |
| Joril | I think the package is called pypy3 now | 13:47 |
| djph | indeed it is | 13:53 |
| brocashelm | yeah, it's been removed since chimaera | 14:03 |
| brocashelm | hence why wicd no longer "works" | 14:03 |
| djph | shame, wicd was so nice | 14:04 |
| djph | and I still can't make it work with python3, but that's more my lack of skill than anythnig | 14:04 |
| [-_-] | thanks Joril | 14:25 |
| [-_-] | hey, bluetooth speaker disconnects upon not using for some time, this is annoying | 14:41 |
| [-_-] | how do I keep it alive / | 14:41 |
| gnarface | i'd check to see if it was a feature before assuming it was a bug | 14:42 |
| gnarface | it might be interference or bad drivers, but it could also just be power management... | 14:43 |
| gnarface | especially if the speaker is battery powered | 14:44 |
| [-_-] | it prolly is, but on arch it used to remain connected, so I want it to remain connected here, thats all | 14:46 |
| [-_-] | I did not use pipewire on arch (my bad), so I think it is related to that | 14:46 |
| [-_-] | I use pipewire -> wireplumber -> pipewire-pulse | 14:47 |
| [-_-] | I think this can be configure, it is a feeling :D | 14:47 |
| gnarface | i don't know enough specifics about bluetooth, but in theory it could be either just a mere difference in default configurations or a difference in actual feature support | 14:49 |
| [-_-] | I found this : https://github.com/Arkq/bluez-alsa/issues/171 | 14:50 |
| [-_-] | now where do I have to change, that is what I need to figure out | 14:50 |
| gnarface | there's more than one bluetooth stack, you sure that's the one you're using? | 14:51 |
| gnarface | it does seem like a promising lead though | 14:52 |
| [-_-] | no I am not, arch wiki says bluez dropped alsa, onlp pulseaudio is supported now | 14:53 |
| gnarface | yea, that's the way i remember it, but recently i thought i saw some evidence someone had tried to resurrect bare alsa support for bluetooth | 14:53 |
| gnarface | maybe in bluez-alsa-utils? | 14:54 |
| gnarface | well, one would think pulseaudio should have control over this too though | 14:54 |
| gnarface | if all else fails maybe you can try their suggestion of a cron job that just periodically plays silence? | 14:55 |
| [-_-] | :D | 14:55 |
| gnarface | if that work-around fixes it at least you'd have pretty well isolated the cause of the issue | 14:56 |
| gnarface | (i'm assuming that keepalive patch just did the same thing from a lower level) | 14:56 |
| gnarface | someone around here has gotta know about this though | 14:58 |
| gnarface | i just stopped caring about bluetooth when they tried to make it a pulseaudio exclusive | 14:59 |
| [-_-] | another thing, if I use pipewire I can't get bluez gui to run | 15:00 |
| [-_-] | I have the systray icon, and I can access the menu and work from there but can't run gui | 15:00 |
| gnarface | i know that there's supposed to be some fundamental distinction between them, but to me, pipewire is just pulseaudio2 | 15:01 |
| gnarface | same people, same agenda, same quality control issues | 15:02 |
| gnarface | it's like they're just trying to rebrand themselves to avoid the bad publicity stuck to the previous name | 15:03 |
| [-_-] | nice strategy, it does work on mass people, me included | 15:03 |
| gnarface | yea, it didn't escape my notice that the moment after it was released there seemed to be a grassroots misinformation campaign launched to erase from public memory the shared origin of these two projects | 15:05 |
| rustyaxe | has anyone looked into making the pipewire-pulse package satisfy pulseaudio for other packages? or is that a thing where package maintainers should be putting pulseaudio | pipewire-pulse? | 15:05 |
| gnarface | .... it also didn't escape my notice that just like the previous iteration, it launched to much fanfare about fixing the fundamental problems with the previous one but in short order proved to create more drama than it fixed | 15:06 |
| rustyaxe | ill probably just make an empty pulseaudio package to install for now | 15:06 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: the dependency field in the package build is an easy thing to change... changing what the code itself actually depends on may or may not be though | 15:06 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: (but in answer to your question, i haven't, at least) | 15:07 |
| [-_-] | http://paste.wooledge.org/25579 | 15:07 |
| [-_-] | it is a dbus issue :( | 15:08 |
| [-_-] | dbus and systemd feels like the same thing, they prevent others from working :( | 15:08 |
| gnarface | dbus strikes again! | 15:08 |
| [-_-] | I will move to a dbusless system ! | 15:08 |
| [-_-] | kek, there is none | 15:08 |
| [-_-] | :( | 15:08 |
| rustyaxe | gnarface: So far i havent found anythings that haven't worked with pipewire-pulse -- the one thing that was messy was no worse off than pulseaudio screwing up audio for everything else | 15:08 |
| rustyaxe | [-_-]: Mmm less freedesktop[dot]org | 15:09 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: well, maybe it's worth a try then... building a dummy package vs changing one dependency field from the headers of an existing package should be similar effort level in a fair world... | 15:10 |
| rustyaxe | Oh nice. pipewire.org is broken at the moment too | 15:10 |
| onefang | I have a TODO item to throw dbus under a bus and write dcar. B-) | 15:19 |
| onefang | Alas I have too many TODOs. | 15:21 |
| gnarface | scroll lock key is disabled by default everywhere in linux now, or is this just an enlightenment misbehavior? | 16:22 |
| rustyaxe | funny enough i noticed recently that scrl lck disappeared from keyboards some years back rather silently | 17:02 |
| onefang | I've forgotten what it does. lol | 17:06 |
| rustyaxe | in a tty console, it pauses the text and you can ctrl-pgup/down to scroll | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | Last time I used scroll lock there were more zeroes in the year. | 17:07 |
| gnarface | it's the same thing as ctrl+s, but i've been using ctrl+s for so long i didn't notice when the actual scroll lock key got apparently independently disabled everywhere by unanimous decision | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | does shift-pgup still work? | 17:09 |
| gnarface | seriously, does anyone have it working by default in their window manager right now? | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | scroll lock? | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | lemme try | 17:10 |
| gnarface | yea | 17:10 |
| gnarface | shift+pgup/pgdown are functioning normally | 17:10 |
| gnarface | numlock and capslock keys work, as do their status lights | 17:11 |
| gnarface | scroll lock is ignored and the light doesn't even come on | 17:11 |
| gnarface | but xev reports it's firing and google searches suggest this is a "by-design" change in Linux | 17:11 |
| gnarface | but this is news to me | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | ok, looks like ctrl-s works. How do I unlock it? | 17:12 |
| onefang | No lights on this keyboard. No numlock either, but there is a scroll lock. | 17:12 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: ctrl+q to unlock | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | maybe not. I did get a prompt back. I might have been too slow | 17:12 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: if you start a long "find /" that's usually a suitable test case | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | yeah that worked | 17:12 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: with ctrl+s or with the scroll lock key? | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | no key on thinkpad | 17:13 |
| gnarface | oh, right | 17:13 |
| gnarface | not even a FN blue key? | 17:13 |
| gnarface | like something hidden in the silkscreening of one of the other keys? | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | oh maybe | 17:13 |
| gnarface | seems weird that it would be completely unfurnished but i guess i don't know | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | FnLk? | 17:14 |
| gnarface | sounds promising | 17:14 |
| onefang | Termit terminal on Awesome window manager, ctrl-s and q work, scroll lock doesn't. | 17:14 |
| onefang | CAPS LOCK works as well. | 17:15 |
| onefang | No number pad on this keyboard, so no num lock key. | 17:15 |
| gnarface | onefang: i think that's evidence the scroll lock key is disabled for both of us, but i'm not 100% clear on what's job that is (is it the window manager itself?) | 17:15 |
| gnarface | onefang: you don't even have one of those FN overlay number pads? | 17:16 |
| gnarface | like laptop keyboards do? | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | FnLk locks the Function key down | 17:16 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: doh! | 17:16 |
| onefang | Same result on an actual tty. | 17:17 |
| onefang | Happy Hacking II keyboard. | 17:17 |
| gnarface | eh, well, don't struggle with it too much guys, i probably wouldn't have noticed this unless i was testing a new keyboard. you've at least given me enough evidence to presume it's not faulty | 17:17 |
| onefang | Oh wait Happy Hacking Lite 2. lol | 17:19 |
| onefang | https://www.fentek-ind.com/hhlite2_us_layout.gif Except mines dvorak not qwerty. | 17:23 |
| gnarface | fucking hell man, you bought a 250$ keyboard with no labels, no status LEDs, and no numpad???? | 17:24 |
| gnarface | did it come with cocaine???? | 17:24 |
| onefang | No, a client bought it for me many years ago, and I like the lack of LEDs and numpad. | 17:25 |
| onefang | Labels? | 17:25 |
| gnarface | the one i'm looking at has no silkscreening at all on any of the keys | 17:25 |
| onefang | Ah I got labels on my keys, including the Fn labels. | 17:25 |
| gnarface | i was gonna say, i could have sent you one of my old ones that i'd worn the silkscreening off for free | 17:25 |
| onefang | Considering how tough and long my fingernails are, some of my keys have their tops gouged. lol | 17:26 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure i even wanna know what makes that thing so special | 17:26 |
| gnarface | heh, yea i was wearing holes through my old one too | 17:26 |
| onefang | Does include a 2 port USB hub, which was special back in the day. | 17:27 |
| gnarface | hmm, i see | 17:27 |
| onefang | But off topic. | 17:27 |
| gnarface | yea, my bad, sorry | 17:27 |
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