libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2023-12-31

grunchyneed help registering to galaxy forum01:53
gnarfacegrunchy: slow channel here, but someone will be with you eventually. stick around in case you need to answer some questions.01:58
gnarfacegolinux: ^01:58
rrqgrunchy: no luck with the registration page?02:26
gnarfacei assume it's the typical refusal of email issue, but golinux can just manually confirm the account02:29
onefanggrunchy already left.02:29
gnarfacetoo bad02:30
gnarfacepatience is a virtue02:30
onefangThey left seconds after you told them not to.  Patience is hard for some people.02:30
* rrq just saying, I have the power too :)02:31
Xenguy.oO( It was a ping timeout )02:34
gnarfacethat can happen if they just closed the window without quitting too though02:34
onefanggrunchy is back!02:35
onefangNow you all can tell grunchy those things you tried to tell them while they was gone.  B-)02:36
Xenguygrunchy, I'd recommend you just elaborate a bit and provide some details on your situation02:37
rrq(note, I'm chatting with grunchy)02:44
* golinux I opened a PM to before I finished catching up . . .02:49
golinuxtoo02:50
fifihyperbolagrunchy :D03:03
al1r4dhello03:16
al1r4dI'm thinking to install runit on my devuan :)03:16
fifihyperbolacool :)03:18
fifihyperbolayou should :)03:18
al1r4dlif@sunflower:~$ sudo update-rc.d iwd defaults04:58
al1r4dinsserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `iwd' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).04:58
al1r4dinsserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `iwd' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).04:58
al1r4dhow to fix :/04:58
onefangIt's a warning, no need to do anything, unless it's not starting and stopping at boot and shutdown.05:06
gnarfaceal1r4d: you just have to make the runlevel symlinks match the LSB header in the script; check the update-rc.d man page for syntax on how to specify them explicitly or just alter the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ manually05:06
gnarfaceonefang: in this situation that's exactly what would be happening, so i'm assuming that's what al1r4d is trying to correct05:07
gnarfacestop symlinks will take precedent over the LSB headers, so if they're set to stop in every runlevel, it will never start05:10
gnarfacewhy 'defaults' in this case would map to (empty) though, no idea about that. maybe a bug in update-rc.d05:11
gnarfacei thought the LSB defaults it is currently claiming were also the same as what update-rc.d sets for defaults, so that's weird, but it's trivially correctable by hand05:13
onefangFunny thing is I ignore those warnings and nothing ever broke for me.  lol05:15
onefangOn the other hand, perhaps I have never seen that particular combination that might end up with it never starting.05:16
onefangAs for how to fix, edit the LSB headers in the script, a little easier than messing with symlinks manually.05:17
onefangI suspect gnarface has those defaults the wrong way around though.  (empty) is what's in the script, (2 3 4 5) is the default for start.05:20
al1r4donefang, its not starting at boot05:24
al1r4dgnarface, do i need /etc/rc*.d/ manually? or just spesific, like /etc/rc2.d/ only?05:30
rwpSo I installed iwd just now so I could see what was happening.  It installs update-rc.d iwd defaults-disabled which is important as that installs only K symlinks.05:39
rwpWhen update-rc.d iwd defaults is run again later the symlinks are already in place marking everything as off and that produces the warning showing the mismatch.05:40
rwpIf you remove the K* symlinks and then run update-rc.d iwd defaults then it will install them without any warnings.05:40
rwpBecause then they will be active.  The warning is only there because on the second pass it appears as a mismatch from what is configured in the files.05:40
al1r4drwp, just unlink it?05:46
rwpYes.  I used "ll /etc/rc?.d/*iwd" to verify what I was going to remove and then changed ll to rm and did it.05:49
rwpYou can view the postinst file to see what it is doing in the package. less /var/lib/dpkg/info/iwd.postinst05:51
al1r4dalif@sunflower:~$ ls /etc/rc?.d/*wd05:51
al1r4dalif@sunflower:~$ ls /etc/rc?.d/*wd05:51
al1r4d-> /etc/rc1.d/K01iwd  /etc/rc6.d/K01iwd  /etc/rc6.d/S03iwd05:51
al1r4dthere are05:51
al1r4dlet me unlink them05:51
al1r4dls: cannot access '/etc/rc?.d/*wd': No such file or directory05:52
al1r4dok.05:52
rwpThe docs say it now starts using dbus using iwctl on demand.  less /usr/share/doc/iwd/README.Debian05:52
rwpThe docs confirm that you may configure it for persistent running and starting at boot time as you are wanting to set up.05:53
rwpJust to confirm that after removing those and then you ran "sudo update-rc.d iwd defaults" and it worked without warning and then ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*iwd showed the new symlinks, right?05:56
al1r4dnow working05:57
al1r4dthank you05:57
al1r4d:)05:57
al1r4dthank you, rwp05:58
rwpGood deal!  Glad to have helped. :-)05:59
rwpI am becoming more convinced that Devuan should revive "chkconfig" and the other one, was it "filerc"?, that was an easy user interface to modifying those symlinks interactively.06:02
rwpupdate-rc.d is fine but it was designed for use in postinst scripts and so it really is not as user friendly as the other tools.06:02
al1r4dyeah, i used to be chkconfig user06:10
al1r4d:)) and i forget how to use update-rc.d06:10
al1r4dhttps://dev.to/n1nj4/encrypt-dns-devuan-linux-o6m07:09
al1r4dnot mine07:09
XenguyYeah I liked chkconfig.  Nowadays sysv-rc-conf is still around (though I seem to recall some minor complaints about it, but it seems to work fine for my purposes)07:26
masonchkconfig++07:56
onefangsysv-rc-conf FTW!08:09
al1r4dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSbNumR9Z8k08:11
al1r4dDevuan is Born08:11
onefangHave you named it?08:12
brocashelmlol08:13
al1r4dWhat do you mean, onefang?08:18
rrqal1r4d: good find :)08:33
Xenguy^^ I have seen that video before and it is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.  I LOL every time I watch it, literally.  We should probably make it a top priority to add it to the /topic  8 -D14:33
* Xenguy retreats to #devuan-offtopic ...14:34
al1r4dhappy new year =)16:11
cousin_luigial1r4d: Already?16:18
cousin_luigial1r4d: .au or .nz ?16:18
al1r4d.id16:18
al1r4d:P16:18
* cousin_luigi should refresh his Asian geography.16:22
cousin_luigiI assume .id doesn't have a single timezone though.16:23
al1r4d:) hehe16:34
joerghappy new year22:25
fifihyperbolau223:16
Guest23Hey I'm about to install devuan since debian and it's excellent systemd were amazing and had no issues23:54
Guest23There's a bug I've been having on any distro with systemd (not gentoo or void) where my audio will screech at random even if no sound is playing23:54
Guest23Does anyone know what I'm talking about and if devuan doesn't have this issue23:55
fifihyperbolait might be issue with pulseaudio?23:57
fifihyperboladevuan probably doesn't have that issue23:57
Guest23Does devuan use pipewire? Could be that ig23:58
joergsounds like a hardware related issue23:58
Guest23Ik void uses pipewire and I didn't have an issue23:58

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