| Guest23 | And on debian I was using pipewire and did have the bug | 00:06 |
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| Guest23 | Thx for the help so far tho I'm rly excited to try it out | 00:12 |
| grunchy | hello, again rrq - were you able to make headway ? | 01:32 |
| al1r4d | wait what, why my message wont show on mailing lists dng? | 02:18 |
| al1r4d | i sent 3 messages and not all of them are sent | 02:18 |
| al1r4d | but i can send a message for another email | 02:19 |
| golinux | al1r4d: First post is moderated. | 02:21 |
| golinux | I have to OK it. | 02:21 |
| al1r4d | since when post is moderated? | 02:21 |
| golinux | Since about day one on dng | 02:21 |
| golinux | Let me go check . . . | 02:22 |
| al1r4d | So all messages on the mailing list are moderated before being sent?? golinux | 02:22 |
| golinux | It might also be too big. | 02:22 |
| golinux | 40 kb max allowed | 02:22 |
| golinux | FIRST post is moderated. | 02:23 |
| golinux | I only check once a day. | 02:25 |
| golinux | Yup three posts waiting in there. | 02:25 |
| al1r4d | woah.. all of posts are mine | 02:26 |
| al1r4d | sorry. i thought my message was never sent | 02:26 |
| golinux | I posted it. | 02:28 |
| golinux | Might be better to use plain text that html . . . | 02:29 |
| al1r4d | golinux, i can't find on there: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html | 02:32 |
| al1r4d | oh, i found it -> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20240101.003941.5ded2f6b.en.html | 02:33 |
| al1r4d | thank you | 02:33 |
| golinux | YW! | 02:33 |
| rustyaxe | wtf is this?! my xfce devuan machine is suddenly reading off every key i press.. how do i turn this nonsense off?! | 03:37 |
| rustyaxe | ahh whatever the hell orca is | 03:40 |
| Nietz | orca is a very useful screenreader that helps to make Linux more accessible to people with disabilities | 03:47 |
| Xenguy | haha | 03:52 |
| Xenguy | Screenreaders Gone Wild | 03:52 |
| qtnsprra_ | hi | 05:58 |
| qtnsprra_ | wew so mucvh sensor | 05:59 |
| qtnsprra_ | lol broke they breking things epstein | 05:59 |
| qtnsprra_ | realy satanist | 05:59 |
| qtnsprra_ | heh dont despair | 05:59 |
| qtnsprra_ | we can fuk them | 06:00 |
| fluffywolf | whatever drugs you're on, don't IRC? | 06:03 |
| Xenguy | hehe, good advice in this case | 06:09 |
| onefang | Enjoy your New Years Eve party. Don't drive home. | 06:12 |
| Xenguy | Don't email either, trust me, been there | 06:13 |
| qtnsprra_ | kill a jew | 06:34 |
| fluffywolf | as much as I hate israel, random jews are not responsible for their country's actions, and that's just hate speech. as I said, go be drunk somewhere else. | 06:40 |
| Xenguy | good riddance | 06:44 |
| Xenguy | FTR that appeared to be a German IP | 06:44 |
| fluffywolf | heh. I would have just banned him if I had ops here. | 06:45 |
| gnarface | call his ISP and they will arrest him actually | 06:45 |
| gnarface | no joke | 06:45 |
| Xenguy | Yeah in Germany they doubtless would | 06:45 |
| Xenguy | ~qtnsprra@pd9fd180c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de | 06:45 |
| fluffywolf | real nazi instead of wannabe nazi, then. | 06:45 |
| Xenguy | Just what we need, more violence, hate, and grifters | 06:47 |
| Xenguy | Spread the love and empathy around people, we're gonna need more and more of it | 06:48 |
| mason | He's been banned from various Debian channels on OFTC, although he hasn't been quite that obscene. | 06:49 |
| al1r4d | day one on 2024 | 06:53 |
| al1r4d | hello | 06:53 |
| mason | Think he's gotten himself removed from the network now. | 06:56 |
| Xenguy | mason, Good to know, thanks (and HNY) | 06:56 |
| Xenguy | Can't complain then | 06:57 |
| mason | Happy New Year! | 06:58 |
| Xenguy | : -) | 07:02 |
| al1r4d | we should have planet devuan =) | 15:47 |
| joerg | https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/1741835138323865650 :thumbs-up: | 16:04 |
| CEP | good morning, very happy new year to all. no case I can't start the pipewire service | 17:20 |
| Guest97 | Hello. | 19:54 |
| Guest97 | I have followed the documented process to convert Debian 12 to Devuan 5, and I found some issues with it (there are a couple things to add to/change in the documentation), but also: it does not change the content of /etc/os-release. | 19:55 |
| Guest97 | The file /etc/os-release is reported by dpkg-query -S as coming from base-files | 19:55 |
| Guest97 | and base-files is reported by apt-cache madison as coming from http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/main amd64 Packages | 19:56 |
| Guest97 | However, when I try to re-install it, it fails as "not possible, it cannot be downloaded" | 19:56 |
| Guest97 | I assume this is because the package is actually just there for honoring "all files are in a package", but only can get installed from the installer? | 19:57 |
| Guest97 | (From a quick glance at the contents of base-files, it doesn't seem to pose a risk from reinstalling it, it only contains the base root directories, and a dozen files) | 19:58 |
| golinux | It might help you to understand how Devuan pkgs are merged with Debian: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/amprolla3 | 20:18 |
| golinux | Guest97: Here's a graphical presentation: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3192 | 20:19 |
| Guest97 | Yes, ok, but this specific package has to be different than the debian version, otherwise the os-release file would be containing the information from debian. | 20:19 |
| Guest97 | Thanks for your links tho :) | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | Guest97, I have a couple of suggestions. 1. Maybe you caught the mirror just as it was updating. Trying again a few minutes later will succeed in this case. | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | 2. Maybe you need to run 'apt update' to see the current version. | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | 3. Maybe you can install it with 'apt install base-files=12.4devuan3' | 20:41 |
| Guest97 | I did run apt-get update | 20:52 |
| Guest97 | So the option 2 is not possible. | 20:52 |
| Guest97 | I'll investigate, thank you very much for the hints. | 20:52 |
| Guest97 | weird tho, that apt-cache madison knows where to find it | 20:53 |
| Guest97 | and apt-get install --reinstall fails to find it. | 20:54 |
| HimeHaieto | I totally misread that to say "convert Debian 12 to Debian 5" and had to do a wtf double take lol | 20:54 |
| Guest97 | ok, so what is happening is apparently that the current version of base-files, installed from the debian 12 netinstall installer | 20:55 |
| Guest97 | is more recent than the version available on the devuan repo. | 20:55 |
| Guest97 | I tried your command, fsmithred, and it warned me that it will "DOWNGRADE" the package. | 20:55 |
| Guest97 | Current is: ii base-files 12.4+deb12u4 amd64 | 20:56 |
| HimeHaieto | that's not from devuan/daedalus | 20:56 |
| Guest97 | No, because it is from a debian 12 install, as I mentionned. | 20:57 |
| Guest97 | But, so, I dunno how the version parsing is done, but I'm assuming the deb12u4 is parsed as "more recent" than devuan3 | 20:57 |
| Guest97 | And that's the issue. | 20:57 |
| Guest97 | anyway, I'll go ahead and downgrade. | 20:57 |
| HimeHaieto | string parsing can get weird with all the "something+a3-o@#!funky|b3" | 20:58 |
| Guest97 | yeah. | 20:58 |
| Guest97 | fsmithred: worked like a charm. | 20:58 |
| Guest97 | forcing the version is the solution here. | 20:58 |
| Guest97 | A bit unorthodox, but works 👌 | 20:59 |
| HimeHaieto | could also always try pinning devuan repos to 1000+ and *simulating* an upgrade/install | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | not unorthodox. Just not usually needed. | 20:59 |
| Guest97 | ah | 20:59 |
| HimeHaieto | emphasis on simulating because in general one should always be very careful about pinning repos to 1000+ | 20:59 |
| Guest97 | I feel like "downgrading" something that isn't actually a downgrade is a bit of a misnomer, to say the least. | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | We stopped using the "+" in the version string, so "+" has to sort before "d" or all out packages would fail to install. | 21:00 |
| HimeHaieto | it doesn't know any better | 21:00 |
| Guest97 | HimeHaieto, yes, I'm trying not to pin stuff. | 21:00 |
| Guest97 | at least until I use another repo for a specific package. | 21:00 |
| Guest97 | Anyway, thanks for the help. | 21:00 |
| Guest97 | What I mentioned earlier, that would be good to add to the debian -> devuan conversion is that, when doing so on a remote machine, the network interface names change, and so, editing the network configuration file is usually a good idea. | 21:01 |
| Guest97 | And, in addition, that using openrc instead of the sysvinit package works 👌 too | 21:02 |
| Guest97 | (and can be preferred). | 21:02 |
| Guest97 | Alright, it's movie night with the gf, so I bid you all farewell, and I thank you again for your assistance :) | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | yw, have fun | 21:04 |
| Guest97 | thx | 21:04 |
| beejay | o/ | 21:40 |
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