| systemdlete | need help getting microphone to work. I have several devices which used to work on Linux, but somehow, over the years, I probably forgot some magic incantation or the like. | 03:25 |
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| systemdlete | One is a MS VX800, which used to do video and mic. | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | The other is a headset, which also used to work fine. Both of these are USB | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | I'm first trying to use them on a host system (not a VM) | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | I tried installing a .asound file in my home directory: https://pastebin.com/qK8Y1k3d | 03:27 |
| systemdlete | but to be totally honest, I have little idea what this is supposed to do, or how to configure alsa sound. | 03:28 |
| systemdlete | arecord -Dplughw:0 lala.wav runs, but it does not record anything in the wav file. | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | Also, I checked to make sure alsamixer showed that the input levels are turned on and "up" | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | oh. and not running pulseaudio | 03:30 |
| n4dir | in which software do you want to use the microphone? | 03:31 |
| systemdlete | ultimately, I'd like to use it on Zoom | 03:34 |
| systemdlete | (not that I *want* to use zoom, but y'know...) | 03:34 |
| n4dir | is using jack soundserver an option? | 03:34 |
| systemdlete | It could be I suppose. Never used it in the past, though, when these things were working. | 03:34 |
| systemdlete | I take it that jack is not the same $#1+ like pulse | 03:35 |
| n4dir | though, i probably got no clue anway, you could ask in #opensourcemusicians. or #lau and i think more | 03:35 |
| n4dir | perhaps even at linuxmusicians.com forum | 03:35 |
| systemdlete | so what about JACK? | 03:35 |
| systemdlete | Do you know it? | 03:36 |
| n4dir | i'd say it is worth a try, i wouldn't know why or how it should solve problems | 03:36 |
| systemdlete | oh, I see. | 03:36 |
| n4dir | as far i can tell jack kinda uses alsa, so if alsa fails, ... probably won't work either. | 03:36 |
| systemdlete | not sure what is failing, if anything. | 03:36 |
| systemdlete | Might be me, doing/not doing something | 03:37 |
| n4dir | there is that script called "adevices.sh" it give further info bout the system, script was originally by jack sound server, now ardour DAW hosts it | 03:37 |
| systemdlete | but it does seem to me like, over time, more and more stuff breaks | 03:37 |
| n4dir | i could upload it, you could run it, i sure can make no sense of the output | 03:37 |
| n4dir | you could also downlaod a live iso and see if that works with the mic, but they'll probably use pulse, jack, or pipewire | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | maybe just tell me where to find it? | 03:38 |
| n4dir | if it was easy to find i'd link, to me it is more easy to upload it. Let me check if google finds it | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | (the script) | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | n4dir, it sounds to me like you know at least SOMETHING about all of this | 03:39 |
| n4dir | my google foo is strong this night :-) | 03:39 |
| n4dir | https://community.ardour.org/files/adevices.sh | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | heheh | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | ok, thanks | 03:39 |
| n4dir | when i searched for it for myself, it took me like half an hour. lol | 03:39 |
| n4dir | systemdlete: the IRC channels are rather silent, but they seem to have a clue. The forum migth be a good idea. | 03:40 |
| n4dir | or wait for the ones here who have more clue | 03:40 |
| systemdlete | similar info to aplay -L output, but it's a start | 03:41 |
| systemdlete | I suppose reading alsa.org might be a start also... but all I want to do is use audio for zoom. I wasn't really looking for a PhD in sound physics. | 03:42 |
| n4dir | yeah, i get that. i'd ask in the mentioned ressources. | 03:42 |
| systemdlete | ok, thanks | 03:42 |
| n4dir | good luck | 03:43 |
| debdog | systemdlete: I'd start plugging one of the mics in then check dmesg whether it got recognised plus alsa loads a driver for it. (unfortunately I have no experience with USB audio devices) | 03:58 |
| debdog | if dmesg seems to do something check aplay -l output whether the new card is listed there. | 03:59 |
| phogg | Helenah: https://catbin.xyz/ymoud I think I understood what the python was saying | 04:09 |
| phogg | er, wrong window sorry | 04:09 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: didn't read the whole thing and have to step away for a bit, but one thing that tripped me up that's not obvious about alsamixer is that on some hardware you need to also select a capture channel explicitly, with the spacebar | 04:17 |
| gnarface | separate from mute and volume some times you also need to spacebar to set it to CAPTURE (if you don't see CAPTURE in all-caps, nothing is selected, so you'll get no recording even if it's unmuted and the volume is up) | 04:18 |
| gnarface | and make sure you're not turning the mic volume up on the Playback tab, that won't do anything for your recordings | 04:19 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: alright, i read the whole scrollback except for the pastebin link, i'm pretty sure it's probably something simple to fix. maybe it's a driver regression but the likely cause is just misconfiguration; either way i can help walk you through figuring out one way or another and fix it if it can be fixed without patching the kernel | 08:03 |
| gnarface | (my current hypothesis is that since you're using USB devices on a different system than you're used to, they're no longer coming up in the same order so the old configs don't work) | 08:05 |
| al1r4d | I replaced the brave browser with Firefox. =) | 15:39 |
| cousin_luigi | al1r4d: What took it so long?;) | 15:54 |
| al1r4d | cousin_luigi: not a long time. actually one month only. | 16:05 |
| debdog | un-brave | 16:59 |
| Guest32 | Hello. Devuan has Refracta image creator inside. Are there much difference in those distributions? | 19:50 |
| debdog | Guest32: AFAICT refracta is entirely based on devuan. so, no. | 19:59 |
| debdog | as soon as you live-install a refracta system onto you HDD/SDD you can do anything with it as with devuan. | 20:00 |
| golinux | Guest32: It is a live image of an installed systed | 20:00 |
| golinux | You can also add items and customize before installing | 20:01 |
| debdog | I suppose the live ISOs are tad different, content wise? https://get.refracta.org/files/daedalus/ vs. https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/desktop-live/ | 20:07 |
| golinux | The Refracta isos have different content not the Devuan Refracta isos | 20:09 |
| golinux | https://refracta.org/ | 20:10 |
| Guest32 | According to disctrowatch comments there are some differences in programs choices. | 20:38 |
| debdog | Guest32: true | 20:43 |
| bob123 | Hi all . I would appreciate your advice. Has anyone in the chat tried installing FDE including the boot partition (Luks2+argon2id)? | 20:48 |
| debdog | but somehow you inital question is not clear. Guest32. refracta is entirely based on the devuan repositories. what exactly are you looking at for differences? | 20:49 |
| Guest32 | debdog: I couldn’t find main concept difference. Idea behind a distro. | 20:53 |
| Guest32 | I guess Refracta as distro historically appeared before tool was included in Devuan. | 20:53 |
| debdog | Guest32: hmm, "idea behind" refracta, you might wait for fsmithred to show he is the author. from my POV refracta is a live distro which can be used as such or as a rescue CD or even can be installed. but the installation has probably different defaults than an actual full featured installation with several default choises provided by devuan. | 21:01 |
| debdog | Guest32: for more info about refracte read https://www.refracta.org/ and/or https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/ | 21:04 |
| golinux | I have known refracta and fsmithred since long before the fork and worked on his web site. I personally use Refracta because I prefer fsmithred's customizations of Devuan. The Devuan isos @ files.devua.org are a snapshot of a default install from a Devuan iso | 21:27 |
| golinux | Sorry files.devuan.org | 21:28 |
| golinux | @debdog . . . He uses the sourceforge site for experimental stuff | 21:30 |
| golinux | iirc | 21:32 |
| rwp | My understanding of Refracta is that it is a different vision for the installer rather than the OS. Refracta installs a running snapshot of files. It's very fast and efficient that way. The debian-installer used by Devuan installs package by package working through the bootstrapping process and package postinst scripts. Which is tediously slow and inefficient. | 21:47 |
| n4dir | my understanding of refracta is "debian for grandma" (though now devuan), and as easy on ressources as possible. | 21:56 |
| n4dir | the installer came later | 21:56 |
| n4dir | back then it was very difficult to install debian-live. Or even impossible. Don't remember the details | 21:57 |
| n4dir | Linux Mint had some live-installer, based on python, it was rewritten in bash (well, not rewritten, but the whole idea came from the Mint-live installer) | 21:57 |
| n4dir | now? yeah, probably can look at it like that (different vision for the installer). But that is me. The dev would have to have his say | 21:58 |
| n4dir | i only talked about archeology | 21:59 |
| debdog | the initial question was about "distro" and the refreacta tools | 22:02 |
| debdog | *and _not_ | 22:02 |
| debdog | hehe | 22:02 |
| n4dir | what was the question about the distro? | 22:03 |
| debdog | n4dir: <Guest32> Hello. Devuan has Refracta image creator inside. Are there much difference in those distributions? | 22:04 |
| n4dir | ah. Yeah. Well, as said, as far it is me, it really is nothing but a pre-configured Devuan. | 22:05 |
| n4dir | mixing user comfort and easy on ressources. On top pretty much all cli tools an average cli user will need. | 22:05 |
| golinux | <rwp> My understanding of Refracta is that it is a different vision for the installer rather than the OS. | 23:55 |
| rwp | Eventually fsmithred will arrive and be amused by all of our discussions today. :-) | 23:56 |
| n4dir | we could bet. | 23:58 |
| golinux | It started that way. There is refractasnapshot to create live images and refractainstaller to install live images. Refracta is also the name of a Devuan derivative. The "official" Devuan "live" images are created with refractasnapshot. installer | 23:59 |
| n4dir | not sure how involved golinux was, but he sure was at the refracta forum (which came late, but now is really long ago) | 23:59 |
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