| buZz | Wizzup: whats the 'so...' ? :D you think that there might droid4 ones on/in your archive.org desk? | 00:05 |
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| buZz | +be | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | buZz: no but we could order | 00:08 |
| buZz | ah, yes, probably :) | 00:11 |
| inky | oh, what about d3 support in kernel? did i miss something important or it's the same yet? | 17:23 |
| Wizzup | same. | 17:46 |
| freemangordon | hi there, /me was on a small vacation, did I miss something? | 19:24 |
| Wizzup | hi! | 19:24 |
| Wizzup | glad to hear you're back, I was getting worried :D | 19:25 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: I highlighted you a bunch of times, let me find it | 19:25 |
| Wizzup | One highlight was about 32bit qemu for image builders, we stopped doing it, but the EINVAL error is still there in scandir, but the images seem to work ok | 19:25 |
| Wizzup | the other thing was for a PR for hildon-desktop, https://github.com/maemo-leste/hildon-desktop/pull/23 | 19:25 |
| Wizzup | Another question was about thoughts on perhaps not having all the -mr0 translation packages installed for -all- languages at all times (I think it's about 150MB), and I was looking at making smaller images, but currently our various packages hard-depend on the -mr0 packages | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah, ok, thanks, will have a look as soon as I have some spare time | 19:28 |
| Wizzup | :) | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | not today though, I just came home from 10 hours driving | 19:28 |
| Wizzup | greece? | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | sure ;) | 19:29 |
| Wizzup | :D | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | corinth | 19:29 |
| Wizzup | oh yeah that's quite a drive | 19:29 |
| Wizzup | I'll be in the US for 2 weeks starting this weekend, but will be available | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | we took the kids (well, the youngest of them being 18, but still) to see the acropolis, the ancient corinth, the epidavros, etc | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | a nice journey | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | ok, great | 19:30 |
| Wizzup | :) | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | I will resume my work on ofono/connui-cellular | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | we made a deal with ofono maintainer that he will took a patch in call forwarding code that breaks the API if I write it :) | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | so yeah | 19:31 |
| Wizzup | sounds good | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | ok, have to unpack stuff, ttyl | 19:33 |
| sicelo | heh, postmarketOS just started releasing systemd-based device images | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | with musl? | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | doesn't seem like alpine linux supports it still, does it | 20:28 |
| sicelo | i haven't looked yet to see how they did it | 20:29 |
| sicelo | https://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/03/05/adding-systemd/ | 20:35 |
| sicelo | so they packaged systemd outside of Alpine, and patched it to work with musl. | 20:36 |
| Guest7281 | hello how is pinephone support? | 20:49 |
| Guest7281 | i see old kernel in the wiki | 20:49 |
| Guest7281 | >Kernel version 5.15 | 20:50 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: lol | 21:22 |
| sicelo | it's because of KDE and Gnome ... which they have users for. both appear to be a pain to use without systemd | 21:26 |
| sicelo | s/because/partly because/ | 21:36 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: sure that's intentional I am sure | 21:53 |
| Guest7281 | is the pinephone wiki updated? | 21:54 |
| Wizzup | Guest7281: the wiki might be out of date | 21:54 |
| Wizzup | as for the kernel version, we do update it some times, but not -super- regularly | 21:54 |
| Wizzup | I have a pinephone here, and rafael2k also does regular work on it, he's working on pinephone pro atm | 21:55 |
| Guest7281 | no FDE? | 21:55 |
| Wizzup | no, no fde currently | 21:55 |
| sicelo | well it seems alpine themselves are second-guessing their usage of openrc, https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/112044941290779320 | 21:55 |
| Guest7281 | mobian/debian have osk-sdl. does maemo use dracut rtoo? | 21:55 |
| sicelo | Guest7281: no | 21:56 |
| Guest7281 | what does it use? | 21:57 |
| sicelo | nothing :-) | 21:57 |
| Wizzup | we don't use initramfses yet | 21:58 |
| Guest7281 | I thought that you need to have something | 21:58 |
| sicelo | no, kernel can boot all the way and directly handover to the regular userspace | 21:59 |
| sicelo | there are things, such as FDE, that sort of require an initramfs, or that work better with it, yes | 21:59 |
| Guest7281 | does Devuan have it? they have FDE | 21:59 |
| sicelo | devuan? i don't think they have images for pinephone. sure you can build something for yourself if you want to | 22:00 |
| sicelo | btw Wizzup, do we have a bigger reason (other than manpower/time) for not using an initramfs? | 22:01 |
| Guest7281 | isn't Maemo based on Devuan? | 22:01 |
| Guest7281 | that's why I asked | 22:02 |
| sicelo | it is based on Devuan ... | 22:02 |
| sicelo | maybe rephrase your question :-) | 22:02 |
| Wizzup | yes, we do want to do FDE eventually, yes, initramfs would be good, also for splash screen, btrfs boot, etc, but it does complicate some matters | 22:02 |
| Guest7281 | does Devuan have initramfs? | 22:02 |
| Wizzup | I'm totally in favour of people adding this | 22:02 |
| Guest7281 | no btrfs? | 22:03 |
| Wizzup | btrfs raid boot | 22:03 |
| Wizzup | multiple device | 22:03 |
| sicelo | ok. maybe a github issue should be created, so someone can hopefully pick it up someday | 22:03 |
| Wizzup | it's not a matter of whether devuan supports initramfs (it does), but rather of the specialised nature of mobile phones and their boot processes being a bit more ... special | 22:03 |
| Wizzup | it's not -super- hard, it just hasn't been a priority | 22:03 |
| Guest7281 | wait pmOS betrayed Alpine creed/philosophy by using systemd? | 22:04 |
| sicelo | hehe, | 22:05 |
| sicelo | but Alpine is also no longer sure about their own stand on that .. https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/112044941290779320 | 22:05 |
| sicelo | of course that's just a developer's viewpoint, not the project as a whole. that's core dev though | 22:06 |
| Guest7281 | just one dev so | 22:06 |
| sicelo | yes, point is - maybe openrc isn't living up to the promise (or hype?) | 22:07 |
| sicelo | anyway, not really relevant for us here | 22:08 |
| Guest7281 | can you use runit here? | 22:09 |
| sicelo | if you put in the work, i would say, Yes | 22:10 |
| Guest7281 | i mean by default as Devuan | 22:10 |
| sicelo | actually someone made Leste to run systemd. unfortunately they went MIA before they could share their code | 22:10 |
| sicelo | i don't run Devuan myself, so i don't know what init systems it provides. i suppose it should support runit | 22:11 |
| Guest7281 | yes it does | 22:15 |
| Guest7281 | *fortunately | 22:16 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: that post reads as systemd made up so many new apis that it's hard to support all the systemd specific apis | 23:15 |
| Wizzup | not a suprise there, but openrc does tings just fine as an init system | 23:15 |
| Wizzup | but if you expect it to be systemd, well, it's not | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | in any case the init system doesn't really matter to leste as much | 23:17 |
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