| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:59 UTC: (news): Trump administration says 'all options on the table' including suspension of domestic air travel to curb coronavirus β https://is.gd/kC0nFu | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| dividediff[m] | "313 Canadians diagnosed with coronavirus, chief health officer says"" | 00:14 |
| dividediff[m] | "Travellers at Pearson Airport report lack of COVID-19 screeningCOVID-19 | 00:15 |
| dividediff[m] | (toronto.ctvnews.ca)" | 00:15 |
| dividediff[m] | Anyone have any experience w diy hand sanitizer? | 00:16 |
| dividediff[m] | "London pharmacists making hand sanitizer in wake of shortage" | 00:16 |
| bigfluff | It's basically mixing rubbing alcohol with aloe or something; nothing too complicated | 00:17 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | ^ | 00:17 |
| RougeR | ugh | 00:17 |
| bigfluff | Various local agencies have been making and giving out their own | 00:17 |
| RougeR | people in jersey violating self isolation | 00:18 |
| RougeR | no fucking suprise | 00:18 |
| dividediff[m] | bigfluff: I'm out at home and i might try to make some... | 00:18 |
| Timvde | Just a sanity check: it's now basically night. If I go for a walk, avoid the few people I meet and don't touch anything, I'm fine, right? :p | 00:18 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | i mean it's airborn, and lives for 3 hours carrying in the wind, good luck isolating from the air | 00:19 |
| LjL | Timvde, if it's still legally okay for you to, sure :P although i still have to figure out why they sanitize street surfaces and signs, but i appear to be the only one finding that remarkable | 00:19 |
| LjL | v0idkr4ft[m], uh... source for that? | 00:19 |
| Timvde | LjL: yes, it is | 00:20 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | source for what, it being airborn, or how long it lives in the air? | 00:20 |
| LjL | i am quite convinced it can be airborne. but others are not. if you have a solid source for that specific fact, it would be the first time i'd see it | 00:20 |
| Timvde | v0idkr4ft[m]: yes, everything I've heard until now says it's not airborne | 00:20 |
| LjL | both | 00:20 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/china-confirms-coronavirus-is-airborne/ar-BBZOXg2 | 00:22 |
| TimMc | Article has at least one inaccuracy: Β« Direct transmission occurs when a person breathes the air close to an infected person who has coughed or sneezed. Β» | 00:23 |
| LjL | that is not a source. that is an old article from something a shanghai official has decided to say that had no confirmation in any primary source that i know of :( | 00:23 |
| TimMc | This is incorrect. "Direct transmission" is touching an infected person. | 00:23 |
| TimMc | Oh yeah, it's from February 9th as well. It's bull. | 00:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:20 UTC: (news): California governor calls for closure of all bars and wineries, home isolation of seniors β https://is.gd/P5iiX3 | 00:24 |
| RougeR | v0idkr4ft[m], in confined spaces perhaps yes | 00:25 |
| RougeR | that article is over a month old | 00:25 |
| Kaylah | i wonder what the reason was why they didnt have more checks on airplanes coming from china way in the beginning | 00:29 |
| Kaylah | i know there are a lot of planes, but wouldn't it have been cheaper anyway than the global crisis we have now | 00:30 |
| Kaylah | or does it take too long to have tests or something | 00:30 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v2 | 00:30 |
| Kaylah | what was the reason | 00:30 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +166 cases (now 169657), +8 deaths (now 6505), +17 recoveries (now 76618) πΈ Andorra: +4 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +1 cases (now 46) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +22 cases (now 134) πΈ Queensland, Australia: +15 cases (now 61) πΈ South Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 20) πΈ Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 6) πΈ Victoria, Australia: +8 cases (now 57) πΈ Bahrain: +17 recoveries (now 77) πΈ Brazi | 00:33 |
| jiffe | amazon seems to be stressed lately, minimum ship time on anything is 4 days it seems | 00:33 |
| Ciciolina | the gov of colombia dont test all suspect individuals to maintain low stats about infection, all universities closed | 00:34 |
| bigfluff | jiffe: holy cow, did not realize that until you said it | 00:36 |
| bigfluff | Any idea if that's a supply-chain issue with Amazon distribution centers, or something on the UPS side? | 00:37 |
| Kaylah | my grandma is temporarily in an elderly home cause she had a broken leg | 00:45 |
| Kaylah | but now she's ready to go home | 00:45 |
| bigfluff | Dude, get her out of the death-house ASAP | 00:45 |
| Kaylah | is it better to stay there, where personnel are well trained to prevent the spread | 00:45 |
| Kaylah | or should she go home, but then she'll have to go shopping by herself | 00:45 |
| Kaylah | and come into contact with home care personnel | 00:46 |
| Kaylah | or maybe i just go shopping for her? | 00:46 |
| bigfluff | There's documentation of high spread-rate in elderly care homes. Close contact betewen residents, who are already in a risk-adverse group...it's just not a good mix. | 00:47 |
| Kaylah | alright | 00:47 |
| Kaylah | but they do take a lot of measures to keep it out of those homes | 00:47 |
| Kaylah | no visitors allowed since wednesday | 00:47 |
| bigfluff | Get her home, keep an eye on her. Don't make your granny go out shopping, come on brother :) | 00:47 |
| Kaylah | but she also comes into contact with people who go there every day if she lives alone | 00:48 |
| Kaylah | for medical care | 00:48 |
| Kaylah | and for cleaning and stuff | 00:48 |
| bin_bash | Kaylah: tbh it really really depends on the quality of the facility | 00:48 |
| bigfluff | How well do you trust the care home? Generally speaking, elder-care is a very for-profit enterprise and even ignoring Covid...it's usually not all that great of care. and corners are sadly cut too often. | 00:49 |
| Kaylah | well i live in Belgium, elderly homes are public here, not from private companies ors omething | 00:49 |
| Kaylah | i think the quality is quite okay here | 00:49 |
| Kaylah | staff has pretty strict rules too | 00:50 |
| bigfluff | Oy, that changes it quite a bit | 00:50 |
| Kaylah | so im really not sure what the better option is | 00:50 |
| bigfluff | What does she feel of it? Where would she be most comfortable? | 00:51 |
| LjL | i might be late to the party, but Germany is reintroducing border controls with most neighbors, and only allowing commuters and other select few in | 00:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:39 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Get Your Mass Gatherings or Large Community Events Ready | CDC β https://is.gd/oc2iyv | 00:52 |
| xrogaan | LjL: it's a sane decision: "why are you traveling, haven't you heard of the pandemic?" | 00:55 |
| RougeR | i just want to take a moment to day | 00:56 |
| RougeR | can we just think for a second | 00:56 |
| twomoon | how's your fam doing ljl ? | 00:56 |
| bin_bash | i've started to play the "plague inc. or irl headline?" | 00:56 |
| RougeR | we are watching the largest even since the collapse of the soviet union | 00:56 |
| bin_bash | sometimes hard to tell | 00:56 |
| twomoon | are you still feeling sick ljl? | 00:56 |
| RougeR | or the second world war | 00:56 |
| bin_bash | RougeR: you forgot 9/11 | 00:56 |
| RougeR | bin_bash, bigger | 00:56 |
| RougeR | this is way bigger | 00:57 |
| twomoon | is it really bigger than collapse of soviet? | 00:57 |
| RougeR | probably biggest since 9/11 | 00:57 |
| bin_bash | definitely the biggest since 9/11 | 00:57 |
| RougeR | twomoon, depends on when the ride stops | 00:57 |
| bin_bash | 9/11 drastically changed the entire world and i think that, like that, life after this won't be the same. but i hope we survive | 00:58 |
| RougeR | if we ride though 2% of the world pop before it ends | 00:58 |
| RougeR | i think so | 00:58 |
| LjL | twomoon, i'm not feeling sick, we're just all very anxious | 00:58 |
| yuriwho | the last incident comparable is the Spanish Flu 1918 | 00:58 |
| RougeR | bin_bash, i do too | 00:58 |
| RougeR | yuriwho, LjL | 00:58 |
| RougeR | people still dont get it | 00:58 |
| RougeR | i dont use social media | 00:58 |
| RougeR | but i hopeed on | 00:58 |
| RougeR | "but the flu kills more"! | 00:58 |
| RougeR | how after the events of the last 2 weeks, are you so fucking dense that you do not see this for what it is | 00:59 |
| LjL | it's called denial i think | 00:59 |
| bin_bash | i'm so sick of that bullshit RougeR | 00:59 |
| twomoon | my mom went to grocery store without gloves on today | 00:59 |
| twomoon | dunno what to say | 00:59 |
| LjL | when people are like that they will keep denying reality no matter how in their face you manage to get it | 00:59 |
| RougeR | twomoon, eh | 00:59 |
| RougeR | thats fine | 00:59 |
| yuriwho | I'm preparing to live at my cottage for the forseeable future | 00:59 |
| RougeR | you wash hands after | 01:00 |
| RougeR | or with alcohol gel | 01:00 |
| RougeR | as you go | 01:00 |
| twomoon | yes true | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | my mom went to the grocery store too. i wanted to scream at her but i strongly scolded her saying she's in a dangerous age group | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | but i also trust that she wasnt touching her face or biting her nails | 01:00 |
| RougeR | bin_bash, do you live with her? | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | nope | 01:00 |
| RougeR | ah fe | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | i live halfway across the US | 01:00 |
| RougeR | im living with my folks again | 01:00 |
| RougeR | im glad tbh | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | i wish i did, then i would help out and not let her out lol | 01:00 |
| RougeR | id rather be with them | 01:00 |
| RougeR | bin_bash, thing is | 01:00 |
| RougeR | im now as limited as they | 01:00 |
| RougeR | are | 01:00 |
| RougeR | if i get sick, they get sick | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | on the upside i'm married so im not here alone. my husband is with me | 01:00 |
| bin_bash | true | 01:01 |
| RougeR | so its a double edged sword | 01:01 |
| bin_bash | we're hunkered down here because we have to assume we've been exposed. there's no testing in this area yet | 01:01 |
| RougeR | my mother is like "ill volunteer to help those who cant go, ill go to pharmacy for them" | 01:01 |
| RougeR | shes 62 | 01:01 |
| RougeR | my dad is 60 and on immunomodulators | 01:01 |
| RougeR | she means well | 01:01 |
| RougeR | but no | 01:01 |
| bin_bash | oof yeah | 01:01 |
| RougeR | you are at risk | 01:01 |
| berndj | where are you bin_bash ? | 01:02 |
| RougeR | i think shes struggling to comes to terms with her mortality tbh | 01:02 |
| RougeR | bin_bash, she can help 9in ohter ways | 01:02 |
| twomoon | my mom went to ettiquette school as a kid and learned not to touch her face even when it itches | 01:02 |
| twomoon | so that's good at least | 01:02 |
| RougeR | if we go to the shop, we can get extras for neighbours | 01:02 |
| bin_bash | yeah smart | 01:02 |
| twomoon | i see so many foolios rubbing their noses all the time | 01:02 |
| RougeR | but we cant be going to pharmacies n shit for them | 01:02 |
| bin_bash | twomoon: my mom too lol i wish my folks had sent me to charm school *sigh* | 01:02 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: what tips does she have for when face is itchy | 01:02 |
| yuriwho | wearing gloves stops you from touching your face | 01:03 |
| RougeR | yuriwho, that doesnt help... | 01:03 |
| twomoon | those of us who didn't go to gentry school pick our noses | 01:03 |
| RougeR | dividediff[m], | 01:03 |
| RougeR | https://www.amazon.com/Kooty-Key-Touching-Surfaces-Carabiner/dp/B017QE9D7I | 01:03 |
| RougeR | these sort of things seem neat | 01:03 |
| twomoon | dividediff[m], purse the lips a bit | 01:03 |
| RougeR | not this | 01:03 |
| RougeR | but something like this | 01:03 |
| yuriwho | does, for me but I a scientist used to handling dangerous stuff when wearing gloves | 01:04 |
| RougeR | yuriwho, ah fe then | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Death toll in Italy jumps, CDC recommends canceling events with 50 or more β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 01:06 |
| twomoon | how's italy's mortality doing? | 01:07 |
| LjL | bad | 01:07 |
| yuriwho | US future hit limit down, trading halted | 01:08 |
| LjL | New from r/WorldNews at 21:23 UTC: worldnews: Australian supermarket Woolworths will open its doors exclusively to the elderly and people with disabilities for a dedicated shopping hour, after panic buying due to the coronavirus β https://is.gd/mbWbga | 01:08 |
| LjL | this sounds like it might be counterproductive, i'm not sure | 01:08 |
| twomoon | based on your gut instincts do you think the mortality rate is actually higher (ie, that italians are somehow more susceptible than other ethnicities) or just the fact that they haven't tested enough people? | 01:08 |
| twomoon | i would understand if u prefer not to speculate on the matter | 01:09 |
| LjL | twomoon, no and no? i'd put it down mainly to the healthcare system not being able to cope | 01:09 |
| twomoon | ahh ok | 01:09 |
| yuriwho | I agree with LjL | 01:09 |
| HeXiLeD | aging population | 01:10 |
| bin_bash | LjL: hmm might be good if they disinfect specifically before they do it | 01:10 |
| bin_bash | might be counterproductive if they dont | 01:10 |
| LjL | if 10% require ICU or at least oxygen and most of them can't get it, you get a mortality approaching 10%. for now many of them can still get care hopefully, so i guess maybe restricted testing accounts for the rest. but things are not going to get better with access to intensive care in the future, only worse | 01:10 |
| LjL | ? | 01:10 |
| KindOne | giggity | 01:11 |
| dividediff[m] | Headline: "Coronavirus: Austria bans all gatherings of more than five people" | 01:11 |
| dividediff[m] | Replies: "That family of 6 is gonna have to let one go" | 01:11 |
| bin_bash | LOL | 01:11 |
| bin_bash | That mom of 16 is gonna have a bad time | 01:11 |
| dividediff[m] | Im sorry Timmy, you've been voted off the island | 01:11 |
| RougeR | https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR208TtuLkBgMP-yQXvK4OdT27f4SH3SbLHnPzvZz4eEwSHyzBNA4auFFv4 | 01:13 |
| HeXiLeD | https://twitter.com/Ffs_OMG/status/1239230333905764353?s=09 | 01:13 |
| HeXiLeD | italians keeping the moral up | 01:13 |
| dividediff[m] | RougeR: thatthing is great | 01:14 |
| LjL | RougeR, nice touch not having a "dead" category | 01:14 |
| RougeR | dividediff[m], yeah i think so too | 01:15 |
| RougeR | LjL, they see it at the end | 01:15 |
| RougeR | but i think its great to explain to people | 01:15 |
| dividediff[m] | HeXiLeD: me and the Mrs, day 2 of quarantine | 01:15 |
| RougeR | UK | 01:17 |
| RougeR | STILL | 01:17 |
| RougeR | no social distancing | 01:17 |
| RougeR | large events only just cancelled | 01:17 |
| RougeR | planes trains running | 01:18 |
| RougeR | boris will kill us | 01:18 |
| dividediff[m] | RougeR: canada too | 01:18 |
| RougeR | canada still has better than uk measures | 01:18 |
| RougeR | but i agree | 01:18 |
| bin_bash | the UK's lack of response is even worse than the US and frankly that's terrifying considering how lackadaisical we've been | 01:18 |
| dividediff[m] | You hear about the measures on the news, but when you walk around you see darn near no difference | 01:19 |
| HeXiLeD | if anyone of gets gets it, we should go kiss some politicians or lawyers | 01:19 |
| HeXiLeD | tart by boris | 01:19 |
| HeXiLeD | *start | 01:19 |
| dividediff[m] | Only difference i've seen in some folks talk about how it's blown out of proportion. | 01:19 |
| dividediff[m] | Church had about the same number of people as it always does, the resturants just as busy basically | 01:20 |
| HeXiLeD | it has definitely blow out of the initial porportion | 01:20 |
| Birosso | German churches are going digital. :D | 01:20 |
| yuriwho | I wonder how youth vaping will tie into this, especially those with contaminated THC related lung problems earlier this year | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: Fed slashes rates to shore up economy, US stock futures plunge β https://is.gd/Ro001B | 01:20 |
| dividediff[m] | I mean i hear some folks talking about how it's just a flu and no big deal | 01:20 |
| dividediff[m] | 1 folk told me it's only a european disease. | 01:21 |
| LjL | yuriwho, how do you think vaping impacts people, apart from the contamination issue which was pretty serious (but didn't they almost-determine it was due to vitamin E and not THC)? | 01:22 |
| HeXiLeD | some people ... https://nationalfile.com/report-indians-drinking-cows-urine-bathing-in-dung-to-cure-coronavirus/ | 01:22 |
| dividediff[m] | clubs bars still going in full swing | 01:22 |
| HeXiLeD | by the way LjL, how about a url tittler for the bot? | 01:22 |
| LjL | %title | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the URL could not be loaded | 01:22 |
| LjL | well, when it works. | 01:22 |
| HeXiLeD | i mean, for when we paste a link | 01:22 |
| LjL | i guess i'll eventually just have to add it | 01:23 |
| yuriwho | LjL: I think vaping (without vit E) is ~10x safer than smoking | 01:23 |
| LjL | and then deal with the people who think it's annoying, especially from matrix | 01:23 |
| LjL | or else i'll just have to explain why i don't think it's a good idea | 01:23 |
| yuriwho | but we do not have long term data on vaping | 01:23 |
| LjL | yuriwho, yeah, i vaped for a while, thinking somewhat naively "it can't possibly be worse than smoking". then i was not so sure anymore. now after those cases, i wonder how i could possibly *assume* that without even thinking twice about it. | 01:24 |
| Ciciolina | if the gov close bars and big parties here in colombia the people go to a civil war | 01:24 |
| ryouma | what is a hit limit? --- 17:08 <yuriwho> US future hit limit down, trading halted | 01:25 |
| LjL | yuriwho, it's still likely safer than smoking, in most ways, but then smoking typically doesn't kill you in a matter of weeks. i *was* after all breathing in stuff of unknown origin and which may or may not have been food-grade, but most likely hadn't been tested by inhalation anyway | 01:25 |
| yuriwho | ryouma: stock markets in the US are likely to crash tomorrow | 01:25 |
| ryouma | the dilatory response of most govs makes me wonder if they think at some level "it's mostly old and sick; those are more disposable than young and healthy" | 01:25 |
| dividediff[m] | st patrick's day coming up, at the current trajectory: from far and wide, O canada we spread corana virus for theeee - canadian anthem | 01:26 |
| HeXiLeD | overwall, the world needs a cleanup. too many people, too many self entitled, to much arrogance, too many not contributing to society. So... this may be it . | 01:26 |
| LjL | ryouma, most government members are kinda old in most places, so i'm not sure that can be it | 01:26 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, uhm, i would not give the virus the credit of being so selective. | 01:26 |
| LjL | that's also kind of... not a nice thought | 01:26 |
| HeXiLeD | that is reality | 01:27 |
| ryouma | is hit a verb or an adjective in that sentence? | 01:27 |
| LjL | many people here (me included) are worried for people close to them who are at high risk | 01:27 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]: please contribute useful info not political opinions | 01:27 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +568038 cases (now 737695), +892046 deaths (now 898551) πΆ Vatican City: +567999 cases (now 568000), +892045 deaths (now 892045) πΈ Andorra: +4 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +1 cases (now 46) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +22 cases (now 134) πΈ Queensland, Australia: +15 cases (now 61) πΈ South Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 20) πΈ Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 6) πΈ Victoria, Australia: +8 | 01:27 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: same here. i wam worried about family and of old age. | 01:27 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, "reality" is that many will die. connecting it to the world "needing a clean up", well, if you can't see how it's a little insulting, i'm not sure how to explain it to you | 01:27 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: why r stocks gonna crash tmr? | 01:27 |
| Ciciolina | the market only need some famous world leader die from corona to fall | 01:27 |
| ubLIX | ryouma: verb | 01:27 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]: https://www.cnbc.com | 01:28 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: the world does need a clean. not insulting. just look at what we have been doing around. | 01:28 |
| HeXiLeD | not shortage of human arrongance | 01:28 |
| Ciciolina | that sound like georgia guide stone lol | 01:28 |
| HeXiLeD | so .. the planet once a while, takes care of things on it's on | 01:29 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, okay, but you list types of people who "need a cleanup": self-entitled, arrogant, not contributing. and then you connect that to the virus creating such a cleanup. maybe you don't realize but you're indirectly accusing... your own family that you're worried about... of being those things? and mine. | 01:29 |
| ryouma | it is that "not contributing to society" part that i fear might be part of the opinion of some decision makers. the delay is huge. and we see opinions like the member youa re talking with now. | 01:29 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: why do you have 2 accts in this room? | 01:30 |
| kreyren | > <Brainstorm> :large_orange_diamond: World: +568038 cases (now 737695), +892046 deaths (now 898551) :large_orange_diamond: Vatic | 01:30 |
| kreyren | what the fu#$@k | 01:30 |
| TimMc | kreyren: Site's all hecked up. | 01:30 |
| ryouma | that is a big jump | 01:30 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], because i'm connecting from IRC, from matrix.org, and from another matrix server. why does it matter? | 01:30 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: no. i am not. have look at the political arena (corrupt) lawyers, terrorists, drug cartels... i think we all agree that some people are not helping anything arount the planet | 01:30 |
| LjL | kreyren, ryouma: that's certainly a glitch | 01:31 |
| TimMc | ryouma: The amazing part is how more people "died" than there were "cases". (Bad data.) | 01:31 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, yes, what i don't agree on is that this virus would somehow magically target those people. you're just connecting two things that are completely unconnected. | 01:31 |
| kreyren | %world | 01:31 |
| LjL | %data world | 01:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, World, there are 737695 cases, 898551 deaths (121.8% of cases), 76618 recoveries as of March 16, 00:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 01:31 |
| HeXiLeD | well... it is not a smart virus that is for sure. | 01:31 |
| ryouma | the other thing is that he said the virus is cleaning them up. we know that the virus attacks old and sick. therefore, his opinion is plausibly connected to his opinions of old and sick for example not contributign to society. | 01:32 |
| azbycx | %data Florida | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | azbycx: In Florida, US, there are 115 cases, 4 deaths (3.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:32 |
| kreyren | LjL, assuming that china and some other countries are not providing accurate data it would make sense though | 01:32 |
| ryouma | %data ct | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Connecticut, US, there are 24 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:33 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, the graphs look good, but the csv is all off at least for World atm | 01:33 |
| jae49[m] | %data Vatican | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | jae49[m]: In all areas, Vatican City, there are 568000 cases, 892045 deaths (157.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 00:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vatican%20City for time series data. | 01:33 |
| LjL | jae49[m], good catch | 01:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:26 UTC: Australia coronavirus: Victoria and ACT declare state of emergency βΒ live updates: Victorian premier Daniel Andrews tells media that state will use powers to enforce self-isolation and quarantine; Woolworths announces special shopping hours for elderly and disabled; and University of Queensland cancels classes for [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 01:34 |
| ryouma | special shopping hours is an innovative idea | 01:35 |
| ryouma | that could be replicated everywhere | 01:35 |
| HeXiLeD | religion and their fanatics could could go too. look at this guy https://nationalfile.com/islamic-scholar-who-called-coronavirus-act-of-allah-gets-infected | 01:35 |
| kreyren | ryouma, we already have that in CZ to some extent | 01:36 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: you seem grumpier now? | 01:36 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], it's not been a great day, we cannot order groceries, the channel gets increasingly difficult to manage, and i'm more fully understanding the implications of the healthcare system being unable to cope when things get bad | 01:37 |
| ryouma | perhaps we could find better soluitions to religious fanaticism, old age, sickness, and drug dealers than a virus that attacks old and sick (and a not small percentage of healthy) as a group? | 01:37 |
| kreyren | FWIW czech is currently in partial quarantine to stop the spread of covid-19 | 01:37 |
| ryouma | note: the same idea could include those who are exclusive carers of bedridden and housebound | 01:38 |
| ryouma | imo should | 01:38 |
| ryouma | shopping ohurs idea that is | 01:38 |
| Ciciolina | here in antioquia the 98% of population are ultra Catholics or evangelics and all Sundays goes to the church at least 2k o 3k for church, at least 70% are older people | 01:39 |
| ryouma | where is that? | 01:40 |
| ryouma | that sounds bad not banned? | 01:40 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: well... religion had its day. | 01:41 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: it sounds rough | 01:41 |
| HeXiLeD | some .eu countries are closing churches | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +744 recoveries (now 77362) πΆ China: +16 cases (now 81011), +10 deaths (now 3213), +748 recoveries (now 67752) πΈ Andorra: +4 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +1 cases (now 46) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +22 cases (now 134) πΈ Queensland, Australia: +15 cases (now 61) πΈ South Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 20) πΈ Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 6) πΈ Victoria, Australia: +8 cases (now 57) πΈ B | 01:41 |
| Ciciolina | medellin antioquia, famous place for Narcos | 01:41 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: A great man once said, "that's rough buddy" | 01:41 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: (let me know if you get the great man reference ha ha) | 01:42 |
| ryouma | are you doing recoveries minus deaths? that i'd like to see. | 01:42 |
| HeXiLeD | can one recover from death? | 01:43 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: Can anyone in the chat or me help you out at all? | 01:43 |
| ryouma | %data vt | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Vermont, US, there are 5 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 00:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:44 |
| HeXiLeD | dividediff[m]: for? | 01:44 |
| dividediff[m] | HeXiLeD: hmm? | 01:44 |
| HeXiLeD | who is loking for help to do what? | 01:45 |
| ryouma | the report could be (recoveries minus deaths as percent of cases) (cases delta as percent of cases, with sign) (cases as percent of population) | 01:46 |
| ryouma | sign on recoveries minus deaths also of course | 01:46 |
| dividediff[m] | HeXiLeD: Long story, it might be too personal, but i don't have a direct chat with ljl so that the only reason i'm chatting about it in the open here | 01:46 |
| HeXiLeD | doesnt the matrix brige PM's too ? | 01:47 |
| RougeR | LjL, | 01:48 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], we're better off than many people here in most ways. i think what people can do here is keep the channel at an okay pace and tone without me having to get into it... we're pretty much all stressed these days i think, this channel can easily make it worse by its nature | 01:48 |
| RougeR | i strongly recommend inviting freenode staff to give you a hand | 01:48 |
| RougeR | they are a good bunch | 01:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Death toll in Italy jumps, CDC recommends canceling events with 50 or more β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 01:48 |
| LjL | RougeR, if you didn't use Enter as comma that would already get a small burden off me :P | 01:50 |
| ryouma | %data hokkaido | 01:50 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, hokkaido not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 01:50 |
| ryouma | no prefectures? | 01:50 |
| ryouma | %data japan | 01:50 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, Japan, there are 839 cases, 24 deaths (2.9% of cases), 144 recoveries as of March 16, 00:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 01:50 |
| LjL | ryouma, no i'm afraid only a few countries are divided into subregions in the data | 01:51 |
| ryouma | good that states are | 01:51 |
| ryouma | us | 01:51 |
| ryouma | %data ny | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In New York, US, there are 732 cases, 3 deaths (0.4% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 00:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:51 |
| ryouma | as many cases in ny as all of japan | 01:51 |
| ryouma | japan's population is larger than ny | 01:52 |
| ryouma | i wish it could join | 01:52 |
| ryouma | (db join) | 01:52 |
| HeXiLeD | https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236846-coronavirus-risk-of-death-rises-with-age-diabetes-and-heart-disease/ | 01:57 |
| dividediff[m] | protect yo grandma | 02:01 |
| dividediff[m] | hide** yo grandma | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:51 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 16 new cases, 14 more deaths: China's National Health Commission said as of March 15, there were 16 new confirmed cases; 12 of them were attributed as imported. β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 02:02 |
| dividediff[m] | Is anyone here happy with THEIR government's responses to corona? | 02:03 |
| twomoon | i bet ljl is satisfied except for the decision to be the first country in eurozone to block chinese direct flights | 02:05 |
| LjL | :| | 02:05 |
| twomoon | i'm not satisfied so far | 02:05 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: Isn't blocking direct chinese flights good? | 02:06 |
| Ciciolina | no here the gov is not test people only if they suspect and go directly to the media to pray for help. | 02:06 |
| LjL | to be honest i've begun to think there isn't a good response, or even a decent response | 02:06 |
| twomoon | no because ppl can just take indirect flights | 02:06 |
| twomoon | it causes more confusion and less trackability | 02:06 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: oh ic | 02:06 |
| ubLIX | LjL: Taiwan? | 02:06 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: italy | 02:07 |
| LjL | there are many actions that can be done that results in undesired effects, even the opposite of what you want. including locking down Lombardy. | 02:07 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: how do ppl go to the media for help? | 02:07 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: what about Italy? | 02:07 |
| twomoon | i'd rather be in taiwan but not because the gov response is better but rather because the people were already interested in self-quarantine measures and such | 02:07 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: pardon me, i thought you were asking where LjL was from | 02:08 |
| LjL | ubLIX, maybe. i should question my own psychology on why i haven't investigated in detail just what measures Taiwan, Korea, Singapore et al employed. it's easy to just think "they use strange letters and i can't be bothered" | 02:08 |
| twomoon | los ciudadanos ya eran mas listos para la vigencia de virus | 02:08 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: what country do u live in? | 02:08 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: I was responding to LjL's "to be honest i've begun to think there isn't a good response, or even a decent response" | 02:08 |
| Ciciolina | we have the most gonzo (i think its the correct word) media in the world, they pay for anything, the first case of corona here was discovered when the infected family goes to the national news on tv, the airport and the hospital refuse to tested | 02:09 |
| twomoon | soy de los ee.uu. dividediff[m] | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ Hubei, China: +4 cases (now 67798), +14 deaths (now 3099), +806 recoveries (now 55094) πΈ Andorra: +4 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +1 cases (now 46) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +22 cases (now 134) πΈ Queensland, Australia: +15 cases (now 61) πΈ South Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 20) πΈ Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 6) πΈ Victoria, Australia: +8 cases (now 57) πΈ Bahrain: +17 recoveries (now 77) πΈ | 02:09 |
| dunnp | I dont think gonzo was the right word | 02:09 |
| ubLIX | LjL: one interesting feature is the extensive use they seem to have made of smartphone location tracking, to aid their policies | 02:09 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: okay i'll google translate your msgs and reply in broken spanish (?) ha | 02:09 |
| twomoon | everyone was already ready in taiwan because of the sars in 2002 | 02:10 |
| yuriwho | yea, not hunter thompson'ish | 02:10 |
| tinwhiskers | %data world | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, World, there are 170921 cases, 6545 deaths (3.8% of cases), 77458 recoveries as of March 16, 01:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 7.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:10 |
| twomoon | also, wearing masks and other ppe in public isn't considered strange whereas in italy it is. ppl will mock you | 02:10 |
| Ciciolina | here gonzo = amarillista i dont know the right word for a media that love weird, disgusting and click bait news | 02:11 |
| dividediff[m] | PensΓ© que tambiΓ©n ibas a decir Columbia | 02:11 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: PensΓ© que tambiΓ©n ibas a decir Columbia | 02:11 |
| twomoon | no soy de colombia | 02:11 |
| Ciciolina | yo vivo en colombia jajaja | 02:12 |
| twomoon | soy mexicano viviendo en los ee.uu. | 02:12 |
| twomoon | usted es colombiano? | 02:12 |
| Ciciolina | yesterday i go to the supermarket and all people was buying water and paper | 02:13 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: toliet paper you mean? | 02:13 |
| twomoon | todos los productos de papel estaban vacios del supermercado | 02:14 |
| Ciciolina | yes one girl only have two bags full of toilet paper, all people go fast for the paper when see her | 02:14 |
| dividediff[m] | Is there a google translation bot? | 02:14 |
| tinwhiskers | %tr | 02:15 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers, English to English: Is there a google translation bot? (Google) | 02:15 |
| twomoon | brainstrom can translate sorry i'll speak english | 02:15 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]: not in this channel | 02:15 |
| dividediff[m] | yay english again | 02:15 |
| yuriwho | oh, perhaps there is | 02:15 |
| Ciciolina | si todos ya estan comprando papel higienico y agua yo compre una provision tambien - i buy toilet paper too not for paranoid thing only i thing this sh... it gonna be crazy in the next weeks | 02:16 |
| twomoon | ljl is always using it to translate italian to english even tho he is fluent | 02:16 |
| yuriwho | %tr soy mexicano viviendo en los ee.uu. | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho, Spanish to English: i'm mexican living in the usa (MyMemory, Google) β I am Mexican living in the ee.uu. (Apertium) | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 16 new cases, MGM Resorts temporarily closes Las Vegas properties β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 02:16 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: columbia's tp section looks like this too ehh? | 02:16 |
| HeXiLeD | i dont get it. whts this thing about toilet paper? whats the rush about it? | 02:16 |
| twomoon | we don't know yet HeXiLeD | 02:17 |
| yuriwho | FOMO | 02:17 |
| HeXiLeD | run out for food makes a lot more sense than toilet paper. Specially because without food, there is no use for toillet paper | 02:18 |
| dividediff[m] | HeXiLeD: i think it's trending and thats the only reason | 02:18 |
| dividediff[m] | person 1: "evyone is buying all the tp?! quick there must be a good reason, i must go buy tp toooo" | 02:18 |
| Ciciolina | dividediff[m]: yea the 50% of people thinks the pandemia its fake news | 02:18 |
| dunnp | HeXiLeD: from my understanding, toilet paper is often used to dress the trees of your enemies and everyone has a lot more time to do that now | 02:18 |
| tinwhiskers | HeXiLeD: during some pandemics you can get gastro problems so people started buying early before they knew that wasn't going to be an issue here. However other people seeing the run on tp decided they better get some before it ran out so it carried on anyway. | 02:19 |
| dividediff[m] | dunnp: someon giv this man a medal | 02:19 |
| yuriwho | it's ridiculous esp here in Canada as our pulp mills produce a lot of the worlds toilet paper | 02:19 |
| Ciciolina | NEWS: 45 infected people here in colombia, last news! | 02:20 |
| dunnp | no, from what I actually heard is that there was a rumor in china that the same base material was used to make masks and that people were worried it would be in short supply when they shifted to mask making | 02:20 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: my friend is in colombia | 02:20 |
| Spec | i think he flies back today o.O | 02:20 |
| dunnp | and then it became a news story in HK and taiwan and then Aus and then the US | 02:20 |
| dunnp | etc | 02:20 |
| tinwhiskers | Paper? | 02:20 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: tp | 02:20 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: if your frend can fly do it!!! here gonna make a blood bath for sure in the next weeks | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Masks aren't made from paper are they? | 02:21 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: i suspected u were canadian! | 02:21 |
| dunnp | i think its paper | 02:21 |
| dunnp | but i could be wrong | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Maybe they are. | 02:21 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: urban or rural areas? | 02:22 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: Join #canada:matrix.org maybe, there are a few city specific rooms too | 02:22 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: how many ppl in columbia are actually infected do u think? | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +75 cases (now 170996), +303 recoveries (now 77761) πΆ Korea, South: +74 cases (now 8236), +303 recoveries (now 1137) πΈ Andorra: +4 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +1 cases (now 46) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +22 cases (now 134) πΈ Queensland, Australia: +15 cases (now 61) πΈ South Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 20) πΈ Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 6) πΈ Victoria, Australia: +8 cases (now 57) | 02:23 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: is the bot using tcl or python? | 02:24 |
| yuriwho | IMO best site for US/Canada tracking is: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en | 02:24 |
| Ciciolina | urban areas, i have a math degree and i make a model of infection im very sure the data was artificial slow, at least colombia have 120 to 150 infected in my low data rate, in my more paranoid model at least 400 and 5 to 10 died | 02:24 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: before canada's prime minister wife became sick, a lot of ppl here thought it was fake or blown out of proportion | 02:24 |
| Spec | HeXiLeD: python | 02:25 |
| RougeR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnd1jKcfBRE&feature=youtu.be | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | %title | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: From www.youtube.com: Remain Indoors - That Mitchell & Webb Look - BBC Two - YouTube | 02:25 |
| HeXiLeD | dividediff[m]: makes sense. politicians only care when it gets closer to their door | 02:25 |
| HeXiLeD | now trudy is doing something | 02:25 |
| HeXiLeD | or justine... or whatever is the name | 02:26 |
| RougeR | UK gov to do daily broadcasts | 02:26 |
| RougeR | boris johnson has been found | 02:26 |
| RougeR | hiding among the chilled goods | 02:26 |
| HeXiLeD | RougeR: where? playing xbox strategy games? | 02:26 |
| yuriwho | folks please take political and offtopic discussion elsewhere | 02:27 |
| HeXiLeD | and loaded of cheetos | 02:27 |
| RougeR | HeXiLeD, playing civ 5 | 02:27 |
| RougeR | he got stuck | 02:27 |
| dividediff[m] | HeXiLeD: i believe he and other politicians believed in it, they didn't seem to believe in doing anything about it. I mean a sizeable num of random ppl on the street thought it was fake | 02:27 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: aite | 02:27 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: since youre a new mod and rules seemed to have changed, what are the new rules? | 02:28 |
| HeXiLeD | good question dividediff[m] | 02:28 |
| yuriwho | a good place for political and offtopic stuff is ##coronavirus-vox | 02:28 |
| Ciciolina | i remember the financial crisis in colombia and the 90% of the population believe that its fake and in 24 hours all the money and almost all the banks gone... and the people dont believe after that, i think its cultural | 02:28 |
| RougeR | Ciciolina, it will sink in when people they know start dying | 02:29 |
| Ciciolina | this pandemia is not diferent, the people dont like listen, dont like believe | 02:29 |
| RougeR | ive been watching this slowly roll towards us for months... | 02:30 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: a government's response to corona is politial and related to corona. Is that a no no? | 02:30 |
| RougeR | no one believed us | 02:30 |
| mandiblegrip | Are we going to see bank runs? I don't see why we would... | 02:30 |
| twomoon | when was the financial crisis in colombia? | 02:30 |
| RougeR | mandiblegrip, not sure | 02:30 |
| yuriwho | no truly new rules, I am just trying to promote useful information and discussion as we all learn more | 02:30 |
| HeXiLeD | what einstein said about human stupidity | 02:30 |
| RougeR | i might take out cash | 02:30 |
| twomoon | yuriwho i suspect ljl would see that politics is related to coronavirus somehow | 02:31 |
| HeXiLeD | RougeR: bank runs. i would love to see that. | 02:31 |
| HeXiLeD | twomoon: agrees. | 02:31 |
| twomoon | boris johnson's politics freaked me out the other day | 02:31 |
| yuriwho | like I said, no new rules | 02:31 |
| HeXiLeD | for example, trump now wants exclusive rights to a possible cure and only for the usa | 02:31 |
| HeXiLeD | lots of politics on this one | 02:32 |
| yuriwho | yea, I posted that earlier | 02:32 |
| RougeR | twomoon, only just | 02:32 |
| RougeR | ? | 02:32 |
| yuriwho | that is useful | 02:32 |
| RougeR | he deserves to be in jail | 02:32 |
| HeXiLeD | yah but leads to politics | 02:32 |
| HeXiLeD | RougeR: find me a politician that does not | 02:32 |
| yuriwho | RougeR: that is not useful commentary | 02:32 |
| RougeR | yuriwho, what is not | 02:33 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: how about this, whats your opinion on politics so i can only post stuff that is you agree with and then we won't have any disagreement? | 02:33 |
| RougeR | that out politicial leader is failing people, going against WHO recommendations and possibly leading to the deaths of 100,000s | 02:33 |
| RougeR | thats not useful? | 02:33 |
| RougeR | should i praise him | 02:33 |
| RougeR | HeXiLeD, ? | 02:34 |
| Ciciolina | <twomoon> its in the mundial of 95 that happen because the banks go wild and gift money like crazy, all people live in a bubble and the ppal bank says its gonna gift 1 millon dollars in gold if the selection of futbol goes to 4th finals, and statistical its imposible but that happen the win 4th place and the bank says: Guys its not money... 24 hours after all the comunity banks closes and the gov says only pays 5% of the money to all. only survive | 02:34 |
| Ciciolina | 3 banks and in this moment i see the same history back | 02:34 |
| RougeR | HeXiLeD, this channel needs freenode staff mods imo | 02:34 |
| twomoon | lol what the heck | 02:35 |
| twomoon | tiene que ver con la copa mundial? | 02:35 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: is there a language requirement now? | 02:35 |
| yuriwho | who said anything about that | 02:36 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: because what could also work is that we could say things related to certain politicans in spanish unless you also know spanish | 02:36 |
| RougeR | i maintain this channel needs freenode staff involved | 02:36 |
| dividediff[m] | RougeR: i don't know what freenode is, but i like the sound of it | 02:37 |
| Ciciolina | <twomoon> en ese momento era la major seleccion de la historia bancolombia ofrecio regalar 1 millon en lingotes si ganaban los cuartos de final y lo lograron el banco dijo que no podia cubrir esa promesa y como los bancos prestaron a todos sus clientes dinero y viajes todo pagado pues cuando se acabo mas la promesa incumplida el sistema cayo, ademas de que estabamos en una crisis electrica y de agua todo se junto | 02:37 |
| RougeR | dividediff[m], this server | 02:37 |
| yuriwho | %tr | 02:37 |
| RougeR | HeXiLeD, rizon? | 02:37 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho, English to English: dividediff[m], this server (Google) | 02:37 |
| RougeR | snoonet? | 02:37 |
| RougeR | honestly it might be time to begin splitting this into sub channels | 02:38 |
| Ciciolina | sorry for the spanish part i only like illustrate the hystory repeat again sorry again | 02:38 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: no worries i like spanish messages | 02:39 |
| dividediff[m] | RougeR: i'm with you captain | 02:39 |
| RougeR | yuriwho, so i see you are a mod | 02:39 |
| RougeR | whats happened | 02:39 |
| twomoon | o, el oro prometido , que no pudieron cumplir, provoco una corrida de banco ? | 02:39 |
| RougeR | if you want to begin dictating topic, you need to publish a rule list | 02:39 |
| Ciciolina | i can read and have a perfect listening but i have a very bad writing | 02:39 |
| RougeR | untill then, its very hard to begin swaying conversation | 02:39 |
| yuriwho | RougeR: LjL is getting some much needed rest | 02:40 |
| RougeR | yuriwho, i gather | 02:40 |
| RougeR | my point stands | 02:40 |
| twomoon | me pregunto si llegaremos a eso por el virus aqui | 02:40 |
| ryouma | freenode is an irc network. i am using it on this channel. | 02:40 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: so as the only mod on duty, what are the new rules sire? | 02:40 |
| Ciciolina | <twomoon> yes the people lost the hope in the banks and the gov... all falls after that | 02:40 |
| ryouma | what do you do to prepare for that? | 02:40 |
| yuriwho | dude, I have done nothing except ask that this not devolve into a political and offtopic mess | 02:41 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: we could do what my parents did, we can have 1 set of rules for when mom is home and 1 set for when dad is home | 02:41 |
| yuriwho | it is a request, I'm not gonna start banning anyone | 02:41 |
| twomoon | que extrano que la causa fue relacionada a futbol | 02:41 |
| HeXiLeD | sometimes... nothing is ... more than | 02:42 |
| Ciciolina | i feel bad for my niece she works in investments and she its totally blind, she dont see the market its falling, i think she will run from the country in the next months | 02:42 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: he's not the only mod on duty | 02:42 |
| tinwhiskers | I agree with yuriwho. Take the politics elsewhere if it's going to be a protracted discussion | 02:42 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: so when LjL is away it can be "no poltiics" time. Like how i only got ice cream with dad | 02:42 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: he's the only one online? | 02:42 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: no. | 02:42 |
| twomoon | politics is all-important at this juncture | 02:42 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: your a mod? | 02:43 |
| tinwhiskers | twomoon: you've made your point so move on | 02:43 |
| twomoon | oh ok sorry | 02:43 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: can we have a definition of protracted discussion? | 02:43 |
| twomoon | i'll just assume we can talk about bojo's crazy measures | 02:43 |
| RougeR | we can | 02:43 |
| ryouma | bojo? | 02:43 |
| ryouma | oh ru | 02:44 |
| RougeR | if not ill just setup ##uk-covid-19 | 02:44 |
| twomoon | bojo means boris johnson | 02:44 |
| RougeR | in fact | 02:44 |
| RougeR | not a bad idea | 02:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 74 new cases, MGM Resorts temporarily closes Las Vegas properties β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 02:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Also, don't be a wise guy. If it's suggested that it has gone on too long just accept that | 02:44 |
| ryouma | i mean uk | 02:44 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: genuine question | 02:44 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: Like i'm just saying, i can't appease rules if i don't know what they are | 02:45 |
| Ciciolina | we will see what happen with the world if the wife of the canada PM fall i hope she recovery but the world its crazy this year | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | You're welcome to talk about politics in moderation but if you're asked to stop then that's the sign it's gone on long enough. | 02:46 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: like afaik in china you can't talk about tianmen square incident and i think they tell ppl that. But here, how do i know if i'm in a 'prottracted discussion' | 02:46 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: politicians tend to act when it matters personally for them and they feel like regular people. So we may see some rules being enforced | 02:46 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]: RougeR you guys are trying to make a mountain out of nothing | 02:46 |
| ryouma | just everybody please try to contribute to a productive and peaceful chat | 02:47 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: when people tire of the argument going in circles | 02:47 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: still waiting for a rule | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: there is no hard rule. | 02:47 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: what rule? why? | 02:47 |
| Spec | rule #1 i'm pretty sure is: don't be an asshole | 02:48 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: you have a point there | 02:48 |
| RougeR | honestly | 02:49 |
| RougeR | i think we need a rule list, a clear op list, and to start having sub channels | 02:49 |
| Spec | RougeR: why? | 02:49 |
| RougeR | because this is only going to grow | 02:49 |
| RougeR | and its already messy | 02:49 |
| Spec | by your own standards? | 02:49 |
| RougeR | yeah | 02:49 |
| RougeR | you dont have to agree | 02:49 |
| RougeR | but im telling you as someones who floated on irc for a decade or so | 02:50 |
| RougeR | this is my opinion | 02:50 |
| Spec | as if others here haven't? | 02:50 |
| RougeR | i did not say they hadnt | 02:50 |
| RougeR | or that it was a pissing contest | 02:50 |
| RougeR | im giving my opinion | 02:50 |
| RougeR | i would like to be able to view an op list | 02:51 |
| RougeR | and a basic rule list | 02:51 |
| Spec | why? | 02:51 |
| yuriwho | RougeR: go to #coronavirus for the freenode chan | 02:51 |
| Spec | ^ | 02:51 |
| RougeR | if you need to ask... | 02:51 |
| dividediff[m] | RougeR: same | 02:51 |
| opal | a lot of channels have unspoken rules just for the record | 02:51 |
| Ciciolina | i think its more dynamic conversation when you lets the people say what he thinks | 02:51 |
| RougeR | opal, of course | 02:51 |
| RougeR | im not on lets see | 02:52 |
| dividediff[m] | but anyway, since we can mention political things again in passing again, what was the last thing we were talking about? | 02:52 |
| twomoon | some ppl scream 'off topic' when in reality they just want you to limit how much you talk because you're getting spammy | 02:52 |
| Spec | twomoon: i've heard that said by some great people | 02:52 |
| opal | ya that seems to be the effect here | 02:52 |
| dividediff[m] | twomoon: or bc they disagree | 02:52 |
| opal | the pandemic is just a hot topic right now | 02:52 |
| opal | of course theres gonna be discussion | 02:52 |
| RougeR | i would like to setup some kind of ##covid-uk | 02:53 |
| RougeR | will do | 02:53 |
| opal | join command's there : ) | 02:53 |
| Spec | go for it | 02:54 |
| RougeR | aye | 02:54 |
| RougeR | will do | 02:54 |
| Spec | but maybe make it coronavirus-uk | 02:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Channel mods are selected by the channel owner because the owner thinks they will uphold the desired atmosphere. When the atmosphere starts heading in a direction the mods feel is inappropriate or unproductive they speak up and ask people to change direction. You can't make hard rules for that. Just take the hint. | 02:54 |
| RougeR | ill try invite few, might declutter channel here | 02:54 |
| RougeR | if you want to do the same for other countries might be good to follow ##covid-19-XYZ | 02:54 |
| RougeR | Spec, why is that? | 02:54 |
| Ciciolina | i think this is the last stand of real freedom on the entire internet... if you made a vblog youtube close your channel, if you made a post on fb you gonna find the same thing and ws ohhh boyyyy | 02:55 |
| RougeR | tinwhiskers, but we dont know who the ops are | 02:55 |
| RougeR | because you use the bot for ops | 02:55 |
| Spec | RougeR: it'll be more findable via freenode and more recognizable for country-specific type politics/information | 02:55 |
| RougeR | and dont have an ops list | 02:55 |
| RougeR | Spec, okay cool | 02:55 |
| Spec | why would we want an ops list? | 02:55 |
| Spec | just pretend everyone who is a part of community has ops, and respect them as such | 02:55 |
| RougeR | Spec, | 02:55 |
| RougeR | Channel mods are selected by the channel owner because the owner thinks they will uphold the desired atmosphere. When the atmosphere starts heading in a direction the mods feel is inappropriate or unproductive they speak up and ask people to change direction. You can't make hard | 02:55 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: the gov makes hard rules for arbitrary things | 02:56 |
| RougeR | because that way i know if its an op | 02:56 |
| RougeR | or if its some random user | 02:56 |
| RougeR | it doesnt work both ways | 02:56 |
| Spec | RougeR: if someone speaks up and asks them to change your behavior, you'll onlyrespect it if they have an op flag? | 02:56 |
| Spec | ? | 02:56 |
| RougeR | Spec, in some respects yes | 02:56 |
| Spec | why? | 02:56 |
| RougeR | depending on topic | 02:56 |
| RougeR | because i might disagree | 02:56 |
| RougeR | and it might be ontopic but they dont like it | 02:56 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: like there are some hard rules about how long your wife has to be dead for in order to be charged for necro. | 02:56 |
| dividediff[m] | fun fact lool | 02:57 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: are there? | 02:57 |
| RougeR | wut | 02:57 |
| Spec | anyways, this is all quite off topic | 02:57 |
| RougeR | im asking to publish an op list | 02:57 |
| RougeR | thats all | 02:57 |
| Spec | I much prefer community-centric self-patrolling | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | This meta discussion has gone on far too long. Just move on please. | 02:57 |
| dividediff[m] | who are the mods in the room? | 02:57 |
| HeXiLeD | now this has really changed the channel nature and topic | 02:57 |
| Spec | just act like I am an op :D | 02:57 |
| RougeR | Spec, just act like i am an op | 02:57 |
| Spec | RougeR: alright | 02:57 |
| RougeR | tinwhiskers, okay dokie op | 02:58 |
| HeXiLeD | it is much better to be civil within the topic than having the need to have mods | 02:58 |
| Spec | ^ | 02:58 |
| RougeR | HeXiLeD, see there is a reason we have op lists | 02:58 |
| RougeR | and a reason forums have ops by their name | 02:58 |
| dividediff[m] | is peter roberts ever online? | 02:58 |
| HeXiLeD | RougeR: i run irc networks. i know the reasons | 02:58 |
| Spec | you seem like an authoritarian | 02:59 |
| RougeR | HeXiLeD, okay cool, so we agree | 02:59 |
| tinwhiskers | RougeR: the discussion is over. Move back to covid-19 please. +q will follow otherwise | 02:59 |
| Ciciolina | yea i think so, i have a question to back to the main theme, anyone remember a time like this in the past of your country? fear, stock market falling etc...? | 02:59 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: 9/11 | 03:00 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: we had a good crash in 2008 that wiped out a lot of peoples retirement accounts | 03:00 |
| RougeR | Ciciolina, you gotta go back a fair while for UK | 03:00 |
| Spec | this event will definitely impact lots of old peoples retirement | 03:00 |
| RougeR | probably ww2 | 03:00 |
| yuriwho | I think you have to go back to spanish flu or the great depression or WWII | 03:01 |
| HeXiLeD | Spec: well covid19 is taking care of preventing the impac | 03:01 |
| Spec | HeXiLeD: that's the already-retired! i meant the soon-to-be-retired, which it will impact less | 03:01 |
| ryouma | what about fdic, fslic, ncua? are they safe? | 03:01 |
| ryouma | (us) | 03:01 |
| Spec | ryouma: our current system of government seems to be set up to just follow the whim of an unstable leader | 03:01 |
| yuriwho | fiat money is worth whatever people believe it is worth | 03:01 |
| HeXiLeD | true | 03:02 |
| aeth | all money is, not just fiat money | 03:02 |
| Spec | well, but some things have concrete, solid value | 03:02 |
| HeXiLeD | also true | 03:02 |
| aeth | Gold is usually valued well above its industrial value... like maybe 10x | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Such as? | 03:02 |
| Spec | like concrete is a good example | 03:02 |
| yuriwho | tangible money vs. fiat money | 03:02 |
| Spec | But -- right now, food and supplies. ventilators :D | 03:02 |
| yuriwho | ventilators are the new gold | 03:03 |
| Spec | and masks | 03:03 |
| aeth | the masks shortage is really weird | 03:03 |
| dividediff[m] | fdic, fslic, ncua? | 03:03 |
| aeth | like, the masks don't do anything | 03:03 |
| Spec | aeth: citation needed | 03:03 |
| ryouma | will the government back savings accounts | 03:04 |
| yuriwho | ok, ventilators are Palladium and respirators are gold, hand sanitizer is silver and tp is copper | 03:04 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: they don't do anything if ur not sick | 03:04 |
| aeth | The masks do not protect you. They can protect everyone else if you are already sick, depending on the mask (not all are quality) | 03:04 |
| tinwhiskers | If masks didn't do anything there would be no need for medical staff to use them, right? | 03:04 |
| ryouma | masks with valves seem like a bad idea to protect others | 03:04 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: surgical masks? no, they don't, they protect others -> that's doing a LOT | 03:04 |
| Spec | it's critical in fact | 03:04 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: those r different masks i think | 03:04 |
| aeth | Medical staff needs them, (almost) no one else does. | 03:04 |
| Spec | aeth: sick people need them. | 03:04 |
| tinwhiskers | People who have the virus spread it a lot less if they wear a mask | 03:05 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: sick ppl and drs need them, but no one else | 03:05 |
| Spec | It spreads with minimal symptoms, so as soon as you have ANY symptom you need one, even if yo basically feel fine | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | People without the virus may or may not get a benefit depending how well they use them. | 03:05 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: without tests, you can't know if you need one or not, ergo, it'd be useful to have one (but we have a shortage of course) | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Right | 03:05 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: yes i agree, i think weve all been saying the same thing | 03:06 |
| Spec | also, anecdotally, the only countries that have seen a reduction in cases | 03:06 |
| yuriwho | n95 respirators properly fitted have utility in preventing people from small air-born droplets, surgical masks keep sick people from infecting others | 03:06 |
| Ciciolina | 3M mask (6XXX series), DuPont vests and gloves will be the new trend in fashion | 03:06 |
| Spec | has systemic, pervasive mask usage | 03:06 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: clearly asian fashion is the best where we have stylish masks on frequently ha | 03:06 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: :) | 03:06 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: sort of, cotton masks won't help much | 03:06 |
| Spec | they help against pollens, but not this | 03:06 |
| Spec | they might help stop spread more than nothing, i guess | 03:07 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: but if you sneeze in a cotton mask, doesn't the cotton absorb | 03:07 |
| dividediff[m] | yea | 03:07 |
| yuriwho | this is not a truly airborn virus like measles is | 03:07 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: i have 7 3M P100 masks but i don't think they'll be useful | 03:07 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: what was measles like? | 03:07 |
| aeth | Sick people only need masks if they're not self-quarantining | 03:07 |
| Spec | i've read samples being taken from air 2 hours after patient had left turning positive | 03:07 |
| yuriwho | 5-10 more infectious | 03:08 |
| Spec | aeth: yes, only when going out in public (or a caretaker is present) | 03:08 |
| yuriwho | 5-10x | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | aeth: yes, no need to wear a mask at home by yourself | 03:08 |
| Spec | measles was a thing that EVERYONE got | 03:08 |
| Spec | that was just a thing you got in your life | 03:08 |
| Spec | until vaccines | 03:08 |
| dividediff[m] | i mean like how did it spread in the air comapred to corona | 03:08 |
| dividediff[m] | i think corona lasts 3 hrs in the air | 03:08 |
| Spec | viruses can be in droplets and then the droplet evaporates and a gel-like substances w/ active virus remains floating around | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | You just need to be in the same room for a while to get breaks measles | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | *get measles | 03:09 |
| yuriwho | 5-10x more infectious, the infectious droplets size is much smaller thus it travels 5-10x further in the air | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | We just had an outbreak here in nz, Samoa, Tonga in December | 03:09 |
| Spec | tinwhiskers: outbreak of what? | 03:10 |
| dividediff[m] | i thought measles outbreaks affect only like 20 ppl in modern times | 03:10 |
| Spec | measels? | 03:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Measles | 03:10 |
| Ciciolina | Spec i dont know for sure but i think your 3M P100 works if you can adapt the cotton filters (3M 5n11) | 03:10 |
| Spec | tinwhiskers: wow, i didn't realize...not everyone was vaccinated | 03:10 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: must have heard about the anti vaxx movement? | 03:10 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: are those effective? | 03:11 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]: we have herd immunity, but the anti-vaxers and causing new outbreaks in the west | 03:11 |
| dividediff[m] | the whole autism conspiracy? | 03:11 |
| tinwhiskers | About 5000 people infected, 72 deaths. Anti-vax scum. | 03:11 |
| yuriwho | we have herd immunity (>80% immune) thanks to vaccines | 03:11 |
| ryouma | if you have the virus and are teh sole carer for bedridden or housebound, then you need to wear a mask that does not have a valve. --- 19:07 <aeth> Sick eople only need masks if they're not self-quarantining | 03:11 |
| tinwhiskers | With measles it's the kids that die | 03:11 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: well, p100 cartridges themselves will obviously work :) | 03:11 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: yes this works but you need the cartidge, the particulate filter adapter and the cotton filter | 03:11 |
| dividediff[m] | i thought corona would technically require like scuba equipment | 03:12 |
| dividediff[m] | maybe i'm thinking about zika tho? | 03:12 |
| yuriwho | the valves are only for exhaling, thus only for non-infected people | 03:12 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: i have 3M 60923 cartridges | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Ciciolina: wouldn't the whole apparatus become contaminated? Disposable seems far safer. | 03:13 |
| Spec | tinwhiskers: yes, you have to like, bleach shit and so on | 03:13 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah | 03:13 |
| Spec | or i guess washing in soap is effective | 03:13 |
| Spec | and the cartridges are expensive -- it's not a great general solution | 03:13 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: ppl can't become reinfected it seems, minus 1 dude | 03:13 |
| tinwhiskers | ... | 03:13 |
| Ciciolina | all the mask have that risk only if you have direct contact (infected particules), the cotton filter its for protection of the cartridge | 03:14 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: was that dude on steroids? | 03:14 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: so disposale isn't necessary if only 1 person ever uses it | 03:14 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: no that's just wrong | 03:14 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: that 70 yr old guy got corona twice | 03:14 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: surely the virus can get through a cotton filter? | 03:14 |
| Ciciolina | the OMS used and reused in the Ebola outbreak | 03:14 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: why? | 03:14 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: you mean if you're sick w/ a mask? | 03:14 |
| ryouma | what about this: so you unscrew the cartridge, then wash the mask and harness in dishwashing detergent? put the cartridge sompace for a few days (number of?) until the virus dies. then use fresh cartridges until the first cartridge is ok. | 03:15 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: or healthy? | 03:15 |
| Spec | because healthy-doctors should wear disposable N95s for sure | 03:15 |
| Spec | (or better) | 03:15 |
| Spec | ryouma: i'm not sure. | 03:15 |
| yuriwho | we do not yet know how long the immunity will last. With SARS/MERS, antibody immunity was lost over time (2-5 years) | 03:15 |
| yuriwho | cellular immunity lasted longer | 03:16 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: sick. I'm thinking that sick ppl can reuse masks as long as the mask is designed to be reused | 03:16 |
| tinwhiskers | Masks become contaminated and less effective after only about 30 minutes of being breathed on. They get wet. You can't keep in using them. | 03:16 |
| Spec | ryouma: these types of organic vapor cartridges lose their effectivity in open air over time, too...when i want to reuse one (for organic vapors), i seal in a bag | 03:16 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: yeah, ok | 03:16 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: ah, a sick person isn't going to use these types of respirators though of course | 03:16 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: the filter helps because this filter 0.02 micras and that is the limit of the biological particles included corona, if the cartige its infected its bad news you need changed | 03:16 |
| Spec | they make it hard to breathe! | 03:16 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: tru | 03:17 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: if you're sick its still going to catch the droplets | 03:17 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: i'm not sure i like the idea of re-using the cartridges after they've been exposed at all | 03:17 |
| ryouma | Spec: tehre are organic vapor + p100 ones at about 25usd and p100 at about 8usd. both are ok for the virus persumably. i have heard the organic vapor ones do not lose effectiveness that much. idk why; you'd think carbon at least would have that problem. but the p100 by themselves should be sufficient for the virus. | 03:18 |
| dividediff[m] | what cartridges have been proven to block corona? If your healthy | 03:18 |
| ryouma | my concern with both reusable and disposable is that the valves are not perfect. you will breathe in unfiltered air. | 03:18 |
| dividediff[m] | ryouma: maybe thats why i heard scuba equipment was bettr | 03:18 |
| ryouma | the problem with non-valve disposable masks of course is they get wet quite quickly from your breath | 03:19 |
| Spec | ryouma: yes, but they're expensive and i only have 7, and still the rituals must be maintained to use them safely | 03:19 |
| yuriwho | unless you have properly fitted p95 (or better) masks, they do not protect you from breathing small airborn droplets, the lower quality masks (think surgical) prevent sick people from spreading droplets, and protect the wearers from large projectile droplets | 03:19 |
| Spec | ryouma: you think you can re-use them for multiple days? | 03:19 |
| Spec | ryouma: maybe, i spray some bad smelling chemicals when i use the respirator | 03:20 |
| Spec | ryouma: i hope i'm not breathing in lead paint :P | 03:20 |
| ryouma | Spec: i'd think the same problem would exist with n95 (valve or non-valve) and reusable (valve + p100 cartridges) respirators: you get virus on the outside. then what do you do to take them off and put them on again? | 03:20 |
| Spec | ryouma: take off, throw cartridge away, wash mask | 03:20 |
| Spec | sanitize | 03:20 |
| Spec | repeat | 03:20 |
| Ciciolina | the mask its very important (you can reused, have some risk but you cant change it any time you go outside, some practices helps, the carbon cartiges can be used for 6 months, the cotton protections only 1 to 3 weeks) but nobody speaks of the suits... i think the more cheap and best its the dupont tyvek | 03:21 |
| ryouma | you'd need a big supply of 8usd cartridges then | 03:21 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: yeah, i would just wear mask and when i get home wash clothes immediately/sterilize | 03:21 |
| Ciciolina | <ryouma> you have a point here | 03:21 |
| Spec | ryouma: 1 every 2 weeks to go shopping? :) | 03:21 |
| dividediff[m] | since the virus only last x days, what about putting the cartridges aside for x number of days and then reusing? | 03:22 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: i'm just not sure how these p100 carts work, or how they degrade in the air once opened | 03:22 |
| ryouma | dividediff[m]: i was thinking that could be foolproof, but i was asking bercause idk | 03:23 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: i see today a video of the jhon hoppkins 4 grade lab and they go to the shower whit all outfit (dupont tyvek, mask and gloves), i think we need make the same if we are exposed | 03:23 |
| yuriwho | I think the best practices for most people are: keep your distance from other folks (avoid airborn droplets), wash hands vigorously with soap and water, hand sanitizer with >60% alcohol if you are on the go and touching stuff, wear disposable gloves and STOP TOUCHING YOUR FACE | 03:23 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: i mean lock them up in a ziplock so not too much air passes through them. How long can some1 use p100 masks before changing? | 03:23 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: yeah, i just am not set up to take alcohol baths -- plus they are exposed to a high viral load for a long duration | 03:23 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: i heard it's wash hands 20s | 03:24 |
| yuriwho | also, disinfect door knobs and handles commonly used in your house | 03:24 |
| Spec | yeah, what yuriwho said | 03:24 |
| ryouma | p100 probably last a really long time (technically 8 hours of work or so only, but i have used organic + vapor for a long time and still work) | 03:24 |
| Spec | a plus would be if everyone would wear surgical masks when they go out shopping | 03:24 |
| ryouma | they still work | 03:24 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: i think clorox + wather works... its a DUY | 03:24 |
| Spec | just in case they're sick | 03:24 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]: yes, vigorous hand washing regularly throughout the day | 03:24 |
| Spec | Ciciolina: how much does a tyvek suit cost, and how much panic will i bring to my neighbourhood | 03:25 |
| dividediff[m] | i think it's easier to count 20s then to make sure evyone in a population is washing vigorously | 03:25 |
| Spec | as i ride my motorcycle to the store in tyvek+respirator | 03:25 |
| Ciciolina | Spec: 15 buck and 100% panic mode activated | 03:25 |
| ryouma | those suits will be needed by care workers and health workers and they do not last long. you'd be having to put a new one on all the time | 03:25 |
| Spec | ^ | 03:25 |
| Spec | i don't think depriving HC of more equipment is worthwhile | 03:25 |
| HeXiLeD | Spec: imagine the amount of sneezes you will catch in the air. I am concerned as i do outside sports | 03:25 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: but on the plus side, you'll be ready for halloween | 03:25 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: accurate | 03:26 |
| Ciciolina | in mexico city the workers use clorox tisues almost 1 for minute to clear the entry to the metro system | 03:26 |
| ryouma | they are basically single-use | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 74 new cases, MGM Resorts temporarily closes Las Vegas properties β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 03:26 |
| ryouma | adn they tear! | 03:26 |
| yuriwho | Spec: someone years ago (around fukushima time) would put on a suit and walk around in a city with a geiger counter. Really freaks people out | 03:26 |
| Spec | yuriwho: oh yeah we get some of that here in DC | 03:27 |
| dividediff[m] | Spec: you can wear it to halloween dinner parties and then tell ppl as an ice breaker that you wore it doing the plague of 2020 and there can be a pause while ppl re-live the tp based ptsd lol | 03:27 |
| ryouma | sneezing is not a common symptoms of covid-19 | 03:27 |
| Spec | dividediff[m]: i can only hope that people look back fondly of the toilet paper deprivation scare, to be honest. | 03:27 |
| Ciciolina | i gonna buy the full "halloween" costume and use it when we reach at least 10 official deads, i think after that the panic mode may be go low | 03:27 |
| Ciciolina | at least the people dont gonna run if they see that | 03:28 |
| yuriwho | COVID=19 is a lower respiratory tract infection (dry cough), not upper (runny/plugged nose/sneezing) | 03:28 |
| dividediff[m] | What do u guys think ppl will do with all the tp when this is all over? I reckon it'd be " toilet paper is often used to dress the trees of your enemies' | 03:29 |
| ryouma | the chance that you personally will not get the virus from one wearing of some ppe is lower than the chance that you personally will suffer from the even 1 incremental shortage of ppe to health care workers. therefore it is better not to stock up on such things unless you are caring for somebody or are a health care worker. | 03:29 |
| ryouma | (assuming there is a shortage) | 03:29 |
| yuriwho | ^ true | 03:29 |
| Ciciolina | i see that one guy buys $70.000 in sanitarian gel to resell, today state goes and quit all... i think they send it to hospitals to re-stock | 03:31 |
| Zalyssa | what | 03:32 |
| yuriwho | NY state is now using prison labor make a state branded hand sanitizer | 03:32 |
| ryouma | i suppose if you hoard to sell, there is a chance that gov anywhere could trace you and confiscate | 03:32 |
| Ciciolina | i like see the same with the toilet paper, police behind huge stocks of thinks | 03:32 |
| sneep | lol dividediff[m] | 03:33 |
| karl | where are you from pals | 03:33 |
| sneep | i'm in .jp but from europe | 03:34 |
| karl | Italy here | 03:35 |
| Ciciolina | Colombia here | 03:35 |
| sneep | karl: stay safe | 03:36 |
| karl | situation is a bit edgy in here | 03:37 |
| karl | what about there? | 03:37 |
| skyofdust | Mexico. | 03:38 |
| skyofdust | Over here people are being absurd, buying toilet paper when we already use it and there's no shortage. | 03:39 |
| Ciciolina | here the people are absolutely blind of the situation, but we have low stock of toilet paper, pain killers and vitamin c. | 03:39 |
| RougeR | "In a phone call on Monday, Mr Johnson will encourage leaders of the G7 nations - Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States - to back the World Health Organization response, and provide funding and expertise to speed up the development of a vaccine." | 03:39 |
| RougeR | speechless.... | 03:39 |
| sneep | Boris Johnson? | 03:40 |
| bin_bash | he should follow his own advice | 03:40 |
| RougeR | yes | 03:41 |
| RougeR | the very same | 03:41 |
| Ciciolina | Spain are in complete lock down in some places, police arrest anybody out there if they dont have a mask | 03:41 |
| skyofdust | Very few cases were registered until today, it's suspected there are many. People with symptoms are told to isolate and are being tested at home. | 03:41 |
| RougeR | UK nightclubs are still open | 03:41 |
| RougeR | bars | 03:41 |
| RougeR | pubs | 03:41 |
| RougeR | the works | 03:41 |
| RougeR | im domne | 03:42 |
| RougeR | night | 03:42 |
| Zalyssa | hello domne | 03:42 |
| skyofdust | Govt doesn't think it'll be a big deal. | 03:43 |
| karl | anything but grocery stores in here are closed | 03:43 |
| skyofdust | However schools closed before spring break. | 03:43 |
| karl | can't go anywhere without a valid reason | 03:44 |
| karl | like buying groceries | 03:44 |
| Ciciolina | i dont believe in the WHO, i see a documentary from wuhan and int the middle of the doc they made a min to min of the director of the WHO repeat word by word the Xi Jinping speech | 03:45 |
| dividediff[m] | karl: canad | 03:48 |
| Zalyssa | Ciciolina: sounds silly | 03:50 |
| karl | agree with <Zalyssa> | 03:51 |
| Zalyssa | the WHO is doing pretty well here | 03:52 |
| Ciciolina | Zalyssa: i cant find the "complete" version but you can see this is in youtube, have some *blink about it | 03:52 |
| Ciciolina | The lockdown: One month in Wuhan | 03:52 |
| Ciciolina | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9FVqwO4TM | 03:52 |
| kreyren | psa don't drink disinfectant to cure Covid-19 https://youtu.be/BMSgoppbXiU | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:40 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Two Emergency Room Doctors Are in Critical Condition With Coronavirus - The New York Times β https://is.gd/CcD071 | 03:54 |
| MephMaybe | So, my mother is freaking the fuck out, constant arguing about facts and numbers. She's literally considering kicking me out, just because i'm not freaking out as hard as she is. | 04:00 |
| HeXiLeD | maybe this is just an excuse | 04:01 |
| HeXiLeD | KindOne: was opal kicked from here a bit ago? | 04:01 |
| KindOne | HeXiLeD: join/part. nothing else | 04:03 |
| yuriwho | no one was kicked or otherwise quieted or banned | 04:03 |
| kreyren | MephMaybe, provide her the verified and valid informations then | 04:03 |
| kreyren | aldo time for freaking out was 2 weeks ago in general so you should be already prepared for this unless your country is currently facing the hit from the epidemic | 04:04 |
| MephMaybe | kreyren, i do man. Literally just talking about factual numbers, with deathrates, recovery rates, and everything else. She just ignores all of it and insists that if anyone gets it they die. | 04:04 |
| Zalyssa | MephMaybe: it may be more important here to just loosely agree to what she's saying if you're under the threat of being kicked out | 04:05 |
| Zalyssa | if you've already tried talking about actual factual information | 04:06 |
| kreyren | MephMaybe, she may not be far from trueth assuming relevant age group | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 04:07 |
| MephMaybe | Zalyssa: I've just turned to "don't talk to me about" Every time she's tried to talk to me about anything Covid, just so i can avoid argument, but this option has led to her being a dick about anything i ask her. And we (as a family) aren't in a danger zone when it comes to age. She's 44 and i'm 20. | 04:08 |
| Ciciolina | Guys... my mother and my father call me now... they have direct contact with an infected person (my uncle goes yesterday to a meeting and after he arrives to home the friend who invites him calls and say "i have coronachan"), guys im go to home tomorrow fuc... this sucks! this is real, please some advise, fuc.... sorry but haaa i cant belive this go to knoc knoc my house | 04:08 |
| HeXiLeD | irc chat advice is not the best | 04:08 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, 1. calm the fuck down, 2. if he has covid-19 then make sure he is self-isolating and in case he's above 40+ then consider hospitalization and inform the doctor about the fact, everyone who was in contact with him so do the same as well | 04:09 |
| Zalyssa | HeXiLeD: what advice would be the best? | 04:09 |
| KindOne | HeXiLeD: why did you join ##defo....... ? | 04:10 |
| HeXiLeD | KindOne: same reason as you. we both go to the same places everywhere | 04:10 |
| KindOne | do not | 04:11 |
| HeXiLeD | Zalyssa: from the experts in the fields of your interest | 04:11 |
| KindOne | i dont see you in codename super-fun-channel channel | 04:11 |
| Ciciolina | i live a 500km from my parents house, i will use a bus to transport, i will use the 3M 6200 mask or a military grade mask i have an have little or not human contact. i have some fly tickets than i can change to travel tomorrow... i have experience in decease control at least i can make something and dont let him alone. i can make a containment 3/4 grade space for my uncle | 04:11 |
| HeXiLeD | yah we do KindOne. But it does not mean i use HeXiLeD everywhere | 04:12 |
| HeXiLeD | such as on opal net ;) | 04:12 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, do not use bus to transport personal infected with covid-19.. that's how you sent your state in emergency and collapse an economy, see Italy | 04:12 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, contact your doctor about the fact and tell your parents to self-isolate unless doctor orders otherwise | 04:12 |
| kreyren | If your parents are in risk group which is 60+ years then hospitalization should be considered in case they get worse to prevent Severe Acute Respitory Syndrome (SARS) which may be fatal | 04:13 |
| Ciciolina | i dont have personal transport, my mom and my father are very confident and they dont see the real panorama, i speak with him/her and they dont believe its more than a little flu | 04:14 |
| dividediff[m] | https://dump.video/i/PgFtDR.mp4 | 04:14 |
| dividediff[m] | To really understand the extent of the COVID19 crisis in Italy, here is a comparison of the obituary pages in a daily paper in Bergamo. A copy from 9 Feb is compared with one from March 13. https://dump.video/i/PgFtDR.mp4 | 04:14 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, depending where you live then contacting the local authority about the fact might be the best option. | 04:14 |
| Ciciolina | my father have hypertension and 60-62 years old my uncle (the ppal focus) have 50 i think | 04:15 |
| dividediff[m] | "The Lancet: Global case fatality rate from coronavirus settles in at 5.7%, or 57 times higher than the flu⦠death rate skyrockets to 20% when hospitals get overrun" | 04:15 |
| yuriwho | the uncle should quarantine, he's not contagious but is a contact, unless your parents have had contact with a person who has (or shortly thereafter had) symptoms they are not possibly infected | 04:15 |
| kreyren | i.e in my country the police would force the self-isolation due to the state of the emergency assuming infecting other citizens with covid-19 is a punishable offense under 3.000.000 CZK and up to 6 years in prison. | 04:15 |
| kreyren | but that is too drastic since it's state of the emergency, make sure to inform them about the severify of the virus and if they refuse to listen then consider your options to prevent spread and their self-harm by not taking appropriate measurements to prevent their condition from getting worse | 04:16 |
| Zalyssa | technically you're infecting them with sars-cov-2 | 04:16 |
| Ciciolina | guys really really i calculate the best scenario to two or three weeks (i buy tickets to fly in 3 weeks), to help my family, create conscious about the huge problem and be there but this news fuc.. everithing | 04:17 |
| HeXiLeD | panic does not help | 04:17 |
| HeXiLeD | some people will not want to be helped | 04:17 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, symptoms of covid-19 starts after 3 days and up to 14 days (29 days based on non-verified study) | 04:18 |
| HeXiLeD | seems it cam live in the human system for 6 weeks too. | 04:19 |
| yuriwho | median time till symptoms after contact is ~6 days | 04:19 |
| yuriwho | people are no longer infectious once they start recovering | 04:19 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, in ideal situation you want them to take a test on covid-19 and stay self-isolation for at least 14 days while being monitored by a trained professional i.e doctor | 04:19 |
| yuriwho | but they shed virus for up to 6 weeks or so..... non-infectious viral particles | 04:20 |
| yuriwho | here's the ref for what I just stated: https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/people-shed-high-levels-of-coronavirus-study-finds-but-most-are-likely-not-infectious-after-recovery-begins/ | 04:21 |
| Ciciolina | i dont have the best relation with my family but my bother cant survive if any happens, he cant travel have a serious disease, he is my transport method,i can go, buy all the things for containment (i have experience in control of SARS, and montage of isolation rooms), at least my mom an dad dont have a direct contact with my uncle | 04:21 |
| Spec | how do you shed it and it not be infectious? | 04:21 |
| HeXiLeD | any twitter accounts out there posting updates ? | 04:22 |
| yuriwho | your immune system produces neutralizing antibodies that render the viral particles non-infectious. They still test +ve for viral RNA by RT-PCR tests though | 04:23 |
| Ciciolina | only have 2 options bus (i know Italian sittuation about buses), or fly (im afaid of the air system on a plane)... i cant only guide him via phone beacuse i know my father dont believe its a huge deal | 04:23 |
| Ciciolina | sorry for this guys.. i dont like take this chat for my problems... | 04:23 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, direct contact might not be relevant assuming that there is a posibility of it being infectant on 11 meters (unverified) i believe it's best to contact a doctor inform them about the situation and self-isolate for at least 14 days. | 04:25 |
| Zalyssa | air filters on aircraft are actually quite good | 04:25 |
| kreyren | if their conditions gets worse then they should be hospitalized depending on the situation | 04:25 |
| yuriwho | 2 meters max | 04:25 |
| kreyren | yuriwho, proof? Assuming that small particles that can be cought out of the infected person carry the virus then depending on the conditions i believe it to be possible to spread on longer area | 04:27 |
| dividediff[m] | "It seems in Italy, the use of drugs to reduce fever, such as paracetamol, ibuprofen or aspirin increases the death rate" | 04:28 |
| yuriwho | well, depending on air handling and enclosed spaces | 04:28 |
| kreyren | also they might have touch something in the room that might be infected (assuming that average person touches it's face multiple times a day and that SARS-CoV-2 can be inhaled and get to the body though the eyes) | 04:28 |
| kreyren | dividediff[m], source? | 04:29 |
| Ciciolina | guys if my uncle (high possible infected), touch bags and others superficies (specially plastic bags), what is the risk? any %? | 04:30 |
| Ciciolina | if my father touch the same | 04:30 |
| yuriwho | is he showing symptoms? | 04:30 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, percentage is hard to estaminate.. if they touched an infected area and did not touch their faces and desinfected their hands then the risk of getting covid-19 is low **I BELIEVE** | 04:31 |
| Ciciolina | today 5 hours ago | 04:31 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: you have all that information on many medical websites | 04:31 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, you should tell them to monitor their temperature since that is usually the first symptoms, then shortness of breath and bone pain | 04:31 |
| kreyren | and coughing | 04:31 |
| Ciciolina | i will go to find some info about | 04:32 |
| HeXiLeD | yes. daily temperature check is useful | 04:32 |
| yuriwho | it's not possible to give %'s | 04:32 |
| kreyren | if you can't get them tested then keeping them self-isolated and checking body temperature and symptoms should be enough of an indicator for hospitalization | 04:32 |
| HeXiLeD | on this topic i am about to buy a temperature gun. been having doubt between medical ones and industrial ones and accuracy. Any tips on this ? | 04:33 |
| kreyren | HeXiLeD, i would say multiple times a day.. when it was discovered in china i was checking temperature in 8 countries every 4 hours | 04:33 |
| kreyren | HeXiLeD, the laser thermometer is a good thing | 04:34 |
| HeXiLeD | kreyren: yes i know. just the type is my doubt | 04:34 |
| HeXiLeD | accuracy also matters | 04:34 |
| kreyren | true | 04:34 |
| Ciciolina | i listen you guy i have my mom on the phone in this moment, im gonna try to guide her about type of mask and sterilization tools and routines and hope she believe how serious is this... my airline fuc... me and dont let me change the fly to tomorrow | 04:34 |
| Ciciolina | thanks guys | 04:34 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, you shoudn't listen to us and rather ask your doctor tbh | 04:34 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: home made sanitizer can be doen cheap | 04:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:17 UTC: California: California governor directs all bars and nightclubs to close as coronavirus spreads β https://is.gd/AEZrpb | 04:35 |
| kreyren | we are just idiot on the internet trying to help even when i am studying for a doctor atm i am not confident in providing an accurate informations about covid-19 excluding those that i have evidence to be backed up | 04:35 |
| Ciciolina | i work with doctors and here its really the third world if you go they dont test anything (the gov try to cover here the situation, is not the first time, i have personal experience about it), if i dont do something they are alone, i hope this will be another country... a good one | 04:37 |
| kreyren | Ciciolina, mind sharing the country where do you live? | 04:37 |
| kreyren | i might be able to provide better information to handle the situation with it | 04:37 |
| Ciciolina | colombia one of the most corrupt places in the world | 04:38 |
| HeXiLeD | i have a friend there. | 04:38 |
| kreyren | i.e in czech republic you are expected to inform the authorities and they will handle the situation accordingly in case the potentionally infecteous person is not respecting the self-isolation | 04:38 |
| kreyren | Afaik USA does not hanle the situation well enough so self-isolation, regular temperature checking and looking for symptoms should be the best course of action and informed doctor about the situation in case they need hospitalization | 04:39 |
| HeXiLeD | the only country handling isolation well as china | 04:40 |
| Ciciolina | i made a math model of contagion and at least here will be 150 - 250 of cases, the gov say only 45 cases | 04:40 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: care to share? | 04:40 |
| kreyren | ^ +1 share the model | 04:40 |
| kreyren | but i wouldn't be surpriced if the provided information about infected citizens is inaccurate since not everyone is able to test them atm | 04:41 |
| kreyren | and also theory does not equal practice | 04:41 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | !cases India | 04:41 |
| kreyren | %cases India | 04:41 |
| Brainstorm | kreyren: In all areas, India, there are 114 cases, 2 deaths (1.8% of cases), 13 recoveries as of March 16, 03:23Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 04:41 |
| Ciciolina | the family of friends were my uncle was exposed was rich and they dont inform anybody they knew are infected and invite at least 20 people this weekend to her home, when my uncle arrive to home they calls and say: "thanks for all... and you are infected BTW" | 04:43 |
| Ciciolina | i will share the model let me try to delete any metadata or info (its not paranoid its the real situation here in colombia) | 04:44 |
| kreyren | quite irresponsible in my country that would be punishable offense atm. If your parents are rich then it shoudn't be a problem to get the required healthcare in USA. | 04:44 |
| kreyren | he might be also full of shit though | 04:44 |
| Ciciolina | sure here the rich people made the rules are untouchable, i love the response of the others countries | 04:45 |
| HeXiLeD | it is all the same everwhere. | 04:47 |
| kreyren | if you love the response of the other countries then you might want to consider your affiliation in politics to do something about it :p | 04:47 |
| kreyren | HeXiLeD, Not really in Europe i have to be careful about the law but generally there is a favor for the judgement of the dispute due to the fact that rich can offer a better lawyer | 04:48 |
| kreyren | but i can't imagine things like trump's perfect phone call being a thing here | 04:49 |
| Zalyssa | oh no not covid-20 | 04:50 |
| Ciciolina | kreyren: i cant for personal situation... this is off-topic but im out of the system for 12 years i hope i can make a change in politics or in response systems in my country but only i can do its my job the best i can and stay out off all i can too | 04:51 |
| HeXiLeD | kreyren: the law , the people and what is enforced are all different. | 04:51 |
| kreyren | Zalyssa, apparently it mutated so covid-20 might be a thing but i dont know any valid source for it | 04:51 |
| kreyren | HeXiLeD, the general concept is same in all juristictions though | 04:52 |
| HeXiLeD | Portugal for example, sent students home and shutdown universities. Has penalties up to 8 years for who violates quarentine. Many students went to the beachs and fill the day as vacation. | 04:52 |
| HeXiLeD | so... | 04:53 |
| HeXiLeD | humans only change behaviour when at the brink of destruction. | 04:53 |
| HeXiLeD | it will take a while more. | 04:53 |
| Zalyssa | that's bollocks | 04:53 |
| kreyren | the brink of destruction is also depending on the culture | 04:53 |
| HeXiLeD | let it get to a million deaths and the streets will be empty everywhere | 04:53 |
| Zalyssa | humans change their behaviour for a variety of reasons, many far less than "when at the brink of destruction" | 04:53 |
| kreyren | i.e in CZ we generally resolve all the problems that we have when possible | 04:54 |
| HeXiLeD | Zalyssa: feel free to argue with history. not with me. | 04:54 |
| Zalyssa | HeXiLeD: I'm gonna argue with you, because you're patently wrong | 04:54 |
| HeXiLeD | i could say the same and then what? what do we both win from an online arguement? | 04:55 |
| HeXiLeD | neither will convince the other | 04:55 |
| HeXiLeD | so... check this out | 04:55 |
| HeXiLeD | -> /ignore add Zalyssa | 04:55 |
| kreyren | rude | 04:55 |
| HeXiLeD | not here to argue. | 04:55 |
| HeXiLeD | that person as a diff opinion. sure. i have mine. history has history | 04:56 |
| Zalyssa | oh no whatever will I do now | 04:56 |
| kreyren | still being close-minded helps none and mostly proves the relevant party of it's futile behavior and opinion | 04:56 |
| HeXiLeD | not closed minded. civil discurse is one thing. forcing someone else opinion down on another person is another. telling someone older with more life experience and years in the planet is rude and lets nort forget different cultures. | 04:57 |
| Ciciolina | guys thanks for the help im more calm down, i will share with you some guides you can find useful https://imgur.com/a/8wZYQol when i can clean the metadata of my math model of prediction of covid i will share | 04:58 |
| kreyren | > older with more life experience and years in the planet is rude -- Any relevant information is relevant where your experience is irelevant to the topic | 04:58 |
| kreyren | since generally this kind of argument is likely to be obsolete | 04:58 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "is peter roberts ever online?"> When you sent that message it was 2am where I am | 04:59 |
| HeXiLeD | kreyren: many cultures tend to respect the older based on life experience. seems you not. | 04:59 |
| HeXiLeD | added you too on the same list | 04:59 |
| Zalyssa | ...lol | 04:59 |
| Zalyssa | ok boomer | 04:59 |
| kreyren | HeXiLeD, So do i, but generally you respect the older based on his behavior and informations provided instead of assuming their argument as valid "because they said so" | 05:00 |
| Zalyssa | essentially, I argue with people like this, not to change their minds, but to demonstrate to observers that they're full of shit | 05:00 |
| Zalyssa | the argument of "I'm older therefore you should respect and believe me" is utter shit | 05:01 |
| X-Scale | https://www.rt.com/uk/483166-uk-elderly-people-isolation/ | 05:01 |
| kreyren | +1 | 05:01 |
| X-Scale | https://news.yahoo.com/italians-over-80-left-die-151225888.html | 05:03 |
| X-Scale | *** Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 05:03 |
| kreyren | X-Scale, would say fake news last time i checked they were stabilizing | 05:04 |
| kreyren | meaning 1.6 days ago | 05:04 |
| HeXiLeD | Ciciolina: i am calm. telling people that they are wrong without even considering reasons (cultural, historical, social & educational) that lead to a comment and trying to reduce that comment to ignorance while trying to prove ones superior knowledge is quite rude. Imagine someone judging your actions about this without knowing the situation you may be facing. | 05:05 |
| pwr22 | RougeR: The fact you want an op-list so you can treat ops differently or be more well behaved in front of them is a good reason not to have one imo | 05:06 |
| twomoon | wow this channel is getting so big that it's going thru that phase where it starts desiring a clear bill of rights | 05:07 |
| HeXiLeD | eheh | 05:07 |
| twomoon | we have to consider whether the founding fathers of this channel merely wanted attention or if they wanted to better our lives | 05:08 |
| twomoon | if we assume the former it's not worth better defining the rules and rights | 05:08 |
| HeXiLeD | too many people with too many opinions, trying to proof that theirs is better than the other. | 05:08 |
| twomoon | if the latter then we may be well on our way to being the biggest channel in freenode soon | 05:08 |
| HeXiLeD | while ignorng that the planet has the ultimate word on all of it. | 05:08 |
| twomoon | absolutely agree | 05:09 |
| sneep | wow, 213 nicks : | 05:09 |
| HeXiLeD | the ecosystem has a way to balance itself. once a while every X amount of years it gives humans something to deal with, while it controls the ecosystem. Many times... product of our own arrogance. | 05:10 |
| HeXiLeD | (maybe i should exclude millenials and Zgen since they do nothing wrong :P) | 05:10 |
| yuriwho | another good channel for coronavirus info is #coronavirus with ~267 nicks atm | 05:11 |
| ryouma | if Ltl (italian founder) is what you are talking about, i do not doubt his intentions at all --- 21:08 <twomoon> we have to consider whether the founding fathers of this channel merely wanted attention or if they wanted to better our lives | 05:11 |
| twomoon | it's a joke obviously it's to help everyone | 05:12 |
| HeXiLeD | mmhmm | 05:12 |
| HeXiLeD | be informative and thats about it. | 05:12 |
| yuriwho | guys there is a single hash channel you can go and bitch in about mods | 05:12 |
| twomoon | nobody has ever doubted him. | 05:12 |
| Zalyssa | sneep, but half of them are matrix users and don't count as people Β―\_(γ)_/Β― | 05:14 |
| sneep | w | 05:14 |
| sneep | https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/covid-19-3d-printed-valve-for-reanimation-device/ | 05:14 |
| twomoon | what's matrix? | 05:14 |
| sneep | %title | 05:14 |
| Brainstorm | sneep: From www.3dprintingmedia.network: Coronavirus and 3D printing - 3D Printing Media Network | 05:14 |
| ryouma | maybe the linking of networks is an issue as there are two cultures? | 05:14 |
| sneep | People used to be able to set proper <title> tags | 05:14 |
| sneep | ryouma: I think it's kind of fun | 05:14 |
| HeXiLeD | will work for toillet paper -> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETMnwtyWoAAG6IM?format=jpg&name=small | 05:15 |
| sneep | lol | 05:15 |
| HeXiLeD | twomoon: bloated irc alternative | 05:15 |
| ryouma | idk matrix and don't use it and would like it to be fun and want to know what others are thinking or saying but i am distrubed by all this meta. | 05:15 |
| Zalyssa | bridging matrix to IRC was one of the worst ideas conjured up | 05:15 |
| twomoon | never heard of it | 05:16 |
| ubLIX | matrix requires the bridges in order to establish itself | 05:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist at 04:00 UTC: Coronavirus: What we know so far about risks to pregnancy and babies: Pregnant people donβt seem to be at greater risk of experiencing severe covid-19, and the virus doesnβt seem to pass to fetuses, but thereβs still a lot we donβt know β https://is.gd/WL6J6Q | 05:17 |
| sneep | I guess Matrix users are probably younger in general? | 05:18 |
| ubLIX | sneep: doubtful | 05:18 |
| HeXiLeD | twomoon: the nicks you see with [m] here are bridged from the matrix. Think of it as hyper enhanced irc with all bells and whistles that irc can only do with a lot of addons, custom work and hard admin dedication | 05:18 |
| sneep | I mean I'm like 31 | 05:18 |
| HeXiLeD | sneep: correct | 05:18 |
| twomoon | can i use matrix in a way that allows me to always be online | 05:18 |
| HeXiLeD | ubLIX: nop. true | 05:18 |
| ryouma | i was not implying that matrix was a problem juist that the merging of 2 cultures might be causing discord. no pun intended. | 05:18 |
| twomoon | like through a cloud service? | 05:18 |
| ryouma | and it was just speculation | 05:18 |
| HeXiLeD | twomoon: you can use it even with an irc client such as weechat | 05:18 |
| sneep | lol discord | 05:18 |
| twomoon | which is a good cloud platform that i could use to be always logged in? | 05:19 |
| ryouma | yet another new chat thing i am unfamiliar with :) | 05:19 |
| ryouma | all i know is irc | 05:19 |
| sneep | i think merging cultures is fun | 05:19 |
| HeXiLeD | irc runs anywhere. the matrix is resource hog | 05:19 |
| ubLIX | twomoon: matrix inherently rather obviates the need for a bouncer | 05:19 |
| ryouma | if debian has matrix maybe i will try it sometime | 05:20 |
| sneep | debian has a couple irc clients in its repos | 05:20 |
| twomoon | i'm just looking for a cloud service for irc or matrix it doesn't matter | 05:20 |
| ryouma | sneep: i am using one. idk whether it has a /matrix/ client | 05:20 |
| ryouma | taht is worth it | 05:20 |
| ryouma | (i use emacs as an irc client) | 05:20 |
| HeXiLeD | twomoon: that would be irccloud | 05:21 |
| sneep[m] | For example I'm typing this on Quaternion. Which is not very good I think! :p | 05:21 |
| HeXiLeD | but keep in mind all your coms can be read by them | 05:21 |
| dlog | is the u.s. going to go into nationwide lockdown? | 05:22 |
| sneep | maybe | 05:22 |
| ryouma | wish it would act sooner rather than later | 05:22 |
| ryouma | preserve the hospital systems | 05:22 |
| ubLIX | HeXiLeD: I don't know, but I'd guess the average age of matrix users was greater than 30? | 05:23 |
| sneep | maybe it wouldn't make sense to lock down a single cabin in the middle of nowhere | 05:23 |
| Zalyssa | I don't imagine there would be a nationwide american lockdown unless it got really out of hand | 05:23 |
| HeXiLeD | all these lockdowns would be more effective if done a couple months ago just for travel. Containment would been easier. Then travel after screen | 05:23 |
| dlog | once it gets out of hand isn't a lockdown too late? | 05:23 |
| X-Scale | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ | 05:24 |
| X-Scale | *** United States Coronavirus: 3,782 Cases and 69 Deaths - Worldometer | 05:24 |
| HeXiLeD | ubLIX: i dont think so. | 05:24 |
| Zalyssa | at the same time, the US administration doesn't really have a handle on things anyway, so all the more room for it to get out of hand | 05:24 |
| HeXiLeD | but ... i am speculating | 05:24 |
| Zalyssa | dlog: yes and no | 05:24 |
| tinwhiskers | lockdown still "flattens the curve", which is the main thing after containment fails. | 05:25 |
| tinwhiskers | (or is missed) | 05:25 |
| Zalyssa | in the case of italy, yes it got quite bad before they implemented a lockdown, but you could make the argument that enacting that lockdown has still prevented an even worse spread | 05:25 |
| Zalyssa | basically what tinwhiskers said | 05:25 |
| dlog | but lockdown after the shit hits the fan flattens the curve by killing everyone | 05:25 |
| Zalyssa | not necessarily | 05:26 |
| dlog | i interpret shit hitting the fan as tons of peopel requiring icus | 05:26 |
| tinwhiskers | no, it slows the rate of spread such that hospitals can (hopefully) cope with the numbers | 05:26 |
| sneep | dlog: it depends on what your definition of "out of hand" | 05:26 |
| dlog | sneep: true | 05:26 |
| dlog | what is your definition? | 05:26 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, people will still die but less than if the hospitals get overloaded | 05:26 |
| sneep | Italy isn't quite out of hand I think | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | the hospital systems are barely coping so it's probably not quite out of hand, but can that sustain that pace? | 05:28 |
| dlog | so your definition of out of hand is full mad max post-apocalypse? | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | *can it sustain that pace? | 05:28 |
| sneep | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ "We apologize for the temporary disservice that you may have experienced. For about 20 minutes, our site showed clearly incorrect data due to a malicious act. We have investigated the issue and we're now implementing protective measures to prevent this from happening again. The other day we got hit with a big DDoS attack. Now this. We'll continue with our daily | 05:28 |
| sneep | efforts and we'll not give up." | 05:28 |
| sneep | wow | 05:28 |
| dlog | who the fuck is dos'ing covid sites? | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | out of hand means the hospitals can't cope and have to let people die without treatment | 05:28 |
| dlog | tinwhiskers: that's italy right now | 05:29 |
| tinwhiskers | then it's out of hand | 05:29 |
| dlog | peopel are dying in hallways because they don't have icus | 05:29 |
| ubLIX | if that isn't out of hand, i never want to find out what is | 05:29 |
| tinwhiskers | they are only moving like 6 people a day to other regions so presumably they aren't entirely unable to handle the numbers | 05:29 |
| HeXiLeD | dlog: people that see it as a panic causing source | 05:29 |
| pwr22 | <twomoon "like through a cloud service?"> Yes π | 05:30 |
| twomoon | who uses irccloud here? | 05:30 |
| pwr22 | > <@freenode_twomoon:matrix.org> like through a cloud service? | 05:30 |
| pwr22 | * Yes π, it acts like a bouncer through the bridge. | 05:30 |
| twomoon | is it private? | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 04:27 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Reuters su Twitter: "Venezuela orders 'collective quarantine' in response to coronavirus https://t.co/EFoXFP8dOuβ¦ " β https://is.gd/GItJe1 | 05:31 |
| tinwhiskers | twomoon: how do you mean, private? | 05:31 |
| twomoon | i dunno nevermind | 05:31 |
| twomoon | i should assume it's not private actually | 05:31 |
| twomoon | irccloud will have full access | 05:31 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:31 |
| ubLIX | if suppose i might be forgiven for this: | 05:33 |
| ubLIX | Matrix Manifesto | 05:33 |
| ubLIX | We believe: | 05:33 |
| ubLIX | People should have full control over their own communication. | 05:33 |
| ubLIX | People should not be locked into centralised communication silos, but instead be free to pick who they choose to host their communication without limiting who they can reach. | 05:33 |
| ubLIX | The ability to converse securely and privately is a basic human right. | 05:33 |
| ubLIX | Communication should be available to everyone as a free and open, unencumbered, standard and global network | 05:33 |
| tinwhiskers | the ideal pace is to have people falling ill at a rate that the hospitals can sustain so the pandemic blows through as fast as possible, but with the fewest casualties. | 05:33 |
| HeXiLeD | ubLIX: pastebin site would be better | 05:33 |
| HeXiLeD | ubLIX: matrix was done by former irc admins. They thought about trying to make something better. or at least plug and play | 05:34 |
| ubLIX | fair point | 05:34 |
| HeXiLeD | dlog: all this containment will only mitigate. | 05:34 |
| HeXiLeD | maybe spring 2021 things will get back to normal | 05:34 |
| tinwhiskers | unmanaged it could peak in only 4-6 weeks then fade away but a lot of people would die. You probably need to stretch it out to 4-8 months, and try to keep the people over 80 from getting it until ~ 60% of the population gets it. Waiting for a year to get a vaccine will cripple economies. | 05:36 |
| HeXiLeD | makes sense. | 05:37 |
| tinwhiskers | The other option is we find some drugs to treat the symptoms - fingers crossed. | 05:37 |
| twomoon | economies won't be crippled if we go with a giant UBI plan across the board for all countries | 05:37 |
| twomoon | univ basic income | 05:37 |
| tinwhiskers | twomoon: fair, but unlikely | 05:37 |
| twomoon | boom, saves the economy | 05:37 |
| HeXiLeD | even with containment... many humans will not change. like i said... some people need only hear the train when they are 2 steps away from it. | 05:37 |
| HeXiLeD | this may well reset the economy | 05:38 |
| twomoon | but then with UBI what'll happen is that the economy won't start back up again quickly | 05:38 |
| twomoon | everyone will be off vacationing in the countries that didn't enact a UBI | 05:38 |
| sneep | BTW -- didn't people use to get treated using antibodies created by recovered patients? Did that not work? | 05:39 |
| exoteric | everyone? | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | sneep: that's looking promising actually | 05:39 |
| HeXiLeD | lower prices, which allow millennials and Zgen to afford things, also gets ride of pensioners which will add relief to the plans. interesting times for sure. | 05:39 |
| twomoon | a long time ago it worked but then became a dangerous thing to try in the age of HIV and hepatitis | 05:39 |
| sneep | ah | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, it has risks | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | but we routines do blood donations so can manage that | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | *routinely | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | we'd still need to screen just like we do now. | 05:40 |
| tinwhiskers | we actually need more people to recover yet to get plenty of donors with the antibodies | 05:41 |
| tinwhiskers | https://www.jci.org/articles/view/138003 - The convalescent sera option for containing COVID-19 | 05:42 |
| HeXiLeD | someone sent me this link about this guy. I found him a bit annoying but he does touch a few interesting points in regards to the current times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQx2xhT9590 and what we are experiencing. | 05:43 |
| HeXiLeD | in away... this coincidence it quite interesting. | 05:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 04:41 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: First death reported in Mexico. β https://is.gd/CoWJof | 05:45 |
| sneep | I first heard about this one month ago and I thought all our problems were solved :p | 05:49 |
| HeXiLeD | "this one"? | 05:50 |
| sneep | I first heard about this method one month ago and I thought all our problems were solved :p | 05:50 |
| HeXiLeD | antibodies created by recovered patients? | 05:52 |
| sneep | Yes | 05:52 |
| HeXiLeD | i saw something about ways to find a cure that meant more people get infected in order to do so | 05:52 |
| sneep | I guess this is about trading (stocks etc.)? | 05:54 |
| HeXiLeD | investments | 05:54 |
| sneep | Looks like Spain | 05:55 |
| HeXiLeD | this whole virus thing, does come in a very specific time. | 05:55 |
| sneep | He's probably got a nice house | 05:55 |
| HeXiLeD | ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad | Fox News | 05:57 |
| yuriwho | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/09/covid-19-biologic-therapies-reviewed | 05:57 |
| HeXiLeD | these are the ones that should get the virus | 05:57 |
| sneep | At least Europe's safe from terrorists then, lol | 05:57 |
| yuriwho | thats a great link for info on antibody therapies and vaccines | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:42 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: government prepares second stimulus package β updates: NSW health minister warns of an βexponentialβ increase in cases; Coalition begins work on round two of economic stimulus; and Woolworths announces special shopping hours for elderly and disabled. Follow all the latest news, live β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 05:59 |
| sneep | "This program (TAK-888) would take around a year, give or take some months, to start treating high-risk patients." :( | 05:59 |
| HeXiLeD | strengthen the immune system is the best one can do in order to resist the infection as much as possible | 06:03 |
| truths33k3r[m] | suggestions? | 06:04 |
| truths33k3r[m] | ive been taking vitamin c, mushroom complex, reservitrol and coq10 | 06:04 |
| HeXiLeD | i did see a page with a lot of info on what to eat to help | 06:05 |
| HeXiLeD | vitamin C was mentioned | 06:05 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | %suggestions | 06:05 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | Which planet other than Earth has maximum amount of oxygen and water availability | 06:10 |
| yuriwho | hey folks, sorry I was on the phone for the last 2 hours. I can answer any questions about therapeutics & vaccine developments people may have | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 06:12 |
| HeXiLeD | you in the medical field yuriwho ? | 06:13 |
| yuriwho | I am a PhD Chemical Biologist working in Biotech/Diagnostics | 06:13 |
| HeXiLeD | cool. | 06:14 |
| twomoon | good job to have in a downturn | 06:14 |
| yuriwho | news alert avoid ibuprophen, aspirin and other NSAIDS: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection | 06:14 |
| HeXiLeD | in general, whats your view on all this? | 06:14 |
| twomoon | paracetamol only? | 06:15 |
| yuriwho | I think we are in for 6-12 months of severe disruption | 06:15 |
| HeXiLeD | yuriwho: i agree | 06:15 |
| HeXiLeD | data seems to indicate that | 06:16 |
| yuriwho | yet tylenol/acetaminophen/paracetamol is fine | 06:16 |
| twomoon | singapore said sars #1 was 6 months of disruption. so i think it could be like twice that for sars #2 | 06:16 |
| HeXiLeD | given the way this goes from person to person, i agree | 06:16 |
| yuriwho | folks who get infected (mild/moderate) and survive will be able to return to normal quickly, reports are that severe cases end with 20-30% reduced lung function | 06:18 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: hello! | 06:18 |
| pwr22 | Hi | 06:19 |
| yuriwho | a large number of people will be working from home staying in relative isolation waiting for blood based or synthetic antibody therapies/a vaccine | 06:19 |
| twomoon | oh god you're scaring me | 06:20 |
| yuriwho | if we get a vaccine any sooner than 18 months it's because we have skipped most of the safety studies | 06:20 |
| HeXiLeD | and therefore... not a good idea | 06:22 |
| yuriwho | the global financial system as we know it will no longer apply | 06:22 |
| HeXiLeD | yup | 06:22 |
| HeXiLeD | market reset | 06:22 |
| twomoon | ya think? | 06:22 |
| HeXiLeD | if this lasts for a year? sure. | 06:22 |
| yuriwho | a chance to fit a lot of income inequality perhaps | 06:22 |
| yuriwho | fix | 06:23 |
| HeXiLeD | right now, italy may be booted from .eu | 06:23 |
| twomoon | oh god scary thought | 06:23 |
| HeXiLeD | and possibly other countries too | 06:23 |
| yuriwho | I don't think anyone really knows how this will play out | 06:23 |
| twomoon | everything doom and gloom now | 06:23 |
| HeXiLeD | yuriwho: well... humans always find a way to work it out | 06:23 |
| HeXiLeD | i dont think it will be that much of a doom but will be something of no good. | 06:24 |
| HeXiLeD | i risk losing quite a lot | 06:24 |
| yuriwho | US futures trating was halted at the open tonight for max limit down | 06:25 |
| yuriwho | trading | 06:25 |
| twomoon | i don't think the global financial system will look different | 06:26 |
| HeXiLeD | given the way this virus passes from human to human, i dont see how this will stop if we do not shutdown everything for a 6 weeks | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 05:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Downing Street to give daily TV briefings on outbreak β https://is.gd/JYSp0X | 06:26 |
| twomoon | oh boy the limit down thing again | 06:26 |
| HeXiLeD | twomoon: have you seen the movie contagion? | 06:27 |
| twomoon | yeah | 06:27 |
| twomoon | forgot the details tho | 06:27 |
| HeXiLeD | well.. it only has 3 details different from covid19 | 06:27 |
| IronY | HeXiLeD: and a magic cure made inside 4 months | 06:27 |
| IronY | and one of those details is a 4 hour incubation | 06:27 |
| IronY | and a almost immediate death | 06:27 |
| IronY | ;) | 06:27 |
| HeXiLeD | yah 'magic' | 06:27 |
| HeXiLeD | .nl is saying that that found something to deter covid19... after 4 months | 06:28 |
| HeXiLeD | honestly... contagion is the blue print for covid19 | 06:28 |
| B[m]2 | Doctor suspects I have COVID-19 | 06:28 |
| HeXiLeD | B[m]2: you? infected ? | 06:29 |
| B[m]2 | He gave me referral to get a test but when I call the number to make an appointment no one answers | 06:29 |
| yuriwho | are you in isolation? | 06:30 |
| HeXiLeD | country? | 06:30 |
| B[m]2 | <HeXiLeD "B: you? infected ?"> Possibly | 06:30 |
| B[m]2 | Think Iβll just turn up to the test facility tomorrow | 06:30 |
| B[m]2 | <yuriwho "are you in isolation?"> Iβm trying to isolate | 06:31 |
| _io_ | what do you mean "trying?" | 06:31 |
| B[m]2 | <_io_ "what do you mean "trying?""> Well I need to get food and shopping | 06:32 |
| HeXiLeD | cant you order? | 06:32 |
| B[m]2 | Since Iβm not officially positive do I need to isolate? | 06:32 |
| IronY | B[m]2: Country? | 06:32 |
| HeXiLeD | ask someone to deliver or drop it at your door. slide the $ under. | 06:32 |
| HeXiLeD | if you suspect, you should take precautions | 06:33 |
| _io_ | it's good to isolate even if you're clean. if you can. | 06:33 |
| _io_ | everyone should isolate as much as possible | 06:33 |
| B[m]2 | <_io_ "it's good to isolate even if you"> I agree, I take public transport everyday so I will isolate for a while. Well as long as I have leave | 06:34 |
| IronY | please B[m]2 answer the country question :D | 06:34 |
| yuriwho | Isolate if you have symptoms | 06:34 |
| goodboy4[m] | what things have you got at home? desinfextion, masks,...? | 06:34 |
| B[m]2 | <IronY "please B answer the country ques"> New Zealand | 06:35 |
| IronY | Thank you :D | 06:35 |
| IronY | How are you feeling? | 06:35 |
| yuriwho | put a mask or mouth covering (cloth) if you leave home or are around others | 06:36 |
| IronY | yuriwho: I read today that a double cotton layer is the best home made mask | 06:36 |
| IronY | not that any home made mask is better then a non home made mask | 06:36 |
| HeXiLeD | B[m]2: have you been in contact with anyone travelling or did you travel ? | 06:36 |
| B[m]2 | <IronY "How are you feeling?"> Sore throat, slight fever dry cough. | 06:36 |
| HeXiLeD | B[m]2: okay well... looks like you got it. | 06:37 |
| B[m]2 | <HeXiLeD "B: have you been in contact with"> No | 06:37 |
| HeXiLeD | it is good that irc is not 4D | 06:37 |
| mandiblegrip | yuriwho: Can you provide greater certainty around beneficial supplements to take? Also, should vegans/vegetarians eat meat or something to ensure superior nutrition? | 06:38 |
| IronY | It is not even 3d ;p | 06:38 |
| HeXiLeD | oh the IronY ;) | 06:38 |
| mandiblegrip | yuriwho: I'm doing vitamin D (have done forever), and doing vitamin C even though it probably does nothing. | 06:38 |
| yuriwho | take a multivitamin, and some vit c,D | 06:39 |
| truths33k3r[m] | mushroom complex guys | 06:39 |
| yuriwho | otherwise, have a good diet and find ways to relieve stress | 06:39 |
| IronY | yuriwho: the whole point of a multi vit is that it has a daily dose of vit c / d no? | 06:39 |
| truths33k3r[m] | studies show it boosted NK and T cells | 06:40 |
| yuriwho | IronY: it also has minerals and other stuff you need for a healthy diet | 06:40 |
| IronY | yuriwho: no no I know | 06:40 |
| IronY | but like my multi vit has c + d at a daily dose | 06:40 |
| IronY | would it make sense to take that + additional c + d | 06:40 |
| HeXiLeD | truths33k3r[m]: are you trying to hint to a 'magic' mushroom solution ;) ? | 06:40 |
| IronY | i feel like any more vit c and d in my system is going to result in colorful pee | 06:41 |
| truths33k3r[m] | haha nah but hey try it. | 06:41 |
| HeXiLeD | B[m]2: let us know when you confirm, if you got it. | 06:41 |
| yuriwho | then thats fine a little extra C never hurts (don't megadose) and I take extra D because I get little sunlight | 06:42 |
| HeXiLeD | your description does point to it. | 06:42 |
| B[m]2 | <HeXiLeD "B: let us know when you confirm,"> I will but first I need to make appointment... should I just turn up tomorrow? I donβt want to wait! | 06:42 |
| mandiblegrip | yuriwho: Cheers :) | 06:42 |
| IronY | yuriwho: my grow light gives off vit d3 | 06:42 |
| IronY | should I consider putting it above my deskm | 06:42 |
| HeXiLeD | B[m]2: dont know man. not a doctor. Also depends if they can test you or not. | 06:42 |
| HeXiLeD | hows .nz for resources? | 06:43 |
| yuriwho | I would not IronY | 06:43 |
| HeXiLeD | B[m]2: and your health, smoke? etc | 06:43 |
| IronY | yuriwho: noted, particular reason if you do not mind further elaborating? | 06:43 |
| yuriwho | I have no idea what it's spectral frequency output ranges are in the UV | 06:44 |
| ryouma | the antibodies would be the same thing as normal immunoglobulin therapy? ivig and scig? or are they filtered so taht they are specific to covid-19? if it is the former, that is already highly scarce -- it takes 10,000 donors. and they keep trying to market it to new markets. | 06:46 |
| yuriwho | well, I need to sleep. Taking my son and 3 of his buddies to my cottage for the week in the morning | 06:47 |
| IronY | yuriwho: have fun with that, good luck! | 06:47 |
| yuriwho | ryouma: they are specific to covid | 06:47 |
| HeXiLeD | careful... cabin fever | 06:47 |
| ryouma | yuriwho: what is the process? | 06:47 |
| IronY | HeXiLeD: cabin fever is not inclusive to cabins, but If i had to have it, i guess I would want to be in a cabin lol | 06:48 |
| HeXiLeD | eheh | 06:48 |
| yuriwho | read this ryouma https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/09/covid-19-biologic-therapies-reviewed | 06:48 |
| yuriwho | the timelines will be accelerated because it looks like a lot of safety testing will be skipped | 06:51 |
| HeXiLeD | tests will be in production | 06:51 |
| yuriwho | testing is in mass production right now | 06:52 |
| HeXiLeD | using humans instead of animals. I am sure PETA people will be okay with that | 06:52 |
| yuriwho | heh | 06:52 |
| IronY | I would assume humans that have a 0% chance of life will be the ones in the beta test | 06:52 |
| yuriwho | human guinea pigs | 06:52 |
| HeXiLeD | IronY: probably. | 06:52 |
| yuriwho | proper trials need testing at early stages of symptoms on healthy patients | 06:53 |
| yuriwho | for therapeutics | 06:53 |
| yuriwho | vaccines can be tested in high risk groups | 06:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 06:54 |
| HeXiLeD | yuriwho: anyone in your area infected ? | 06:54 |
| IronY | In before anti-vaxers line up to beta test covid vaccine | 06:54 |
| yuriwho | yes, I live in the Toronto burbs | 06:54 |
| IronY | pick****? | 06:55 |
| HeXiLeD | IronY: ah yes... anti-vaxers now have a chance to prove that they really are dedicated to their cause | 06:55 |
| yuriwho | other side IronY | 06:55 |
| twomoon | what's the best job to go for right now ? | 06:55 |
| twomoon | sorry offtopic | 06:56 |
| HeXiLeD | train operator | 06:56 |
| yuriwho | food delivery drivers will be in high demand | 06:56 |
| IronY | Ones that require you to stay in the house ;) | 06:56 |
| HeXiLeD | security guard | 06:56 |
| balaa[m] | casket mfg | 06:56 |
| IronY | I am a programmer, I think I am going to start learning VR programming tomorrow | 06:56 |
| HeXiLeD | or if money is what you are looking for, funeral director | 06:56 |
| IronY | HeXiLeD: cremations bro | 06:56 |
| IronY | funerals are illegal already in some countries | 06:56 |
| HeXiLeD | also | 06:56 |
| HeXiLeD | you mean burials. | 06:57 |
| truths33k3r[m] | how will this work if the virus is ADE. | 06:57 |
| HeXiLeD | i said funerals | 06:57 |
| IronY | HeXiLeD: yes, meetings of people over 25-50 | 06:57 |
| ryouma | just as a little comment, and not an invitation to a debate, because i am not competent to have a debate, i think there is not a single blob of those who oppose vaccines, but rhather a diverse set of opinions. | 06:57 |
| IronY | I mean services | 06:57 |
| ryouma | (some are nutjobs. some are merely pointing out that some immune-related diseases are problematic for vaccines, for example (e.g. in hiv/aids you ahve to increase antiretrovirals, while in others the results are unknown or there is enough grey literature evidence for caution in those who have poorly-understood diseases).) | 06:58 |
| yuriwho | truths33k3r[m]: it's the antibody therapies that cause ADE, thats why new vaccines typically take 10 years to develop for the full safety studies | 06:58 |
| ryouma | ade? | 06:58 |
| ryouma | adverse drug something? | 06:58 |
| yuriwho | The isolate-from-plasma route has the advantage of being polyclonal (a mixture of antibodies to several different features of the viral proteome), but that has a potential disadvantage as well, as pointed out here. βAntibody-dependent enhancementβ is a concern for this sort of therapy and for vaccines as well β in general, the antibodies developed against one virus can actually make later infections with later | 06:59 |
| yuriwho | viruses even worse. If the antibodies bind to the new viral proteins but do not actually neutralize them, they can enhance cellular uptake of them, which is exactly what you donβt want. | 06:59 |
| ryouma | yuriwho: thanks for link | 07:00 |
| yuriwho | the vaccines can cause this too but that should be screened before mass deployment | 07:01 |
| yuriwho | thats why Fauci keeps saying 12-18 months for a vaccine\ | 07:01 |
| yuriwho | we know so little about the human immune response to this virus. There will be a ton of research in this area. | 07:03 |
| HeXiLeD | desperation may lead some people to be test subjects before time | 07:03 |
| yuriwho | ^ | 07:03 |
| yuriwho | standard medical ethics will be thrown out the window | 07:04 |
| HeXiLeD | yup | 07:04 |
| HeXiLeD | human nature | 07:04 |
| truths33k3r[m] | well the problem is with ade | 07:04 |
| truths33k3r[m] | is that the sars1 vaccines proved that its ade already. unless this one isnt, but its pretty much sars2 | 07:04 |
| yuriwho | once we get a monoclonal antibody that neutralizes the virus that will likely be the front line therapy until a vaccine is judged to be safe | 07:06 |
| yuriwho | too many unknowns at the moment to say a lot with confidence. We will learn a lot of new virology/immunology for this virus over the next 6 months | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:01 UTC: (news): New York City and Los Angeles close bars, limit restaurants to takeout and delivery to stem coronavirus spread β https://is.gd/76xTOQ | 07:08 |
| yuriwho | anyway, off to bed | 07:08 |
| mandiblegrip | yuriwho: Thank you! | 07:08 |
| HeXiLeD | https://github.com/panophan/Worldometers-COVID-19-Telegram-Alert | 07:13 |
| pwr22 | Just read that there'll be a home test for Coronavirus in the weeks | 07:14 |
| pwr22 | Night | 07:16 |
| HeXiLeD | url? | 07:16 |
| TraderOne[m] | Folding@Home activated covid disease project. | 07:18 |
| TraderOne[m] | work units are pretty fast, you do not need to have GPU to contribute. | 07:19 |
| pwr22 | Rapid Covid-19 self-testing kit set for UK release β Channel 4 News https://www.channel4.com/news/rapid-covid-19-self-testing-kit-set-for-uk-release | 07:21 |
| pwr22 | Unsure how legit that is | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +109 cases (now 171228) πΈ Australia: +37 cases (now 337) πΈ Brazil: +3 cases (now 203) πΈ Colombia: +11 cases (now 45) πΈ Honduras: +3 cases (now 6) πΈ Mexico: +10 cases (now 53) πΈ Pakistan: +41 cases (now 94) πΈ Trinidad and Tobago: +2 cases (now 4) πΈ Uzbekistan: +2 cases (now 6) | 07:23 |
| sneep | TraderOne[m]: Folding on 7 cores (some aren't real cores) | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 06:27 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Japanese man tests positive for coronavirus again | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News β https://is.gd/V4iwWB | 07:36 |
| kreyren | Czech added more data to their tracking of covid-19 https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/cdc3a3cc-f1a6-4536-b0ef-c83efdb870c4/page/xpXIB | 07:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:29 UTC: European markets set to plunge as regional coronavirus shutdown widens: European markets are expected to open sharply lower Monday as the region largely goes into shutdown mode to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus. β https://is.gd/lxuJ1a | 07:49 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +151 cases (now 171379), +2 deaths (now 6545) πΆ Spain: +143 cases (now 7988), +2 deaths (now 294) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Australia: +37 cases (now 337) πΈ Brazil: +3 cases (now 203) πΈ Colombia: +11 cases (now 45) πΈ Honduras: +3 cases (now 6) πΈ Jordan: +3 cases (now 15) πΈ Mexico: +10 cases (now 53) πΈ Pakistan: +41 cases (now 94) πΈ Trinidad and Tobago: +2 cases (now 4) πΈ Uzbekis | 07:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 08:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:08 UTC: Federal Reserve cuts interest rates to near zero in attempt to prop up US economy: Move is part of coordinated effort with European Central Bank and others to see off potential economic crisis due to coronavirus β https://is.gd/sD8kSz | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: 'Not for sale': anger in Germany at report Donald Trump seeking exclusive coronavirus vaccine deal β https://is.gd/Mw5264 | 08:31 |
| sneep | Anger at probable fake news | 08:39 |
| ryouma | to what degree do oxygen concentrators and cpap/apap/bipap machines (or a combination of the two) serve as substitutes for the scarce icu ventilators? | 08:43 |
| ryouma | (or oxygen bottles of course) | 08:43 |
| ryouma | kreyren: you're saying the independent printed fake news? | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 08:45 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +127 cases (now 171506), +4 deaths (now 6549) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375), +1 deaths (now 6) πΈ Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 25) πΈ Bangladesh: +3 cases (now 8) πΈ Brazil: +3 cases (now 203) πΈ Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 52) πΈ Colombia: +11 cases (now 45) πΈ Croatia: +1 cases (now 50) πΈ Czechia: +5 cases (now 298) πΈ Denmark: +1 deaths (now 3) πΈ Guadeloupe: +1 cas | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:10 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: government prepares second stimulus package as 37 more cases diagnosed in NSW β updates: Queensland senator Susan McDonald has tested positive for Covid-19; the 2020 AFL season will last only 17 rounds; and NSW health minister warns of an βexponentialβ rise in cases. Follow all the [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 09:13 |
| sneep | ryouma: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22573647 only thing i remember reading about that idea | 09:16 |
| sneep | %title | 09:16 |
| Brainstorm | sneep: From news.ycombinator.com: Any thoughts about using a regular sleep apnea CPAP device for this type of situ... | Hacker News | 09:16 |
| sneep | I don't understand the top answer but it looks competent :p | 09:17 |
| sneep | https://foldingathome.org/2020/03/15/coronavirus-what-were-doing-and-how-you-can-help-in-simple-terms/ News update from foldingathome | 09:19 |
| ryouma | this is a human race thing. it would be good if those who continue to act as if they can keep pushing their agendas would understand that. | 09:21 |
| ryouma | (unrelated to prev messags) | 09:22 |
| ryouma | thanks for the link | 09:22 |
| BravoEchoNovembe | Who's Admin of the bot? π | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +145 cases (now 171651), +1 deaths (now 6550), +1 recoveries (now 77779) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375), +1 deaths (now 6) πΈ Austria: +99 cases (now 959) πΈ Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 25) πΈ Bahrain: +7 cases (now 221), +1 deaths (now 1) πΈ Bangladesh: +3 cases (now 8) πΈ Brazil: +3 cases (now 203) πΈ Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 52) πΈ Colombia: +11 cases (now 45) πΈ Cr | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:31 UTC: (news): European shares slide 8% and airline stocks tank as regional coronavirus shutdown widens β https://is.gd/lxuJ1a | 09:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 10:08 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | COVID-19 imunity? i.e. what the likelyhood of mutation / re-infection? | 10:20 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Does anyone have any good dat on the prospects of SARS-2 imunity? i.e. what the likelyhood of mutation / re-infection? | 10:22 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | (Covid-19) | 10:22 |
| HeXiLeD | https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200315_13/ | 10:22 |
| HeXiLeD | check that | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:17 UTC: (news): These retailers are closing stores to slow coronavirus outbreak β https://is.gd/5KqS67 | 10:22 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Thanks .. | 10:24 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection-get-covid-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html | 10:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:30 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: government prepares second stimulus package as 37 more cases diagnosed in NSW β updates: Queensland senator Susan McDonald has tested positive for Covid-19; the 2020 AFL season will last only 17 rounds; and NSW health minister warns of an βexponentialβ rise in cases. Follow all the [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 10:36 |
| MephMaybe | I'm spending mine on a guitar. | 10:40 |
| MephMaybe | Fucking yeet | 10:41 |
| Zalyssa | lol | 10:42 |
| Biep[m] | <dividediff[m] "Like ive heard hiv may have been"> There is a theory with low but non-negligeable probability that it came from breeding vaccins in monkeys or apes. Forgot the details, but that breeding happened in fact. | 10:43 |
| MephMaybe | Self isolation will be sweet with my new guitar | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +184 cases (now 171835), +1 deaths (now 6551), +5 recoveries (now 77784) πΆ Malaysia: +125 cases (now 553) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Armenia: +2 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375), +1 deaths (now 6) πΈ Austria: +99 cases (now 959), +1 deaths (now 2) πΈ Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 25) πΈ Bahrain: +7 cases (now 221), +1 deaths (now 1) πΈ Bangladesh: +3 cases (n | 10:45 |
| HeXiLeD | 184? where is this data comming from ? | 10:48 |
| sneep | https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-51879695/coronavirus-why-we-touch-our-faces-and-how-to-stop-it | 10:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 11:00 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Germany | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +459 cases (now 172294) πΆ Germany: +402 cases (now 6215) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Armenia: +2 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375), +1 deaths (now 6) πΈ Austria: +99 cases (now 959), +1 deaths (now 2) πΈ Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 25) πΈ Bahrain: +7 cases (now 221), +1 deaths (now 1) πΈ Bangladesh: +3 cases (now 8) πΈ Belarus: +9 cases (now 36) πΈ Bolivi | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 6215 cases, 13 deaths (0.2% of cases), 46 recoveries as of March 16, 09:59Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 11:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:56 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: government prepares second stimulus package as 37 more cases diagnosed in NSW β updates: Queensland senator Susan McDonald has tested positive for Covid-19; the 2020 AFL season will last only 17 rounds; and NSW health minister warns of an βexponentialβ rise in cases. Follow all the [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 11:08 |
| corecode_ | lol stimulus package | 11:13 |
| sneep | https://www.facebook.com/NewportPolice/photos/a.10150611383469944/10151320061939944/?type=3 "Itβs hard to believe that we even have to post this. Do not call 9-1-1 just because you ran out of toilet paper. You will survive without our assistance." | 11:17 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 11:18 |
| mefistofeles | USA right | 11:18 |
| Zalyssa | where else? | 11:20 |
| MephMaybe | murica | 11:23 |
| MephMaybe | Also in australia, Western Australia minister announced that all households charges (being elec, water, and vehicle reg) will be frozen as a economic relief effort. | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +182 cases (now 172476) πΆ Belgium: +172 cases (now 1058), +1 deaths (now 5) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Armenia: +2 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375) πΈ Austria: +99 cases (now 959), +1 deaths (now 2) πΈ Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 25) πΈ Bahrain: +7 cases (now 221), +1 deaths (now 1) πΈ Bangladesh: +3 cases (now 8) πΈ Belarus: +9 cases (now 36) πΈ Bolivi | 11:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:35 UTC: Politics: Rail firms could be allowed to run fewer trains because of coronavirus, Shapps suggests - Politics live β https://is.gd/IU1DYb | 11:39 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ Austria: +158 cases (now 1018), +1 deaths (now 2) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Armenia: +2 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375) πΈ Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 25) πΈ Bahrain: +7 cases (now 221), +1 deaths (now 1) πΈ Bangladesh: +3 cases (now 8), +1 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Belarus: +9 cases (now 36) πΈ Indonesia: +17 cases (now 134) πΈ Norway: +1 cases (now 1263) πΈ World | 11:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Downing Street to give daily TV briefings on outbreak β https://is.gd/JYSp0X | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:48 UTC: Coronavirus and sport β a list of the major cancellations: From major club and international football to the golf and tennis tours, Covid-19 has decimated the sporting calendar. Here is an updating list of what has been affected so far β https://is.gd/MBlvE7 | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +782 cases (now 173335) πΆ Spain: +756 cases (now 8744) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Armenia: +2 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375) πΈ Faeroe Islands: +7 cases (now 18) πΈ Finland: +3 cases (now 269) πΈ Luxembourg: +4 cases (now 81) πΈ Norway: +3 cases (now 1266) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:03 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: government prepares second stimulus package as 37 more cases diagnosed in NSW β updates: Queensland senator Susan McDonald has tested positive for Covid-19; the 2020 AFL season will last only 17 rounds; and NSW health minister warns of an βexponentialβ rise in cases. Follow all the [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 12:18 |
| python476 | o/ | 12:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:19 UTC: Politics: Rail firms could be allowed to run fewer trains because of coronavirus, Shapps suggests - Politics live β https://is.gd/IU1DYb | 12:26 |
| dTal | That could backfire | 12:28 |
| dTal | fewer trains = more crowded trains | 12:28 |
| python476 | whats up for you people ? | 12:29 |
| python476 | in my tiny paris spot things seem ok | 12:30 |
| python476 | I just read about italy, it's not pretty | 12:30 |
| JoeLlama | eep | 12:30 |
| JoeLlama | sicky poo :( | 12:30 |
| JoeLlama | well not me yet :) | 12:30 |
| JoeLlama | but lots of others :( | 12:31 |
| JoeLlama | blah :Γ | 12:31 |
| corecode | france still open? | 12:32 |
| JoeLlama | freakin' store shelves at trader joes were nuts and mostly empty | 12:33 |
| GeDaMo | Did you buy the nuts? :| | 12:33 |
| JoeLlama | I was not able to buy a can of fish there. all gone | 12:33 |
| JoeLlama | heh | 12:33 |
| corecode | i still don't quite get why people are buying that much | 12:33 |
| GeDaMo | Because other people are doing it | 12:34 |
| corecode | they cannot possibly buy enough for 4 months | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 11:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Downing Street to give daily TV briefings on outbreak β https://is.gd/JYSp0X | 12:34 |
| corecode | GeDaMo: that makes sense | 12:35 |
| corecode | some odd emergent phenomenon | 12:35 |
| python476 | corecode: /r/france says there might be a new president announcement tonight | 12:35 |
| python476 | but the laws about most shops closed have been enacted | 12:36 |
| python476 | GeDaMo: I think it's a selfish reptilian reflex before social | 12:37 |
| python476 | panicky illogical but you end up doing it | 12:37 |
| python476 | I went to the mall few days ago. I spent time walking there, I had no real clear reason to do so. I even took a fast food menu (first in 5 years) | 12:38 |
| GeDaMo | I still have most of my Brexit stash | 12:39 |
| python476 | oh you had that much headstart | 12:39 |
| GeDaMo | :P | 12:40 |
| python476 | cheaters. | 12:40 |
| python476 | i wish I had 1) a list of the longest storable food 2) a lot of chemicals (or yeasts even) | 12:41 |
| python476 | and 3) a few more tools and solar panels | 12:41 |
| python476 | #offgrid-ready | 12:41 |
| GeDaMo | I have flour and yeast for making bread | 12:41 |
| python476 | yeast for alcohol ! | 12:41 |
| python476 | [news] MS Teams suffered a bit but is said to be online | 12:41 |
| corecode | whey protein, coconut oil, frozen bacon | 12:41 |
| python476 | remote work is only good if there are servers to work through | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:32 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: government prepares second stimulus package as 37 more cases diagnosed in NSW β updates: Queensland senator Susan McDonald has tested positive for Covid-19; the 2020 AFL season will last only 17 rounds; and NSW health minister warns of an βexponentialβ rise in cases. Follow all the [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/2cyWKg | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +1141 cases (now 174476), +137 deaths (now 6688), +2 recoveries (now 77787) πΆ Iran: +1053 cases (now 14991), +129 deaths (now 853) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Armenia: +2 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +75 cases (now 375) πΈ Austria: +2 recoveries (now 8) πΈ Brunei: +4 cases (now 54) πΈ Faeroe Islands: +7 cases (now 18) πΈ Finland: +3 cas | 12:47 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: https://pennchime.herokuapp.com/ | 12:51 |
| corecode | lol doubling time 6 days | 12:52 |
| corecode | what are they talking about | 12:52 |
| JulHer[m] | %data Spain | 12:52 |
| Brainstorm | JulHer[m]: In all areas, Spain, there are 8794 cases, 297 deaths (3.4% of cases), 517 recoveries as of March 16, 11:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 12:52 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: http://predictivehealthcare.pennmedicine.org/2020/03/14/accouncing-chime.html | 12:52 |
| corecode | i think they're still taking positive tests | 12:53 |
| mefistofeles | yes, theys hould | 12:53 |
| mefistofeles | *should | 12:53 |
| corecode | why are deaths doubling every 2 days if the infection doubles every 6 days? | 12:53 |
| corecode | doesn't make sense to me | 12:54 |
| mefistofeles | this will even out with time | 12:54 |
| corecode | can you explain the mechanism? | 12:54 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: well, first, can you point to the data that shows your claim? | 12:55 |
| corecode | sure | 12:55 |
| corecode | there was an aggregating site in here | 12:55 |
| corecode | https://offloop.net/covid19/ select log scale, pick some countries, look at the slope of deaths (before measures are taken) | 12:59 |
| corecode | they're all around 2x per 2 days | 12:59 |
| corecode | https://imgur.com/oMSfh4D.png | 12:59 |
| corecode | if you compare to "confirmed infections", the death slope is steeper | 13:00 |
| corecode | i explain that by "fewer people are being tested positive than are being infected" | 13:00 |
| corecode | but i'd love to hear why i'm wrong | 13:01 |
| mefistofeles | yes, only worse cases are tested | 13:01 |
| mefistofeles | we have beens aying that for weeks now | 13:01 |
| corecode | yes | 13:01 |
| corecode | do we agree? | 13:01 |
| corecode | i'm confused now | 13:01 |
| mefistofeles | yes | 13:01 |
| corecode | oh are you saying that it doesn't matter if they use positive tests, because it just discounts people who are super mildly infected | 13:02 |
| mefistofeles | no... but, I don't see why doubling time of death should be the same to doubling time of cases, specially in this first part of the spread | 13:03 |
| corecode | ah | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to limit restaurants and bars to take-out and delivery, movie theaters to shut β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 13:03 |
| corecode | well my intuition is that infection has to progress at or at a higher rate than deaths | 13:04 |
| Timvde | If x% dies and the infection rate is exponential, the death rate will also be similarly exponential | 13:04 |
| corecode | if not, then deaths would be limited by infection doubling time, which would make it match this rate | 13:04 |
| corecode | of course, this is discounting stochastic effects when a nursing home gets infected, etc. | 13:05 |
| mefistofeles | Timvde: that only after sufficient amount of time | 13:05 |
| Timvde | Deaths could be steeper if health care can't keep up | 13:05 |
| mefistofeles | the infection rate is really high at first, and death rate low (incubation time, etc.) | 13:05 |
| corecode | yes, as soon as health care is overloaded, deaths might be steeper | 13:05 |
| corecode | for a while, i guess | 13:05 |
| mefistofeles | and then things get changed, since measurements are taken for infection, but nothing much can be done for deaths | 13:06 |
| corecode | then match again | 13:06 |
| mefistofeles | that is, you can stop infection but that won't stop already infected from dying | 13:06 |
| corecode | yes, death rate lags relative to spread rate | 13:06 |
| corecode | so measures only are visible after 7-20 days | 13:06 |
| corecode | what i am saying is that we see a death doubling time of about 2 days | 13:07 |
| corecode | which translates to approx 100x per week | 13:07 |
| corecode | we don't see that rate in positive tests | 13:07 |
| corecode | if people are using positive test doubling rates to size capacity and gauge time they have for measures | 13:08 |
| corecode | they'll be in deep trouble | 13:08 |
| mefistofeles | why? | 13:08 |
| corecode | because they might think it doubles every 6 days, but it does every 2 days | 13:08 |
| mefistofeles | the death rate is a consequence of that one, just lagging and having some other complications about age group | 13:08 |
| corecode | so delaying measures by 2 days has a huge numerical impact | 13:08 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: no, what's important here is how many patients you expect to have in your hospitals/ICUs, not how many of them die, tbh | 13:09 |
| corecode | yes, how many will you get is drastically different between 6 days doubling time and 2 days doubling time | 13:09 |
| corecode | or what am i missing? | 13:10 |
| mefistofeles | patients come from infections, not deaths | 13:10 |
| corecode | yes | 13:10 |
| mefistofeles | so you use the infected rate | 13:10 |
| mefistofeles | which is 5 days or whatever | 13:10 |
| corecode | but you don't know the infected rate | 13:10 |
| corecode | you only know the tested positive rate | 13:10 |
| mefistofeles | still, it is the best estimate | 13:10 |
| corecode | is it? | 13:10 |
| corecode | okay | 13:10 |
| mefistofeles | sure | 13:10 |
| mefistofeles | since we know from the tested around 10% need ICUs, etc. | 13:11 |
| python476 | hadnt thought about it but people being stuck together can cause violence | 13:11 |
| corecode | can you sketch a model that can explain doubling of deaths at a 2 day timeframe, but doubling of infected at a 6 day timeframe? | 13:11 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: not easily, since death rate need age and previous conditions information | 13:12 |
| corecode | yes | 13:12 |
| corecode | say old people are uniformly distributed | 13:13 |
| corecode | then you'd expect them to be infected at the same rate as everybody else? | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:11 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Germany seals off borders; Spain's number of cases jumps almost 1,000: Germany is the latest European country to seal off its borders in an effort to contain the coronavirus outbreak, as the number of deaths in Europe jumped overnight. β https://is.gd/mmZZ0I | 13:15 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +5456 cases (now 174597), +178 deaths (now 6689), +531 recoveries (now 77787) πΆ US: +238 cases (now 3802), +2 deaths (now 69), +61 recoveries (now 73) πΆ Spain: +950 cases (now 8794), +5 deaths (now 297) πΆ Malaysia: +138 cases (now 566) πΆ Korea, South: +74 cases (now 8236), +303 recoveries (now 1137) πΆ Iran: +1053 cases (now 14991), +129 deaths (now 853) πΆ Germany: +435 cases (now 6248) | 13:23 |
| skullomania | wow 178 deaths just today? | 13:23 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: ok, I think I see what you mean, but I would just think it's because the lag time between confirmed cases and deaths | 13:26 |
| mefistofeles | in that sense, still, what the hospitals do care about is how will they be flooding with cases, not deaths | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus updates: death toll passes 6,500 as global infections outstrip China cases - live news β https://is.gd/qp8cGw | 13:29 |
| mefistofeles | skullomania: deaths per day are rounding the 1000 already, I'd say... in the whole world | 13:31 |
| python476 | strange, news of newborns being tested | 13:32 |
| mefistofeles | well, probably bit less, like 800 or so | 13:32 |
| python476 | its almost as if I forgot the world keeps turning.. babies are born | 13:32 |
| Poon_ | %data sweden | 13:35 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: In all areas, Sweden, there are 1046 cases, 6 deaths (0.6% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 16, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 13:35 |
| Poon_ | %data hungary | 13:35 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: In all areas, Hungary, there are 39 cases, 1 deaths (2.6% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 16, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hungary for time series data. | 13:35 |
| Poon_ | %data vietnam | 13:35 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 59 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of March 16, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 13:35 |
| skullomania | mefistofeles this is incredibly scary, young healthy people are dying not just the elderly | 13:41 |
| skullomania | and to think this is all because of filthy eating habits and culture | 13:41 |
| skullomania | you have bats stacked up on top of chickens who are stacked up on top of swine all defecating on each other, what do you think is going to happen when you eat those animals | 13:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US retail closures could surge, Roche has over 400 tests on the way β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 13:43 |
| RougeR | Hey | 13:44 |
| RougeR | Well...I'm in the main town in jersey | 13:44 |
| RougeR | It's surreal. The sun is shining, it's a beautiful day. The shelves in smaller shops are FULL | 13:45 |
| RougeR | People are in cafes and bars, going to work | 13:45 |
| skullomania | the us is going to turn into italy in very few weeks\ | 13:45 |
| RougeR | This place needs to close borders.. we could escape the storm | 13:45 |
| skullomania | people still think this is no matter of concern and they can go on their daily lives | 13:45 |
| python476 | RougeR: Most countries did the same.. | 13:45 |
| python476 | if we believe stats, only chian, hk etc did the right thing well enough | 13:46 |
| jiffe | looks like there's a vaccine going into trials today | 13:47 |
| RougeR | python476: I mean | 13:48 |
| RougeR | Compared to mainland UK or France. | 13:48 |
| python476 | yeah | 13:48 |
| RougeR | This place is...normal | 13:48 |
| RougeR | It's surreal | 13:48 |
| skullomania | a lot of neighborhoods are getting infected in nyc | 13:49 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | Is anybody here in Canada | 13:53 |
| yuriwho | I am | 13:53 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | Iβm In Ontario | 13:54 |
| yuriwho | same, West GTA here | 13:54 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | Are people still going out there ? | 13:55 |
| skullomania | in montreal the streets are empty | 13:55 |
| yuriwho | it was quiet yesterday besides grocery stores | 13:55 |
| skullomania | only cars, public transit is empty too | 13:55 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | Damn | 13:55 |
| skullomania | feels like a winter sunday | 13:55 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | What about people walking | 13:55 |
| skullomania | very few | 13:55 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | Stores busy ? | 13:56 |
| skullomania | grocery stores yes but not panic | 13:56 |
| yuriwho | saw a lot of people walking yesterday but keeping their distance from others | 13:56 |
| yuriwho | I just woke up, driving up to my cottage today | 13:57 |
| skullomania | thats how it should be | 13:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 12:51 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Michigan shuts down all bars and restaurants β https://is.gd/4SJDVL | 13:57 |
| skullomania | make sure you wipe your car from inside with alcohol | 13:57 |
| skullomania | the steering wheel and whatever you touch regularly | 13:57 |
| yuriwho | don't worry I am one of the resident scientists in this channel | 13:58 |
| yuriwho | very familiar with aseptic technique | 13:59 |
| python476 | skullomania: are there distance stickers ? | 14:04 |
| skullomania | python476 whats a distance sticker? | 14:06 |
| skullomania | you mean like not getting close to other people? | 14:06 |
| python476 | yeah | 14:07 |
| python476 | china and other countries placed many in stores | 14:07 |
| python476 | to help people a bit | 14:07 |
| skullomania | yes people are avoiding gatherings but i still see people in groups | 14:08 |
| skullomania | not everyone seems to understand the gravity of the situation | 14:08 |
| skullomania | healthy and young people are dying | 14:08 |
| corecode | is that worse than old and frail people dying? | 14:08 |
| skullomania | it isn't but what they told us about having a strong immune system may not be totally accurate | 14:09 |
| python476 | yeah it's more random than planned | 14:09 |
| yuriwho | 20-29 years are the primary carriers and very few die, but some have different immune reactions and can get very sick and die | 14:10 |
| corecode | do you have scientific studies and numbers on how young and healthy people are affected? | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus forces airlines to consider a once unthinkable possibility: A halt to US flights β https://is.gd/IZ0h1r | 14:11 |
| yuriwho | yes, 0.2% for 15-40 die | 14:11 |
| yuriwho | https://twitter.com/markwby/status/1238867143363567616 | 14:11 |
| python476 | ohh now would be such a great time to DDoS my upstairs neighbors ISP router | 14:12 |
| yuriwho | that shows people infected by age range in South Korea which has the best data | 14:12 |
| python476 | ._. | 14:12 |
| corecode | where is the cfr? | 14:12 |
| yuriwho | I'm getting to it | 14:12 |
| skullomania | corecode in china, most people who fell victim to this disease were the eldery with already pre-existing conditions..chinese younger people typically don't have high blood pressure, diabetes or heart problems..in the west it's completely different especially in the US | 14:12 |
| sneep | corecode: BTW this is very googleable | 14:13 |
| skullomania | where a lot of 30/40 year olds live with diabetes, obesity and such | 14:13 |
| yuriwho | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ | 14:13 |
| corecode | sneep: yea but if somebody makes a statement here, they should also serve up the source | 14:13 |
| skullomania | we're still going to lose a lot of people unfortunately | 14:14 |
| yuriwho | underlying FYI, I am an op in the channel and I have a PhD in Chemical Biology and work in Biotech/Diagnostics | 14:14 |
| sneep | Nice | 14:14 |
| skullomania | yuriwho so is covid19 here to stay forever? is this something we're going to have to learn to live with? | 14:15 |
| yuriwho | underlying health conditions change the risk dramatically | 14:15 |
| yuriwho | endemic until a vaccine is made | 14:15 |
| yuriwho | IMO | 14:15 |
| skullomania | what if we can't find a vaccine | 14:15 |
| corecode | yea | 14:15 |
| corecode | then it just stays | 14:16 |
| skullomania | we haven't been able to cure the flu | 14:16 |
| corecode | almost everybody will get it at some point | 14:16 |
| corecode | and that's it | 14:16 |
| corecode | keeps circulating | 14:16 |
| yuriwho | read this for info on treatments and vaccines: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/09/covid-19-biologic-therapies-reviewed | 14:16 |
| mefistofeles | yes, we have linked that one here | 14:17 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: btw, thanks for the info | 14:17 |
| yuriwho | mefistofeles: lots of people new here every day | 14:17 |
| sneep | skullomania: Well we do have flu vaccines. They aren't infallible though | 14:17 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: for sure | 14:17 |
| skullomania | sneep they just help us cope with the virus not cure it | 14:18 |
| yuriwho | truth is, we don't know about the immunology with this virus yet | 14:18 |
| yuriwho | research on that is full steam ahead | 14:18 |
| sneep | skullomania: Cures are for people who are sick, vaccines are things you do to not get sick in the first place | 14:19 |
| skullomania | a vaccine needs to have a small amount of the virus itself to my understanding, who would be willing to be infected with covid19 if a vaccine is indeed engineered?? | 14:19 |
| yuriwho | yes | 14:19 |
| corecode | somebody who is healthy and wants to help | 14:19 |
| corecode | and wants the moneys | 14:19 |
| yuriwho | not virus persay | 14:19 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | I would do it | 14:19 |
| sneep | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#Types If you are interested in different vaccine types | 14:19 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | For free just to help everybody | 14:19 |
| skullomania | i think theyre offering 50k | 14:20 |
| skullomania | to be a guinea pig | 14:20 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | I would do it for free to help the world | 14:20 |
| corecode | yuriwho: do you think an antibody test would take longer to develop or less time? | 14:20 |
| yuriwho | but vaccines must have viral proteins or produce them in the body | 14:20 |
| yuriwho | antibody test is coming soon, it takes a little time to mass produce the monoclonal antibodies | 14:21 |
| sneep | 22:20 < skullomania> i think theyre offering 50k <-- for covid? | 14:21 |
| sneep | or in general | 14:21 |
| skullomania | yeah i've read somewhere | 14:21 |
| skullomania | for covid | 14:21 |
| yuriwho | anyway, I'm out till around dinner time EST.... ttyl | 14:22 |
| sneep | doesn't sound like a bad deal for 31-year-old single guys like me :p | 14:22 |
| yuriwho | the younger adults spread the virus the most | 14:22 |
| sneep | i mean being a guinea pig | 14:23 |
| sneep | hopefully in a controlled environment | 14:23 |
| corecode | next to the ebola trial patients :) | 14:23 |
| sneep | D: | 14:23 |
| yuriwho | once recovered you are immune (for a period of time at least) | 14:23 |
| LR7816 | are you sure? | 14:24 |
| corecode | waiting for the antibody test | 14:24 |
| yuriwho | https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/people-shed-high-levels-of-coronavirus-study-finds-but-most-are-likely-not-infectious-after-recovery-begins/ | 14:24 |
| LR7816 | I've heard many people in wuhan had got the virus after recovering | 14:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus forces airlines to consider a once unthinkable possibility Γ’β¬β halting US flights β https://is.gd/IZ0h1r | 14:25 |
| yuriwho | ok, be back around 6pm EST | 14:25 |
| corecode | wash your hands yo | 14:26 |
| corecode | distance when paying | 14:27 |
| skullomania | it's scarier knowing there are people who are knowingly and willingly infecting others | 14:27 |
| jiffe | the vaccine I read about this morning wasn't supposed to have the virus in it, something about messenger RNA | 14:28 |
| corecode | yea | 14:29 |
| corecode | makes your cells produce fragments | 14:29 |
| jiffe | https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/first-clinical-human-trial-of-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-set-to-start-monday/ | 14:29 |
| sneep | Hmm, we could make a camera-based app that helps people stop touching their face | 14:30 |
| sneep | By buzzing whenever it thinks the user is touching their face | 14:30 |
| corecode | meh | 14:30 |
| corecode | just don't do it when you are touching other surfaces | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +1223 cases (now 175820), +24 deaths (now 6713), +32 recoveries (now 77819) πΆ Spain: +397 cases (now 9191), +12 deaths (now 309), +13 recoveries (now 530) πΆ Netherlands: +278 cases (now 1413), +4 deaths (now 24) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +3 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: | 14:31 |
| jiffe | just wear a face prophylactic | 14:32 |
| skullomania | isnt the virus tiny enough to go through them? | 14:32 |
| skullomania | contrarily to the regular flu | 14:32 |
| skullomania | even the n95 mask is useless to avoid infection | 14:33 |
| bin_bash | sneep: would be not-too-difficult to add to existing smart devices like apple watch and fitbit | 14:33 |
| bin_bash | in fact i think there is a work-in-progress | 14:33 |
| jiffe | I have a samsung watch for the gym but I don't wear it around, the battery doesn't even last through the night | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US retail closures could surge, Roche has over 400 tests on the way β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 14:39 |
| python476 | do you think walking in the forest is socially harmful ? | 14:40 |
| python476 | I really cant stay in my house much because my parents are too tense | 14:40 |
| python476 | or maybe staying in my car on the parking lot | 14:40 |
| jiffe | have any noise cancelling headphones? | 14:41 |
| python476 | jiffe: cant cancel when they storm in your room | 14:42 |
| python476 | I'm already wearing headphones most of the day | 14:42 |
| jiffe | sign on the door that says tension free zone? | 14:42 |
| python476 | as if they listen | 14:44 |
| Zalyssa | bear traps. | 14:45 |
| jiffe | that's what I would do, at least it would make a point | 14:45 |
| Zalyssa | they'll learn. | 14:45 |
| sneep | i can report them to the adult's council if you want | 14:47 |
| python476 | Zalyssa: electrostatic shockers on the handle | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Approvato il decreto con le misure di sostegno economico β https://is.gd/ehFesp | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 14:00 UTC: Gaming & Culture: Animal Crossing: New Horizons review: A quarantined life has never been cuter β https://is.gd/w0GMAG | 15:06 |
| mefistofeles | https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25728 this is not that new, but maybe with a more solid foundation that previous similar reports | 15:08 |
| jiffe | at the beginning of this there was fear that the antibodies being created were weak or didn't stick around long due to the rate of re-infection, is that still in question or was that a local phenomenon | 15:15 |
| python476 | so it's neuroelectrical failure rather than gas exchange tissue damage ? | 15:16 |
| python476 | damn I have a ping of 17 seconds | 15:16 |
| python476 | fun. | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:18 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ecco un riepilogo di cosa Γ¨ stato confermato β https://is.gd/czDJnu | 15:20 |
| python476 | I knew hoarding all libgen PDFs would prove useful one day ! | 15:22 |
| bin_bash | lol | 15:22 |
| bin_bash | python476: walking in the forest away from people should be fine | 15:23 |
| bin_bash | it's other people you need to worry about | 15:23 |
| python476 | bin_bash: I was also concerned about leaving potential traces if I'm infected without symptoms you know | 15:23 |
| python476 | but yeah the plan was to walk alone far from others | 15:24 |
| python476 | nothing like people sitting close in parks | 15:24 |
| bin_bash | python476: as long as you're not rubbing your hands all over stuff, it really should be ok. wash your hands thoroughly, bring hand sanitizer, have good hygiene | 15:24 |
| bin_bash | but frankly if you can get to the woods without being around others, then it sounds like a safe activity to me | 15:25 |
| mefistofeles | it should be safe enough, I'd think so as well | 15:25 |
| python476 | aight | 15:25 |
| bin_bash | the problem is if you live ina busy city or busy apartment/neighborhood | 15:25 |
| python476 | thanks a ton people | 15:25 |
| python476 | you have no idea how important this is :) | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ Germany: +364 cases (now 6612), +12 recoveries (now 58) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +3 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +78 cases (now 375), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Cayman Islands: +1 deaths (now 1) πΈ Channel I | 15:25 |
| bin_bash | and you cant get away without tocuhing lots of surfaces or coming into contact with people | 15:25 |
| bin_bash | but if you live in or near the woods, go for it! | 15:26 |
| bin_bash | i actually bought a set of wind chimes and a bird feeder so i could enjoy my little patio a bit more and get outdoors without being near people | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NY, NJ and Connecticut agree to restrict restaurants, limit events to less than 50 people β https://is.gd/ZvrV2h | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +2294 cases (now 176330), +30 deaths (now 6714), +356 recoveries (now 77821) πΆ Washington, US: +126 cases (now 769), +2 deaths (now 42) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +3 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +78 cases (now 375), + | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:38 UTC: /u/Isentrope: Graham Rapier su Twitter: "No plans for nixing public transit in New York, NJ, or Connecticut, Govs Cuomo, Murphy, and Lamont say on conference call. Ridership is βway down."" β https://is.gd/kPXGao | 15:48 |
| pwr22 | Afternoon everyone | 16:02 |
| pwr22 | How y'all doing? | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Workday to give employees cash bonuses, Germany seals off its borders β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 16:02 |
| Albright | I'm no patriot, but it raises my hackes when furriners (as well as many Americans) pretend like the US would not be having a Coronavirus problem if we had socialized medicine⦠ignoring the UK and Italy and, oh yeah, China where the socialized health care systems aren't stopping jack. | 16:02 |
| pwr22 | Yeah that's a somewhat silly view | 16:04 |
| pwr22 | Though China is one of the few countries that has contained the infection though the UK definitely has not | 16:04 |
| pwr22 | !cases china | 16:04 |
| pwr22 | If you trust those figures China is looking pretty good right now | 16:05 |
| pwr22 | And I hear that their production is beginning to get back up to speed | 16:05 |
| Albright | I have never trusted CCP numbers. | 16:05 |
| pwr22 | Which I'm not sure is for the best in terms of the environment tbh | 16:05 |
| pwr22 | I think that socialised medicine and the ability to enforce totalitarian controls aren't the same thing either | 16:06 |
| pwr22 | The latter is more about dictatorship than socialism | 16:06 |
| Zalyssa | socialised medicine is something the united states should have, but it isn't going to make a significant difference when it comes to this virus | 16:07 |
| exoteric | it could make people get tested who are reluctant due to being unsure what it will cost | 16:08 |
| Albright | Well⦠unfortunately all governments that try "socialism" don't get past the "dictatorship of the proletariat" phase. Turns out those proletariats get pretty comfy being dictators. | 16:08 |
| Zalyssa | ΧΧ± Χ°Χ² | 16:10 |
| Albright | And if there's any method in which socialized medicine can be done without leading to rationing, I'd like to see it. But all of its greatest advocates just hand wave that part of it away. | 16:10 |
| pwr22 | Heh, fair enough. Lets try to avoid going into an in depth political review here π€ | 16:11 |
| Albright | Ugh, okay. You're right Sorry | 16:11 |
| pwr22 | Np | 16:12 |
| BruntLIVE | #1 is for cardio, Coronadeath is just the beginning. | 16:12 |
| sneep | Hmm? | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NY, NJ, Connecticut coordinate restrictions on restaurants, limit events to fewer than 50 people β https://is.gd/ZvrV2h | 16:16 |
| BruntLIVE | i hope they are burning the deceased people | 16:16 |
| bin_bash | no, that would be a 1A violation. i think martial law would have to be declared | 16:18 |
| bin_bash | also it's not necessary at this juncture | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +108 cases (now 176904) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +3 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +1 cases (now 2) πΈ New South | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY tri-state area imposes new restrictions, Workday to give workers cash β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 16:30 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/de/service/presse/pressemitteilung/pid/landesregierung-beschliesst-massnahmen-gegen-die-ausbreitung-des-coronavirus for Baden-WΓΌrttemberg region in Germany | 16:32 |
| mefistofeles | new restrictions | 16:32 |
| Biep[m] | fujisan: The LiDL in Groesbeek still has toilet paper. | 16:42 |
| dividediff[m] | guilhermeesq: ehh lmao, Canada here too! | 16:52 |
| dividediff[m] | I donβt see many links since yesterday, I guess nothing crazy then usual has happened? | 16:53 |
| dividediff[m] | For better or for worse the St. Patrickβs parties seemed about The same here | 16:54 |
| bin_bash | that's not good | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:56 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Finland declares state of emergency, shuts down all schools β https://is.gd/hoiUMu | 16:57 |
| dividediff[m] | Some of the students at these parties *basically confessed to murder, vid; https://globalnews.ca/news/6678488/coronavirus-queens-st-patricks-day-party/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf | 16:58 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciciolina: Best of luck! | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +534 cases (now 177438), +1 deaths (now 6744), +1 recoveries (now 77889) πΆ US: +225 cases (now 4039) πΆ Germany: +312 cases (now 6924), +1 deaths (now 14), +1 recoveries (now 59) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +3 cases (now 5) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries ( | 17:03 |
| dividediff[m] | <pwr22 "When you sent that message it wa"> How did you see my message? Did you scroll thru all the posts you missed? | 17:03 |
| andrito | hello | 17:08 |
| dividediff[m] | Anyone have any insight if i should leave my windows open at all times to help ventilate my place? My hous is corona free atm | 17:09 |
| dividediff[m] | hi | 17:09 |
| sneep | Is it nice and warm outside? | 17:09 |
| andrito | actualy cold :) | 17:09 |
| dividediff[m] | sneep: canada, so like 0C | 17:10 |
| sneep | Then that's a definite no | 17:10 |
| dividediff[m] | Basically i'd burn heating but maybe i'll not get corona? | 17:11 |
| andrito | all winter dont have any snow and yesterday started to snow :D | 17:11 |
| andrito | you all heere sick? | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:08 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Cyberattack on HHS meant to slow coronavirus response, sources say - ABC News β https://is.gd/Ka1nuQ | 17:11 |
| dividediff[m] | andrito: what country? | 17:12 |
| andrito | dividediff[m], lithuania | 17:13 |
| pwr22 | I'm not sick | 17:13 |
| sneep | dividediff[m]: Very unlikely to help, and I doubt your heating is strong enough to counter the temperature loss vby having the windows open | 17:13 |
| Biep[m] | I think most of ur aren't sick. I am not. | 17:13 |
| BombayRecordComp | <dividediff[m] "Basically i'd burn heating but m"> if you are asymptomatic, it doesnt matter | 17:13 |
| Biep[m] | * I think most of us aren't sick. I am not. | 17:13 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "How did you see my message? Did "> Yes, and I also got notified about your message | 17:14 |
| sneep | These viruses like the cold, so you'd probably be better off closing your windows and investing the same kind of heating power to heat your house to 30 C or something | 17:14 |
| mefistofeles | the only good thing, for me, coming from this covid-19 situation is that my access to supercomputer resources is somewhat faster/easier | 17:14 |
| dividediff[m] | huh crazy | 17:14 |
| BombayRecordComp | <sneep "These viruses like the cold, so "> Ha! | 17:14 |
| sneep | And even then I'm not convinced it would have a measurable effect :p | 17:14 |
| BombayRecordComp | people are going batshit crazy on this | 17:15 |
| python476 | hoi back | 17:15 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: I thought that riot only notifies users if we click the user name of the target? AFAIK earlier i just typed in peter roberts | 17:15 |
| python476 | hail forest hikes | 17:15 |
| python476 | sadly I ran into a few more people that I hoped | 17:15 |
| python476 | but no groups | 17:16 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: no, it does it on text matches too | 17:16 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: all the wind out there must help reduce covid spread? | 17:16 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: TIL | 17:17 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: no idea.. also trees don't help wind | 17:17 |
| dividediff[m] | Bombay Record Company: are you in india atm? | 17:17 |
| BombayRecordComp | <dividediff[m] "Bombay Record Company: are you i"> this is correct | 17:18 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: out of interstest why were you asking if I'm ever online? | 17:18 |
| dividediff[m] | Bombay Record Company: is it true that there are very few cases there? | 17:18 |
| BombayRecordComp | <dividediff[m] "Bombay Record Company: is it tru"> Well - we are in week 3 of Case 0 | 17:19 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: we were talking about what mods this room has and i'm used to the reddit system where sometimes mod are nevr onlne | 17:19 |
| BombayRecordComp | i actively work with physicians - so what i am hearing from them is - we're yet to see the tipping point | 17:20 |
| pwr22 | I'm quite active and develop Cov Bot | 17:20 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: | 17:20 |
| dividediff[m] | Bombay Record Company: you believe that number? Like is indian gov trying to cover it up at all? | 17:21 |
| BombayRecordComp | <dividediff[m] "Bombay Record Company: you belie"> honestly no one really knows. we may certainly be covered thanks to the fact that we have a higher number of mortalities in general - related to infectious diseases | 17:23 |
| dividediff[m] | Bombay Record Company: i hope your corona num is legit, the rest of the world/west needs some of that indian magic ha | 17:24 |
| BombayRecordComp | haha - i hope so too. from what i hear from the experts - its mostly dying out by next Thursday. | 17:24 |
| dividediff[m] | :surprised: | 17:25 |
| BombayRecordComp | also we did treat 2 patients with HIV meds - in Jaipur - so although anecdotal - we may be onto something there. | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Possible hospital bed shortage, NY tri-state area imposes new restrictions β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 17:25 |
| dividediff[m] | * :surprise: | 17:25 |
| pwr22 | !cases india | 17:25 |
| dividediff[m] | * :surprised: | 17:25 |
| andrito | !cases lithuania | 17:26 |
| andrito | nop | 17:26 |
| dividediff[m] | A lil more than 0 cases it seems, but still 129/1 billion is still stellar | 17:27 |
| pwr22 | You think there are more? | 17:27 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: what source does cov bot use? | 17:27 |
| pwr22 | !source | 17:27 |
| pwr22 | I think I'd better add more detail to that | 17:28 |
| BombayRecordComp | <CovBot[m] "I am MIT licensed on Github at h"> this is legit! i am quoting this to the physicians. | 17:28 |
| pwr22 | Sorry not sure what you mean? You've quoted an automated message | 17:28 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: source is https://offloop.net/covid19/, i've nvr heard of offloop . net, it's a trustworthy? | 17:30 |
| dividediff[m] | * Peter Roberts: source is https://offloop.net/covid19/, i've nvr heard of offloop . net, it's a trustworthy site? | 17:30 |
| dividediff[m] | * Peter Roberts: source is https://offloop.net/covid19/, i've nvr heard of offloop . net, it's a trustworthy site? | 17:30 |
| pwr22 | It's by tinwhiskers in here | 17:30 |
| pwr22 | It takes the JHU data which is updated once per day and then overlays more high frequency sources on top of that | 17:30 |
| pwr22 | So it's pretty good in my experience | 17:30 |
| BombayRecordComp | So we have 52 labs here in India. Testing 5 people/ mn population as of today.This number, is the best we have available, as of now. | 17:30 |
| mefistofeles | dividediff[m]: it takes data from JHU, for the most part. | 17:31 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: T-29 mins for press conference xD | 17:32 |
| mefistofeles | or so | 17:32 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 17:32 |
| Birosso | mefistofeles: What conference? | 17:32 |
| mefistofeles | Birosso: the Italian civil thing press conference | 17:32 |
| mefistofeles | the one LjL translate, on a daily basis, so far | 17:32 |
| pwr22 | I'm using offloop because it avoids me having to re-invent the data collection and tinwhiskers has proved to be most excellent and kind in maintaining it | 17:32 |
| pwr22 | mefistofeles: will LjL be doing so today? | 17:33 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: no news from him, we'll have to wait and see | 17:33 |
| LjL | mefistofeles: i have set a reminder this time, i don't see anything from this channel except highlights at the moment though, i needed a break. there is also going to be a UKgov press conference (now on a daily basis) but i will prioritize the italian one since most people here can probably understand the ones in english | 17:33 |
| pwr22 | I hope he's ok! | 17:33 |
| mefistofeles | there! | 17:33 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: thanks | 17:33 |
| dividediff[m] | i guess evyone is havin press conferences tdy, i think CAN is having one too | 17:34 |
| BombayRecordComp | !cases canada | 17:35 |
| LjL | for reference, the italian press conference should be at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSE7oN3ZxE at 17 UTC, while Sky here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE should have the UK press conference in 10 minutes | 17:35 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases earth | 17:37 |
| pwr22 | !cases Cruise Ship | 17:38 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases world | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | Anyone know what that stat means? | 17:38 |
| dividediff[m] | isn't that teh ~diamond princess | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | !cases world | 17:38 |
| mefistofeles | "children can die from this infection", from the WHO briefing | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | If you're going to run a lot of queries for you own interest feel free to IM the bot dividediff | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | There's several cruise ships now | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | iirc | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NY, NJ, CT coordinate restrictions on restaurants, limit events to fewer than 50 people β https://is.gd/ZvrV2h | 17:39 |
| BombayRecordComp | <mefistofeles ""children can die from this infe"> sure but thats like a less than 1% probability | 17:39 |
| pwr22 | <mefistofeles ""children can die from this infe"> That's a new stance | 17:39 |
| mefistofeles | BombayRecordComp: yes | 17:39 |
| dividediff[m] | remember guys, NSAIDs have so far found to make corona worse | 17:40 |
| GeDaMo | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19 | 17:41 |
| dividediff[m] | corona symptoms** worse | 17:41 |
| corecode | o hi | 17:41 |
| BombayRecordComp | <GeDaMo "https://www.theguardian.com/worl"> this is outright silly | 17:41 |
| andrito | its like someone is playing plague game | 17:41 |
| dividediff[m] | hi | 17:42 |
| GeDaMo | BombayRecordComp: what's silly? | 17:42 |
| dividediff[m] | andrito: i've seen memes saying that god is playing plague inc atm lol, apparently he's not very good at it | 17:42 |
| andrito | yah i can better :D | 17:43 |
| BombayRecordComp | <GeDaMo "Bombay Record Company: what's si"> ibuprofen for covid! | 17:43 |
| GeDaMo | I can't tell if you're for it or against it | 17:43 |
| dividediff[m] | i am still hoping plague inc will be released free sometime this plague season | 17:44 |
| BombayRecordComp | <GeDaMo "I can't tell if you're for it or"> against! different class of drugs | 17:44 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: last I heard, clinicians in France had suggested ibuprofen (but not NSAIDS generally) might exacerbate covid-19, but they lacked certainty. Is there a definitive source? | 17:44 |
| pwr22 | Do we have any good research that shows that? | 17:45 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: my sources have so far been GeDaMo sources | 17:45 |
| BombayRecordComp | <ubLIX "dividediff: last I heard, clinic"> this is not even rational | 17:45 |
| pwr22 | Or is it a gut feeling like the ACE2 stuff? | 17:45 |
| BombayRecordComp | its an entirely different class of drugs | 17:45 |
| BombayRecordComp | ? | 17:45 |
| pwr22 | Which has been reported both ways for both ACE inhibitors and ARBs | 17:45 |
| dividediff[m] | dr campbell had a vid on it too and he thinks nsaids >50% chance of making things worse | 17:46 |
| GeDaMo | From the link above "A trial by Little and his colleagues, published in the BMJ, found patients with respiratory infections such as coughs, colds and sore throats who were prescribed ibuprofen rather than paracetamol by their GP were more likely to subsequently suffer severe illness or complications." | 17:46 |
| LjL | Trudeau is also announcing something about Canada (at the same time as when Italy's press conference happens so i won't be listening to him live) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erCCzcd9eYA | 17:46 |
| GeDaMo | https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6041 | 17:46 |
| ubLIX | thx GeDaMo | 17:46 |
| pwr22 | Huh, that link is saying "Ibuprofen, Cortisone" those are completely different drug classes | 17:47 |
| GeDaMo | Yeah, the first thing I saw was the French minister saying but there's seems to be evidence for it | 17:47 |
| pwr22 | Ones a NSAID and one is a steroid | 17:47 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "dr campbell had a vid on it too "> I don't think much of his stuff personally so not sure I'd put much behind his views | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | Saying a 50% chance it literally like saying "it might do, it might not" | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | Infact, it's exactly that | 17:48 |
| corecode | why don't you think of his stuff? | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | He's saying "I don't know" in a very complicated way | 17:48 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: greater than 50% chance i mean. But he may only mean 51% which is basically 50% | 17:49 |
| BombayRecordComp | thats crazy! | 17:49 |
| BombayRecordComp | Ibuprofen doesn't work on COVID ! | 17:49 |
| BombayRecordComp | won't* | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | His thing is mostly explaining concepts of things simply for people who don't have a background in the area and some speculation | 17:49 |
| corecode | who is peter roberts? not on irc? | 17:49 |
| mefistofeles | BombayRecordComp: nothing works on covid as cure, but you can treat its symptoms with many things | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | I'm on matrix | 17:50 |
| pwr22 | "Peter Roberts" is my display name on matrix | 17:50 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: yea pop science basically | 17:50 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts = pwr22 | 17:50 |
| BombayRecordComp | <mefistofeles "Bombay Record Company: nothing w"> yes but ibuprofen only "Suppresses" symptoms - doesn't eliminate anything | 17:51 |
| pwr22 | I don't get much from the basic overviews and don't agree with adhoc speculations on that latter, and I just get a vibe like I don't like him personally π€·ββοΈ | 17:51 |
| corecode | ah | 17:51 |
| LjL | Boris Johnson is live now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE | 17:51 |
| mefistofeles | BombayRecordComp: sure, again, nothing eliminates anything, as far as we know | 17:51 |
| python476 | oh cute, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DqfSnlaW6N3GBc5YKyBOCGPfdqOsqk1G/view says windex is helpful to sanitize | 17:51 |
| corecode | so what about the cholorquine/zinc stuff? | 17:52 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: i believe it has to be left on for long enough to work like clorex | 17:52 |
| BombayRecordComp | <mefistofeles "Bombay Record Company: sure, aga"> what i mean is - it may make things worse for people who are already weak from a nephro point of view. | 17:52 |
| python476 | LjL: so UK is not going herd immunity | 17:53 |
| pwr22 | LjL: is he talking about everyone or people of a certain age? | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:49 UTC: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson set to deliver first daily update: It follows criticism of the government's handling of the outbreak and confusion over its advice to the over-70s. β https://is.gd/JYSp0X | 17:53 |
| dividediff[m] | Bombay Record Company: my theory is that they suppresses fever which covid appreciates | 17:53 |
| python476 | also Johnson looks sweaty and tired.. aka sick | 17:53 |
| mefistofeles | python476: yes, they are basically taking the same measurements as other countries in Europe | 17:53 |
| LjL | everyone as far as i understand | 17:53 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: so much talk about herd strategy. At least it's clear now | 17:54 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: so spray a lot, wait a minute, then wipe ? | 17:54 |
| BombayRecordComp | guys - please read about the chemistry behind this | 17:54 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada's trudeau might be live in 6mins too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erCCzcd9eYA | 17:54 |
| sneep | python476: Yeah, and his hair is all untidy | 17:54 |
| pwr22 | Start working from home - good thing I went into work and got everything setup for that today | 17:55 |
| ubLIX | GeDaMo: the general drift of the paper you cited seems to be "Overall, compared with advice to use paracetamol alone, alternative advice on analgesia made little difference to symptom severity" and "but there was little evidence of these anticipated harms from ibuprofen" | 17:55 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: i thought that's the boris johnson look | 17:55 |
| BombayRecordComp | its important | 17:55 |
| mefistofeles | wait, what did he said about 12 weeks? | 17:55 |
| BombayRecordComp | https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236549305189597189.html | 17:55 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: like trump has the spray tan and hair, while boris has the dishevelled look | 17:55 |
| GeDaMo | ubLIX: ah, thanks | 17:56 |
| BombayRecordComp | <ubLIX "GeDaMo: the general drift of the"> ibuprofen won't do you good or harm - if you are just taking 400mg twice a day. | 17:56 |
| pwr22 | <mefistofeles "wait, what did he said about 12 "> Try to shield vulnerable people for that long | 17:56 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: ok, thanks | 17:56 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: i don't have a bottle with me, but i think clorex instructions are leave surface wet for 4 mins | 17:56 |
| BombayRecordComp | if that is something that helps you feel good. | 17:56 |
| pwr22 | I was planning to go swimming this evening, wonder if that'll be shut now? | 17:56 |
| ubLIX | GeDaMo: my understanding remains outcomes for severe cases with regard to ibuprofen are not yet well defined but caution is reasonable | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +280 cases (now 177718), +3 deaths (now 6747), +3 recoveries (now 77892) πΆ Switzerland: +132 cases (now 2353) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recov | 17:57 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: that's likely to gather people, so I'd avoid that | 17:57 |
| mefistofeles | specially since it isn't really essential | 17:57 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: he's less sweaty and usually more a jolly goff. Maybe it's just having to say something serious that is killing him | 17:58 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: what country r u in? | 17:58 |
| BombayRecordComp | Word of friendly advice for everyone in the US/Can - use water and soap in the bathroom - Soap works better than anything else you will find. Let go of those sanitizers and just use soap. | 17:58 |
| pwr22 | <mefistofeles "Peter Roberts: that's likely to "> I have a need to exercise for both physical and mental health so I hope it's ok | 17:58 |
| pwr22 | It's in a pool of chlorinated water | 17:58 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: uk | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: there are better ways of doing that | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | just get a walk/run at the park, for example | 17:59 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: true! | 17:59 |
| pwr22 | <mefistofeles "Peter Roberts: there are better "> Not really for me | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 17:59 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: try to go during non peak hrs if possible. | 18:00 |
| pwr22 | It's been instrumental in dealing with my bad mental health | 18:00 |
| pwr22 | So I'm sad to lose it βΉοΈ | 18:00 |
| pwr22 | Yeah that's sensible | 18:00 |
| dividediff[m] | how's pool water on covid? | 18:00 |
| pwr22 | I hope it'll be very empty due to people being afraid to go π | 18:00 |
| BombayRecordComp | <dividediff[m] "how's pool water on covid?"> avoid | 18:01 |
| BombayRecordComp | if its a community pool | 18:01 |
| pwr22 | IIRC chlorine kills it but unsure pool chlorine is enough | 18:01 |
| python476 | chrloroquine pools helps | 18:02 |
| dividediff[m] | may the flyin spagghetti monster protect u on your swim | 18:02 |
| python476 | if you drown in it | 18:02 |
| dividediff[m] | 'can't get corona if you drown first' - python 2020 | 18:03 |
| BombayRecordComp | hhaha | 18:04 |
| dividediff[m] | Bombay Record Company: what is that? | 18:04 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: I have the best 5dsmart skills | 18:04 |
| mefistofeles | "this is going to be a prolongued period" ---> as opposed to just a couple of weeks | 18:04 |
| python476 | did you guys knew of people near you being asymptomatic carriers ? | 18:05 |
| BombayRecordComp | acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) | 18:05 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: last i heard it's rare but possible | 18:05 |
| sneep | https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/training/cross-training/a31472426/coronavirus-is-it-safe-to-go-swimming/ FWIW | 18:05 |
| BombayRecordComp | this is what happens when there is widespread pulmonary inflammation culminating in pulmonary edema owing to the potent activation of the innate immune system and eventually that results in respiratory failure | 18:06 |
| LjL | either the Italy press conf has not begun or youtube is failing me | 18:06 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: "The World Health Organisation recommended chlorination level of 15mg.min/litre is sufficient to kill non-enveloped viruses such as poliovirus, rotavirus and coxsackievirus, and an enveloped virus such as Covid-19 would be inactivated at even lower levels, the document says." | 18:06 |
| BombayRecordComp | <dividediff[m] "Peter Roberts: "The World Health"> just don't bruh! | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:03 UTC: (news): WHO considers 'airborne precautions' for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air β https://is.gd/Q6QHyA | 18:07 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: yeah I was curious about how frequent it can be | 18:07 |
| BombayRecordComp | :D | 18:07 |
| LjL | today's press conference by Italian Civil Protection starting now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSE7oN3ZxE and I will translate now | 18:07 |
| python476 | nobody wants to be the silent carrier having no disease but giving it | 18:07 |
| pwr22 | I'm not concerned about getting it from the pool myself, I'm concerned about spreading it potentially though | 18:07 |
| LjL | Borrelli: Good evening and thank you everybody, Dr Name is with me for today's press conference | 18:07 |
| GeDaMo | python476: I don't want to be a vector, Victor :P | 18:07 |
| LjL | number of recoveries: +414, total 2749 | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ New York, US: +208 cases (now 954) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +6 cases (now 54) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +1 cases (now 2) πΈ New | 18:08 |
| BombayRecordComp | isn | 18:08 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: i believe i saw 1% | 18:08 |
| LjL | number of new cases: +2470, but we must keep in mind we lack data from Puglia and Trento, but the trend is lowering, as you heard from Lombardy too. total is 23073 | 18:08 |
| LjL | 10197 are self-isolating at home without symptoms or mildly | 18:08 |
| LjL | 1851 are in ICU, so still 10% of the positives | 18:09 |
| LjL | sadly, +349 deceased today | 18:09 |
| pwr22 | <python476 "nobody wants to be the silent ca"> I'll be staying isolated outside of exercise and shopping anyhow | 18:09 |
| LjL | the "cross" system transferred 7 patients today to other regions, for a total of 47 | 18:09 |
| corecode | sssh | 18:09 |
| corecode | let's listen to the conference | 18:09 |
| python476 | GeDaMo: another name that will vanish | 18:09 |
| python476 | pwr22: true, obv. benefit of confinement | 18:10 |
| LjL | we thank the NGO of American Evangelicals who donated a mobile hospital structure to our country, with 60 beds and 8 ICUs, which is being placed in Cremona. they will install and manage this structure for some months | 18:10 |
| LjL | we're thankful for this generosity towards our country | 18:10 |
| BombayRecordComp | take this as an opportunity to think about the billions - that have no means to even KNOW all of this happening. | 18:10 |
| dividediff[m] | corecode: i support this notion, however another chat room for ppl to use during live streams sounds likea good idea | 18:10 |
| LjL | i also thank our volunteers, which are growing in number: we have more than 4000 volunteers, +700 from yesterday | 18:10 |
| LjL | thanks also to the police and armed force. another data point that's growing is number of pre-triage tents, +52 for a total of 600 | 18:11 |
| LjL | 122 pre-triage tents are in prisons | 18:11 |
| dividediff[m] | trudeau's conference is running 12 mins behind schedule atm | 18:11 |
| LjL | i want to thank all those citizens who are donating bloods. that's extremely important. we need to assure the chance of curing our citizens, so i will keep inviting people to go and donate blood. | 18:12 |
| GeDaMo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBPbAiNVaXs | 18:12 |
| LjL | i'd like now prof Locatelli to speak | 18:12 |
| GeDaMo | "PM Trudeau and ministers provide update on federal response to COVID-19" | 18:12 |
| Albright | Hmm, can the virus be transmitted by blood? | 18:12 |
| Albright | I would imagine so. | 18:13 |
| LjL | Locatelli: thanks and good evening. i start from what Dr Borrelli said in the final part of his speech: thanks to blood donors, it must be very clearly stated that blood donations are extremely important at this time, as requirements for them certainly do not disappear now. | 18:13 |
| LjL | just think of thalassemy patients or major surgeries | 18:13 |
| LjL | okay i'm tired of transcribing thanks to people, i'll skip all that | 18:13 |
| Albright | I am a regular blood donor BTW and would encourage all physically healthy people to consider doing it at least once a year. Like on your birthday. | 18:13 |
| dividediff[m] | A quick search didn't make an obvious connection between blood donation being particularly helpful for corona | 18:14 |
| dividediff[m] | GeDaMo: like trudeau hasn't come on stage yet | 18:14 |
| LjL | This is an emergency situation, where our country is employing its best resources and its best minds to face it as effectively as possible, and reduce the impact, in particular on health, but also on the healthcare system itself. | 18:14 |
| GeDaMo | I wonder if he's waiting for Boris Johnson to finish | 18:14 |
| pwr22 | BoJo conf - will you be enforcing closures etc? How will you test? | 18:14 |
| pwr22 | BoJo says it is "very strong advice and have powers if necessary" | 18:15 |
| azy | hah. i was like "whys this guy talking like a politician?" then i realised hes transcribing one | 18:15 |
| LjL | My second point is connected to this, as there is an effort from the Ministry of Health, in cooperation with the regions, to make plans for treating COVID-19 patients homogeneous across all regions, by adopting common protocols and strategies for dealing with the most critical people, by which i obviously mean those requiring ventilation. | 18:15 |
| pwr22 | <Albright "I am a regular blood donor BTW a"> Can you do it if you have to take regular medication? | 18:15 |
| xionbox[m] | Probably depends on the meds | 18:16 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: i think it depends on the meds | 18:16 |
| mefistofeles | 44k tests conducted in UK | 18:16 |
| pwr22 | uk intends to continue scaling up testing | 18:16 |
| LjL | Something connected to this is the implementation, now imminent, of rigorously conducted studies, to determine the clinical efficacy of drugs to inhibit viral replication (antivirals), as well as treatment strategies to reduce hyperinflammation that can be at the grounds of some patients' deterioration of lung function. | 18:16 |
| xionbox[m] | I think that aspirin is a no-no because it's a blood thinner | 18:16 |
| BombayRecordComp | <pwr22 "uk intends to continue scaling u"> this is good information | 18:16 |
| pwr22 | they're trying to make a test that detects if someone has previously been sick and recovered | 18:16 |
| Albright | pwr22: It depends on the medication, but I'd guess no. | 18:16 |
| pwr22 | So they can work out the true number of cases in the community | 18:16 |
| LjL | to do all this, and this is my fouth point, we decided to elaborate innovative methods which, while within the requirement to have rigor in these clinical trials, must allow for flexibility, because we all have as our "north star" the need to provide immediate answers, and to try to activate, as quickly as possible, these clinical trials that will allow us to understand, aside from anecdotal reports, how much in a well-conducted analysis we can have | 18:17 |
| LjL | evidence of efficacy of these two strategies. | 18:17 |
| pwr22 | "how many people do you think are carrying the virus now?" | 18:17 |
| dividediff[m] | trudeau's stream was at 13k not only 2k due to, tardiness, he's still a no show | 18:17 |
| LjL | This is the time of maximum rigor, maximum attention, to document the validity of therapeutical approaches that can certainly be very promising, but whose efficacy must be proven without letting emotion take over. responsibility in communication must prevail. | 18:18 |
| dividediff[m] | * trudeau's stream was at 13k now only 2k due to, tardiness, he's still a no show | 18:18 |
| LjL | this doesn't mean all approaches, even the most innovative, shouldn't be considered - just that we must adopt an adequate methodology. | 18:18 |
| pwr22 | Was trudeau sick? | 18:18 |
| pwr22 | <pwr22 ""how many people do you think ar"> He's not really answering this | 18:18 |
| LjL | Italy has the most people infected by COVID-19, but that also means we're a reference in the international landscape, and can have a pioneer role. | 18:19 |
| pwr22 | London is ahead of the rest of the UK | 18:19 |
| pwr22 | in terms of infection | 18:19 |
| xionbox[m] | Peter Roberts: whats' the london status? Are there official numbers? | 18:19 |
| LjL | This plan will include a crucial role of AIFA (the government's pharma agency), not just in clinical trials, but also in gathering the data from patients treated using "compassionate use", i.e. outside of protocols and clinical trials | 18:19 |
| xionbox[m] | ANd is the policy still to hope for herd immunity after 80% of the people get infected? | 18:19 |
| pwr22 | !cases london | 18:19 |
| corecode | xionbox[m]: seems to be every western plan? | 18:20 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: his wife is sick but he's suppose to be fine | 18:20 |
| LjL | because we're all convinced that gathering and analyzing this information may provide us with very relevant information to manage these drugs in the best way and give them to the patients in the best way and have a homogeneous treatment all over the country. | 18:20 |
| LjL | Questions | 18:20 |
| pwr22 | Doesn't seem so | 18:20 |
| sandro__ | %data germany | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +3241 cases (now 180971), +349 deaths (now 7096), +414 recoveries (now 78306) πΆ Veneto, Italy: +301 cases (now 2473), +6 deaths (now 69), +10 recoveries (now 130) πΆ Piemonte, Italy: +405 cases (now 1516), +30 deaths (now 111) πΆ Marche, Italy: +109 cases (now 1242), +11 deaths (now 57) πΆ Lombardia, Italy: +1377 cases (now 14649), +202 deaths (now 1420), +357 recoveries (now 2368) πΆ Liguria, I | 18:20 |
| pwr22 | There is no mention of herd immunity | 18:20 |
| LjL | Agenzia Nova: can we verify the reasons why in the provines of Bergamo and Brescia there is the biggest number of cases? they registered more cases than the whole regions of Emilia-Romagna and Veneto. other question: about the resources being allocated, are they sufficient for this emergency phase? | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:16 UTC: (news): Uber is delivering free meals to health-care workers and first responders amid coronavirus crisis β https://is.gd/UwOZ8y | 18:21 |
| xionbox[m] | corecode: how so? Germany and Canada are develpoing a vaciine. Italy and France are trying to avoid the spread of the virus. UK, to my knoweldge, isn't doing anything but waiting for infection to kill people | 18:21 |
| xionbox[m] | !cases paris | 18:21 |
| LjL | About the first part, I'll try to give an answer. It's clear what we see today is still reflecting the situation (in terms of contagion) we had 12, or 14 days ago. | 18:21 |
| corecode | xionbox[m]: that knowledge doesn't seem to be right | 18:21 |
| happyfr0gg | what is "herd immunity" mean? | 18:21 |
| dividediff[m] | trudeau no show still, comments: "Heβs trying to find the perfect outfit" | 18:22 |
| corecode | herd immunity means enough people are immune via infection or vaccination that the virus does not spread naturally | 18:22 |
| happyfr0gg | oh. thanks. | 18:22 |
| LjL | To see in a full manner the reduction of new cases, and hopefully, if I may, a marked reduction of clinical impact on patients who develop respiratory insufficiency who do need to be admitted to ICU case, we still need a few days to see exactly, after the appropriate time interval, the efficacy that we count on about the containment measures. | 18:22 |
| LjL | The numbers on those two provinces are not anomalous seeing the situation there a couple of weeks ago | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | sandro__: In all areas, Germany, there are 6924 cases, 14 deaths (0.2% of cases), 59 recoveries as of March 16, 17:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 18:22 |
| xionbox[m] | !cases france | 18:22 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) The resources allocated are certainly the needed and sufficient ones, but whenever we need new resources, I'm certain the government will provide them. | 18:23 |
| xionbox[m] | corecode: you're correct. Turns out that herd immunity idea" was a misinterpretation of the announcement: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-herd-immunity-uk-boris-johnson/608065/ | 18:24 |
| LjL | Question by TG2: the masks and other PPEs, is there a central problem with masks? If i'm not mistaken, the 19 million that Italy was meant to get are being kept requisitioned by other countries. to Prof. Locatelli: the hygiene measures people always ask about, washing clothes and shoes... are we exaggerating, or is there a real possibility for the virus to remain on clothes and shoes and surfaces in general? | 18:24 |
| corecode | xionbox[m]: UK keeps talking about flattening the curve, having people stay home, practice social distancing | 18:24 |
| Albright | I don't think I've ever heard the phrase "social distancing" until like a week ago. | 18:24 |
| pwr22 | Herd immunity will be a natural end result of any successful management of the virus | 18:25 |
| GeDaMo | xionbox[m]: pwr22: this is linked from www.gov.uk and has number of cases in the UK by local authority and NHS region https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 | 18:25 |
| GeDaMo | London is listed at 407 | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | Probably even any unsuccessful management of it | 18:25 |
| LjL | Answer by Borrelli: about masks, we are very focused. we have registered blocks and interruptions from many countries that should provide our masks, because governments have requisitioned exports to guarantee their own self-sufficiency. we're working, we're working on it, i personally receive requests from many companies who tell me they want to start producing masks. | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | Just with more loss of human life | 18:25 |
| LjL | We have plans for a standard for masks that can be adequate, but with less burden than the normal authorization procedures. | 18:25 |
| LjL | Many companies are already preparing, and we hope we can start this soon. | 18:25 |
| LjL | The 50 million number... we still have that number planned, we're working on making it higher. | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | !cases *United Kingdom | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | GeDaMo: that's what my dataset has | 18:27 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) I'll try to answer based on a concept I'd call of physiology: a virus, to be viable and to replicate, needs cells, or it can't do it. This is the reason why it's so fundamental to pay the most attention to preventing human-to-human infection. We have insisted a lot in the past few days, actually weeks, on the "droplet distance", on the need to abandon some of our customary actions such as handshakes, precisely to interrupt the transmission | 18:27 |
| LjL | mechanism. | 18:27 |
| LjL | This is the one fundamental method the virus transmits. | 18:27 |
| Albright | Perhaps western society should adopt Japanese bowing. :P | 18:28 |
| GeDaMo | I've just seen there are .csv files on https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-cases | 18:28 |
| LjL | Then, the fact that some droplets may fall on surfaces and be contagious for a period of time is absolutely possible, but that is why we have clearly recommended in our "ten points" the importance of washing hands frequently, using adequate detergents to remove this possible source of infection. Obviously, however, this method of transmission is very marginal compared to direct human-to-human transmission. That is where a big campaign must be conducted, as | 18:29 |
| LjL | it's an issue that concerns all of us, individual responsibility, adequate behaviors to leave this emergency situation ASAP. | 18:29 |
| LjL | Now to taking extreme stances, like avoiding bringing clothes or shoes insides, well that's a whole different thing. | 18:29 |
| LjL | Question: newspapers talk [inaudible] From Great Britain... the epidemic could last a year... is this a data point that corresponds to Italy...? | 18:29 |
| Albright | No. The virus functions differently within Italy's borders. | 18:31 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 18:31 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) About the first point, peak in contagion, we must distinguish between a global scale, or even just European, compared to a national scale. In the first scenario, it's definitely possible, as we have numbers that indicate, unfortunately, in other countries too there is a substantial increase of infected and, sadly, people who don't make it. In Italy we hope for the situation to be significantly different: precisely because we have enacted | 18:31 |
| LjL | containment measures, restrictive ones, from closing schools to closing public places and stopping other forms of gathering that used to be part of our daily life... | 18:31 |
| corecode | of course it does | 18:31 |
| LjL | That was exactly with the goal of preventing this huge peak. | 18:31 |
| LjL | The scenario we expect, and which the containment measures that were adopted in Italy (and, take note, other countries are starting to adopt *now*) | 18:32 |
| LjL | which indicates the correctness of our decisions | 18:32 |
| LjL | it has the purpose of containing infections as much as possible. | 18:32 |
| xionbox[m] | What I wonder though is what will happen when we get rid of the quarantine? | 18:32 |
| corecode | more infections | 18:32 |
| xionbox[m] | What's the plan there? | 18:32 |
| LjL | The peak in infected and symptomatic people and the ability to handle them. | 18:32 |
| LjL | The fact the virus can stay around for some more months is possible, but today no one is able to state "until when". | 18:32 |
| LjL | But it's clear if we look at past epidemics, the more efficient our containment policies are, the more we will be able to avoid more episodes like this. | 18:33 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: would it be possible to grab data from https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 ? | 18:33 |
| LjL | Question from TG3: the doctors from NAO denounced the fact 3000 health operators have contracted the virus, and demand PPEs. Also, Fontana says they WILL make that hospital in Milan, and they hope the Civil Protection will help. | 18:33 |
| corecode | xionbox[m]: flatten the curve, duh | 18:33 |
| corecode | :) | 18:33 |
| xionbox[m] | corecode: that we would require the restrictions to be lifted by stages, right? | 18:34 |
| xionbox[m] | How did they handle that in Wuhan? | 18:34 |
| LjL | Borrelli answers: the government did everything possible to get masks. I want to remind that healthcare is in the realm of regions: the Civil Protection does not produce or market masks. I work day and night, like everyone else here, to find masks, ventilators, gloves... consumption of masks is 10x as much compared of the needs(?) | 18:34 |
| xionbox[m] | (I haven't followed the situation there enough) | 18:34 |
| corecode | they went for containment | 18:34 |
| dividediff[m] | 34 mins late, trudea still not as his press conference | 18:34 |
| LjL | We must accept that we have no such production of masks in our country. | 18:34 |
| corecode | most of the population doesn't have it | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 17:31 UTC: Coronavirus: What are social distancing and self-isolation?: Everyone is being asked to avoid non-essential social contact with others, known as self-isolation. β https://is.gd/lgfYQ0 | 18:35 |
| GeDaMo | pwr22: the data is available in .csv files https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-cases | 18:35 |
| LjL | The fact Arcuri was nominated Commissioner is partly to create a production of masks within our country to become self-sufficient. | 18:35 |
| LjL | On creating a hospital structure with ICU in the Milan Fair, I'd be the happiest person in the world if it could be built in the shortest time possible. The issue there is, again, equipment: we are giving Lombardy ventilators, and making enhancement plans, but within a need for other regions to require some attention too, despite Lombardy needing the most attention. | 18:36 |
| LjL | Question: [inaudible] ... doesn't grow like yesterday... In some way we are going through a phase that could bring us slowly, not quite to a decline, but a decline in rising. | 18:36 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) That is a nice oxymoron. Well, it's a data point we look at with attention and hopeful attention if I may say so, as it's something we have noted and we value it as a signal of what the containment measures may give us. | 18:37 |
| LjL | Obviously it must be substantiated within the next 1-2 days. We do hope we can continue seeing this "decrease in increase" and then we will be more confident in saying we've reached an important result for the country. | 18:38 |
| LjL | Question: ... have you already started contacts with private companies for adding more ICU beds? Aside from that....... ? | 18:38 |
| happyfr0gg | Track in REAL TIME Covid-19 Cases (reported infections, deaths & recoveries) around the world, in specific countries and localities. | 18:38 |
| happyfr0gg | https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 | 18:38 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) Sure, this increment has been talked about many times, we have request to increase ICU beds by 100%, and sub-ICUs, you can keep reading that there are continuing activities to create new structures. | 18:38 |
| LjL | It's an activity the government is going forward with. | 18:39 |
| mefistofeles | happyfr0gg: that's the dahboard from the JHU, we use that as well here, it's not that real time, so that you and others know | 18:39 |
| BruntLIVE | u know corona will be a movie wiht brad pitt running around trying to save us. World War C | 18:39 |
| mefistofeles | but it's a great source | 18:39 |
| LjL | About private structures, yes obviously they are also being used, and each region does so depending on their requirements. In Lombardy, as we understand it, private clinics are providing a huge contributions. They had more than 200 patients yesterday. | 18:39 |
| LjL | Question from ADN Kronos: The WHO said in today's press conference that even younger people and children can get infected........? | 18:40 |
| Albright | Leaves, is there any suspicion that Trudeau might have caught it along with his wife? | 18:40 |
| corecode | lots of suspicion everywhere | 18:41 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: who's Trudeau? | 18:41 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) Below 30 year old, there are no people who have experienced a fatal course in the disease. But this underlines that the people at risk are the elderly, and children can get infected and have very mild symptoms (something like a cold or conjunctivitis, which creates no risk for them), but they can indeed pass on the infection and create problems to elderly persons, where unfortunately, fatality is concentrated. | 18:41 |
| corecode | ca prime | 18:41 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 18:41 |
| LjL | This was the logic that led to the decision, that other countries are now adopting, to close all schools, or at least "frontal" teaching activities. | 18:41 |
| mefistofeles | btw, related to that answer. The WHO also said that it seems to be spreading less in Schools or similar centers for children | 18:42 |
| Albright | I would be surprised if that's true. Maybe children are just more asymptomatic. | 18:43 |
| LjL | Let me also say this as a doctor and pediatrician: the big question is, why, biologically, do children have a better ability to manage this coronavirus infection? Maybe because their immune system is, by definition, able to meet any pathogen as a "new" one, sine they spent 9 months in a protected environment, and then they must learn to defend themselves, so is it an intrinsic characteristic? Maybe their defense mechanisms against other coronavirus | 18:43 |
| LjL | (because clearly, the COVID-19 coronavirus is not the only one we know as acting on humans)... all studies that will give us good information to "transpose" this ability to withstand the infection from children to other weak subjects. | 18:43 |
| LjL | [inaudible] | 18:43 |
| mefistofeles | %cases United Kingdom | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 1543 cases, 36 deaths (2.3% of cases), 20 recoveries as of March 16, 17:30Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 18:43 |
| LjL | No I'll say again, it's because the majority of these children are asymptomatic, so they do not get hospitalized. | 18:43 |
| dividediff[m] | Trudea finally shows up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBPbAiNVaXs | 18:43 |
| Albright | Called it. | 18:44 |
| corecode | Albright: called what? | 18:44 |
| LjL | Question: about the WHO telling Italy we should make tests on asymptomatic patients... they say it must be done to stop the spread of this virus. Do you plan on making more tests? | 18:44 |
| Albright | What LjL transcribed. | 18:44 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: that was already known | 18:44 |
| bin_bash | yes, immune response is the most likely scenario. we saw it with the spanish flu as well. elderly and small children were less affected. elderly because theyd had an h1n1 virus before, and small children because of the difference in immune respnse | 18:44 |
| dividediff[m] | Treaudu: "Denying non Canadians from entering Canada." | 18:44 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) An observation: Italy is the country that has tested the most people thus far, and by far. The working group of the ISS, which is the top organ of the Ministry, and also the scientific committee, have clearly identified the categories of patients who deserve a test. | 18:45 |
| bin_bash | with ths one, it's brand new so the elederly are highly impacted as are middle-aged folks, and kids are less impacted. | 18:45 |
| mefistofeles | btw, it does not mean that elderly get it worse in general, that means the variance in that age group is higher | 18:45 |
| mefistofeles | this was said in the UK conference | 18:45 |
| dividediff[m] | ALL travellers with symptoms not allowed to enter canada via plane | 18:46 |
| LjL | That is to say the subjects who present with serious respiratory symptoms, or who, even with flu-like symptoms (fever, cough, or high respiratory symptoms), are indicated to get this kind of test if they have an anamnesy (contact with subject who got this virus or come with areas with a particular concentration)... | 18:46 |
| corecode | so it has nothing to do with the ace2 receptor? | 18:46 |
| dividediff[m] | INCLUDING CANADIANS woooow | 18:46 |
| LjL | It's obvious we must guarantee testing for these patients first and foremost, because they are the ones who most benefit from such a strategy. More widespread testing is unrealistic and not very useful for containment in our country. | 18:46 |
| corecode | dividediff[m]: uh wow | 18:46 |
| Albright | dividediff[m]: So border is closed to all non-Canadians AND symptomatic Canadians? | 18:46 |
| LjL | Question: In an interview, you said closing schools have worked. Can you explain better what lets you deduce that? | 18:46 |
| LjL | [there was probably more] | 18:47 |
| corecode | LjL is a digital hero | 18:47 |
| LjL | Whether we'll recommend continuing school closures, I will decide it when we are closer to the end of the term. Even more clearly, we can discuss this again towards the end of March. | 18:47 |
| LjL | I can confirm what I said in my interview: this measure has been effective, or else we'd have had a much more marked growth compared to the numbers we're saying. On defining the impact on containment as a percentage, that will only be able to happen in post-hoc analyses. | 18:48 |
| LjL | Thank you | 18:48 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:48 |
| corecode | thanks LjL | 18:48 |
| dividediff[m] | Albright: yea | 18:48 |
| mefistofeles | it's pretty effective since it general it makes parents also stay at home, for many cases | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:41 UTC: (news): WHO considers 'airborne precautions' for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air β https://is.gd/Q6QHyA | 18:48 |
| mefistofeles | or in the worse case, go to parks and not so crowded environments (offices, restaurants, etc.) | 18:49 |
| corecode | yea i've seen many children and parents hang out together, yesterday and today | 18:49 |
| dividediff[m] | "gov will help cover medical cost of stranded canadians" | 18:49 |
| dividediff[m] | health canada is suppose to start getting daily updates about corona | 18:49 |
| corecode | !stats canada | 18:50 |
| corecode | derp | 18:50 |
| corecode | !cases canada | 18:50 |
| dividediff[m] | 10 B available for businesses | 18:50 |
| corecode | %data canada | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +350 cases (now 181321), +1 deaths (now 7097), +1 recoveries (now 78307) πΆ Germany: +250 cases (now 7174), +1 recoveries (now 60) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 dea | 18:51 |
| dividediff[m] | 1 B for basically hospitals | 18:51 |
| LjL | i grepped my transcription to https://dpaste.org/B9cZ for reference | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: In all areas, Canada, there are 375 cases, 1 deaths (0.3% of cases), 11 recoveries as of March 16, 17:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 18:52 |
| dividediff[m] | we're not discriminating against the natives this time around | 18:52 |
| LjL | %cases Italy | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 27980 cases, 2158 deaths (7.7% of cases), 2749 recoveries as of March 16, 17:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:52 |
| ubLIX | good idea, thx LjL | 18:52 |
| pwr22 | <GeDaMo "Peter Roberts: the data is avail"> They seem to be xlsx files for some reason | 18:53 |
| dividediff[m] | Plane law not passing atm, but soon | 18:54 |
| pwr22 | <pwr22 "They seem to be xlsx files for s"> Actually two are csvs | 18:54 |
| LjL | New from r/WorldNews at 14:54 UTC: worldnews: Spain has nationalised all of its private hospitals as the country goes into coronavirus lockdown β https://is.gd/Sef9yq | 18:56 |
| LjL | comments immediately point out they didn't "nationalize" them | 18:56 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada planning on making a plan for how to help ppl pay for groceries and rent | 18:57 |
| GeDaMo | pwr22: ah | 18:57 |
| LjL | planning on making a plan | 18:58 |
| LjL | that sounds like the EU | 18:58 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 18:58 |
| corecode | heh this virus will turn the world into social democracies | 18:58 |
| mefistofeles | there's no really such thing as an EU in these matters, fwiw | 18:58 |
| pwr22 | GeDaMo: tracking at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues/16 | 18:58 |
| mefistofeles | just when they need Germany or France economically :P | 18:58 |
| pwr22 | LjL: ha | 18:59 |
| dividediff[m] | Annouces economy will decline | 18:59 |
| pwr22 | The question.... is brexit good or bad for the UK in a covid world? | 18:59 |
| dividediff[m] | ground travel into canada still allowed | 18:59 |
| corecode | neutral | 18:59 |
| Zalyssa | bad | 19:00 |
| corecode | why bad? | 19:00 |
| Zalyssa | why neutral? | 19:00 |
| corecode | i don't see how brexit influences this | 19:00 |
| mefistofeles | not the room/channel for that discussion, tbh | 19:00 |
| dividediff[m] | anyone on the ground is allowed is allowed into canada? He back pedelled a lil on that | 19:00 |
| pwr22 | But Farage told me we have the strongest economy in the universe π | 19:00 |
| corecode | so no planes into canada? | 19:01 |
| corecode | or no planes with infected people | 19:01 |
| dividediff[m] | International planes arriving can only arrive in 4 big airports | 19:02 |
| astraliam[m] | !cases italy | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Canada closes its borders, states ban dining in at restaurants β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 19:02 |
| dividediff[m] | ALL canadians with symptoms not allowed to reenter canada. Also Denying non Canadians from entering Canada. These measures apply to planes only | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +127 cases (now 181448), +2 deaths (now 7099), +1 recoveries (now 78308) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Te | 19:05 |
| dividediff[m] | bars and pubs still open for st patricks tmr. No imprivement to measures to prevent within canada spread | 19:06 |
| iomonad | !cases france | 19:06 |
| corecode | lol what | 19:07 |
| corecode | one last push | 19:07 |
| dividediff[m] | end of stream | 19:09 |
| dividediff[m] | Plane prices into canada will soar i bet | 19:09 |
| dividediff[m] | trudea still not sick | 19:09 |
| corecode | why soar? | 19:10 |
| dividediff[m] | All canadians travellers and basically being summoned back to canada | 19:11 |
| dividediff[m] | * All canadians travellers r basically being summoned back to canada | 19:11 |
| corecode | i guess i don't understand | 19:11 |
| dividediff[m] | within x days | 19:12 |
| dividediff[m] | So evyone has to immediately book tickets back to canada if they want to be in canada | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | I'm coming back to my country, fwiw | 19:12 |
| corecode | but if they're not infected, they can still go, no? | 19:14 |
| dividediff[m] | corecode: oh ic what you mean. Yes. So canadians can still take their exotic vacation, but it's russian roulette, if they get sick then no entry | 19:15 |
| corecode | yes | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Human vaccine trials begin, Canada closes its borders β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 19:16 |
| dividediff[m] | i think that minus crazy ppl, evyone abroad will panic and buy tickets immediate back just in case | 19:16 |
| dividediff[m] | I bet canadians abroad shortly; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZhRbLw5Us | 19:18 |
| Timvde | %cases Belgium | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 1058 cases, 5 deaths (0.5% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 19:18 |
| Timvde | 5 extra deaths, we're at 10 now | 19:19 |
| jcay | wooh, vaccine | 19:22 |
| jcay | does vaccine mean beforewards or afterwards? | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +114 cases (now 181562), +2 deaths (now 7101), +5 recoveries (now 78313) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Te | 19:23 |
| dividediff[m] | "At least 3 provinces reporting community transmission in Canada as experts urge immediate action" | 19:23 |
| LjL | jcay, before. i think a few vaccine trials are being started... directly on humans, skipping the animal stage | 19:24 |
| IronY | if u click the link | 19:24 |
| IronY | it is not a covid vaccine | 19:24 |
| IronY | it is a early common corona virus to test a limited set before a further set of tests for a corona vaccine | 19:24 |
| jcay | LjL: cool | 19:24 |
| LjL | jcay, but still everyone says we really shouldn't expect a vaccine before 12 to 18 months (it usually takes much longer) | 19:25 |
| dividediff[m] | If anyone would like to email trudea, cause oh man am i going to, https://pm.gc.ca/en/connect/contact | 19:25 |
| IronY | dividediff[m]: if you think you are emailing a email the prime minister gets without going through 100 people first, you go right ahead :D | 19:25 |
| jcay | at least we'd have something to kill the virus after infection | 19:26 |
| dividediff[m] | IronY: i'll be polite and hope for the best | 19:27 |
| IronY | dividediff[m]: fair, he lives 15 mins away, I am to afraid to visit though | 19:28 |
| IronY | Dunno if you caught it, but Ottawa International Airport, is technically no longer an International Airport | 19:28 |
| dividediff[m] | from my understanding of canada's reponse tdy, 'hide yo grandma, hide yo grandpa, mandatory closign of stores? ehh no' | 19:29 |
| astraliam[m] | I don't think it would be legal for Canada to refuse entry to it's own citizens even if they are sick. | 19:29 |
| LjL | jcay, antivirals to fight the infection is something that may be developed faster than a vaccine. actually, antiretrovirals are already being used, apparently with some success, as well as some other drugs... they use them as "compassionate use" off-label. but as the italian press conference said today, they can only be extended to many more patients after some hard data comes out of them | 19:29 |
| IronY | astraliam[m]: Laws are changing rapidly all over the world | 19:29 |
| IronY | what was previously legal or illegal is a moot point | 19:30 |
| Tobi[m] | I've put the dashboards of WHO and RKI (German) in a collection for quick access | 19:30 |
| dividediff[m] | IronY: hmm what? | 19:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:25 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Idris Elba tests positive, has had no symptoms. β https://is.gd/J6pdTY | 19:30 |
| Tobi[m] | https://kabi.tk/covid19 | 19:30 |
| IronY | dividediff[m]: Canadian international traffic is now limited to a handfull of airports, Ottawa not being one of them | 19:30 |
| dividediff[m] | astraliam: i guess they'll sue canada afterwards | 19:30 |
| dividediff[m] | IronY: what did u mean YOW is no longer and internation airport? | 19:31 |
| IronY | dividediff[m]: read above answer | 19:31 |
| corecode | how the hell do all these actors and politicians get it? | 19:31 |
| corecode | and why do they get tested? | 19:31 |
| IronY | corecode: my pm has not been tested | 19:31 |
| IronY | his wife had symtoms and was in the UK | 19:31 |
| IronY | thus she qualified for testing | 19:31 |
| dividediff[m] | IronY: Oh ic, after this is over, it'll spring back. Good catch tho! | 19:31 |
| corecode | is there crazy ass community spread we don't have any numbers on? | 19:31 |
| IronY | corecode: Ottawa (with 100 some cases) health person stated there is probably 1000 undiagnosed cases | 19:32 |
| IronY | sorry ottawa has like | 19:32 |
| IronY | 13 cases~ | 19:32 |
| IronY | and our health unit is telling us that probably means 1000 | 19:32 |
| corecode | so 100x? | 19:32 |
| IronY | which is the most responsible thing I have read in the news yet | 19:32 |
| corecode | where do they have the numbers from? | 19:33 |
| python476 | "Cyberattack hits U.S. health department amid coronavirus" | 19:33 |
| dividediff[m] | corecode: Not crazy community spread afaik, but it's expoentially growing in a few canadian cities | 19:33 |
| IronY | corecode: we have mobile testing setups in this city | 19:33 |
| unsaltedcholine[ | How is the coronavirus doing in central america? I don't hear much about say Mexico these days. | 19:33 |
| corecode | is idris elba in canada? | 19:33 |
| IronY | right now Toronto is our epicenter | 19:33 |
| dividediff[m] | who the heck is launching atks at a time like this | 19:34 |
| aradesh | watching this video. one of my favourite youtubers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On1hWBn3Ofg | 19:34 |
| corecode | dividediff[m]: trolls, political or yolotical | 19:34 |
| jcay | LjL: I see, thanks | 19:35 |
| python476 | so is tom hanks ded ? | 19:35 |
| jcay | %cases Mexico | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | jcay: In all areas, Mexico, there are 53 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 19:36 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: no | 19:36 |
| dividediff[m] | ONTARIO | 19:37 |
| dividediff[m] | 177 cases | 19:37 |
| nick34348 | Damn | 19:37 |
| jiffe | JHU numbers have gone down, FL was at 155 confirmed, it dropped to 149 confirmed | 19:38 |
| dividediff[m] | the island provinces have covid too. I was imaging PEI could stop corona by blocking off the 1 bridge in epic hollywood style | 19:38 |
| dividediff[m] | JHU? | 19:38 |
| corecode | johns hopkins | 19:39 |
| dividediff[m] | unsaltedcholine: i head that mexico is thinking about closing the boarder to americans. I wonder if it's out of spite lol | 19:39 |
| corecode | they should | 19:40 |
| dividediff[m] | IronY: im having trouble locating info about toronto | 19:41 |
| IronY | dividediff[m]: it is burred in CTV news updates, they release case details | 19:41 |
| IronY | they have a site with all of them ill paste it next time I come across it | 19:41 |
| dividediff[m] | toronto.ca "Toronto Public Health is monitoring 76 positive cases of COVID-19 in Toronto." | 19:42 |
| dividediff[m] | toronto doesn't have 50% of ontario cases surprisingly | 19:42 |
| corecode | %data chile | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: In all areas, Chile, there are 155 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Chile for time series data. | 19:43 |
| dividediff[m] | %data columbia | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | dividediff[m]: In British Columbia, Canada, there are 73 cases, 1 deaths (1.4% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 15, 01:53Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=British%20Columbia for time series data. | 19:43 |
| corecode | %data brasil | 19:44 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: Sorry, brasil not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 19:44 |
| corecode | %data brazil | 19:44 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: In all areas, Brazil, there are 203 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 16, 18:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Brazil for time series data. | 19:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Human vaccine trials begin, Canada closes its borders β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 19:44 |
| aradesh | this video is kinda scary. he's saying the more of the virus there is out there, the more opportunity of dangerous mutations. and humans essentially have no immunity to coronavirus | 19:44 |
| aradesh | and that it's possible that this'll be something now we'll be battling forever | 19:44 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: no, SOME common colds are due to SOME corona viruses | 19:44 |
| aradesh | as it becomes a standard ailment everyone suffers from in various mutant forms | 19:44 |
| corecode | we're not battling flu | 19:45 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: Oh ic, it might become an influenza type illness where it comes around | 19:45 |
| dividediff[m] | that sounds possible to me | 19:46 |
| bin_bash | i think you mean endemic | 19:46 |
| LjL | aradesh, it could, but first we'll develop some immunity with any luck, and viruses often tend to mutate towards milder forms, because they want to maximize their own survival, they don't want to kill you per se. and a vaccine could come, just not soon. | 19:46 |
| corecode | "want" | 19:47 |
| dividediff[m] | What do you guys think of this statement: " bottom line is a prevented pandemic is | 19:47 |
| dividediff[m] | indistinguishable from a pointless overreaction " | 19:47 |
| corecode | those that are less deadly/symptomy are less likely to be quarantined | 19:48 |
| LjL | corecode, i know, i know, they don't "want" anything. evolution acts so that etc. | 19:48 |
| aradesh | LjL: yeah he mentioned that. if you get it now, and survive, you'll likely have some immunity to coronaviruses in general | 19:49 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], i think it might be true at least from a public perception point of view, but we're well past the "prevented pandemic" stage now, so it's not relevant to this one | 19:49 |
| aradesh | though, not necessarily, but hopefully :P | 19:49 |
| aradesh | is what he baiscally said | 19:49 |
| LjL | aradesh, probably not to coronaviruses in general in my understanding... just to SARS-COV-2, mainly, although if it does mutate that doesn't automatically mean you lose the immunity (and it does mutate all the time, just not in ways that have been found significant so far) | 19:50 |
| aradesh | he's not just some normal youtuber sharing his opinions btw, he's been a research scientist in stuff like chemistry and biology for over 20 years, so i take what he says fairly seriously. | 19:50 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: which YTer? | 19:51 |
| aradesh | thunderf00t | 19:51 |
| aradesh | video i just shared earlier | 19:51 |
| aradesh | my grocery delivery should arrive shortly | 19:52 |
| aradesh | they sent an email saying they don't have lots of the things i asked for >:\ | 19:52 |
| aradesh | including toilet roll! lol | 19:52 |
| LjL | aradesh, our next delivery is due for march 31, although it seems from rumors that they cancel or delay deliveries a lot | 19:53 |
| corecode | i don't think thunderf00t is a specialist in epidemiology/virology | 19:53 |
| dividediff[m] | Where are countries borrowing money to fight corvid from? | 19:53 |
| GeDaMo | The future | 19:53 |
| dividediff[m] | Like since evy country is in at least a lil trouble, who has money to lend out? | 19:54 |
| corecode | everybody who took their money out of the market | 19:54 |
| corecode | and still has money after being leveraged | 19:54 |
| aradesh | corecode: he's not, but he's a good all-rounder | 19:54 |
| aradesh | with good common sense | 19:54 |
| corecode | ok | 19:55 |
| aradesh | LjL: hopefully mine will arrive | 19:55 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: thunderf00t has no citation on his vid? | 19:57 |
| aradesh | dividediff[m]: it's not a scientific paper | 19:57 |
| aradesh | it's just a youtube vid | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:55 UTC: /u/Isentrope: San Francisco Chronicle su Twitter: "BAY AREA MUST 'SHELTER IN PLACE' Six Bay Area counties announced a βshelter in placeβ order for all residents, directing everyone to stay in their homes for the next 3 weeks as officials desperately try to curb the spread of #coronavirus. https://t.co/1C4HVVMSjS" β https://is.gd/chzNAW | 19:58 |
| aradesh | but my feeling is, if he's taking it seriously, then it's probably wise to do the same ;) | 19:58 |
| muhammadanasnaee | https://summit.news/2020/03/16/denmark-passes-law-enabling-forced-coronavirus-vaccinations/ | 19:58 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: kurzgesagt has cites, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AElONvi9WQ | 19:59 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: scishow too, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_0luSvEXnA | 20:00 |
| dividediff[m] | muhammadanasnaeem: how can a forced vaccine law be passed when there is no corona vaccine? | 20:00 |
| yn | https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1239626132695252999 | 20:00 |
| LjL | aradesh, i find it impossible to disagree with that feeling at this stage. anyone who thinks this should *not* be taken seriously needs a... serious wake up call. | 20:00 |
| python476 | i just heard macron music | 20:00 |
| LjL | %title | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: Governor Mike DeWine su Twitter: "Today we will be issuing an order to close gyms, fitness centers, recreation centers, bowling alleys, indoor water parks, movie theaters, and trampoline parks across [...] | 20:01 |
| LjL | who was it that wanted some contents as part of the %title? i'd just like to point out it does happen with tweets, at least | 20:01 |
| python476 | new measures taken in France: | 20:05 |
| aradesh | LjL: a lot of people here in the UK are still barely worried about it | 20:05 |
| python476 | 15 days of extremely limited movements | 20:06 |
| dividediff[m] | aradesh: same with Can | 20:06 |
| aradesh | LjL: everyone seems to still see it as "everyone overreacting to a flu" | 20:06 |
| python476 | no walks out with friends, no going to see family | 20:06 |
| LjL | python476, "15 days" is code for "a long time" | 20:06 |
| aradesh | and people keep saying stuff like, "this kills no more people than car accidents" | 20:06 |
| python476 | LjL: probably, only quoting the dude | 20:06 |
| aradesh | sainsbury's van has arrived :-) | 20:06 |
| aradesh | brb | 20:06 |
| LjL | python476, fair, i'm just saying | 20:06 |
| python476 | only necessary move, work if no remote, physical exercise outside allowed outside of groups | 20:07 |
| bunquz | aradesh: which is right. The problem is you don't have those car accidents all at the same time overflowing your medical infrastructure | 20:07 |
| python476 | penalties if rules are broken | 20:07 |
| LjL | python476, that seems to match the measures taken by italy. somewhere else also... where did i read about extremely restricted things but with outside exercise allowed if you aren't in groups? | 20:07 |
| python476 | yeah it's similar | 20:08 |
| python476 | no surprise, except the late timing | 20:08 |
| LjL | python476, you better watch Italy's graph closely in the next few days. if it works here it should work more or less across Europe. | 20:08 |
| aradesh | LjL: has public transport been closed yet? | 20:08 |
| LjL | we *may* be starting to see the effects but imo the "new cases" curve is not quite enough to say that | 20:08 |
| LjL | aradesh, no, but it's scaled down a lot | 20:08 |
| python476 | LjL have things settled a bit in there ? | 20:08 |
| aradesh | seems italy's death toll will surpass china's soon? | 20:09 |
| CUPID-19 | americans can travel to certain european countries for up to 3 months without a visa. anyone know what the options are to stay past 3 months if it's too high risk to travel? | 20:09 |
| LjL | python476, in what terms? hospitals are probably more overwhelmed than ever. people are probably behaving okayish, but there weren't ever like huge stabbings in front of supermarkets for hand sanitizer tbh | 20:09 |
| LjL | CUPID-19, the EU is currently considering locking all external borders, so don't really expect to be able to go to Europe | 20:10 |
| CUPID-19 | ljl i'm already in europe | 20:10 |
| aradesh | it's been sad how reluctant governments have been to take these measures early enough | 20:10 |
| airgap | something for the resources page: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19 | 20:11 |
| LjL | CUPID-19, i don't think there are any "new" options, as in, you can't get a visa extension on the ground you can't travel... but i feel we're going to be in a lot of new legal territory | 20:11 |
| python476 | LjL I was curious about the hospital workload | 20:11 |
| LjL | python476, i'm sure it isn't lightening. it's only going to get worse at least in terms of more regions than just Lombardy going over capacity. | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:08 UTC: The Alphabet coronavirus screening website that Trump talked about last week is not currently taking appointments: Alphabet's website, built by Verily, says it's no longer taking reservations for coronavirus COVID-19 screenings in two California counties. It launched on Sunday evening. β https://is.gd/qRzAbs | 20:11 |
| CUPID-19 | damn that would suck if they forced americans to get on a plane back to usa and risk getting the virus aboard | 20:12 |
| LjL | CUPID-19, well, the US doesn't really allow people from Europe to come in, but i'm guessing it would allow its own citizens to come back, if they manage to, but also, you'll likely be quarantined. i don't envy you | 20:12 |
| CUPID-19 | is it likely that a european country will force americans to leave so as not to overstay their visa? | 20:14 |
| LjL | honestly... i've no idea | 20:14 |
| Birrosso | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/egypt-rate-coronavirus-cases-higher-than-figures-suggest | 20:14 |
| Birrosso | Hardly surprising. | 20:15 |
| aradesh | this is probably going to be one of the biggest global economic hits in a long time, isn't it? | 20:15 |
| aradesh | this virus | 20:15 |
| Birrosso | The government would do anything to avoid harming the tourism industry. | 20:15 |
| Birrosso | Including cover-ops of this magnitude. | 20:15 |
| Birrosso | *ups | 20:15 |
| LjL | CUPID-19, like, right now almost every country in western europe has border restrictions (mostly stringent ones), but if you look at https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control then legally it looks like there are no new Schengen suspensions anywhere except for previously existing ones | 20:15 |
| python476 | any news of new productions / stocks of ventilators for hospitals ? | 20:15 |
| LjL | so i feel the legal situation is very much undefined | 20:15 |
| Birrosso | "Tourism is a cornerstone of Egyptβs economy, and officials insisted on business as usual, stressing that tourist sites in Luxor remain open even as the country banned large public gatherings and closed schools. " Yep, theeeere it is. | 20:16 |
| python476 | fews articles talked about massive mask/gel paid by millionaires | 20:16 |
| CUPID-19 | sounds about right | 20:16 |
| LjL | Birrosso, "higher than figures suggest" is true of every country, but it does seem likely that African countries (both Mediterranean and not) are undertesting/underreporting more than European countries at the moment | 20:16 |
| LjL | Birrosso, i'm not entirely sure what sort of person is going to travel for tourism at this time, though, but i guess people often surprise me | 20:17 |
| Birrosso | It's not just the lack of testing, but also the wilful cover-ups. | 20:17 |
| CUPID-19 | apparently younger people wanting to take advantage of cheaper prices | 20:17 |
| RandomRaven | %data usa | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | RandomRaven: In all areas, US, there are 4228 cases, 73 deaths (1.7% of cases), 73 recoveries as of March 16, 19:03Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 20:17 |
| Birrosso | Yes, I guess we're past that point anyway. | 20:18 |
| xionbox[m] | France just banned all unnecessary trips, including friend and family gatherings for "at least" two weeks (I was listening to the address by Macron live moments ago) | 20:18 |
| LjL | Birrosso, whatever the reason, just don't trust the data. or even close. | 20:18 |
| xionbox[m] | Military being deployed to prevent people walking about | 20:18 |
| Birrosso | What worries me is that this might start a snowball in Africa if they don't quarantine properly. Egypt's population is very young. | 20:18 |
| LjL | Birrosso, there's no way Turkey has the amount of cases it's reporting, for instance | 20:18 |
| BombayRecordComp | India just ordered community testing on a sample of 1000 | 20:19 |
| LjL | BombayRecordComp, random sample? | 20:19 |
| darsie | Austria outlawed going to public places with 5 very reasonable exceptions. | 20:19 |
| CUPID-19 | Birrosso why would turkey overreport? there doesn't seem like much incentive since it would damage tourism | 20:19 |
| Birrosso | Oh, never mind. Nearby countries banned entry from Egypt. | 20:20 |
| Birrosso | CUPID-19: I don't think I said anything about Turkey. | 20:20 |
| LjL | i did | 20:20 |
| LjL | but i certainly wasn't suggesting Turkey's overreporting | 20:20 |
| CUPID-19 | ah i meant ljl | 20:20 |
| LjL | %data Turkey | 20:20 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +193 cases (now 181755), +29 deaths (now 7130), +34 recoveries (now 78347) πΆ US: +102 cases (now 4243), +4 deaths (now 75) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (no | 20:20 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, at your leisure | 20:21 |
| python476 | darsie: *drumroll* | 20:21 |
| Birrosso | "βI saw a couple of cases, where people come with cold symptoms, and they are afraid to say that they suspect itβs coronavirus,β said one operating in Cairo who declined to give his name. βSince there is no manual or information from the authorities on what to do if you are around someone with symptoms, lots of people just take doses of antibiotics, so they are stable for a couple | 20:21 |
| Birrosso | of days. Then they get sick again.β" | 20:21 |
| Birrosso | Yeeeep, sounds about right. | 20:21 |
| Birrosso | Sorry for the big text. | 20:21 |
| LjL | %data Turkey | 20:21 |
| Birrosso | People are worried te report their sickness because they might get black-sacked for it. | 20:21 |
| Albright | Just had a thought. A lot of people are staying home from work now. I bet you we'll see a small baby boom in nine monthsβ¦ π€ | 20:21 |
| Birrosso | Arguably worse than fearing back-breaking medical debt. (US) | 20:21 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Turkey, there are 18 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 01:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Turkey, there are 18 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 01:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 20:22 |
| LjL | well that took a while somehow | 20:22 |
| LjL | but, there's no way this figure is overreported, just based on... the figure | 20:22 |
| jiffe | NY numbers shot up didn't they.. | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: San Francisco and France order residents to stay home β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 20:25 |
| LjL | %cases NY | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In New York, US, there are 954 cases, 6 deaths (0.6% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 01:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 20:26 |
| LjL | jiffe, well, uhm... compared to previous days, it's just a little more of the same. which means yeah in general it's shooting up. | 20:26 |
| LjL | jiffe, it's like it's missing the "early" part of the graph... which to me, points to utter lack of testing before some point. but is that surprising? everyone had been saying the US wasn't testing people... it was probably true. | 20:27 |
| jiffe | yeah probably so | 20:29 |
| jiffe | surprised WV is still not reporting any cases, was expecting last state to hold out to be AK, MT or ND | 20:30 |
| jiffe | I suppose that could be lack of testing too :) | 20:30 |
| dividediff[m] | Hopes for coronavirus vaccine rise after Chinese scientists find infected monkeys developed immunity | 20:34 |
| dividediff[m] | Primates found to have developed antibodies after being infected with Covid-19 β a discovery that suggests the immune system will fight back against the disease | 20:34 |
| dividediff[m] | Scientists have been puzzled by case of patients apparently being reinfected with the disease, but this study suggests that may not be the case | 20:35 |
| dividediff[m] | Primates found to have developed antibodies after being infected with Covid-19 β a discovery that suggests the immune system will fight back against the disease | 20:35 |
| dividediff[m] | Scientists have been puzzled by case of patients apparently being reinfected with the disease, but this study suggests that may not be the case | 20:35 |
| aradesh | i'm starting to think that, maybe once some more countries have got on top of the coronavirus, and other countries have completely lost control and let it spread to their whole country, in say a number of months. that these countries which didn't manage to control it, their borders could be closed to the rest of the world for years to come | 20:35 |
| LjL | python476, uh, good job doing the first round of elections so that a few more people get infected, and then postponing the second round for an undefined amount of time... just the best possible outcome i could have imagine, congrats! | 20:35 |
| dividediff[m] | researchers also found that the animals could become infected through their eyes, which means wearing a face mask may not be enough to protect people from the disease. | 20:36 |
| aradesh | need goggles too | 20:36 |
| bin_bash | yah you gotta wear goggles too | 20:36 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], that's kind of interesting but mostly we knew that. good to have it sort of confirmed though (not so good about the eyes part, but yeah, we kind of knew that too). it probably would have worked if you gave a link instead of pasting so many lines though :P | 20:36 |
| python476 | LjL: dank u | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:36 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Trump admits that coronavirus crisis could stretch into July or August β https://is.gd/sy32an | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +1225 cases (now 182980), +21 deaths (now 7151) πΆ France: +1210 cases (now 6633), +21 deaths (now 148) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +4 cases (now 30), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries | 20:40 |
| python476 | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-16/ten-minute-coronavirus-test-could-be-game-changer-for-africa | 20:40 |
| LjL | python476, and good news from the bot too :( | 20:40 |
| CUPID-19 | who has any idea how long it will stretch, honestly | 20:40 |
| mirsal | french govt just announced military enforce confinement | 20:40 |
| ALT_F4 | Evening all | 20:40 |
| mirsal | * french govt just announced military enforced confinement | 20:40 |
| CUPID-19 | good | 20:41 |
| dividediff[m] | Is corvid testing free in all countries? | 20:41 |
| CUPID-19 | every country should military enforce confinement | 20:41 |
| dividediff[m] | hi | 20:41 |
| CUPID-19 | i can't believe employers are still expecting people to work at the office | 20:41 |
| LjL | python476, based on the "ten minutes" and other things it says, this sounds like it's a test that doesn't require sending a sample anywhere...? but it is never clearly stated | 20:42 |
| xrogaan | Anybody know a source of statistics for France? | 20:42 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], no. especially not if you just "want" to get tested. in that case it may simply be unavailable, or expensive. | 20:43 |
| python476 | i don't understand the details | 20:43 |
| python476 | you're all probably more capable of understanding this | 20:43 |
| LjL | python476, such optimism | 20:43 |
| python476 | LjL: I'm super tired for some reason | 20:43 |
| philrandom[m] | How long the confinement will last ? | 20:43 |
| dividediff[m] | Assuming someone has symptoms, anyone know countries that CHARGE for covid testing? | 20:44 |
| LjL | philrandom[m], 1) no one knows 2) if you don't specify where, no one could possibly know anyway | 20:44 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], iirc Korea's drive-through tests cost something like β¬130 if you end up negative | 20:44 |
| mefistofeles | are there other ways to test this other than PCR? | 20:44 |
| LjL | no source, just hearsay | 20:44 |
| python476 | i'd gladly pay 100$ to know my status | 20:45 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, generic enough to cover any case | 20:45 |
| philrandom[m] | There are rumours that will last 45 days ... Is it realistic ? | 20:45 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, well the link that python476 gave seems to be about a test that's not PCR, but it's also not very clear what it *is* to me. anyway, i believe China has already developed an antibody test, which is being used sometimes | 20:45 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: interesting, thanks | 20:45 |
| python476 | but I guess a temperature test is probably enough at first | 20:45 |
| LjL | philrandom[m], i still have no idea which place you're talking about, but, i'd say it's a the low end of what you might expect. | 20:45 |
| dividediff[m] | philrandom: formula: figure out the max time a human can have the covid. The quarantine has to be minimum that length | 20:46 |
| LjL | python476, do you have any symptoms? you may just be tired because this is all pretty damned stressful. | 20:46 |
| ALT_F4 | Source for France? | 20:47 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], uh no that doesn't really give you the expected duration of *lockdowns*, which i believe is what's being asked. the *quarantines* are 14 days almost everywhere | 20:47 |
| dividediff[m] | The problem with charging those with negative results is that it discourages the poor from seeking treatment | 20:47 |
| python476 | LjL yeah most probably | 20:47 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], the poor probably don't have a car for the drive-through test in the first place tbh | 20:47 |
| python476 | I walked 1h .. usually this revives me but not now | 20:47 |
| CUPID-19 | python476 what did you eat today? | 20:48 |
| LjL | dividediff[m], the majority of those who go to those tests are mildly symptomatic, so if you feel really very ill, you don't drive through the test, you call emergency services and they'll take you to an isolated ward | 20:48 |
| python476 | pasta/beef, coucous/chicken | 20:48 |
| python476 | tea | 20:48 |
| CUPID-19 | that's probably it | 20:48 |
| python476 | CUPID-19: it's probably low mood from disorganized future globally | 20:48 |
| CUPID-19 | all the things that will weigh you down and drain your hydration | 20:48 |
| CUPID-19 | python476 i'm feeling that mood thing too | 20:49 |
| CUPID-19 | feels like plague 2.0 | 20:49 |
| xrogaan | I'm looking for stats related to the age of the persons in critical conditions. | 20:49 |
| python476 | maybe I'd feel better if I could get into action and hel | 20:49 |
| python476 | help | 20:49 |
| Unregisterednick | I'm an army dick. I'm not looking forward to gate duty tomorrow. I have to reject people who show symptoms. I'm not looking forward to detaining someone (if they attempt entry). | 20:49 |
| python476 | even if it means cleaning doors and tables | 20:49 |
| xrogaan | so far, for France, I found https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/articles/infection-au-nouveau-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-covid-19-france-et-monde | 20:49 |
| xrogaan | Unregisterednick: protect your eyes, mouth and nose | 20:50 |
| python476 | "army dick" so lovely | 20:50 |
| corecode | %cases croatia | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: In all areas, Croatia, there are 57 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 3 recoveries as of March 16, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 20:50 |
| python476 | Unregisterednick: good luck, hopefully people behave politely | 20:50 |
| CUPID-19 | %cases sweden | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | CUPID-19: In all areas, Sweden, there are 1119 cases, 7 deaths (0.6% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 16, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 20:50 |
| paulo_ | %data philippines | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | paulo_: In all areas, Philippines, there are 142 cases, 12 deaths (8.5% of cases), 5 recoveries as of March 16, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines for time series data. | 20:52 |
| paulo_ | %data north korea | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | paulo_: Sorry, north korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:52 |
| ALT_F4 | www.santepubliquefrance.fr says nothing about military confinement? | 20:52 |
| paulo_ | %data shouth korea | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | paulo_: Sorry, shouth korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:52 |
| paulo_ | %data south korea | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | paulo_: In all areas, Korea, South, there are 8236 cases, 75 deaths (0.9% of cases), 1137 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Korea,%20South for time series data. | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | paulo_: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 6.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: San Francisco and France order residents to stay home β https://is.gd/iGHH6M | 20:53 |
| LjL | xrogaan, ALT_F4: i don't know of a detailed statistics site for France, but they have their daily press conference here: https://www.dailymotion.com/MinSoliSante can't say i listened to it, it's taxing enough to listen to the italian one, but i'll give it a quick listen | 20:53 |
| xrogaan | %data France | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: In all areas, France, there are 6633 cases, 148 deaths (2.2% of cases), 12 recoveries as of March 16, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 20:53 |
| paulo_ | europe is really hard hit though | 20:54 |
| ALT_F4 | Just trying to find a source to see if this military confinement is true? Thankyou | 20:54 |
| dividediff[m] | "Elon Musk | 20:54 |
| dividediff[m] | @elonmusk Mar 6 | 20:54 |
| dividediff[m] | The coronavirus panic is dumb" | 20:54 |
| Alohomora | %data Germany | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | Alohomora: In all areas, Germany, there are 7241 cases, 15 deaths (0.2% of cases), 65 recoveries as of March 16, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 20:54 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: if u find an eng source, let me know too | 20:54 |
| CUPID-19 | does corona stay in the body forever? | 20:55 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: panic is dumb. Concern and action aren't though. | 20:55 |
| python476 | not if you pee | 20:55 |
| Birrosso | Well, panic *is* dumb. That being said, one shouldn't care about anything an internet celebrity says abqut serious issues. | 20:55 |
| python476 | news said Musk lost billions on this tweet | 20:55 |
| Birrosso | *about | 20:55 |
| tinwhiskers | CUPID-19: probably not but we don't know yet | 20:55 |
| xrogaan | ALT_F4: it'll probably come to that point. As an individual, the best thing you can do for yourself and for other is to behave as if it was martial law. | 20:55 |
| CUPID-19 | i thought viruses never leave the body | 20:55 |
| dividediff[m] | im surprised he hasn't retracted the tweet yet | 20:55 |
| ALT_F4 | All I can find is that they have been placed into a minimum of a 15 day lockdown. | 20:55 |
| LjL | the French press conference is a lot of blah blah before they get to the numbers (if ever) | 20:56 |
| tinwhiskers | CUPID-19: most leave but a few are known to stay | 20:56 |
| ALT_F4 | Gas, elec, water and rent to be suspended in France | 20:56 |
| LjL | Birrosso, tinwhiskers: panic is unhelpful. "dumb" seems like a judgment on the person experiencing panic, though, which i honestly would avoid because it's hardly a very controllable reaction. | 20:57 |
| xrogaan | ALT_F4: from what I understand "stage 3" is kind of martial law | 20:57 |
| Birrosso | LjL: Fair enough. | 20:57 |
| ALT_F4 | this is from business insider regarding france: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-france-president-macron-announces-15-day-lockdown-2020-3 | 20:57 |
| ALT_F4 | published 10 min ago | 20:57 |
| CUPID-19 | alt_f4 you mean bills? | 20:58 |
| tinwhiskers | CUPID-19: you may retain antibodies for viruses for a lifetime (or not) but generally not the viruses themselves, however some viruses like chicken pox can remain dormant in your nerves and reactivate in times of stress or low immune activity. | 20:58 |
| zig | stage 3 in france is not martial law | 20:58 |
| ALT_F4 | @CUPID-19 yes | 20:58 |
| astraliam[m] | I'm worried the UK strategy might turn out to be the best. | 20:58 |
| mefistofeles | astraliam[m]: the UK strategy is everyone's strategy fwiw | 20:58 |
| zig | except if they have a good hospital system | 20:58 |
| Alohomora | %data Spain | 20:59 |
| Brainstorm | Alohomora: In all areas, Spain, there are 9428 cases, 342 deaths (3.6% of cases), 530 recoveries as of March 16, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 20:59 |
| mefistofeles | so, therefore, is not *the UK* strategy at all | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | astraliam[m]: it is objectively the best strategy if you ignore the kneejerk. | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | *best to date | 20:59 |
| astraliam[m] | mefistofeles: you mean because of co-dependence? | 20:59 |
| mefistofeles | astraliam[m]: I mean that UK is not doing anything differently than others european countries... maybe a bit sooner, fwiw | 21:00 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: the uk strategy pushes the burden of infection toward younger people whereas the general "flatten the curve" approach is not biased like that. The result of putting the burden on young people is lower overall deaths, higher participation in the economy and shorter duration of the disease. | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | However the uk send to also have the worst communications and their implementation may leave something to be desired | 21:02 |
| dividediff[m] | might have figured out something big! | 21:02 |
| Unregisterednick | What is it? | 21:02 |
| dividediff[m] | Netflix should be subsidized and become free globally to enourage ppl to stay home more. SImilar to what pornhub is doing. Maybe throw in steam games. | 21:03 |
| CUPID-19 | if this virus can be carried by rodents then the world is in for an even wilder ride | 21:03 |
| CUPID-19 | #corporateresonsibility | 21:03 |
| Unregisterednick | I just tried pornhub for the first time last night. | 21:03 |
| dividediff[m] | Gacha phones games would work since those things are grindy, make their lootbox drops a bit better | 21:03 |
| dividediff[m] | Unregisterednick: username does Not check out lol | 21:04 |
| Unregisterednick | Holy shit. So many different types of porn! I tried to get as esoteric as possible. | 21:04 |
| python476 | Unregisterednick: you're the one guy that paid ? | 21:04 |
| ALT_F4 | Used an italian vpn for pornhub this morning. Wish i never did it. | 21:04 |
| python476 | Unregisterednick: tell me there's a new hazmat fetish category | 21:04 |
| ALT_F4 | The production quality is so much better compared with free lol | 21:04 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: holy! | 21:04 |
| python476 | 'fever hot hospital nurse action in gloves' | 21:04 |
| python476 | 'wipe me baby.mp4' | 21:05 |
| Unregisterednick | I searched for cake sitting, In related searches there was something called "wam splosh". I didn't know what that was. I wish I didn't find out ;_; | 21:05 |
| dividediff[m] | How does it work, if pornhub thinks you're in italy, boom premium? | 21:05 |
| python476 | 'dirty hands vol. 3' | 21:05 |
| Unregisterednick | python476: There is a corona virus amateur. Where the doctor sucks out the corona. | 21:05 |
| python476 | tmi | 21:05 |
| Unregisterednick | Not joking :| | 21:05 |
| ALT_F4 | @divided yes - you get a month free without entering creditcard | 21:05 |
| dividediff[m] | l.m.a.o | 21:05 |
| dividediff[m] | It's a good idea both for business and humanity. Even sex addiction workers could profit afterwards too lol | 21:06 |
| dividediff[m] | Unregisterednick: corona virus prob can't be transfered from genitals ha | 21:07 |
| Unregisterednick | ***search?search=corona | 21:07 |
| CUPID-19 | is there a good clean place to video chat with new people to not feel so lonely in isolation? | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:03 UTC: First human trial for coronavirus vaccine begins Monday in the US: The trial is taking place at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, Washington, where cases have surged in recent weeks. β https://is.gd/dtppYQ | 21:07 |
| zig | CUPID-19: look for local groups | 21:07 |
| Unregisterednick | CUPID-19: https://chatroulette.com/ might pick up | 21:07 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: but I don't get how is the UK strategy different, maybe they are being more explicit about older people not leaving the house for a large amount of time (12 weeks) | 21:08 |
| mefistofeles | but other than that, I don't see much difference, tbh | 21:08 |
| dividediff[m] | CUPID-19: @EricGrahamMacEachern:matrix.org | 21:09 |
| dividediff[m] | is friendly, added me randomly and wanted to chat basically | 21:09 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data israel | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: In all areas, Israel, there are 277 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 16, 19:55Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Israel for time series data. | 21:11 |
| _io_ | wow go Israel | 21:11 |
| dunnp | US recommending 10 person maximum in events now | 21:11 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data uk | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 1543 cases, 55 deaths (3.6% of cases), 52 recoveries as of March 16, 19:55Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: explicitly shifting the burden to younger people makes a huge difference. The hospitals can cope with a much higher number of people being simultaneously infected because so few will have series symptoms. Because less young people are quarantined they still contribute to the economy, and because you can handle more people being infected at once the disease peaks sooner. | 21:12 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data estonia | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Estonia, there are 205 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Estonia for time series data. | 21:12 |
| lineinthesand | %data austria | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | lineinthesand: In all areas, Austria, there are 1018 cases, 3 deaths (0.3% of cases), 8 recoveries as of March 16, 19:55Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Explicitly protecting old folk is super important | 21:12 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data ukraine | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Ukraine, there are 5 cases, 1 deaths (20.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ukraine for time series data. | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | It may seem like a minor difference but it's very important | 21:13 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: ok, I guess I see what you mean, but I don't really see much difference in the practical sense | 21:15 |
| tinwhiskers | It entirely comes down to the measures that countries take to protect their old folk, but yeah, it's still the general "flatten the curve" approach with emphasis on protecting the old. | 21:17 |
| mefistofeles | yes, I understand | 21:17 |
| HeXiLeD | Idris Elba infected but no signs https://twitter.com/idriselba/status/1239617034901524481?s=09 | 21:17 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Currently watching a series with Idris Elba | 21:17 |
| HeXiLeD | cherish them. He may not live :P | 21:18 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Has anyone in this chat room been actually tested positive with covid-19 and know how it feels like? | 21:19 |
| LjL | i'm not aware of any | 21:19 |
| LjL | at least none confirmed | 21:20 |
| Unregisterednick | With idris elba infected, what choice do we have? | 21:20 |
| Unregisterednick | chance* | 21:20 |
| LjL | famous people and politicians and the like shake a lot of hands, meet a lot of people | 21:20 |
| LjL | we have the chance of doing much less of that | 21:21 |
| LjL | and sometimes we are forced to do so by the army/police :P | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:16 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Daily Beast su Twitter: "The CDC announced that one of the agencyβs employees has tested positive for the coronavirus https://t.co/35x3IWvfjh" β https://is.gd/juyAK4 | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +657 cases (now 183637), +9 deaths (now 7160), +4 recoveries (now 78351) πΆ Spain: +514 cases (now 9942), +7 deaths (now 342) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +19 cases (now 45), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths | 21:21 |
| LjL | Spain is doing very badly so far | 21:23 |
| CUPID-19 | wonder why spain's recovery performance is so poor compared to its peers | 21:24 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Has this chat room had discussion on this arcticle?https://medium.com/@joschabach/flattening-the-curve-is-a-deadly-delusion-eea324fe9727 | 21:24 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From medium.com: Donβt βFlatten the Curve,β stop it! - Joscha Bach - Medium | 21:25 |
| ignatiusjreilly[ | Is that the one John Campbell referenced today? | 21:25 |
| corecode | joscha is a smart one | 21:25 |
| mefistofeles | I don't think he has the right number there, though | 21:28 |
| mefistofeles | numbers* | 21:28 |
| Alohomora | Spain start acting yesterday, need some days to see the effects | 21:29 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | It is too late anyways. If every country would have started a ful lockdown at mid jan this would be over already. | 21:30 |
| Alohomora | True. | 21:31 |
| mefistofeles | pale_moon22k[m]: most of them just couldn't afford that, just as not even now they are going for a full lockdown | 21:31 |
| mefistofeles | it is not that simple | 21:31 |
| CUPID-19 | there's a lot of people downplaying it, which doesn't help either | 21:31 |
| Abandoned | mayn cases in malaysia but the temperature there is around 36c, so the hot weather will kill the virus is just not real... | 21:32 |
| Unregisterednick | iT6s jUsT A flu Br3o. | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:24 UTC: Australia coronavirus latest: second federal MP tests positive βΒ live updates: Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; federal government considers further economic stimulus; and number of cases in Australia now more than 360. Follow all the latest [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 21:35 |
| ALT_F4 | https://foldingathome.org/2020/03/10/covid19-update/ | 21:37 |
| ALT_F4 | Not sure if anyone is folding, but i'm 1 hour away from my first project. | 21:38 |
| ALT_F4 | A few others here might want to get involved if your using a decent CPU/GPU | 21:38 |
| mefistofeles | heh | 21:38 |
| mefistofeles | cool | 21:38 |
| ALT_F4 | It also has a visualiser so you can watch your protein folding. | 21:39 |
| mefistofeles | I have my own biophysics project running, though | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | though the systems described there are not so big, tbh | 21:40 |
| ALT_F4 | Is it open? | 21:41 |
| RougeRR | mefistofeles, ? | 21:42 |
| RougeRR | you need gpu power? | 21:42 |
| mefistofeles | RougeRR: what do you mean? | 21:42 |
| RougeRR | i saw folding at home | 21:43 |
| mefistofeles | ALT_F4: it is for my thesis, fwiw | 21:43 |
| RougeRR | and i misread ALT_F4 | 21:43 |
| corecode | %cases malaysia | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 566 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 42 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. | 21:43 |
| RougeRR | i just got my PC case in the mail | 21:43 |
| RougeRR | got an rx480 gb to crank with it | 21:43 |
| RougeRR | 8gb | 21:43 |
| corecode | mefistofeles: yea he doesn't have the right numbers, but even an order of magnitude off is still way overloaded | 21:43 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data finland | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Finland, there are 278 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 10 recoveries as of March 16, 20:23Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 21:43 |
| mefistofeles | my project is using around 8000 processing cores as we speak :P | 21:44 |
| mefistofeles | fwiw | 21:44 |
| corecode | what are you doing? | 21:44 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: molecular dynamics of this protein... I can give you more details if you want | 21:44 |
| corecode | related to cov? | 21:45 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: nope, malaria | 21:45 |
| corecode | ok | 21:45 |
| mefistofeles | to be honest, the screening the pharmaceuticals do is more efficient than the MD simulations something like folding@home does, that said, it is still very precious for researchers to have that data, since commonly the data from pharmaceuticals is not open or available | 21:46 |
| bin_bash | Children's hospitals in the US are refusing to test children and don't have any tests available because, and this is a direct quote, "It does't affect children" | 21:47 |
| corecode | why test the children tho? | 21:47 |
| mefistofeles | bin_bash: link? or you heard that first hand? | 21:48 |
| jcay | not to infect their parents | 21:48 |
| jcay | or even worse, grandparents | 21:48 |
| corecode | will they stop infecting after being tested? | 21:48 |
| corecode | just treat them as infected | 21:48 |
| corecode | unless governments are starting to trace (difficult) or do a super wide test | 21:49 |
| bin_bash | mefistofeles: 2nd hand from someone i know irl trying to get their child tested in the hospital at this exact moment | 21:49 |
| corecode | i don't see how testing will help | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus updates: French citizens ordered to stay in their homes, as Canada closes borders to foreigners β live news β https://is.gd/qp8cGw | 21:49 |
| corecode | bin_bash: why would they think they should get their kid tested? | 21:49 |
| bin_bash | because they DON'T treat them as infected, corecode. they blow it off and say "it's just some respiratory virus, not covid" | 21:49 |
| corecode | there are more important people that need tests | 21:49 |
| bin_bash | because community spread is ubiquitous | 21:49 |
| corecode | like healthcare workers | 21:49 |
| bin_bash | Literally nobody can get tested right now. Not even healthcare workers, because there are no tests available. | 21:50 |
| mefistofeles | the more testing the better, but since there are no enough kits/tests available, yes... you have to use them wisely | 21:50 |
| corecode | i think i'd reserve the test for somebody who needs treatment | 21:50 |
| RougeRR | welp | 21:50 |
| RougeRR | french locked down | 21:50 |
| RougeRR | my brother decided not to come home while he still could | 21:50 |
| corecode | to pick which ward to put them in | 21:50 |
| bin_bash | corecode: it would be one thing if they were assuming positive asnd telling people to self-isolate, but that's NOT what's happening. Instead they're being told "It doesn't affect children, it's not COVID" | 21:50 |
| jcay | corecode: how can you stop the spreading if you test only part of them | 21:51 |
| mefistofeles | I fear I won't be able to leave Germany soon, and when I will be able, it would be worse in my home country xD | 21:51 |
| corecode | jcay: "social distancing", they say | 21:51 |
| bin_bash | mefistofeles: borders are closed in germany now | 21:51 |
| RougeRR | bin_bash, corecode | 21:51 |
| corecode | jcay: that's my point, until there is widespread testing, keep the tests for important cases | 21:51 |
| RougeRR | still business as usual in jersey | 21:51 |
| mefistofeles | bin_bash: for germans, not for everyone | 21:51 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, not even | 21:51 |
| RougeRR | had a nice walk through town | 21:52 |
| bin_bash | corecode: yes but the pediatricians are not recommending that, I think you missed that point. If they were, it would be less ofan issue. at this point i'm just assuming everyone has been exposed and i'm being extra cautious | 21:52 |
| RougeRR | bought some bread n coffee | 21:52 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 21:52 |
| jcay | aradesh: o/ | 21:53 |
| aradesh | for example, turning off switches, taps, opening doors :P | 21:53 |
| aradesh | hi | 21:53 |
| corecode | mefistofeles: this is getting old quick | 21:53 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: what is? | 21:53 |
| corecode | agreeing with me | 21:53 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: not really, I think I don't agree with you that often | 21:54 |
| mefistofeles | oh, but yeah, I remember the last one | 21:54 |
| corecode | :) | 21:54 |
| CUPID-19 | The third plague pandemic (1855β1859) started in China in the mid-19th century | 21:54 |
| corecode | <3 CUPID | 21:55 |
| CUPID-19 | same with second pandemic | 21:56 |
| CUPID-19 | coincidence all these global viruses originate in china? | 21:56 |
| mefistofeles | of course not, they have all these suspicious traditions and they are also a LOT of people | 21:57 |
| mefistofeles | now, the worse pandemic was the spanish flu, fwiw | 21:57 |
| corecode | china is big | 21:57 |
| CUPID-19 | russia is big, and so is india. nothing starts there | 21:58 |
| corecode | russia is low pop | 21:58 |
| CUPID-19 | india then | 21:58 |
| mefistofeles | density is key for disease to spread | 21:58 |
| Unregisterednick | Culture might play a part. Spitting to get rid of bad chi isn't great. | 21:59 |
| CUPID-19 | ^ | 21:59 |
| CUPID-19 | the world shouldn't have to keep paying | 22:00 |
| mefistofeles | corecode: oh please stop | 22:00 |
| mefistofeles | sorry, CUPID-19 | 22:00 |
| mefistofeles | I know where this is going | 22:00 |
| Unregisterednick | The only alternative is extremely negative. Unless you're suggesting we become a space faring species and go our own ways. | 22:00 |
| CUPID-19 | that's musk's idea | 22:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:53 UTC: Australia coronavirus latest: second federal MP tests positive βΒ live updates: Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; federal government considers further economic stimulus; and number of cases in Australia now more than 360. Follow all the latest [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 22:03 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/health/coronavirus-statistics-undetected.html | 22:03 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Stopping international air travel at jan 26 would have prevented pandemic but profits are more important than human lives | 22:03 |
| HeXiLeD | pale_moon22k[m]: indeed | 22:04 |
| HeXiLeD | ...next time. | 22:05 |
| CUPID-19 | it's the opportunistic politicians | 22:05 |
| CUPID-19 | china knew about corona a month before it made headlines | 22:06 |
| CUPID-19 | did nothing | 22:06 |
| Unregisterednick | 3.6 roentgen, not terrible, not great. | 22:06 |
| Unregisterednick | Those are the official numbers! | 22:06 |
| bin_bash | more than a month | 22:11 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, do you think that was going to be better in other countries? please... | 22:12 |
| mefistofeles | now CHina if anything is teaching Europe a lesson on how to deal with this | 22:13 |
| CUPID-19 | mefistofeles you're the one that didn't want to go down this road | 22:13 |
| bin_bash | how to not deal with it | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:09 UTC: Coronavirus latest: Trump says Americans should avoid gatherings of 10 or more β live: US gun and ammunition sales soar New York, New Jersey and Connecticut close bars and restaurants Coronavirus map: latest US cases See all our coronavirus coverage Support the Guardianβs independent journalism. Make a contribution β https://is.gd/9orTFg | 22:17 |
| mefistofeles | well, at least for both Italy, Spain, France and Germany, the cases curve was better in China when they hit the same numbers | 22:17 |
| xrogaan | mefistofeles: china isn't teaching europe anything | 22:17 |
| mefistofeles | s/both// | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles meant to say: well, at least for Italy, Spain, France and Germany, the cases curve was better in China when they hit the same numbers | 22:17 |
| xrogaan | China is a country, and the government at the head of the country is authoritarian. In that sense, the liberty of the individual is nil. | 22:17 |
| CUPID-19 | just got an email from my gym- they're closing indefinitely | 22:17 |
| skullomania | well until further notice | 22:18 |
| mefistofeles | xrogaan: I agree to that | 22:18 |
| skullomania | or they're going bankrupt | 22:18 |
| xrogaan | Europe got caught with their pants dropped, and it hurts. The governments of the different countries of Europe never believed the virus would spread that fast. | 22:18 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | I wonder how many human rights violations will be done under the martial law in the Europe | 22:18 |
| mefistofeles | xrogaan: yes, true, it is still a mystery afaik | 22:19 |
| xrogaan | We lost precious time by not facing the danger, and now we're in a hurry to teach people how not to behave. | 22:19 |
| skullomania | CUPID-19 you can still get the best workout of your life at your home | 22:19 |
| CUPID-19 | skullomania totally am | 22:19 |
| CUPID-19 | using nature always netted the best results | 22:20 |
| skullomania | im picking up two 45lbs plates tomorrow for 60 bucks | 22:20 |
| RougeRR | is there still alcohol for sale in europe? | 22:20 |
| xrogaan | pale_moon22k[m]: the danger is to not be able to restore our democracy once the virus got tamed. | 22:20 |
| CUPID-19 | yes, and europe is a very ambiguous usage in this context | 22:20 |
| skullomania | guys, you do realize they could come up with a vaccine next week that would solve all of this right? | 22:21 |
| mefistofeles | skullomania: no, that's not a possibility | 22:21 |
| CUPID-19 | europe encompasses vastly different states and cultures | 22:21 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | it is simply not possible | 22:21 |
| skullomania | everyone is so negative and it's not helping, awareness is good but not complete fear | 22:21 |
| xrogaan | It's not being negative, it's being realist. | 22:21 |
| mefistofeles | skullomania: that's just how vaccines work | 22:21 |
| skullomania | they're in human trials as i understand it right now | 22:22 |
| xrogaan | To develop a vaccine, you need a year, often more. | 22:22 |
| skullomania | we have made incredible advances in medicine | 22:22 |
| mefistofeles | skullomania: clinical trials, yes, that means there's still a LOT missing | 22:22 |
| xrogaan | Also, they could create a vaccine overnight. The problem isn't creating the vaccine, it is to ensure that it is working. | 22:22 |
| HeXiLeD | there are plenty of trial subjects | 22:22 |
| HeXiLeD | many willing to try | 22:23 |
| mefistofeles | HeXiLeD: still, needs time, there can be many long term effects they need to be sure won't happen | 22:23 |
| tinwhiskers | The last thing we need is a vaccine going bad and adding to the anti-vax movement | 22:23 |
| pwr22 | ALT_F4: I've got folding@home running on a bunch of a machines now ποΈ | 22:23 |
| HeXiLeD | true., but human nature being stupid as it as always been will skip stuff | 22:23 |
| HeXiLeD | and desperation | 22:23 |
| ALT_F4 | Good stuff pwr22! | 22:24 |
| skullomania | we just have to take measures to prevent further spread, it can be controlled, south korea is a good example | 22:24 |
| ALT_F4 | Slightly afk tonight... my turn to cook. | 22:24 |
| HeXiLeD | tinwhiskers: it has happened in the past. | 22:24 |
| skullomania | even if it's not widespread where you live, just take cautionary measures like washing hands and all the drill | 22:24 |
| ALT_F4 | Some real nice messages coming into our NHS inbox today. | 22:24 |
| ALT_F4 | Folk wanting to volunteer etc. | 22:25 |
| HeXiLeD | skullomania: what has SK done? i may have missed | 22:25 |
| CUPID-19 | and hope that rodents and other nearby animals don't carry it to you | 22:25 |
| skullomania | no more infections HeXiLeD | 22:25 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: Nice! It's folding corona? | 22:25 |
| mefistofeles | yes, Korea is a good example on how extensively testing helped, again, they had this since the last SARS outbreak | 22:25 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: yeah | 22:25 |
| ALT_F4 | Mine is folding corona at the moment, currently have 93.22% completion of the project i'm on. | 22:26 |
| pwr22 | Well various things to do with it | 22:26 |
| ALT_F4 | If anyone wants to join a team, PCmasterrace on reddit have set one up. team ID is 225605. | 22:26 |
| CUPID-19 | ALT_F4 what sofware are you using? | 22:26 |
| ALT_F4 | Maybe this chat should set one up. | 22:26 |
| ALT_F4 | Folding@home | 22:26 |
| dividediff[m] | I just read that american's should continue to donate blood. I'm not sure if this applies elsewhere, but i would think so! | 22:26 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Damm, my Sandy-Bridge is too old for that | 22:27 |
| dividediff[m] | Apparently corona require blood transfusions sometimes? | 22:27 |
| CUPID-19 | dividediff[m] for what demographic? | 22:27 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: do you know which jobs IDs you are running? | 22:27 |
| pwr22 | ALT_F4: I'm also on that team | 22:27 |
| HeXiLeD | skullomania: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/ +74 new today | 22:27 |
| Albright | I donated last week. | 22:27 |
| dividediff[m] | If anyone is looking to donate money to help, i found that the bill and melinda gates foundation is a pretty good place. | 22:27 |
| skullomania | HeXiLeD it's actually dropping as i understand it | 22:28 |
| dividediff[m] | CUPID-19: I did not read teh article in enough detail, but i'll link it here, 1 s | 22:28 |
| mefistofeles | skullomania: yes | 22:28 |
| dividediff[m] | CUPID-19: Blood donations are needed for corona still; "http://www.aabb.org/advocacy/regulatorygovernment/Pages/Coronavirus-and-Blood-Donation-Talking-Points.aspx" | 22:29 |
| pwr22 | mefistofeles: the projects? 14190, 14182, 11741 currently on the machines I can see currently running jobs | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +146 cases (now 183783), +3 deaths (now 7163), +12 recoveries (now 78363) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +26 cases (now 52), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital | 22:29 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: Maybe add the folding home initive here to the info part of the room? | 22:29 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: not really my call | 22:30 |
| CUPID-19 | dividediff[m] i see, it's not that people positive for corona need blood transfusions | 22:30 |
| dividediff[m] | Or LjL if s/he's around | 22:30 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: only one of those is related to sars-cov-2, fwiw, but still... nice | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:19 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Louisiana shuts down casinos β https://is.gd/G0WGpM | 22:30 |
| CUPID-19 | the article seems to be about eligibility of people to donate blood for whatever purpose | 22:31 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | Bill and Melinda gates donate a sum of money that appears to be large but in comparison to his total net worth his donations are the equivalent of a regular person giving 5$ to charity over a year | 22:31 |
| pwr22 | dividediff: it's in the pastebin https://dpaste.org/Oc2X | 22:31 |
| pwr22 | mefistofeles: yeah I've had a few non-cv ones | 22:31 |
| pwr22 | Think I've turned around a lot of work units in the past few days | 22:31 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: yeah, it's common | 22:32 |
| dividediff[m] | guilhermeesq: however small their contribution is, i think it's a reasonably trustworthy charity | 22:32 |
| pwr22 | My desktop seems to be failing to pick up any more jobs WUs atm | 22:32 |
| dividediff[m] | remember to disinfect your phones when you arrive home folks | 22:33 |
| RougeRR | hahhahahaha | 22:33 |
| RougeRR | https://assets.weforum.org/editor/bsjnPlSGraC3tGcdKn8FxPZ5gVQlFw62V6EjcLtUOxE.png | 22:33 |
| mefistofeles | there are some decisions that don't make me that glad about the folding@home jobs, many of them are based on homology using this SWISS modeller, that... imho... is not a very good one | 22:34 |
| astraliam[m] | anyone know where to find the whatsapp audio of italian medics on youtube? | 22:34 |
| bin_bash | Welp Madagascar has gone full plague inc... just closed their ports without any cases | 22:36 |
| bin_bash | that means humanty WON'T get wiped out! | 22:36 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada's minimum expected infection rate may be bumped from 30% to, 35% | 22:36 |
| dividediff[m] | Max infection rate still at 70% here | 22:36 |
| pwr22 | Yeah looks like I've turned around 39 WUs so far π | 22:36 |
| pwr22 | mefistofeles: go to be better than nothing though right? | 22:36 |
| pwr22 | Ah it's game over for SARS-COV-2 now | 22:36 |
| dividediff[m] | bin_bash: like irl? | 22:37 |
| bin_bash | dividediff[m]: yup | 22:37 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: that's the thing, pharmaceuticals already do better, we shouldn't do the minimum but actually try to catch up with the state of the art from pharmaceuticals | 22:37 |
| dividediff[m] | bin_bash: i only played the plague inc demo, but i think they did that in game too | 22:37 |
| bin_bash | yep exactly | 22:37 |
| bin_bash | it's a good sign for humanity | 22:37 |
| dividediff[m] | bin_bash: the game really evything right lol | 22:37 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: it is something for sure, just thinking if it could be better without much more effort | 22:37 |
| CUPID-19 | what's plague inc? | 22:37 |
| dividediff[m] | %cases madagascar | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ US: +141 cases (now 4455), +2 deaths (now 77), +1 recoveries (now 74) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +26 cases (now 52), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Territory, | 22:38 |
| pwr22 | mefistofeles: I'm unsure of the details of the modelling and implementation of FAH. Are there any superior distributed computational networks? | 22:39 |
| pwr22 | Like Rosetta@Home or whatever? | 22:39 |
| ryouma | %data tx | 22:39 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: for example, using models from better predictors, such as DeepMind or Zhang lab | 22:39 |
| ryouma | %cases tx | 22:39 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: it's not much of the computational performance, but the tools/techniques | 22:39 |
| ryouma | %cases az | 22:39 |
| ryouma | %cases ct | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Texas, US, there are 72 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 01:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Texas, US, there are 72 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 01:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Arizona, US, there are 18 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 16, 01:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Connecticut, US, there are 30 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 01:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | dividediff[m]: Sorry, madagascar not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 22:39 |
| pwr22 | <mefistofeles "Peter Roberts: it's not much of "> Yeah that's why I meant. Rosetta is on BOINC iirc | 22:40 |
| dividediff[m] | CUPID-19: it's a game for mobile/steam. You play as god and you design a pathogen to wipe out humanity basically. It shows human incomptence pretty well ha | 22:40 |
| dividediff[m] | CUPID-19: It's more like a simulation strategy game | 22:40 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: Rosetta does a different thing, they are not "competitors" fwiw | 22:40 |
| mefistofeles | they complement each other, if anything | 22:40 |
| pwr22 | The thing I like about FAH is that it's got about 100 petaflops of performance | 22:41 |
| mefistofeles | and I think Rosetta already had their results | 22:41 |
| pwr22 | Ah, I don't know enough to know what's what | 22:41 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: that's ok | 22:41 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | china stabilize or they just stop reporting? seems like they been at 80k for days | 22:41 |
| dividediff[m] | Info on madagascar is scare | 22:42 |
| dividediff[m] | v0idkr4ft: i believe stable. Wuhan is stable but the rest of china could receive corona back from other countries | 22:42 |
| ryouma | i recall playing some game exactly like that online | 22:43 |
| ryouma | i had to start from madagascar to win | 22:43 |
| ryouma | "win" | 22:44 |
| mefistofeles | ryouma: haha yes, commonly Madagascar and Greenland are the hardest | 22:44 |
| ryouma | i had no trouble with greenland | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 21:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buonasera a tutti. Ecco il vostro Recap per il 16 Marzo β https://is.gd/hkUwxV | 22:44 |
| dividediff[m] | when i played i just infect birds and it hits evywhere | 22:45 |
| CUPID-19 | we better hope this virus doesn't get carried by birds | 22:46 |
| bin_bash | there's already a new bird flu in china | 22:47 |
| bin_bash | 60% fatal in birds | 22:47 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada has at least 1 drive thru testing center | 22:48 |
| bin_bash | well it's a big country | 22:49 |
| dividediff[m] | Emailed trudeau and tried to contact my local reps earlier tdy | 22:50 |
| aradesh | LjL: time to find out if i order shopping now, when the earlier slot available is... | 22:50 |
| dividediff[m] | r these drive thru testing facilities common in the west? | 22:50 |
| mefistofeles | I don't think so | 22:50 |
| mefistofeles | I know Korea had those | 22:50 |
| mefistofeles | had/has | 22:50 |
| dividediff[m] | Well that's cool in a way, that canada is in the drive thru cool kids club now | 22:52 |
| bin_bash | ny had one but it was overwhelmed and had to shut down | 22:52 |
| dividediff[m] | Anyone think a gov will go i am legend style and blow up bridges to contain ppl? | 22:52 |
| bin_bash | lol | 22:53 |
| bin_bash | i hope not | 22:53 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "Anyone think a gov will go i am "> Somewhat pointless when people are infected on both sides | 22:54 |
| aradesh | LjL: no slots available at all :( | 22:55 |
| dividediff[m] | thats what i thought when they blew it up in teh movie. Well i expected it would realistically be on both sides in the movie | 22:55 |
| aradesh | says "We have limited delivery availability due to extremely high demand. We are doing everything we can to improve this situation, please check back regularly for latest availability." | 22:56 |
| LjL | aradesh, i had to order at 3am to get the site to work at all | 22:56 |
| RougeRR | discord is down | 22:57 |
| RougeRR | corona killed it | 22:57 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada has 1 ventilator per 100,000 ppl available atm. | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:42 UTC: Australia coronavirus latest: second federal MP tests positive βΒ live updates: Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; federal government considers further economic stimulus; and number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the latest [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 22:58 |
| lcpfnvcy | %data italy | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | lcpfnvcy: In all areas, Italy, there are 27980 cases, 2158 deaths (7.7% of cases), 2749 recoveries as of March 16, 17:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 23:00 |
| lcpfnvcy | %data india | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | lcpfnvcy: In all areas, India, there are 129 cases, 2 deaths (1.6% of cases), 13 recoveries as of March 16, 21:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 23:00 |
| dividediff[m] | jk "Public health authorities deploy emotionally absent fathers to teach social distancing" | 23:00 |
| Alohomora | %data Spain | 23:01 |
| Brainstorm | Alohomora: In all areas, Spain, there are 9942 cases, 342 deaths (3.4% of cases), 530 recoveries as of March 16, 20:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 23:01 |
| CUPID-19 | isn't the death to recovery ratio a more accurate metric? | 23:03 |
| berndj | CUPID-19, i thought so too at first, but that has big problems too. deaths immediately close a case, while recoveries could be arbitrarily delayed, and each country has its own idea of when a case gets reported as "recovered" | 23:05 |
| Timvde | In Belgium, that'd mean that there's a death rate of about 90% | 23:06 |
| Timvde | (we have 10 deaths, but only 1 case that's actually considered to be recovered) | 23:06 |
| jcay | I have heard that in Japan they barely test people | 23:06 |
| Timvde | Let's hope that's not the case | 23:06 |
| jcay | Timvde: no, if people die usually that happens before the normal people get healthy again and virus free | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ World: +144 cases (now 183974), +8 deaths (now 7171) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +26 cases (now 52), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +1 cas | 23:07 |
| Timvde | jcay: Yes, that's exactly what I mean | 23:08 |
| CUPID-19 | what's the average time (in days) that people who die have had the virus before dying? | 23:08 |
| Timvde | I was just confirming what berndj said | 23:08 |
| jcay | CUPID-19: I don't know | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:59 UTC: US coronavirus live: millions of Californians told to 'shelter-in-place': US gun and ammunition sales soar New York, New Jersey and Connecticut close bars and restaurants Coronavirus map: latest US cases See all our coronavirus coverage Support the Guardianβs independent journalism. Make a contribution β https://is.gd/9orTFg | 23:12 |
| dividediff[m] | The most fundamental function of a government is to keep its people safe. It is from this that it derives its authority, the confidence of the people and its legitimacy. Nobody should be under the illusion that this is something that can be dodged through somehow manipulating a virus that we are only beginning to understand. This will not pass you by; this is not a tornado, it is a hurricane. | 23:12 |
| dividediff[m] | Anyone here go to food banks? I've heard several are shutting down, in part cause the staff are mostly retirees | 23:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus updates: French citizens ordered to stay in their homes, as Canada closes borders to foreigners β live news β https://is.gd/qp8cGw | 23:20 |
| twomoon | %stats italy | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | RuntimeError: dictionary changed size during iteration (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/info.py", line 389, in stats) | 23:21 |
| LjL | New from r/WorldNews at 19:22 UTC: worldnews: Chinese billionaire Jack Ma donates to each one of the 54 African countries 20,000 testing kits, 100,000 masks and 1,000 medical use protective suits and face shields. β https://is.gd/kcC4vG | 23:23 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ US: +103 cases (now 4558), +8 deaths (now 85) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +26 cases (now 52), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australia: +80 cases (now 377), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +1 cases (now | 23:23 |
| LjL | there are a few synonyms for the command but %stats is not one of them | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 27980 cases, 2158 deaths (7.7% of cases), 2749 recoveries as of March 16, 17:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 23:25 |
| corecode | %data switzerland | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | corecode: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 2353 cases, 19 deaths (0.8% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 16, 22:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data. | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:22 UTC: First human trial for coronavirus vaccine begins Monday in the US: The trial is taking place at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, Washington, where cases have surged in recent weeks. β https://is.gd/dtppYQ | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:35 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Charly Edsitty su Twitter: "JUST IN: HARRIS County Judge @LinaHidalgoTX orders restaurants only offer take out options, no in-house dining and all bars & clubs must close. This starts tomorrow and lasts for 15 days. #Houston #CoronavirusOutbreak" β https://is.gd/UrQJuj | 23:36 |
| Biep[m] | > <@dividediff:matrix.org> What do you guys think of this statement: " bottom line is a prevented pandemic is | 23:45 |
| Biep[m] | > indistinguishable from a pointless overreaction " | 23:45 |
| Biep[m] | Sounds like the millennium bug activity. Lots of bugs were found and repaired, among which quite a few very serious ones, and when because of that not much happened the whole Y2K thing was considered a hoaxy hype. | 23:45 |
| bin_bash | Biep[m]: yup. millions were spent on preventing catastrophe and the thanks they got was "Y2K WAS A BIG NOTHING" | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | πΆ Australia: +104 cases (now 401), +2 deaths (now 5), +4 recoveries (now 27) πΈ Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 21) πΈ Albania: +9 cases (now 51) πΈ Algeria: +12 cases (now 60) πΈ Andorra: +12 cases (now 14) πΈ Argentina: +10 cases (now 56), +2 recoveries (now 3) πΈ Armenia: +26 cases (now 52), +1 recoveries (now 1) πΈ Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +1 cases (now 2) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +37 cases (no | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:49 UTC: Grand National 2020 cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak: Aintree race scheduled for 4 April is called off Coronavirus β latest updates See all our coronavirus coverage The Grand National at Aintree on 4 April, in which Tiger Roll had been expected to attempt an unprecedented third consecutive victory in the [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/uYBoCT | 23:52 |
| ryouma | i told somebody not to fly on exactly y2k. i don't know if i made the right decision. it of course went ok. but i wish i had not, if i knew it was safe enough. | 23:53 |
| iz | sf on lockdown starting tonight | 23:59 |
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