| AzumaHazuki | i have a question for gtk theming -- specifically, how does the "shade" operator work and in what colorspace? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/discussions/2508 | 01:59 |
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| GoatAvenger | AzumaHazuki, perhaps try #gtk? | 02:12 |
| GoatAvenger | I'd have no idea.. | 02:12 |
| AzumaHazuki | yup, asking in there | 02:13 |
| GoatAvenger | Last theming issue I had was attempting to modify a mate theme (high contrast inverse); I had no luck and assumed there was some kind of hard coded stuff going on that I never did figure out | 02:16 |
| GoatAvenger | prior to that, a config file worked as intended.. | 02:17 |
| GoatAvenger | some kind of theming engine was introduced or something, never figured it out, no info on the subject in queries.. | 02:17 |
| GoatAvenger | but, if QT is handling a part of the decoration of certain elements in LXQT, then, GTK changes, wouldn't have any effect on that separate system. That's about as much of a shot in the dark as I can offer. | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | shade is window shade - the window "rolls up" into the title bar. | 02:31 |
| fsmithred | ok, that's not the same shade | 02:32 |
| fsmithred | maybe golinux knows | 02:32 |
| AzumaHazuki | someone in #gtk said it's this https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/blob/gtk-3-24/gtk/gtkhsla.c#L186-203 | 02:52 |
| AzumaHazuki | i have noooooooooo idea how to do this in Inkscape. I see you can make HSV gradients but... | 02:52 |
| golinux | I have no idea about "shade" and if I did, I have thankfully forgotten . . . LOL! | 03:28 |
| TDRR | Hey. I've switched to Devuan on an old netbook, and it's working pretty fine. Until I power off the system, that is. XFCE shuts down fine, but then it gets stuck on the terminal login, and no input works. | 05:47 |
| TDRR | This is on Devuan 5, I used the live desktop installer. | 05:47 |
| rwp | How are you starting XFCE? Are you using a graphical login manager such as slim? | 06:01 |
| rwp | Try this. Try Control-F1 to get to the vt console 1 and then Control-Alt-Delete to trigger init to reboot. | 06:02 |
| TDRR | I've not changed the login manager from the default. | 06:05 |
| TDRR | I will try that, thanks. | 06:05 |
| rwp | IIRC the default will install slim as a graphical login manager (aka xdm X Display Manager) to handle the login. Then pass control to XFCE. | 06:12 |
| rwp | I honestly don't remember if I can shutdown from XFCE or not. I usually will log out first and then reboot from the display manager. My system is older and upgraded and so it is still using the previous lightdm display manager. | 06:13 |
| TDRR | I was already on tty1 and pressing CTRL+Alt+Del didn't do anything at all unfortunately. | 06:14 |
| TDRR | Switching to the others also doesn't really do anything at all. | 06:14 |
| rwp | I am old-school so I enable Zap (Control-Alt-Backspace kills X) and so often Control-Alt-Backspace Control-Alt-F1 Control-Alt-Delete to reboot. It has a rhythm to the keys. | 06:15 |
| TDRR | (but it does switch, the line at the top saying "Debian GNU/Linux ... tty1" changes to tty2 and such) | 06:15 |
| rwp | Which init system did you install? Control-Alt-Delete is a default "shutdown -r now" in sysvinit's /etc/inittab but probably is not with Runit or OpenRC. | 06:15 |
| TDRR | SysVInit, the default. | 06:16 |
| TDRR | I really didn't change much of anything. | 06:16 |
| rwp | Hmm... Then it should work. You should see "ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now" in /etc/inittab for it. | 06:16 |
| TDRR | Oh something shows now. | 06:16 |
| TDRR | Hung on wpa_supplicant, ntpd, network manager and ifdown. | 06:17 |
| rwp | Stuck on them? How odd! Did you configure anything interesting with networking? And Network-Manager and ifupdown are competing tools so it would normally be one or the other. | 06:18 |
| TDRR | Nothing at all I don't think. | 06:18 |
| TDRR | Installed, connected to internet (which works fine too), and simply installed a handful of unrelated packages. | 06:19 |
| TDRR | I did install the i386 version of Firefox-ESR but did that really pull in those packages? | 06:19 |
| rwp | What architecture did you install? Type in "arch". | 06:20 |
| TDRR | amd64 host with i386 as foreign. | 06:20 |
| rwp | Then... Why the i386 version of firefox-esr? | 06:21 |
| rwp | Sorry. I know you did not expect me to play Twenty Questions when you mentioned that tidbit. But it seems quite an unusual thing to do. | 06:21 |
| TDRR | It saves some RAM, which comes in handy when you're dealing with 2GBs of RAM sadly. | 06:21 |
| rwp | 2GB of RAM is a little tight for any of the web browsers. They are all such pigs. | 06:22 |
| TDRR | I'd install 32-bit Devuan entirely but that's simply not a straightforward option. Almost no 32-bit distros run on this netbook's 64-bit only UEFI. | 06:23 |
| rwp | I am hoping you configured a little swap to go along with it so that the kernel could page out all of the unused pages to give you the maximum ram use. | 06:23 |
| rwp | Unfortunately almost every distro either has already dropped or is dropping 32-bit support. :-( | 06:23 |
| TDRR | Of course. 5GB. Performance is totally fine, but I want to fix the shutdown issue. | 06:24 |
| TDRR | And yeah unfortunate the drop in support. | 06:24 |
| rwp | TDRR, Join us in #devuan-offtopic so we can chat about it and free up the support channel here. | 06:24 |
| TDRR | Alright, sorry. | 06:25 |
| rwp | Nothing to be sorry about! It's interesting discussion but we are drifting around and it's the preferred etiquette here to do that in the offtopic channel. | 06:27 |
| tux2bsd | Latest stable Devuan kernel has drbd 8.x. Userland drbd-utils 9.x. Meaning if you attempt to configure via drbd (9) howtos the configs won't parse. | 11:00 |
| tux2bsd | got the clue about what was wrong from here: https://serverfault.com/questions/1085418/in-drbd-9-cant-parse-node-id-or-connection | 11:01 |
| tux2bsd | I guess I configure for drbd8.x and hope the userland utils are backwards compatible | 11:06 |
| cousin_luigi | Where could I find a list of the additional packages devuan uses compared to regular debian? | 13:23 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: the forked ones? there might be a better way to do this, but they're the ones under the /devuan/ top-level directory in the repo. debian ones are under /debian/, and /merged/ has both | 13:28 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: where, on a devuan mirror? | 13:32 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: yep, any of them. try http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 13:35 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: Well, I think I want /devuan | 13:36 |
| gnarface | er, yea | 13:36 |
| cousin_luigi | But since I'm here, any hint on how to identify what's preventing a volume to be remounted as read-only? lsof was of limited usefulness | 13:36 |
| gnarface | hmm, seems odd, only thing i could think of is maybe it's not a unix filesystem? | 13:37 |
| gnarface | or, remounted... maybe it's the remount part not the read-only part. maybe something is accessing it? | 13:38 |
| cousin_luigi | It's something I'm trying to import from my old sysv debian install | 13:39 |
| gnarface | incidentally, the devuan packages all have "devuan" in the version string | 13:39 |
| cousin_luigi | it's meant to allow you to run / as ro for protection against power failures. I've used it for years. | 13:39 |
| gnarface | make sure you don't have a shell prompt visiting the mount point | 13:40 |
| cousin_luigi | basically one gives it a list of rw paths (like /var/log) and it will mount them as tmpfs and sync them on startup/shutdown | 13:40 |
| cousin_luigi | but it doesn't work on devuan | 13:40 |
| gnarface | and you're doing this as root? | 13:41 |
| cousin_luigi | of course | 13:41 |
| cousin_luigi | I see tmpfs mounted directories, the only additional thing I see on devuan is cgroups2 (IIRC) | 13:41 |
| gnarface | i'm outta ideas, but stick around, someone's gotta know | 13:42 |
| gnarface | usually if something doesn't work in devuan that works in debian that's not dependent on systemd then the problem is permissions | 13:42 |
| cousin_luigi | That's basically the last missing bit before migrating. | 13:47 |
| cousin_luigi | It works with only /var/log and /var/tmp (?) but as soon as I add /var/lib/dhcp, mount -o remount,ro / will complain | 13:49 |
| rrq | restart dhclient? | 13:53 |
| cousin_luigi | I killed it | 14:01 |
| buZz | cousin_luigi: any errors? | 14:01 |
| cousin_luigi | none so far, I suspect dhclient must be started after this script | 14:02 |
| cousin_luigi | but that's no biggie, it's the dhcp server that will need to use that directory | 14:02 |
| cousin_luigi | how do I restart dhclient from a script? | 14:02 |
| buZz | SIGHUP or something? | 14:03 |
| buZz | likely has some signal | 14:03 |
| cousin_luigi | oh taht | 14:03 |
| cousin_luigi | that | 14:03 |
| buZz | cant see one in manpage though | 14:03 |
| buZz | > mount -o remount,ro / will complain | 14:04 |
| cousin_luigi | that's launched by networking, amirite? | 14:04 |
| buZz | whats the complaint? :D | 14:04 |
| cousin_luigi | mount: /: mount point is busy. dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call. | 14:04 |
| cousin_luigi | Anyway it seems to be working now and since this is meant to work as a router, it won't have any use for dhclient | 14:04 |
| cousin_luigi | perhaps I could try aufs or unionfs to see if it makes a difference, but that's nitpicking | 14:05 |
| djph | dhcp server also has to write back to / | 14:06 |
| cousin_luigi | yes, but isc is launched after this script | 14:07 |
| cousin_luigi | (and I'll have to find out why kea won't work, but that's a story for another day) | 14:07 |
| cousin_luigi | anyone using kea with static leases? Could use some hint. | 14:08 |
| buZz | cousin_luigi: ah yeah, i guess 'open write/append filehandle' would cause that | 14:14 |
| debdog | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6f3b7fee/ is this a general problem or just the server roundrobin pointed me to? | 16:20 |
| debdog | ok, another PC ran through update without problems | 16:25 |
| debdog | some german server has an expired thingy | 16:34 |
| debdog | (how many german servers are there?) | 16:35 |
| djph | seven | 17:15 |
| djph | .. wait, wrong channel :/ | 17:16 |
| TDRR | rwp: it was firefox-esr:i386 after all! | 20:59 |
| TDRR | Replaced it with the amd64 package and lo and behold, no issue at shutdown. Not a big loss, I can still use it fine with the NoScript extension. Thanks for the help. | 21:01 |
| rwp | TDRR, There were several problems getting discussed. It was firefox-esr:i386 for which of them? | 21:01 |
| rwp | Shutdown! Oh good. Glad you were able to figure it out. | 21:01 |
| rwp | That's not a case that most of us would be able to figure out since I for one am not running a multi-arch environment. | 21:01 |
| TDRR | I can imagine, it's a rare case. Devuan works perfectly now anyway so I'm super glad all is sorted out. Thanks again, this is a great distro. | 21:02 |
| rwp | Awesome! So glad to hear things are working well for you now. Good! | 21:03 |
| gnarface | debdog: yea, cannot reproduce now, so maybe it was just that one mirror or maybe your system time is wrong? | 21:49 |
| tux2bsd | made a few comments about DRBD last night. More here if anyone finds that stuff interesting: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6247 | 23:50 |
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