libera/#neo900/ Monday, 2018-08-20

houkimeofftopic - omg, have just read about Kerbal Space Program controversy with new owners TakeTwo spying on users via game and having a bs eula... And there're people who say we don't really need opensource gaming... Turns out we need.02:34
houkimeTakeTwo even went as far as to claim their ownership on the modder content in what looks like an attempt to prevent a new foss spacegame hatching from open modded assets and scripts.02:54
OksanaThat's like... Don't publish your photographs/anything on Internet unless you have read EULA/Terms&Conditions, and have seen that you are the owner of your content.03:19
OksanaIn short, common sense.03:19
houkimeI believe some of modded stuff is even on github under gpl3 or similar but still this corp is claiming sth. I guess what's on github is relatively safe as TakeTwo should not win a lawsuit under any sane jurisdiction.03:24
houkimeLike it is if I proclaim myself an owner of Linux.03:24
houkime*an exclusive rights owner.03:25
houkimeand try to make any copy illegal without my blessing03:25
houkimethe thing is they proclaim their ownership AFTER the mods are made.03:27
houkimebecause they weren't a game owners when modders were starting up. They are the new ones.03:28
houkimeso technically KSP community still can start their own game with modded assets that were properly licensed and that they already have. Not sure they would do that though.03:33
houkimeIt was a thing with Portal2 though when modmakers branched off and made their own gamestudio (partly reusing modded assets) so it is not impossible.03:34
* Oksana is not interested in computer games - waste of time, and increase obesity due to the encouraged sedentary life-style. But that's my personal opinion, and I tend to be very opinionated at times.03:38
houkimeI personally think that games and fiction is just another form of planning and presenting/simulating concepts.03:40
OksanaPossibly. I am well familiar with concept of spending lots of time on fiction - reading is one of my favourite pastimes.03:41
* Oksana looks at and wonders where FM TX/RX is connected to 3.5mm - FM receiver uses 3.5mm headset as antenna, doesn't it?03:42
OksanaAh, here. FM_ANT03:44
houkimeemm... Why should it use a headset as antenna? There is just an antenna for that.03:45
houkimeit has a place on the pcb and I actually showed it in my video03:45
OksanaFM transmitter has internal antenna. FM receiver always uses headphone as antenna for reception.03:45
OksanaTransmitting FM for a short distance is doable with tiny internal antenna. Receiving FM from a far away station is better done with long whip-like antenna - aka, headphone.03:46
houkimehmmm. This makes sense03:47
OksanaTransmitting FM via an external antenna would have broken the regulations, probably, due to jamming the radio waves. Hence, transmitting via internal antenna only.03:47
OksanaQuestion: Can Neo900 play radio when OS/CPU is shut down? Because has the functionality for it.03:48
DocScrutinizer05yes, makes sense and Oksana has it 10% correct03:49
DocScrutinizer05100 even03:49
OksanaOne of obvious use-cases would be to have radio-alarm (and yes, alarm can already ring when OS/CPU is shut down; but it rings currently from an audio file)03:49
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: I tried to implement it this way (play radio without CPU support) but I forgot if I achieved it03:50
* Oksana points to 03:50
DocScrutinizer05prolly I did03:50
DocScrutinizer05wait wait. what? Radio Alarm?03:50
OksanaYes. Like, ordinary clock+alarm devices have radio-alarm functionality built-in, most of the time. But they all need 240V power supply.03:51
DocScrutinizer05iirc we have the FM radio in/out simply in parallel to line-in/out03:52
DocScrutinizer05so if that's true, you could even hook your home stereo to 3.5mm line-out and play FM radio with CPU powered down ;-D03:52
OksanaSince alarm can wake up N900/Neo900 even when OS/CPU is shut down, and radio can be played even when OS/CPU is shut down, it means that it is possible for wake-up alarm to play radio instead of audio file.03:52
DocScrutinizer05which alarm could "wake up N900/Neo900 even when OS/CPU is shut down" (and stays shut down, and how)?03:53
OksanaNot sure about "stays shut down", because alarm usually asks user "Switch on the device? Yes/No"03:54
DocScrutinizer05any RTC alarm would simply power up or nonmaskable-IRQ the CPU03:54
DocScrutinizer05and yes, CPU then notices it been woke up by RTC alarm and pops up such a requester if needed03:55
OksanaHmm, so CPU has already woken up due to alarm, partially. Just hasn't loaded the whole OS/desktop, yet?03:56
DocScrutinizer05actually the question is misleading, should be "keep the device powered up, or go to power-down state again?"03:56
DocScrutinizer05sorry, afk again03:57
DocScrutinizer05I'm busted03:57
OksanaRest well :-)03:58
houkimewpwrak says that he doesn't have enough time so I'm currently trying to make eeshow to work with both kicad5 and kicad403:59
DocScrutinizer05re FM ant: I changed that a bit, so both FM RX and TX whould work via internal and headset whip antenna, though to a massively different degree of functionality03:59
OksanaHuh, fascinating...04:00
DocScrutinizer05plus internal had 3rd function for WWAN MIMO04:01
DocScrutinizer05in 3G04:01
OksanaCurrently reading , I guess USB PHY is used in Neo900 (unlike N900), because TWL5030B is connected to USB#0 (and modem to USB#1 and hackerbus to USB#2)?04:03
Oksana>> MIMO has become an essential element of wireless communication standards including IEEE 802.11n (Wi-Fi), IEEE 802.11ac (Wi-Fi), HSPA+ (3G), WiMAX (4G), and Long Term Evolution (LTE 4G). <<04:04
DocScrutinizer05houkime: great04:05
houkimethe changes are in sch files and .pro and they are related to symbol lookup in libraries.04:07
houkimeso basically there needs to be 2 lookup modes now separate for kicad4 an kicad504:08
DocScrutinizer05yes, AND the tricky story starts with version control system aka git, and the correlating between lib component version and project file schematics version04:57
DocScrutinizer05IOW when you open a schematics from Dec 2017, you want the symbols from Dec 2017 which originally been used when the schematics got drawn04:58
DocScrutinizer05kicad has a few concepts in this regard that are invented by a troll with a gas brain.05:00

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