| sixwheeledbeast | obs can act a bit odd sometimes, it's mostly resolved by being persistent with it. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| crhylove | sixwheeledbeast, Yeah, I've been a long time OBS user. | 00:04 |
| crhylove | This version the chroma key seems to work better... But maybe I will build the newer one. | 00:04 |
| crhylove | Any chance a newer one can get added to the repos before beowulf? | 00:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that's all down to debian and the package maintainers | 00:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bullseye and sid have the latest release from what i can tell. | 00:07 |
| crhylove | Would be great to steal a couple of small items from Mint for Devuan. | 00:08 |
| crhylove | Some of the Mate Config items.... | 00:08 |
| crhylove | But man, Devuan is running great for me! | 00:08 |
| crhylove | https://youtu.be/qC42UYUDdf0 | 00:09 |
| gnu_srs | fsmithred:,krypton: I did also see from dmesg that udevd is started 3 times, see https://paste.debian.net/1150638/. The first two shouldn't. Where does this come from? | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | krypton is booting an upgraded installed system (ascii to beowulf) and I'm booting a live-dvd | 00:12 |
| fsmithred | and if I boot to ram the problem doesn't happen (whole squashfs gets read into ram) | 00:13 |
| * ShorTie Thinkz, that sounds funky | 00:52 | |
| sauron- | need help. searched in internet but couldnt find the answer. i need to delete (not just hide them, actually delete those lines from the file) except the last line | 01:31 |
| sauron- | for example: grep 'tree' story . now from that result delete ALL (not hide) except the last one | 01:34 |
| gnarface | sauron-: try sed or awk, grep is more for passive filtering | 02:12 |
| yeti | grep 'tree' story | tail -1 # ? | 02:45 |
| sauron- | yeti again, tail 'hides' the results, i need to delete the rest of the lines from the file | 02:56 |
| yeti | redirect to a tmpfile | 02:57 |
| yeti | mv tmpfile original | 02:57 |
| sauron- | delete/erase those lines and keep only the last one | 02:57 |
| yeti | I bet sed can do it directly somehow but I nearly dont use at alll | 02:58 |
| syco- | sed -n '$p' | 03:02 |
| sauron- | checking.... | 03:03 |
| syco- | but same as with tail .. create tmpfile, the overwrite as yeti suggested | 03:05 |
| syco- | s/the/then | 03:05 |
| sauron- | ok | 03:11 |
| sauron- | thanks | 03:12 |
| Wafficus | Hi there, question about the Question Regarding Devuan Beowulf's ISO: Does anyone know which one is the minimal net installer? Is it the "installer-iso" or the "minimal-live" one? | 03:28 |
| fsmithred | Wafficus, I think you want the netinstall iso. | 03:59 |
| g4570n | Wafficus: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso | 03:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that one | 03:59 |
| some_alex | hi! I don't see options to install current testing and unstable on the mirrors. Aren't there any ISOs for these releases yet? | 04:23 |
| g4570n | you can upgrade form stable (beowulf) or use the mini.iso | 04:27 |
| gnarface | some_alex: it's not usual for there ever to actually be official installers for those releases, the advised method is to upgrade from stable or debootstrap from a live iso | 04:33 |
| gnarface | some_alex: (or just use the live installer of course) | 04:34 |
| gnarface | some_alex: the mini.iso is very useful if you don't want a gui for this | 04:35 |
| bsd4me | I run refracta beowulf but since beowulf is now stable, would there be any problem if I changed my sources.list from beowulf to testing? | 04:38 |
| nemo | fsmithred: ooh. I've got another fun gaming-related linux issue after going back to amdgpu-pro after last night's failed attempt at using the upstream FOSS stuff with Beowulf | 04:38 |
| nemo | fsmithred: Planetary Annihilation a few days ago decided to shift to gcc9 | 04:39 |
| nemo | ./PA: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.26' not found (required by ./PA) | 04:39 |
| fsmithred | bsd4me, use codenames | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | chimaera | 04:40 |
| nemo | so... I was curious if it's even possibly to install gcc-9 alongside gcc-8 on Beowulf | 04:40 |
| nemo | or, if I should just focus on hacking something together with LD_LIBRARY_PATH or using their "install old versions of game" tool | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | upgrades from beowulf to chimaera are untested, so let us know if it works | 04:40 |
| bsd4me | fsmithred: ok, thanks | 04:40 |
| bsd4me | Will do :) | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | I did make a chimaera live iso a couple days ago | 04:41 |
| fsmithred | just as a test | 04:41 |
| bsd4me | will go through the upgrade and note how it goes | 04:41 |
| fsmithred | take a look at current notes for upgrades and migrations to beowulf | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | there might be some relevant issues | 04:42 |
| bsd4me | oh, ok. Will read | 04:42 |
| nemo | hmmmm chimaera does have gcc-9... | 04:42 |
| nemo | would it be a bad idea to put that on a computer the whole family is using? | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | yeah, probably bad idea | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | we just started working on it | 04:43 |
| nemo | aight | 04:43 |
| nemo | fsmithred: do you know if force-installing dpkg -i or whatev gcc-9 from chimaera would also break all the things? | 04:44 |
| fsmithred | and it's same as bullseye, so debian is still working on it, too | 04:44 |
| nemo | or if they are intended for side by side deploy... I see gcc-6 is in beowulf... | 04:44 |
| fsmithred | gcc-8 in beowulf | 04:45 |
| fsmithred | and gcc-7 | 04:45 |
| bsd4me | I have to reboot, so will change sources.list to chimaera and see what it wants apt wants to do before doing upgrade itself. See which gcc it wants to upgrade to. | 04:46 |
| nemo | fsmithred: oh. I was seeing 6 too. well, anyway, guess I'll dig up the chimaera package, install it, and cross my fingers | 04:47 |
| nemo | at worst hopefully I just break, I dunno, dkms or something | 04:47 |
| bsd4me | bbl | 04:47 |
| nemo | hm. maybe just the chimaera libstdc++ | 04:47 |
| nemo | huh. that's weird. devuan package search isn't finding libstdc++ in chimaera. that seems unlikely | 04:48 |
| nemo | well. maybe related to that "just started working on it" ☺ | 04:49 |
| Wafficus | Question regarding changing over an existing computer with Debian minimal installation Buster to Devuan. Could this process brick my computer? I ask because I could just easily backup my stuff and redo the entire disk with the Devuan ISO | 04:49 |
| Wafficus | however, I wanted to know how effective it would be to literally just swap out Debian Buster with Devuan Beowulf, and if systemd is truly nuked from the computer during the process | 04:50 |
| nemo | Wafficus: I tried ubuntu 14.04 to ascii and it was not pretty... | 04:50 |
| nemo | Wafficus: I ended up just moving home to a nice safe partition and reinstalling system fresh | 04:50 |
| gnarface | nemo: you could make a chroot to run steam from that has gcc9 | 04:50 |
| fsmithred | Wafficus, use this: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf | 04:50 |
| nemo | gnarface: ugh... soooo messsy. esp since PA *can* be run outside of steam. they even made a tool for it | 04:51 |
| gnarface | nemo: (or PA from, but i assume you're doing this through steam) | 04:51 |
| Wafficus | hmm that's a good idea to just move the home directory, that's a neat idea | 04:51 |
| Wafficus | never thought of that | 04:51 |
| Wafficus | I think Distrotube mentioned that on a recent video to easily swap between distros | 04:51 |
| nemo | gnarface: https://support.planetaryannihilation.com/kb/faq.php?id=269 they linked me to this as a suggestion, which is my fallback plan | 04:51 |
| Wafficus | to like place your /home directory on its own drive | 04:51 |
| nemo | Wafficus: yeah, it's way more convenient. you can always just reinstall the tools you need as you run into them | 04:51 |
| Wafficus | fsmithred: yes, I've seen this. Looks straight forward | 04:51 |
| fsmithred | really, follow the guide if you're going to migrate from bustser to beowulf | 04:52 |
| nemo | Wafficus: think of it as a way of ditching junk packages | 04:52 |
| fsmithred | there are a couple of non-intuitive points | 04:52 |
| Wafficus | interesting. Honestly, the Devuan installer is EXACTLY like the Debian min installer, so I've done it a few times, pretty good stuff | 04:52 |
| Wafficus | pretty happy its the same tbh | 04:52 |
| nemo | gnarface: hm. chroot seems like a lot of convolution, would be awesome if I could just use LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but I guess worst case.. | 04:52 |
| Wafficus | wouldn't mind nuking the drive first to do so you know | 04:52 |
| gnarface | nemo: another option would be to just upgrade the whole thing to chimera or ceres but i can't tell you for sure that a chroot won't save more trouble in the long run (especially if something goes wrong) | 04:53 |
| nemo | gnarface: yeah, I trust fsmithred telling me that would be bad times | 04:54 |
| gnarface | nemo: unfortunately steam handles LD_LIBRARY_PATH wrong so it's useless... sometimes i have managed to get LD_PRELOAD to do what i need though instead | 04:55 |
| nemo | gnarface: I'm trying to organise my optinons... "play other stuff" "use their tool to fetch/install pre-2020-05 PA" "hack at ld_library_path" "force install a dpkg from... somewhere... with gcc-9 libstdc++ and cross my fingers" ... | 04:55 |
| nemo | gnarface: well. I'm pretty sure I can just run it from commandline | 04:55 |
| nemo | gnarface: it's not like I actually want to use steam ☺ | 04:55 |
| nemo | gnarface: preload is indeed awesomesauce. I used it to patch my IPv6 years ago when linux failed hard at it | 04:55 |
| nemo | gnarface: (load in a patched function with the appropriate flags) | 04:56 |
| gnarface | nemo: yea but the problem is the ripple effect of all the games being programmed to compensate for whatever whack thing Steam is doing, so they in turn still munge it badly in most cases, from what i have gathered (ymmv) | 04:56 |
| gnarface | then if the game has it's own sub-launcher things get really much worse | 04:56 |
| gnarface | but i think PA does not | 04:57 |
| nemo | gnarface: ever played it? | 04:57 |
| nemo | ooooh that reminds me. gotta get Spring on this computer | 04:57 |
| nemo | let's see what version beowulf has | 04:57 |
| gnarface | nemo: yes, i'm a big fan but empirical evidence suggests it's programmed rather badly. how did you get it working on AMD in the first place? | 04:57 |
| nemo | gnarface: I haven't yet | 04:58 |
| nemo | I used to play it on nvidia | 04:58 |
| nemo | this is my first AMD attempt | 04:58 |
| gnarface | nemo: oh i see. i wish you luck then | 04:58 |
| nemo | well. AMD cpu... but I assume that's not what you meant :p | 04:58 |
| gnarface | nemo: well i'm playing it on ceres because stable nvidia drivers fall behind by years at a time | 04:58 |
| nemo | gnarface: that's why I did the amdgpu-pro thing - it seems to be working rather well for my limited selection of "demanding" games | 04:59 |
| gnarface | nemo: i had heard reports of game-breaking polygon rendering glitches in PA with amdgpu | 04:59 |
| nemo | uhoh | 04:59 |
| nemo | well. we'll see | 05:00 |
| bsd4me | I have both gcc 6 and gcc 8 installed, so apt wants to install gcc 9 | 05:00 |
| nemo | "play other stuff" is an option | 05:00 |
| gnarface | nemo: yea that was a while back but you haven't gotten gotten that far yet | 05:00 |
| nemo | gnarface: Spring *is* rather nice and I haven't tried 1944 in a while, looks like it's a lot more playable these days | 05:00 |
| nemo | shame their stable release is so old | 05:00 |
| nemo | since naturally that's exactly what devuan used ☺ | 05:00 |
| Wafficus | has anyone gotten Steam to work decently? | 05:01 |
| Wafficus | I ask because I would be willing to have a totally different Steam based partition for games and emulators for Devuan on another drive | 05:02 |
| nemo | Wafficus: depends what you're looking for. | 05:02 |
| nemo | seems fine for me | 05:02 |
| nemo | Wafficus: I don't mess aroudn with wine ofc | 05:02 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: very subjective, i can tell you that over 80% of my games usually work on ceres with the latest nvidia drivers | 05:02 |
| nemo | Wafficus: only games currently running in wine are some nostalgia ones (Warcraft III, Spore for the kids) and Untitled Goose | 05:03 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: (which ones tend to vary at any given time, but there are definitely some that break more often than others) | 05:03 |
| nemo | Wafficus: if you're not on nvidia, this was where I was yesterday. https://m8y.org/tmp/amdgpu.html | 05:03 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: oh, and their new proton thing is very handy if you don't want to mess with wine | 05:04 |
| Wafficus | mostly for Steam Proton | 05:04 |
| Wafficus | As much as I don't mind tweaking my linux comps | 05:04 |
| Wafficus | I for one can't stand trying to tweak a game just to work | 05:04 |
| Wafficus | I just want to double click and play, no questions asked | 05:04 |
| man_in_shack | steam proton sounds like a malaysian car | 05:04 |
| Wafficus | however, I only casually play them to be honest | 05:04 |
| nemo | Wafficus: it's a liiiittle annoying which is why I tend to stick to the Linux ones on steam. but my daughter really really really wanted to play untitled goose ☺ | 05:04 |
| Wafficus | so its not like an imperative thing. | 05:04 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: well, it's going to be disappointing in that regard compared to windows, but the ones that work well really shine for performance usually | 05:05 |
| nemo | I wish steam would filter their offers to linxu only | 05:05 |
| nemo | or offer it as an option | 05:05 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: if you do it, make sure you use the package in the devuan repo NOT the one from the steam website | 05:06 |
| Wafficus | gnarface: yeah I know, luckily the games I kind of sometimes play aren't too too demanding | 05:06 |
| Wafficus | mostly the building type games like Minecraft, Terraria, Stardew Valley. I do like the Warriors Orochi games though | 05:07 |
| Wafficus | however, I've kind of out grown the need honestly, and its like a sometimes thing | 05:07 |
| Wafficus | I'm more into emulators if I'm in that mood anyway, so its not a deal breaker | 05:07 |
| man_in_shack | craftview terravalley | 05:07 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: well, let me know if you need help with it, a large amount of the issues just boil down to untracked dependencies, or version conflicts | 05:08 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: sometimes you have to add some junk to a particular game's launch options | 05:08 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: sometimes you have to force it to use the system libSDL2 | 05:08 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: stuff like that | 05:08 |
| Wafficus | gnarface: gotcha | 05:09 |
| Wafficus | gnarface: cool, I appreciate that | 05:09 |
| Wafficus | yeah for now, I have my Steam install on my Arch partition on the desktop | 05:09 |
| Wafficus | however that has blowed up so many times from me literally doing nothing that I am thinking about just abandoning that partition and wiping it | 05:10 |
| Wafficus | the Arch install was a learning experience though | 05:10 |
| gnarface | hehe, a learning experience in risk aversion, eh? | 05:10 |
| Wafficus | when I asked about that issue too, it most likely is a Nvidia video card driver issue which is weird since I had the latest drivers on that machine | 05:10 |
| Wafficus | yeah possibly | 05:10 |
| Wafficus | honestly, I just liked the whole Debian way | 05:10 |
| Wafficus | stability, never have to check on it | 05:10 |
| Wafficus | yeah, you got old packages that are annoying | 05:10 |
| nemo | Wafficus: Factorio? | 05:11 |
| Wafficus | but man, at least the damn thing will boot if needed | 05:11 |
| gnarface | nvidia driver issues do plague the gaming experience but overall the least of all their competitors | 05:11 |
| Wafficus | nemo: what? | 05:11 |
| nemo | Wafficus: building type game that is linux friendly | 05:11 |
| nemo | not sure if that's your kind of building tho | 05:11 |
| gnarface | oh yea, factorio worked right out of the box, no tweaking | 05:11 |
| Wafficus | ah I see never played it | 05:11 |
| nemo | gnarface: there's a freenode channel too ☺ | 05:12 |
| nemo | fan one I think | 05:12 |
| nemo | gnarface: KSP worked out of the box too | 05:12 |
| Wafficus | the only game that was kind of slight crashing was that Warriors Orochi 4 game though which was kind of disappointing | 05:12 |
| gnarface | nemo: KSP does not work out of the box if you don't have pulseaudio installed | 05:12 |
| Wafficus | as I would prefer to play that on PC with a better framerate than on my Switch or something | 05:12 |
| nemo | gnarface: meh. | 05:12 |
| nemo | gnarface: libpulse surely works? | 05:12 |
| nemo | as interface to alsa | 05:13 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: oh yea, not having pulseaudio installed is a common tripping point for a few games but i've managed to avoid actually being forced to run it with some trickery | 05:13 |
| nemo | gnarface: frankly if you don't have pulseaudio installed you'll have run into need for libpulse interface well before that. firefox for example now uses pulse api only | 05:13 |
| gnarface | nemo: you have to symlink libpulse to /dev/null then force it to use that | 05:13 |
| gnarface | nemo: no, the firefox-esr builds in the repo do not require pulseaudio anymore | 05:14 |
| nemo | gnarface: ah. don't really use ESR | 05:14 |
| gnarface | nemo: actually the regular firefox build in ceres right now might not either but i'm not sure... | 05:14 |
| nemo | but surprised they chose to maintain that | 05:14 |
| nemo | gnarface: firefox wrote their own audio system in rust, but chose pulse as the api layer | 05:14 |
| nemo | due to, well, needing to pick something. doesn't seem like that big a deal though, since pulse api exists for alsa these days | 05:15 |
| nemo | gnarface: but yeah, of the thirty linux games in my steam library, this issue with PA was the first problem I ever had | 05:16 |
| gnarface | Wafficus: i got your back on steam controller support without systemd, too, there's some custom udev rules | 05:16 |
| nemo | apart from Witcher 2 and nouveau long ago | 05:16 |
| gnarface | i think i have around like 80 games, and it's rare for them all to work at once but usually only one or two are persistently broken | 05:16 |
| gnarface | thanks to the latest proton release i finally have Magicka 1 working | 05:17 |
| gnarface | and Bioshock2 working again after it broke in wine | 05:17 |
| gnarface | (Bioshock2 original release) | 05:18 |
| some_alex | gnarface: so if I have a beowulf install how do I upgrade to these releases? | 05:19 |
| gnarface | some_alex: process for that hasn't changed from Debian; basically you just change your sources.list then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" | 05:20 |
| devuan | hello guys, when launching xterm, it reports problems with fonts.. | 05:20 |
| devuan | https://paste2.org/C3XVapIg | 05:20 |
| gnarface | some_alex: only thing different is the repo url and release code names | 05:20 |
| gnarface | devuan: if it's complaining that they're missing, just install them from the repo | 05:21 |
| devuan | the problem is what fonts | 05:21 |
| devuan | :S | 05:21 |
| gnarface | devuan: if you need me to take a look at the paste, use paste.debian.net or just /msg it to me directly | 05:22 |
| gnarface | devuan: most the fonts that are going to be relevant to you are in packages named ttf-* or fonts-* | 05:22 |
| nemo | gnarface: you into FOSS games at all? | 05:23 |
| nemo | gnarface: Wesnoth, Spring, Hedgewars | 05:23 |
| gnarface | nemo: ioquake3 | 05:23 |
| man_in_shack | blob wars | 05:23 |
| nemo | gnarface: ah. not a huge FPS fan | 05:23 |
| devuan | nemo does you play Wesnoth? | 05:23 |
| nemo | yes | 05:23 |
| devuan | I am a big fan of it | 05:23 |
| devuan | just can't pass the level I am into the 3rd campain | 05:24 |
| nemo | devuan: I've done most of the single player campaigns. aaaand some multiplayer. but not much. mostly just casual friends/families | 05:24 |
| nemo | devuan: used to savescum but not much anymore. it's pretty easy to ensure the expendables take the hit on an aggresssive expansion on normal | 05:24 |
| devuan | I didn't kew we can play in network in Wesnoth :) | 05:24 |
| nemo | devuan: oh sure. if it wasn't so late I'd setup a game | 05:25 |
| nemo | devuan: I mean, it's right in the main menu. 3rd from top 😃 | 05:25 |
| gnarface | alright, take the game-specific issues into #debianfork | 05:25 |
| nemo | I think it even works on the Android port | 05:25 |
| devuan | nemo, is there a big amount of players? | 05:25 |
| nemo | gnarface: hmmmm even if I'm asking specific beowulf questions like "what happens if I install gcc-9" using dpkg in beowulf? :p | 05:25 |
| gnarface | nemo: some people around here may even object to Steam support issues, it's just a warning | 05:26 |
| devuan | ok gnarface, sorry but it was about wesnoth, nevertheless you right | 05:26 |
| gnarface | nemo: IMO the gcc9 think is at the boundary but not crossing it. Wesnoth strategy discussions definitely cross it though | 05:27 |
| gnarface | i have no authority here, i'm not reprimanding either of you, i'm just voicing a warning before we all get busted :) | 05:27 |
| nemo | hm... well. anyway. if someone can help me find a .deb for a libstdc++ compiled by gcc9 would appreciate it. I'm feeling adventurous | 05:27 |
| gnarface | if it's not in beowulf-backports i think the chroot honestly only SOUNDS like more trouble | 05:28 |
| gnarface | backporting libstc++ is going to put you in a world of pain | 05:28 |
| gnarface | i went through this over a earlier gcc version during the squeeze->wheezy upgrade | 05:29 |
| gnarface | you're gonna end up backporting half the distro | 05:29 |
| gnarface | by the time you finish you might as well have just upgraded to testing or used a chroot | 05:29 |
| gnarface | if it IS in beowulf-backports already, goodness just get it from there and save yourself the headache of building it | 05:30 |
| gnarface | with a chroot at least all you waste is disk space; the risk of hosing the whole install is relatively low | 05:32 |
| nemo | gnarface: well wasn't thinking of backporting so much as force-installing the lib | 05:32 |
| nemo | with no deps | 05:32 |
| nemo | then seeing if I could just point PA at it | 05:32 |
| nemo | and crossing my fingers that the rest resolves | 05:33 |
| gnarface | nemo: best case scenario is it works fine but you introduce random crash gremlins throughout the entire system | 05:33 |
| nemo | gnarface: mmm welll could just unpackage the .deb and point the problematic program at it with ld_library_path without actually installing... | 05:34 |
| nemo | I guess at that point I'm halfway to a chroot | 05:34 |
| nemo | *sigh* | 05:34 |
| gnarface | nemo: it gets easier every time | 05:35 |
| gnarface | nemo: i dunno, unpacking it into the game's install directory then trying to force the game to use those versions with environment variables or something could work. don't let me stop you from trying if you really want | 05:36 |
| gnarface | nemo: i just can't actually meaningfully help you accomplish that | 05:37 |
| nemo | chroot seemed like a lot to maintain, but I guess it just boils down to grabbing a ceres iso and burning a bit more disc space | 05:38 |
| nemo | and it's not like I have a shortage of that | 05:38 |
| gnarface | nemo: no you can just debootstrap into a directory then chroot into that | 05:38 |
| gnarface | nemo: no need to get a iso | 05:38 |
| nemo | oh... got a guide to link to? sounds like I need one | 05:39 |
| gnarface | nemo: only real issue is the ~2GB disk space overhead | 05:39 |
| gnarface | uh... hmmm | 05:39 |
| nemo | 2GB O_o | 05:39 |
| nemo | but eh. | 05:39 |
| nemo | /dev/sda1 7.2T 3.0T 4.0T 43% / | 05:39 |
| gnarface | all the gcc crap | 05:39 |
| gnarface | nemo: maybe this? https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap | 05:41 |
| nemo | k | 05:41 |
| gnarface | nemo: that may complicate it a little. i'm not sure copying /etc/hosts and /proc/mounts matters | 05:42 |
| gnarface | nemo: actually, just try this: debootstrap chimera ./targetdir http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 05:45 |
| gnarface | nemo: then: mount -o bind /sys ./targetdir/sys | 05:45 |
| gnarface | nemo: then repeat this ^ for /proc, /dev, and /dev/pts | 05:45 |
| nemo | ok. lessee. where shall I put this | 05:45 |
| gnarface | nemo: then just chroot ./targetdir /bin/bash | 05:45 |
| gnarface | nemo: when you're done with it, just ctrl+d to exit out, but you might want to make sure to unmount all those bind mounts too | 05:46 |
| gnarface | nemo: (may not matter) | 05:46 |
| gnarface | this is also a very useful trick for getting a clean build environment without polluting your base install | 05:47 |
| nemo | E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/chimaera | 05:48 |
| nemo | eh. it's late anyway | 05:48 |
| nemo | will fiddle with this tomorrow | 05:48 |
| gnarface | wait, what about with ceres? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | is that not the devuan version of debootstrap? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | maybe it just hasn't been patched for chimera yet | 05:49 |
| gnarface | maybe even if it's the devaun version | 05:49 |
| gnarface | it might just need to recognize chimera as a valid release name | 05:49 |
| gnarface | i haven't tested it with chimera yet, only with ceres | 05:49 |
| gnarface | actually i've tested it with ceres, ascii, AND beowulf, just not chimera | 05:49 |
| gnarface | but i also know it won't work with the debian version of debootstrap | 05:50 |
| gnarface | (for any devuan version) | 05:50 |
| nemo | gnarface: I installed bootstrap on beowulf so you'd think it'd be the devuan one... | 05:52 |
| nemo | Preparing to unpack .../debootstrap_1.0.114+devuan2_all.deb ... | 05:52 |
| nemo | oh well g'nite | 05:52 |
| devuan | does any one knows, how to execute '/usr/bin/xterm -e /usr/sbin/Ceni' in a button, in openbox? | 06:03 |
| devuan | Ceni is a network manager, but it needs root | 06:04 |
| devuan | also it runs in a terminal | 06:04 |
| devuan | I have a button for it, but it doesn't launch it | 06:04 |
| devuan | tought on the terminal I can launch it correctly | 06:04 |
| devuan | I assigned a button to this command, but to no avail :( | 06:07 |
| gnarface | nemo: on ceres /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/chimaera is just a symlink to /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ceres anyway, i'd say just symlink and try again | 06:13 |
| gnarface | nemo: or do it with ceres, the difference may be negligible to you if this is all you're going to do with it... | 06:14 |
| bsd4me | fsmithred: I did a 2-step upgrade. First ran apt upgrade after changing sources.list to chimaera, then rebooted and checked how it operated. Everything seemed fine, so then I ran apt dist-upgrade, installed new kernel, and rebooted. | 06:59 |
| bsd4me | Linux refracta 5.6.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.6.14-1 (2020-05-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 06:59 |
| bsd4me | Not one problem with upgrading so far. Everything seems to be operating correctly | 06:59 |
| some_alex | gnarface: thanks! I just never really upgraded my Debian-based systems because I've been distro-hopping for some time | 07:19 |
| frabbit | is there a way to write german umlauts whith an us keyboardlayout? | 07:29 |
| frabbit | oh and the § | 07:29 |
| frabbit | also ° seems to be missing on us layout | 07:30 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, maybe a papyrus is good for that? | 07:30 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: a papyrus? =D | 07:30 |
| frabbit | u mean paper | 07:30 |
| frabbit | ? | 07:30 |
| Wafficus | Hi there, I have a question regarding rebooting with Devuan without systemd | 07:31 |
| Wafficus | I'm used to systemctl reboot or systemctl poweroff | 07:31 |
| Wafficus | what are the Devuan variants without systemd? | 07:31 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: reboot and shutdown -h now | 07:32 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_(software) | 07:32 |
| Wafficus | oh ok thanks | 07:32 |
| Wafficus | I have another question | 07:32 |
| Wafficus | I completely redid my current system from start to finish with Devuan. I've got two questions, why is it that when I log off from AwesomeWM into LightDM, I'm not given the option to be able to powerdown or restart? | 07:32 |
| Wafficus | I'm able to select from the top right menu to attempt to select these options to restart or powerdown | 07:33 |
| Wafficus | but they're greyed out for some reason and don't allow me to choose any option | 07:34 |
| Wafficus | not sure if this is a LightDM specific problem though | 07:34 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: ah i had this too.. let me check logs what this was... | 07:36 |
| Wafficus | ok thanks | 07:38 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: oh sorry, that wasnt from lightdm it was from de menu... D= | 07:40 |
| Wafficus | this issue is here https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/lightdm/issues/2 | 07:41 |
| Wafficus | the problem is that I'm wondering | 07:41 |
| Wafficus | because I've used lightdm | 07:42 |
| Wafficus | does that mean lightdm installed systemd? | 07:42 |
| Wafficus | I ask because I specifically chose Devuan to NOT use systemd | 07:42 |
| frabbit | systemd affects alot of packages... | 07:42 |
| Wafficus | or is it a case in which lightdm is dependent upon systemd in the first place so thats why it can't work without it | 07:42 |
| frabbit | but reboot and shutdown from lightdm works | 07:42 |
| frabbit | on devuan | 07:42 |
| Wafficus | not on my build for whatever reason | 07:43 |
| Wafficus | they're greyed out | 07:43 |
| Wafficus | I installed it from apt, if that helps | 07:44 |
| frabbit | you probably need these consolekit policykit something i dunno, i needed to install some of that to get graphically things to work, but i cant give u a tutorial cause i dont use a dm, or a fm that can mount as non root user and so on | 07:44 |
| frabbit | and i didnt sorted my notes what i was needed to do for taht system with similiar problems yet | 07:45 |
| frabbit | maybe this: https://packages.debian.org/buster/policykit-1-gnome | 07:46 |
| Wafficus | ah I see | 07:46 |
| Wafficus | is it possible to then remove lightdm at this point? | 07:46 |
| Wafficus | what would I then use instead? | 07:46 |
| frabbit | i had installed slim first on that beginner system but somehow it crashes often when wicd-gtk is installed too (maybe thats different for you) | 07:48 |
| frabbit | after that i tried xdm yesterday | 07:48 |
| frabbit | but with slim and xdm u cant reboot or shutdown thats what u need to know | 07:48 |
| Wafficus | I gotcha | 07:49 |
| frabbit | you would need to make that with the de menu | 07:49 |
| frabbit | but u said u are using awesome? | 07:49 |
| frabbit | so probably no de there? | 07:49 |
| Wafficus | anyway | 07:49 |
| Wafficus | yeah just using AwesomeWM | 07:49 |
| Wafficus | I tried doing "reboot" and "shutdown" | 07:49 |
| Wafficus | both as a regular user | 07:50 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, type this on your system | 07:50 |
| Wafficus | and as root | 07:50 |
| tuxd3v | 'if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false;fi' | 07:50 |
| Wafficus | neither worked unfortunately | 07:50 |
| frabbit | k then u need to a su shell or sudo | 07:50 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false;fi | 07:50 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: u catn run these commands as non root | 07:50 |
| Wafficus | -bash: acpi_available: command not found | 07:50 |
| Wafficus | false | 07:50 |
| Wafficus | not in my case for whatever reason | 07:51 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ reboot | 07:51 |
| tuxd3v | I have it | 07:51 |
| Wafficus | -bash: reboot: command not found | 07:51 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: you need to be root | 07:51 |
| Wafficus | I tried that as well | 07:51 |
| Wafficus | same thing | 07:51 |
| frabbit | you cant reboot or shutdown as root? o_0 | 07:51 |
| tuxd3v | package: 'powermgmt-base' | 07:51 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# shutdown -h | 07:51 |
| Wafficus | bash: shutdown: command not found | 07:51 |
| frabbit | erm... | 07:52 |
| Wafficus | tuxd3v: is that for users like myself who don't want systemd? | 07:52 |
| Wafficus | the 'powermgmt-base' package? | 07:52 |
| tuxd3v | this is for everybody on x86 :) | 07:52 |
| frabbit | but shutdown for example must be in the sysvinit package: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/sysvinit-core/filelist | 07:53 |
| tuxd3v | yes, check if you have it | 07:53 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, dpkg -l |grep powermgmt-base | 07:54 |
| Wafficus | yes, as in it DOES contain systemd? | 07:54 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, well, are you in x86? | 07:54 |
| tuxd3v | :D | 07:54 |
| tuxd3v | no devuan doesn't contain systemd | 07:55 |
| Wafficus | gotcha | 07:55 |
| Wafficus | I saw this possible solution | 07:55 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 07:55 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# dpkg -l | grep powermgmt-base | 07:55 |
| Wafficus | ii powermgmt-base 1.34 all common utils for power management | 07:55 |
| Wafficus | I saw this solution https://bgstack15.wordpress.com/2019/09/01/devuan-with-lightdm-and-xfce-will-not-let-user-reboot-or-shutdown-from-user-session/ | 07:55 |
| tuxd3v | yo you have it.. | 07:55 |
| tuxd3v | type as root | 07:55 |
| Wafficus | I tried | 07:55 |
| tuxd3v | if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false;fi | 07:56 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# if acpi_available; then echo true; else echo false; fi | 07:56 |
| Wafficus | bash: acpi_available: command not found | 07:56 |
| Wafficus | false | 07:56 |
| tuxd3v | apt-get install --reinstall powermgmt-base | 07:56 |
| Wafficus | ok doing so now | 07:57 |
| Wafficus | did that | 07:58 |
| Wafficus | still the same result | 07:58 |
| Wafficus | oroot@samdevuan:/home/sam# reboot | 07:58 |
| Wafficus | bash: reboot: command not found | 07:58 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# poweroff | 07:58 |
| Wafficus | bash: poweroff: command not found | 07:58 |
| Wafficus | * ignore the "oroot", initial command got cut off | 07:58 |
| tuxd3v | your system is incomplete for sure.. | 07:59 |
| Wafficus | all I did was install the min install via the Devuan Beowulf net installer | 07:59 |
| tuxd3v | it could be that now there are more options for init systems there.. | 08:00 |
| Wafficus | I did the suggested first option | 08:01 |
| Wafficus | sysinit or something like that | 08:01 |
| Wafficus | * for people who don't know what they're doing... aka me | 08:01 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 08:01 |
| tuxd3v | do this | 08:01 |
| tuxd3v | dpkg -l| grep sysvinit-core | 08:01 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# dpkg -l | grep sysvinit-core | 08:02 |
| Wafficus | ii sysvinit-core 2.93-8+devuan1 amd64 System-V-like init utilities | 08:02 |
| frabbit | something seems broken then... | 08:02 |
| tuxd3v | whait, you should have a problem with your PATH..sorry for not get it sooner | 08:02 |
| tuxd3v | echo $PATH | 08:02 |
| Wafficus | as root, or reg user? | 08:03 |
| tuxd3v | you should have something like: | 08:03 |
| tuxd3v | as root | 08:03 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# echo $PATH | 08:03 |
| Wafficus | /home/sam/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games | 08:03 |
| tuxd3v | \/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 08:04 |
| tuxd3v | you don't have :/sbin | 08:05 |
| Wafficus | I see... do I have to redo the install then? | 08:05 |
| tuxd3v | ho you also don't have \/usr/local/sbin | 08:05 |
| frabbit | me neither =) | 08:06 |
| frabbit | oh no wait as root i have this | 08:06 |
| frabbit | xD | 08:06 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, your problem is that you don't have essentially /sbin in your root path | 08:08 |
| Wafficus | so how do I fix that? | 08:08 |
| Wafficus | do I have to revise my .bashrc accordingly? | 08:08 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 08:09 |
| tuxd3v | do one thins first | 08:11 |
| tuxd3v | export PATH=${PATH}:/sbin | 08:11 |
| tuxd3v | on the shell, then | 08:11 |
| tuxd3v | which shutdown | 08:12 |
| tuxd3v | as root | 08:12 |
| Wafficus | ok I did as root: | 08:13 |
| Wafficus | export PATH=${PATH}:/sbin | 08:13 |
| Wafficus | now what do I have to do? | 08:13 |
| tuxd3v | type : | 08:13 |
| tuxd3v | which shutdown | 08:13 |
| tuxd3v | it should show you the command, also 'acpi_available' should be present | 08:15 |
| tuxd3v | but it his for now yet only in that shell session | 08:15 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# which shutdown | 08:15 |
| Wafficus | /sbin/shutdown | 08:15 |
| tuxd3v | now you have both shutdown, and acpi_available | 08:16 |
| tuxd3v | but its only yet in that shell session | 08:16 |
| Wafficus | ok so what modification do I need to make to my .bashrc though? | 08:16 |
| tuxd3v | you need to put it in the .bashrc | 08:16 |
| Wafficus | I haven't included the PATH variable in my .bashrc | 08:16 |
| tuxd3v | yes :) | 08:16 |
| Wafficus | as in like EXPORT something? | 08:16 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 08:16 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 08:16 |
| Wafficus | like this command: | 08:17 |
| Wafficus | export PATH=${PATH}:/sbin | 08:17 |
| Wafficus | at the top of my .bashrc? | 08:17 |
| tuxd3v | at the bottom | 08:17 |
| Wafficus | ok I added it | 08:18 |
| Wafficus | one sec | 08:18 |
| tuxd3v | ok :) | 08:18 |
| Wafficus | will be back in one sec | 08:19 |
| tuxd3v | no problem :) | 08:19 |
| Wafficus | tuxd3v: yup, now they work just fine | 08:21 |
| Wafficus | thanks a ton for that | 08:21 |
| Wafficus | not sure about the whole lightdm thing | 08:21 |
| tuxd3v | no problem | 08:21 |
| Wafficus | but this will work as a workaround while I read those potential solutions with polkit | 08:21 |
| Wafficus | is polkit part of systemd as well? | 08:21 |
| Wafficus | I ask because the one workaround is to possibly install that so that lightdm plays nicely | 08:21 |
| tuxd3v | I remember some 10 years ago, I was fighting for the same problem.. and like you can see it left some scars :D | 08:22 |
| tuxd3v | I still remember about it.. | 08:22 |
| tuxd3v | hehe | 08:22 |
| Wafficus | ha nice | 08:22 |
| Wafficus | gotcha, I'm assuming you're on the Devuan team too? | 08:22 |
| Wafficus | or just a user? | 08:22 |
| Wafficus | I ask because you're pretty knowledgable, and it helped a ton | 08:22 |
| Wafficus | honestly | 08:22 |
| tuxd3v | I am a user that also contribute to the devuan community | 08:22 |
| tuxd3v | I am sysadmin, for the last 22 years :) | 08:22 |
| Wafficus | dang | 08:23 |
| Wafficus | that's awesome | 08:23 |
| Wafficus | I just do tech support for legal software for my actual day job | 08:23 |
| Wafficus | mostly Windoze based *snore | 08:23 |
| Wafficus | however, I do use Emacs to organize my todo list with org mode for it | 08:23 |
| Wafficus | so I guess that's the fun part | 08:23 |
| yeti | \o/ org | 08:23 |
| tuxd3v | but I commiteda terrible mistake..I took some 5 minutes to debug something so trivial for us..i'm a bit ashamed, but ok | 08:23 |
| tuxd3v | :D | 08:23 |
| Wafficus | I am however debating just totally getting a second drive to dual boot and run Windows as a vm ha | 08:23 |
| tuxd3v | commiteda -> commited | 08:24 |
| tuxd3v | do one more thing | 08:24 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 08:24 |
| Wafficus | its totally fine | 08:24 |
| tuxd3v | just check this | 08:24 |
| Wafficus | yeti: do you like Emacs too? | 08:24 |
| tuxd3v | grep -n "PATH" /etc/profile --color | 08:24 |
| yeti | Wafficus: org/babel and org-brain | 08:24 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ grep -n "PATH" /etc/profile --color | 08:24 |
| Wafficus | 5: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" | 08:24 |
| Wafficus | 7: PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" | 08:25 |
| Wafficus | 9:export PATH | 08:25 |
| tuxd3v | interesting.. there you have the /sbin in the first line | 08:25 |
| tuxd3v | when you pass from a user to root, you can do it safelly as 'sudo su -' | 08:25 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ sudo su | 08:26 |
| Wafficus | -bash: sudo: command not found | 08:26 |
| Wafficus | yeah I haven't installed sudo yet I don't think | 08:26 |
| Wafficus | I'd have to add the "sam" user into the list I think too | 08:26 |
| Wafficus | its been a while, forget how to do it | 08:26 |
| Wafficus | I've always just did su anyway | 08:26 |
| tuxd3v | usermod -a -G sudo sam | 08:27 |
| tuxd3v | to add your user to the sudo group | 08:27 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, typing first sudo | 08:30 |
| tuxd3v | it will ask for your own user password | 08:30 |
| tuxd3v | its saffer | 08:30 |
| tuxd3v | in a server were a lot of users login | 08:30 |
| frabbit | can anyone help me with my pinta problem i asked about on friday here please: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/_devuan.2020-06-05.log.html#t2020-06-05T14:00:42 | 08:31 |
| tuxd3v | sometimes you could left the root password typed in the history | 08:31 |
| tuxd3v | using sudo on front you are always safer :) | 08:31 |
| Wafficus | I don't have sudo on the machine though | 08:33 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, ho.. I see you are in the dark side =D( '/usr/bin/mono' ) | 08:33 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ sudo | 08:33 |
| Wafficus | -bash: sudo: command not found | 08:33 |
| yeti | su -c 'commands' # is too ugly too type | 08:33 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: dark side? =o | 08:33 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, heheh =D | 08:34 |
| Wafficus | I have to add myself to the sudoers list right? | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 08:34 |
| * enyc meows | 08:34 | |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | login as root | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | 'su -' | 08:34 |
| Wafficus | yeah I did apt install sudo | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | then install sudo | 08:34 |
| Wafficus | I now have sudo | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | apt-get install -y sudo | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | then | 08:34 |
| tuxd3v | usermod -a -G sudo sam | 08:34 |
| Wafficus | ok I did that | 08:35 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: what do u mean? | 08:35 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, you are using mono | 08:35 |
| tuxd3v | for the logs I saw | 08:35 |
| frabbit | ok go on please... | 08:35 |
| tuxd3v | in the chat :) | 08:35 |
| frabbit | pinta comes with that | 08:36 |
| tuxd3v | in the past, it was a heresy to use mono :) | 08:36 |
| frabbit | o_0 | 08:36 |
| Wafficus | I tried sudo poweroff | 08:36 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, I was kidding of-course ;) | 08:36 |
| Wafficus | and entered my usual login password | 08:36 |
| Wafficus | sudo] password for sam: | 08:36 |
| Wafficus | sam is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 08:36 |
| tuxd3v | any user should be free to use what he wants :) | 08:36 |
| tuxd3v | login as root | 08:37 |
| tuxd3v | 'su -' | 08:37 |
| Wafficus | I also tried the root password I setup during the installation too | 08:37 |
| frabbit | oh i see that thing is for m$ net something. | 08:37 |
| tuxd3v | then | 08:37 |
| tuxd3v | usermod -a -G sudo sam | 08:37 |
| Wafficus | ok I'm logged in as root | 08:37 |
| Wafficus | yeah I did that | 08:37 |
| tuxd3v | type 'id sam' | 08:37 |
| yeti | may I suggest a 1 liner in /etc/sudoers.d for user sam? | 08:37 |
| frabbit | ok i didnt know.. but i want a smaller image manipulating program then gimp or inkscape... | 08:37 |
| frabbit | for cutting photos | 08:38 |
| tuxd3v | yeti, that is also a good option :) | 08:38 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:/home/sam# usermod -a -G sudo sam | 08:38 |
| Wafficus | bash: usermod: command not found | 08:38 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, you can, and should use what ever you want to... freedom comes with that option :) | 08:38 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, its a PATH problem again | 08:39 |
| tuxd3v | :/ | 08:39 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: dsure i can but it doesnt work... do u know any other small programs like that? | 08:39 |
| yeti | use full path //usr/sbin/usermod ... | 08:39 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, yeti idea is a very good short-cut :) | 08:40 |
| tuxd3v | '/usr/sbin/usermod -a -G sudo sam' | 08:41 |
| Wafficus | right I did that variant too | 08:42 |
| tuxd3v | type now | 08:42 |
| tuxd3v | id sam | 08:42 |
| yeti | needs relogin | 08:42 |
| yeti | the added group | 08:42 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ id sam | 08:43 |
| Wafficus | uid=1000(sam) gid=1000(sam) groups=1000(sam),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(netdev),105(bluetooth),109(lpadmin),110(scanner) | 08:43 |
| yeti | or exec a new shell wit --login option in the terminal | 08:43 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, now to a test | 08:43 |
| tuxd3v | 'sudo su -' | 08:43 |
| tuxd3v | and type your own 'sam' user password | 08:43 |
| yeti | naaaah | 08:43 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ sudo su - | 08:44 |
| Wafficus | [sudo] password for sam: | 08:44 |
| Wafficus | sam is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 08:44 |
| yeti | the superpower of sudo is not needing to do everything as root | 08:44 |
| yeti | prefix only the commands where you need superpowers with sudo instead of launching a rootshell | 08:44 |
| yeti | that avoids many lines you would do as root in a rootshell... | 08:45 |
| tuxd3v | yeti, but with sudo, you always type your own password and not the root one | 08:45 |
| yeti | less lines as root, less dangers | 08:45 |
| tuxd3v | so its safer | 08:45 |
| yeti | in a rootshell you tend to do everything as root... even the lines you could do as user | 08:46 |
| Wafficus | I still wonder why its not in the sudoers file, even though I added sam to the right group | 08:46 |
| tuxd3v | logout and login again | 08:46 |
| tuxd3v | type logout | 08:46 |
| tuxd3v | I believe you are in a graphical environment, | 08:47 |
| tuxd3v | logout and login again.. | 08:47 |
| yeti | a new loginshell is enough | 08:47 |
| tuxd3v | yeti, true :) | 08:47 |
| yeti | bash --login | 08:47 |
| yeti | or a new shell window | 08:48 |
| Wafficus | ok | 08:48 |
| Wafficus | same thing happens in a new bash shell terminal | 08:48 |
| tuxd3v | Wafficus, if you type 'su - root' | 08:49 |
| tuxd3v | and login directly with root password, not Sam one.. | 08:49 |
| tuxd3v | do a 'echo $PATH' | 08:49 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ su - root | 08:49 |
| Wafficus | Password: | 08:49 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:~# | 08:49 |
| Wafficus | I can utilize the root password in that case | 08:49 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 08:50 |
| Wafficus | echo $PATH as root | 08:50 |
| Wafficus | or 'sam' user? | 08:50 |
| tuxd3v | you are already root :) | 08:50 |
| tuxd3v | just type: | 08:50 |
| tuxd3v | 'echo $PATH' | 08:50 |
| Wafficus | root@samdevuan:~# echo $PATH | 08:50 |
| Wafficus | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 08:50 |
| tuxd3v | ok now its correct | 08:50 |
| tuxd3v | I mean your PATH is correct based on /etc/profile ;) | 08:51 |
| Wafficus | right | 08:51 |
| Wafficus | aka .bashrc | 08:51 |
| Wafficus | in ~/ directory | 08:51 |
| Wafficus | $HOME * | 08:51 |
| tuxd3v | it uses the Global place for the PATH initially | 08:52 |
| tuxd3v | which is /etc/profile | 08:52 |
| tuxd3v | that's why I asked you to run some moments ago: | 08:52 |
| Wafficus | right but if someone has a .bashrc config in their home directory, then that should overrite it | 08:52 |
| Wafficus | *overwrite | 08:52 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 08:53 |
| tuxd3v | you can overwrite it, or complement it | 08:53 |
| tuxd3v | PATH=&{PATH}:some_new_path | 08:54 |
| tuxd3v | in this case you will add at the end a new path to the already existing places | 08:54 |
| tuxd3v | & -> $ | 08:54 |
| tuxd3v | :D | 08:54 |
| Wafficus | gotcha | 08:56 |
| Wafficus | so why am I still not in the sudoers file? | 08:56 |
| tuxd3v | in theory you should be able to reboot, shutdown and stuff :) | 08:56 |
| Wafficus | I ask directly since I wanna go to sleep soon, but would want to figure out why that's the case | 08:56 |
| Wafficus | right I can just do su | 08:56 |
| Wafficus | and then those two commands | 08:56 |
| Wafficus | that's not a problem | 08:56 |
| Wafficus | its the sudo thing | 08:57 |
| Wafficus | why can't I just do sudo (command) without it complaining that I'm not in the sudoers list | 08:57 |
| tuxd3v | I would logout from the graphicalenvironment | 08:57 |
| Wafficus | even though I've already added sam into that list | 08:57 |
| tuxd3v | and login again | 08:57 |
| Wafficus | and see if continues right? | 08:57 |
| tuxd3v | and type after | 08:57 |
| tuxd3v | 'sudo su -' | 08:57 |
| tuxd3v | to test | 08:57 |
| Wafficus | ok will do thanks | 08:57 |
| tuxd3v | no problem :) | 08:58 |
| Wafficus | yep it works now | 08:59 |
| Wafficus | you were right | 08:59 |
| Wafficus | thanks a ton again tuxd3v | 08:59 |
| Wafficus | will be back tomorrow or so about the 'lightdm' issue | 08:59 |
| Wafficus | peace for now | 09:00 |
| tuxd3v | you shouldn't have it now | 09:00 |
| tuxd3v | does you continue to have that buttons grey? | 09:00 |
| yeti | he's gone | 09:00 |
| tuxd3v | yeti, yeah thanks :) | 09:00 |
| yeti | can hexchat color nicks of no longe present users differently? | 09:01 |
| yeti | weechat can... thats why I see ppl leaving | 09:02 |
| ejr | is devuan always going to be free of horrible things like snaps? | 09:02 |
| yeti | should it? | 09:02 |
| ejr | i had to use ubuntu for about a month, and it was a terrible experience with snaps specifically.. | 09:03 |
| yeti | using snap by default in devuan doesn't fit devuan's style | 09:04 |
| gnarface | even ubuntu is dropping snaps aren't they? | 09:05 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, do a strace path/to/pinta | 09:15 |
| tuxd3v | and when it crashes catch the output of it | 09:16 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: a strace? | 09:23 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, yes | 09:24 |
| tuxd3v | it would help debug the problem | 09:24 |
| tuxd3v | it will print lots of things to the console, that is what we want to debug | 09:24 |
| frabbit | i mean what is a strace? | 09:24 |
| frabbit | i cant translate it | 09:25 |
| tuxd3v | strace - System call tracer | 09:25 |
| frabbit | ok a program | 09:25 |
| tuxd3v | sometimes we use it to debug something | 09:25 |
| tuxd3v | yes sorry | 09:26 |
| tuxd3v | its a program | 09:26 |
| frabbit | installed | 09:26 |
| frabbit | "strace pinta" floods my terminal | 09:27 |
| tuxd3v | indeed | 09:27 |
| tuxd3v | and could be there some information usefull to find the root cause of it crashing :) | 09:27 |
| frabbit | and pinta doesnt start | 09:27 |
| frabbit | what do i have to tun? | 09:28 |
| tuxd3v | does he finds pinta? | 09:28 |
| frabbit | he? | 09:29 |
| tuxd3v | you are with root? | 09:29 |
| frabbit | what?! of course not | 09:29 |
| frabbit | i dont start any guish things as root... | 09:29 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know if you can strace without been root | 09:29 |
| frabbit | do i have to run "strace pinta"? thats all? | 09:30 |
| frabbit | ah now it has started | 09:31 |
| frabbit | ok i tried to crop a photo and it crashes again | 09:32 |
| frabbit | what next? | 09:32 |
| tuxd3v | paste the output | 09:33 |
| tuxd3v | it gives you | 09:33 |
| tuxd3v | the system calls | 09:33 |
| tuxd3v | that is mono, and mono uses dlls, probably the problem is there, or in the fonts it uses.. | 09:34 |
| frabbit | but the output was on terminal | 09:34 |
| frabbit | or is tehre a file by default? | 09:34 |
| tuxd3v | on terminal | 09:34 |
| frabbit | yeah i cant scroll back so much here | 09:35 |
| tuxd3v | yep that wwas also something that I tought, because it is very verbose | 09:35 |
| frabbit | can i do strace pinta > file.txt ? | 09:35 |
| tuxd3v | :/ | 09:35 |
| tuxd3v | yes you can :) | 09:36 |
| frabbit | ok... | 09:36 |
| frabbit | no i cant file is empty... | 09:37 |
| frabbit | output was done on terminal | 09:37 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 09:37 |
| frabbit | what yes? | 09:38 |
| tuxd3v | do 'strace path/to/pinta 2>&1 > file.log' | 09:38 |
| frabbit | work neither, empty file again | 09:40 |
| frabbit | *works | 09:40 |
| tuxd3v | do one thing | 09:44 |
| tuxd3v | ldd path/to/pinta | 09:44 |
| frabbit | ok, output is "not a dynamic executable" | 09:45 |
| tuxd3v | so its staticly compiled.. | 09:46 |
| tuxd3v | but for what I see in the log you showed I see dynamic libraries | 09:46 |
| tuxd3v | what we call shared libraries | 09:46 |
| tuxd3v | ot maybe it has dynamic libraries, but called from inside of mono stuff.. | 09:47 |
| tuxd3v | one option would be to increase your buffer size | 09:48 |
| tuxd3v | mine has 50000 lines | 09:49 |
| tuxd3v | its what I need to see the output log of all process compilation of a kernel, modules,dtbs,etc | 09:49 |
| frabbit | i dont understand | 09:49 |
| tuxd3v | what is your virtual console | 09:50 |
| tuxd3v | what is your programm? | 09:50 |
| tuxd3v | tilda? | 09:50 |
| frabbit | u mean terminal emulator? | 09:50 |
| tuxd3v | xfce terminal | 09:50 |
| frabbit | stterm | 09:50 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 09:50 |
| frabbit | i can scrollback using screen | 09:50 |
| frabbit | so thats what u mean | 09:51 |
| frabbit | with buffer | 09:51 |
| tuxd3v | right you play in the suckless side of the world :) | 09:51 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know if stterm has any option to encriese the buffer size | 09:51 |
| frabbit | no | 09:51 |
| frabbit | but screen has | 09:51 |
| tuxd3v | ok | 09:52 |
| tuxd3v | screen -d -m strace path/to/pinta | 09:52 |
| frabbit | screen -h NumberOfLinesHere | 09:52 |
| tuxd3v | nice! | 09:52 |
| frabbit | i hope 1000000 will be enough xD | 09:53 |
| tuxd3v | that is too much | 09:53 |
| tuxd3v | put some 100000 on it :) | 09:53 |
| frabbit | oh this time it crahses just as i opened the image.. | 09:53 |
| tuxd3v | so its random | 09:55 |
| frabbit | o_0 i will scroll to the top forever.... | 09:55 |
| tuxd3v | if you type 'g' you don't go to the top right? | 09:56 |
| tuxd3v | :q! | 09:56 |
| tuxd3v | type PgUp | 09:58 |
| tuxd3v | continuously | 09:58 |
| frabbit | i have just copy lines from the bottom where i think that pinta has started but i cant paste the | 09:59 |
| frabbit | its ctrl+a+] by default but it seems that this isnt working in firesucks... errr... firefox | 10:00 |
| frabbit | cant paste it to vim either | 10:02 |
| tuxd3v | create a text file in a editor | 10:03 |
| frabbit | as i said the paste shortcut doesnt work in vim(.tiny) | 10:05 |
| yeti | or ^a H for screen's logging? | 10:05 |
| tuxd3v | Ctrl+Insert(copy) | 10:05 |
| tuxd3v | Shift+Insert(paste) | 10:05 |
| frabbit | what do u mean_ thats not an screen option | 10:14 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, if you select text, and then ctrl+Insert, then paste it in a text file like Shift+Insert | 10:26 |
| tuxd3v | or with mouse middle button | 10:27 |
| frabbit | ctr+insert doesnt work and with mouthbutton it will take forever to mark all that lines... | 10:30 |
| frabbit | cause u cant use screens marking and then paste it with mouse | 10:31 |
| frabbit | if it were possible u would already have mz output | 10:31 |
| yeti | mark with screen, then paste it after typing "cat > xxx [enter]"? | 10:48 |
| yeti | and ^d after paste | 10:48 |
| frabbit | yeti: yay that works =D | 10:52 |
| se7en | There are some more significant errors I've discovered after upgrading | 10:58 |
| se7en | When not on my thinkpad dock, and booting the latest kernel, the init hangs on irqbalencer | 10:59 |
| se7en | And there is a clicking sound by the internal buzzer | 10:59 |
| se7en | Rapid | 10:59 |
| se7en | Booting into the previous kernel gets past this, but there are several errors following it, all for laptop-mode | 11:00 |
| buZz | yeti: you can copypaste with just screen , ctrl+A [ to select/copy, ctrl+A ] to paste | 11:00 |
| se7en | In an attempt to rectify this, I am running `apt install --reinstall task-laptop | 11:00 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: ok file is > 15MB | 11:01 |
| frabbit | paste.debian.net: 413 Request Entity Too Large - xD | 11:02 |
| frabbit | i have paste it at paste2.org but the result still loads xD | 11:06 |
| frabbit | buZz: see above whz that didnt worked | 11:07 |
| frabbit | *why | 11:07 |
| frabbit | *doesnt | 11:07 |
| buZz | screen doesnt fucntion inside firefox, correct | 11:07 |
| buZz | are you uploading a 15MB log file? O_o | 11:08 |
| buZz | even the bible is under 5MB | 11:08 |
| frabbit | buZz: yes | 11:09 |
| buZz | gee | 11:10 |
| frabbit | paste2 gave same error now | 11:10 |
| buZz | thats a big log | 11:10 |
| buZz | whats in it? | 11:10 |
| frabbit | strace pinta | 11:10 |
| frabbit | output | 11:10 |
| buZz | oh dear , a mono app ? :D | 11:11 |
| frabbit | yes | 11:11 |
| buZz | oh hey, thats even in devuan? | 11:11 |
| buZz | cute | 11:11 |
| frabbit | i want a smaller program then gimp or inkscape to crop photos | 11:11 |
| * buZz tries it out | 11:11 | |
| buZz | frabbit: why not imagemagick | 11:11 |
| frabbit | yeah its pretty small and fast | 11:11 |
| frabbit | buZz: i dounno how | 11:12 |
| frabbit | i use im normally for convertiong and stuff | 11:12 |
| buZz | what? | 11:12 |
| frabbit | but how to make graphically a selection in an image | 11:12 |
| buZz | apt install pinta works fine on my devuan | 11:12 |
| frabbit | buZz: yeah ive installed it too | 11:13 |
| frabbit | buZz: have already beowulf? | 11:13 |
| buZz | yeah for many months | 11:13 |
| frabbit | ok ive ascci here | 11:13 |
| frabbit | but will change soon | 11:13 |
| frabbit | (ascii | 11:13 |
| frabbit | man! | 11:13 |
| frabbit | *ascii | 11:13 |
| frabbit | xD | 11:13 |
| buZz | this tutorial tells you how to crop with imagemagick : https://opensource.com/article/17/8/imagemagick | 11:14 |
| buZz | its a WAY lighter program than pinta | 11:14 |
| frabbit | i know but that is command line | 11:14 |
| buZz | its not | 11:14 |
| buZz | you arent reading | 11:14 |
| frabbit | nah im just blocking images here... wait | 11:15 |
| buZz | display bla.jpg , transform > crop > select your area > crop | 11:15 |
| buZz | file > save | 11:15 |
| buZz | done | 11:15 |
| buZz | 'display' is the command to open the gui frontend of imagemagick | 11:16 |
| frabbit | o_0 !!! | 11:17 |
| frabbit | there.. is... some gui when i click... | 11:17 |
| buZz | welcome to linux | 11:17 |
| buZz | :) | 11:17 |
| frabbit | i didnt know that exists... | 11:17 |
| frabbit | lol | 11:17 |
| buZz | read documentation, you'd know more :D | 11:17 |
| frabbit | i alwys used imagemagick on cli | 11:17 |
| frabbit | convert etc.. | 11:17 |
| frabbit | for years now xD | 11:17 |
| buZz | uhuh | 11:17 |
| frabbit | i cant read all documentation for all programs i use... | 11:18 |
| frabbit | im always looking for the things i need right now | 11:18 |
| frabbit | good bye pinta | 11:18 |
| buZz | last minute choices are rarely well informed | 11:18 |
| frabbit | buZz: last minute? i can always find what i need | 11:19 |
| frabbit | i dont need to know the whole program | 11:20 |
| frabbit | its cool if someone does, even read (and understand) the sourcecode but who got that much time? | 11:20 |
| frabbit | buZz: well thank u very much for the hint, i really missed that semi-gui-thing in imagemagick ;) | 11:22 |
| buZz | \o welcome | 11:22 |
| buZz | i own all the time in the world, just like everyone else :) | 11:23 |
| buZz | the limitation to our time available is only in our minds | 11:23 |
| frabbit | man... all this wasted time everytime i opened up gimp to crop some image... D.= | 11:23 |
| buZz | :) | 11:23 |
| frabbit | buZz: nah... thats philosophy not allday life... | 11:23 |
| frabbit | computer stuff eats my lifetime way to much... | 11:24 |
| buZz | :) | 11:24 |
| frabbit | that im gui was created by some left-hander as it seems =D | 11:26 |
| frabbit | funny how different it feels when the mouse arrow points to a different direction then it commonly does xD | 11:27 |
| frabbit | and now i forgot what image it was that i wanted to crop xD | 11:29 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/_devuan.2020-06-07.log.html#t2020-06-07T08:31:47 - why? | 13:49 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, why what? | 13:51 |
| tuxd3v | ho you mean using sudo on front? | 13:52 |
| frabbit | why is sudo safer instead of using a root account? | 13:53 |
| tuxd3v | its a long story, but I will try the short one.. | 13:53 |
| tuxd3v | security | 13:53 |
| tuxd3v | You should never use the root password, unless strictly necessary | 13:54 |
| frabbit | i mean you can get a root shell with sudo too, but you need only one passphrase, the user passphrase | 13:54 |
| frabbit | sudo -i or what was it? | 13:54 |
| tuxd3v | sudo su - | 13:54 |
| tuxd3v | or sudo su - root | 13:54 |
| frabbit | yeah | 13:54 |
| tuxd3v | its the same thing | 13:54 |
| frabbit | i think its safer to seperate them from each other, cause a root passphrase is not as fast leaked as a userpassphrase | 13:55 |
| tuxd3v | In my company, that deals with Monetary system..there are a big focus on security, you are not alowed, *ever*, to login with the root account | 13:55 |
| tuxd3v | passwords will be left in Ram memory, password can be left by mistake in the history, and so on.. | 13:56 |
| frabbit | but that doesnt make sense when u can login as root with sudo and the userpassphrase | 13:56 |
| frabbit | correct | 13:56 |
| tuxd3v | sudoers facility exist for a purpose | 13:56 |
| tuxd3v | so, login with 'sudo su -' | 13:57 |
| frabbit | you can make a mistake while open a te for running some sudo command but whoops your mouse focus is still on that website there while you type in your passphrase for sudo... | 13:57 |
| tuxd3v | you are using your own account | 13:57 |
| tuxd3v | yes it could hapen with your pasword too | 13:58 |
| frabbit | i use root no where else then on an own tty that i never use for anything else | 13:58 |
| tuxd3v | but its your password | 13:58 |
| tuxd3v | even tought it has access to root | 13:58 |
| frabbit | on a tty without any multiplexers, webbrowsers or whatever running | 13:58 |
| frabbit | so if i type in my root passphrase there cant happend any accident | 13:58 |
| frabbit | i dont run ayn gui as root too and te are gui programs too | 13:59 |
| frabbit | *any | 13:59 |
| tuxd3v | in our servers any time, a person logs in with root, the security team raises the alarm, and you will get to answear very well to the director, on why, you have used inadvertedly a user password that is root, and its not your own | 13:59 |
| frabbit | like xterm, stterm xfceterminal or whatever | 13:59 |
| tuxd3v | basically, probably you will get fired | 13:59 |
| tuxd3v | :D | 13:59 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: ok, but why? i really dont understand... | 14:00 |
| frabbit | with sudo su its like you were log in as root | 14:00 |
| tuxd3v | but you are entering with your user | 14:01 |
| tuxd3v | the password you type its your own | 14:01 |
| frabbit | yes and thats the problem | 14:01 |
| frabbit | same passphrase | 14:01 |
| tuxd3v | weareas if you login as root, you need to type the root account password, that its not yours, and you can't use it | 14:01 |
| frabbit | what? | 14:02 |
| tuxd3v | sudo su - != su - | 14:02 |
| frabbit | i have a root account here, i type in root and then the passphrase for the root-account | 14:02 |
| frabbit | i have no sudo | 14:02 |
| tuxd3v | I can't do that | 14:02 |
| tuxd3v | not only I the other people also can't | 14:03 |
| frabbit | yeah u can choose at install to create a root account or not | 14:03 |
| frabbit | yes but it doesnt matter they can get a rootshell with sudo... | 14:03 |
| tuxd3v | root passwords are destinated to be keept, so that someday will be needed, but in that situation you need to call the security team, and their director needs to call yours, and everything is scrutinized | 14:04 |
| frabbit | so its the same but one more program on the pc and user acces and root acces with the same passphrase... | 14:04 |
| frabbit | thats an security issue imho... | 14:04 |
| tuxd3v | no... | 14:04 |
| tuxd3v | its not the same password | 14:04 |
| tuxd3v | sudo su - | 14:04 |
| tuxd3v | I login with tuxd3v password | 14:05 |
| tuxd3v | su - | 14:05 |
| frabbit | i remmeber that iva to typed in my userpassphrase on ubuntu when i ran sudo years ago | 14:05 |
| tuxd3v | I login with root password | 14:05 |
| tuxd3v | they are very diferent passwords | 14:05 |
| frabbit | ok but su is NOT sudo | 14:05 |
| tuxd3v | right | 14:05 |
| frabbit | su is switch user | 14:05 |
| tuxd3v | su doesn't mean that you will login as root | 14:05 |
| frabbit | yeah but u talked about sudo is safer | 14:05 |
| frabbit | thats what i asked | 14:06 |
| tuxd3v | I can login into sam account like this: | 14:06 |
| frabbit | =) | 14:06 |
| tuxd3v | 'su - sam' | 14:06 |
| frabbit | yes | 14:06 |
| frabbit | or any other account | 14:06 |
| tuxd3v | I will need sam password for that | 14:06 |
| frabbit | i know | 14:06 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 14:06 |
| tuxd3v | but for root, always, and after some time you got "programmed" for it | 14:07 |
| tuxd3v | you just don't even think in it | 14:07 |
| frabbit | what does that mean? | 14:07 |
| tuxd3v | you just do | 14:07 |
| tuxd3v | sudo su - | 14:07 |
| frabbit | i cant follow... sorry | 14:07 |
| Xenguy | You are talking about an enterprise context. I don't know about others, but I am a non-enterprise user in this context. I prefer using root as it's intended, and I never saw any talk of using sudo like that until bloody Ubuntu showed up | 14:08 |
| tuxd3v | because you need to login based on the credentials previledges that you have on the servers, and that is provided by the sudoers facility | 14:08 |
| frabbit | Xenguy: yeah ubuntu makes it default to use sudo | 14:08 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know about ubuntu | 14:08 |
| onefang | Guess what I'm about to suggest you do with this conversation? B-) | 14:08 |
| Xenguy | I don't know why any single user at home would bother with this sudo nonsense, except those infected by the Ubuntu meme | 14:09 |
| frabbit | onefang: =D | 14:09 |
| tuxd3v | Majority of the machines are unfortunatly RedHat or Aix | 14:09 |
| frabbit | #debianfork | 14:09 |
| onefang | Good guess frabbit. | 14:09 |
| nemo | Xenguy: sudo lets you remember just one password ☺ | 14:29 |
| Xenguy | meh | 14:29 |
| nemo | or often zero since the window of memory is configurable | 14:29 |
| nemo | without accidentally leaving a shell in root | 14:29 |
| nemo | that said, I leave a shell in root allll the time | 14:29 |
| nemo | and haven't destroyed anything yet *crosses fingers* | 14:30 |
| tuxd3v | nemo, you got busted :) | 14:30 |
| Xenguy | Please | 14:30 |
| nemo | my coworker did ☺ | 14:30 |
| tuxd3v | =D | 14:30 |
| nemo | one little casual rm -rf plus confusion of being in his home work area versus the dev webserver root | 14:31 |
| ShorTie | i play 99.9% of the time as root .. :/~ | 14:31 |
| nemo | fortunately was just dev | 14:31 |
| nemo | rm -rf project | 14:31 |
| nemo | he stopped doing that in production though ☺ | 14:31 |
| frabbit | ShorTie: o_0 | 14:32 |
| frabbit | but come to #debianfork | 14:32 |
| frabbit | for that topic | 14:32 |
| ejr | i am trying to get my microphone to work with pulseaudio on devuan 3.0 | 15:06 |
| ejr | on one system with mate installed, it works. the other one uses dwm without all the mate dependencies (including pulseaudio i guess), so i manually installed the pulse packages that are also on the mate machine, where the mic works | 15:07 |
| ejr | still i cannot get the mic to work | 15:07 |
| frabbit | ejr: is it muted? | 15:10 |
| ejr | frabbit: it does not even show up in pavucontrol | 15:10 |
| frabbit | maybe in alsamixer (if there too) or in pavucontrol | 15:10 |
| frabbit | oh... | 15:10 |
| frabbit | usb? | 15:10 |
| ejr | and in alsamixer, when i had it installed, i unmuted it (then deinstalled it to make sur eit doesnt interfere with pa) | 15:11 |
| ejr | no, headset | 15:11 |
| frabbit | hm these works at my computer neither but usb microphone (the one in the webcam too) works fine | 15:11 |
| frabbit | but i removed the internal mic from my mainboard maybe thats the reason xD | 15:12 |
| ejr | and i am running libreboot, maybe thats the reason why it doesnt work here :) | 15:12 |
| frabbit | can u try a usb mic too? | 15:12 |
| frabbit | i have libreboot too | 15:12 |
| frabbit | what computer do u have? | 15:12 |
| ejr | x60 | 15:13 |
| frabbit | =) i have a t60 hear nearly the same computer | 15:13 |
| frabbit | u can ask swiftgeek at #libreboot, im curious too | 15:13 |
| ejr | unfortunately no usb mic available,no... but i will put the ssd into my other non-libreboot x60 and see if it works there | 15:13 |
| ejr | will do if it doesnt work on the other machine, brb | 15:14 |
| frabbit | yeah thats a god first check | 15:14 |
| frabbit | *good | 15:14 |
| ejr | so, frabbit, it does in fact work on the non-librebooted machine. so i guess i also dont have a mic :) | 15:40 |
| ejr | (i bought the machine with libreboot installed already) | 15:40 |
| frabbit | ok interessting, then taht is something for #libreboot | 15:41 |
| frabbit | you bought it? phew expensive =D | 15:41 |
| ejr | you've got a t60 so that may not be the case with you: do you also sometimes have overheating issues when your machine is on the ultrabase/docking station/port replicator? | 15:41 |
| ejr | (whatever it is for t60) | 15:41 |
| frabbit | t60 and x60 are nearly the same machine | 15:41 |
| frabbit | overheating cpu? | 15:42 |
| ejr | yes | 15:42 |
| frabbit | no | 15:42 |
| ejr | not during normal operation, but when the cpu is in high usage for a while | 15:42 |
| frabbit | maybe the thermal medium is bad (dry paste)? | 15:42 |
| ejr | i have thinkfan and fancontrol installed | 15:42 |
| frabbit | i have graphite pads here and they work like a charm =) | 15:43 |
| ejr | no, it's related to the ultrabase, because it does not happen when it's not docked in the ultrabase (also, i replaced the paste 2 years ago) | 15:43 |
| frabbit | i have a dock here too | 15:43 |
| frabbit | 2 years? o_0 | 15:43 |
| frabbit | er.. thats a long time imho... | 15:43 |
| ejr | is it? | 15:43 |
| ejr | i dunno :D | 15:43 |
| ejr | it was my first time | 15:43 |
| frabbit | xD | 15:44 |
| frabbit | definetaly | 15:44 |
| frabbit | here: https://www.innovationcooling.com/products/ic-graphite-thermal-pad/ | 15:44 |
| frabbit | use this instead of thermal paste (they are a waste of money and time) | 15:44 |
| frabbit | i have the best cpu u can get into the t60 and never have over 57 degree celsius | 15:44 |
| frabbit | but dont touch any other parts of your hardware with graphite stuff, it can break | 15:45 |
| ejr | interesting, never heard of graphite as an alternative to paste before | 15:45 |
| frabbit | u can use this pads nealry forever (no end of life) | 15:45 |
| frabbit | theres one exception: hardcore gaming rigs, for that i would use indium pastes ("liquid" metal) but they are not very common ;) | 15:46 |
| ejr | thanks for the hint | 15:46 |
| frabbit | ejr: yw =) | 15:46 |
| ejr | tbh though, when/if my librebooted x60 ever dies, i am just going to use one of my 3 non-librebooted x60s/x61s :D | 15:47 |
| frabbit | ejr: but you really should renew the thermalpaste (or use the pads) because even if ur machine doesnt shutdown because of overheating it will be damaged | 15:48 |
| ejr | you're right... do you glue the graphite pad to the cpu, or how is it fixed on there? | 15:50 |
| frabbit | hell no! | 15:51 |
| frabbit | just place it there | 15:51 |
| frabbit | i know many people dont like linus tech tips but with that video i was getting aware of these pads: https://invidio.us/watch?v=YpphKzmDiJM | 15:52 |
| ejr | kudos for also using invidio.us :) | 15:52 |
| frabbit | ejr: u can just follow the introduction on the IC website i linked to u earlier | 15:52 |
| frabbit | ejr: yay! ;) | 15:52 |
| ejr | so, i read the instruction and watched the vid,but still wonder why the pad wouldnt possibly just float around and touch other components on the mainboard. | 15:56 |
| frabbit | ejr: after you placed the pad i suggests you to run a cpu stress-test. i use cpuburn for this: https://github.com/patrickmn/cpuburn | 16:02 |
| frabbit | check the temperature of the cpu while cpuburn is runnign it normally the first sensor in /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal | 16:02 |
| frabbit | ejr: its pressed down by the heatsink | 16:02 |
| frabbit | heatsink -> graphite <- cpu die | 16:03 |
| ejr | alright, i'll check where i can get the thermal pad in my country | 16:03 |
| frabbit | ebay | 16:03 |
| frabbit | i paid 10€ over a year ago, but they increases the price as its often sold out =( | 16:04 |
| frabbit | 10€ for a 30x30mm | 16:05 |
| ejr | ah right, ebay austria doesnt have any, but ebay germany does :) | 16:05 |
| frabbit | u can cut it with a scissor | 16:05 |
| frabbit | ejr: =) | 16:05 |
| ejr | nice :) thanks | 16:06 |
| frabbit | yw ;) | 16:06 |
| * frabbit made another strike against the cooling paste lobby!1! | 16:06 | |
| kjjjnob | Hello! | 17:34 |
| frabbit | kjjjnob: Hello! | 17:35 |
| kjjjnob | Hi frabbit. I have some questions, maybe someone you can help me | 17:38 |
| frabbit | kjjjnob: if u dont ask u will not know ;P | 17:40 |
| Wafficus | Hi there, question regarding sound with mpv. My sound isn't working. I installed Devuan Beowulf with min install last night on this comp | 18:43 |
| Wafficus | is it because I need to install pulseaudio or alsa? | 18:43 |
| Wafficus | not sure what sound mixer is installed by default on the min installer | 18:43 |
| phogg | alsa is always installed | 18:46 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: do u have a thinkpad? | 18:47 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: first install alsa-utils and check if master or any other important channel is muted | 18:48 |
| frabbit | if u have a thinkpad u can also check /proc/acpi/ibm/volume | 18:48 |
| frabbit | for me its muted there by default with every boot and i need to unmute it with multimedia hardwarekeys on keyboard | 18:49 |
| frabbit | oh with alsa-utils comes alsamixer, its a ncurses euqalizer | 18:50 |
| tuxd3v | aplay -L | 18:53 |
| tuxd3v | speaker-test -c2 -twav | 18:54 |
| tuxd3v | for 2 chanels | 18:54 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: hey thats cool => | 18:56 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 19:00 |
| some_alex | frabbit: why not add some command to your .profile to unmute it? | 19:05 |
| frabbit | some_alex: /root/.profile or /home/USER/.profile ? and what to add there? | 19:07 |
| some_alex | frabbit: there are command line tools for changing volume in alsa / pulseaudio. Since you should never run X as root, I'm talking about your /home/USER/.profile. Things you put there should run every time you log in. | 19:10 |
| some_alex | frabbit: note: if you're running bash, remember that bash recognizes 3 different names for this file (in specific order) and chooses the one found first. | 19:11 |
| some_alex | frabbit: see this page for examples of commands you can run to change or (un)mute volume: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Awesome#Media_Controls | 19:13 |
| Wafficus | I have a Thinkpad T440S | 19:13 |
| kjjjnob | frabbit: Ofc xD Im reading about no systemd projects and I have some interest in Devuan. I used Gentoo the last time to play with OpenRC but had some problems with package support to build AOSP. | 19:13 |
| kjjjnob | A distro based in Debian is more flexible with Android building support. | 19:13 |
| kjjjnob | To use a rolling release style os I need move to unstable and here is ceres branch? | 19:13 |
| some_alex | the relevant part on that wiki page is the first argument to the spawn function | 19:14 |
| Wafficus | kjjjnob: if you're cool with Debian min installer, its the same experience | 19:14 |
| Wafficus | so far its been good to me imo | 19:14 |
| Wafficus | like nothing ever changed | 19:15 |
| Wafficus | since I've been using straight Debian for the last 6 months after 2 years of Lubuntu | 19:15 |
| Wafficus | yeah I'm on alsamixer, and the master is at 100% | 19:15 |
| Wafficus | yet no sound on mpv | 19:16 |
| Wafficus | maybe it just needs pulseaudio instead | 19:16 |
| some_alex | frabbit: also you might have multiple sound cards in which case you'll need to specify them in the commands as well (count starts from 0) | 19:16 |
| iv4nshm4k0v | I may be missing some context here, but ~/.bash_profile (or ~/.profile) is read by Bash when it's started as a login shell, as in: tty logins, ssh logins, xterm -ls "logins", etc. | 19:17 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: do I have to change the "mute" property to: "off" in /proc/acpi/ibm/volume file? | 19:17 |
| iv4nshm4k0v | For X logins, it's customary to run ~/.xsession instead. | 19:17 |
| Wafficus | I remember commenting out those sections in my AwesomeWM config though | 19:19 |
| Wafficus | for the audio controls | 19:19 |
| Wafficus | as they never worked | 19:19 |
| iv4nshm4k0v | (FWIW, I have a '. "$HOME"/.session_common' command in both my ~/.bash_profile and ~/.xsession, so I can maintain a single file with the list of things to do on login, whether X or non-X.) | 19:20 |
| Wafficus | would pavucontrol work in my scenario as well? | 19:20 |
| Wafficus | or is pavucontrol for pulseaudio? | 19:21 |
| kjjjnob | Wafficus: If I don't remember bad, is choose unstable in net install. Here is the same? | 19:21 |
| Wafficus | kjjjnob: what? | 19:21 |
| some_alex | iv4nshm4k0v: thanks! I always log in with startx in tty so I don't experience this issue. IMO not having a login shell while using a DM is a broken behavior. | 19:21 |
| Wafficus | yeah nevermind, Pavucontrol is for Pulseaudio | 19:21 |
| some_alex | iv4nshm4k0v: nice idea with the common profile, also helps when you use multiple shells (I personally have bash + zsh + fish) | 19:23 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: mpv does not depend on pulse | 19:25 |
| Wafficus | it would be ok if I set the /proc/acpi/ibm/volume file to mute: off right? | 19:26 |
| frabbit | yes should be | 19:26 |
| Wafficus | yep its off | 19:26 |
| Wafficus | for the 'mute' option | 19:26 |
| frabbit | but as i treid that i couldnt save the file | 19:27 |
| frabbit | even as root it says that it isnt writable | 19:27 |
| Wafficus | still kind of wondering why mpv isn't working in that case if the audio is 100% in alsamixer with no mute | 19:27 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: and level is? | 19:27 |
| some_alex | kjjjnob: regarding lack of packages for specific tasks: you can use containers to have full access to programs another distro provides without having to install the actual distro | 19:27 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: at /proc/acpi/ibm/volume i mean what level is it? | 19:28 |
| frabbit | i have 4 here atm | 19:28 |
| frabbit | unmuting only doesnt mean that theres sound ;) | 19:28 |
| kjjjnob | Wafficus: In the Debian graphical installation (netinstall) you can choose the unstable repository. Can you do the same here? | 19:29 |
| frabbit | some_alex: ill check this out later | 19:29 |
| kjjjnob | some_alex: I had thought so. But I prefer to have the distribution to choose with the support for the necessary packages | 19:30 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: did u run the command tuxd3v has posted? | 19:30 |
| frabbit | *comands | 19:31 |
| frabbit | some_alex: how does that Media Controls thing help with muted audio on boot? | 19:31 |
| frabbit | "It is possible to control both volume and media playback" | 19:32 |
| Wafficus | level is 100% on main channel | 19:32 |
| frabbit | sounds like this is just for merging channels on one button | 19:32 |
| Wafficus | for /proc/acpi/ibm/volume | 19:32 |
| some_alex | kjjjnob: btw if you feel some package is missing you can spend some of your time maintaining this package for the distribution you chose :) | 19:32 |
| Wafficus | after I open it in vim, it just has | 19:32 |
| Wafficus | level: unsupported | 19:32 |
| Wafficus | mute: off | 19:32 |
| Wafficus | that's it | 19:32 |
| frabbit | ah! | 19:33 |
| frabbit | thats irregular -> level: unsupported | 19:33 |
| frabbit | there must be a number | 19:33 |
| frabbit | but here im of sorry <=) | 19:33 |
| * frabbit makes way 4 the geeks | 19:34 | |
| some_alex | frabbit: ummm, you can copy-paste the command for toggling mute(-ness?) and put in any file in your home directory that runs on boot. | 19:34 |
| frabbit | some_alex: does it affect /proc/acpi/ibm/volume ? | 19:35 |
| some_alex | runs on login* | 19:35 |
| some_alex | frabbit: try it on the command line, I have no idea | 19:35 |
| frabbit | some_alex: so that code is changing things i can change with alsamixer? | 19:36 |
| kjjjnob | some_alex: Ofc. But I don't have time to spend in maintain :D | 19:36 |
| some_alex | frabbit: if you have some weird hardware that doesn't listen to those commands, you can sometimes just `echo $my_value > /proc/acpi/ibm/volume` | 19:36 |
| some_alex | not sure if it would work with this device | 19:36 |
| some_alex | some are read-only, others are writable | 19:37 |
| frabbit | some_alex: no it doesnt thats my point =) | 19:37 |
| some_alex | frabbit: can you or can you not unmute the sound in alsamixer? | 19:37 |
| frabbit | and "sset Master 5%- ..." is just a command for changing alsa volume, but thats fine | 19:37 |
| frabbit | some_alex: i can | 19:37 |
| some_alex | frabbit: below that there's the one for unmuting | 19:38 |
| frabbit | but the muted sound after each reboot isnt caused by a muted alsa | 19:38 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: so you're having the same sound card issues with alsa too? | 19:39 |
| frabbit | alsa isnt muted but sound is still muted, till i unmuting it with the hardware keys on thinkpad | 19:39 |
| some_alex | frabbit: if you can unmute it in alsamixer why wouldn't you be able to unmute it automatically in the terminal??? | 19:39 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: no | 19:39 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: i have sound here i just need to unmuting it everytime i boot | 19:39 |
| frabbit | or after boot | 19:39 |
| Wafficus | ah I see | 19:39 |
| Wafficus | lucky ha | 19:39 |
| frabbit | and thats only with hardware keys on keyboard | 19:39 |
| some_alex | frabbit: hmm, I see what you mean now | 19:40 |
| frabbit | some_alex: =) | 19:40 |
| some_alex | frabbit: see if you can simulate a key press | 19:40 |
| some_alex | if it's *that* far into the hardware, maybe look into BIOS settings? | 19:40 |
| frabbit | some_alex: have librboot here | 19:40 |
| frabbit | and this issue exists only since ive librebooted this computer about a year ago | 19:41 |
| some_alex | frabbit: nice, gonna flash it to my X200 as well :) | 19:41 |
| frabbit | some_alex: cool! good luck! =) | 19:41 |
| Wafficus | nice, I want to do libreboot but I suck at soldering | 19:41 |
| some_alex | luck is what I'd need LOL | 19:41 |
| Wafficus | plus I can't find a decent price on an X200 or X60 on eBay yet | 19:41 |
| Wafficus | resellers know what they have unfortunately | 19:41 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: u can flash by software on some models | 19:41 |
| frabbit | very easy | 19:41 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: right but the wifi chip would have to be replaced manually too though on some distros | 19:42 |
| Wafficus | especially if you do parabola since it'll consider the wifi card as proprietary | 19:42 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: some_alex will have to do it the hardware way with a BBB or a pie | 19:42 |
| Wafficus | I see | 19:42 |
| Wafficus | yeah I've seen the RPI route | 19:42 |
| Wafficus | again, I'll need some space aka a workbench, a bag for all the screws | 19:42 |
| some_alex | Wafficus: here I got X200 without a drive for $80 | 19:42 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: the wifi card isnt soldered to the board u can just pull it out =D | 19:43 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: yeah I saw you can just pull out the little pin socket connected to it | 19:43 |
| frabbit | some_alex: woah! =O | 19:43 |
| Wafficus | some_alex: nice, in the USA? | 19:43 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: Install Libreboot on X60/T60 ThinkPads (muh freedumbs edition) - https://invidio.us/watch?v=1K5jo9gk9LQ | 19:44 |
| some_alex | Wafficus: Eastern EU ;) | 19:44 |
| frabbit | he also replace the wlan card | 19:44 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: but dont do it exactly like he does in the video read the docs first! | 19:44 |
| frabbit | he skips memory checking for example what is highly recommended | 19:45 |
| frabbit | *ram checking | 19:45 |
| frabbit | memtest86+ | 19:45 |
| Wafficus | gotcha | 19:46 |
| Wafficus | well I wonder if I just need to reboot to get the sound working | 19:46 |
| Wafficus | or rather, I wonder what's with that unsupported value | 19:46 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: yeah last thing is probably the issue but i cant help u with that sorry =( | 19:47 |
| frabbit | may search for it | 19:47 |
| frabbit | *maybe | 19:47 |
| Wafficus | gotcha | 19:48 |
| Wafficus | will do | 19:48 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: iv found something in german | 19:50 |
| Wafficus | alsa-base might be related according to some Ubuntu post I found | 19:50 |
| Wafficus | but then again that's Ubuntu, not necessarily Devuan | 19:50 |
| some_alex | frabbit: regarding flashing the libreboot on X200: I can go the raspberry route or I can buy a special chip for flashing BIOS for around $4 | 19:51 |
| frabbit | on german thinkpad forum someone wrote that this unsupported value thing means that u cannot control the volume with that | 19:51 |
| frabbit | some_alex: a chip? | 19:51 |
| frabbit | or a clip? | 19:51 |
| frabbit | poama..muwuwa somnething xD | 19:52 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: so that means that I couldn't possibly use alsa anyway right? | 19:53 |
| some_alex | frabbit: I mean the CH341a. It would connect to the computer via USB and to the BIOS chip on the motherboard via a clip | 19:53 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: im not a geek but i think it just means that u cant control volume via that acpi module | 19:54 |
| some_alex | by computer I mean a separate computer used for flashing of course | 19:54 |
| frabbit | some_alex: oh isee. i saw that in some video in the past i think =) | 19:55 |
| some_alex | frabbit: you know German? | 19:55 |
| frabbit | some_alex: yes | 19:55 |
| some_alex | nice. Actually the X200 I got has German keyboard :) | 19:55 |
| Wafficus | interesting | 19:55 |
| frabbit | some_alex: what now? ick bin ein berliner? xD | 19:55 |
| Wafficus | there's some pretty damn good tech jobs in Berlin, good skill to have btw | 19:56 |
| Wafficus | a bit envious | 19:56 |
| Wafficus | if I had a choice honestly and I could move anyway, I'd move to Hungary and work in Germany or something like that | 19:56 |
| some_alex | frabbit: maybe Wolfgang's video? | 19:56 |
| Wafficus | however, I'd rather settle for a homestead in FL for the time being | 19:56 |
| frabbit | some_alex: for the x200? yeah i saw that he did one but i didnt watched it | 19:57 |
| frabbit | but we are getting ot ;) | 19:57 |
| some_alex | well he did multiple videos on it and in the most recent one he used the CH341a | 19:57 |
| some_alex | yes very damn quickly :) | 19:58 |
| frabbit | some_alex: ok i didnt watched it because i have no x200 xD | 19:58 |
| some_alex | actually we got OT long ago LOL | 19:58 |
| frabbit | hahaha | 19:58 |
| frabbit | ermm.. sound something... | 19:58 |
| Wafficus | how much is just a compatible 1 tb HDD for an X200 or X60 anyway? | 20:00 |
| Wafficus | never looked into laptop drives | 20:00 |
| Wafficus | but I like your idea to get one without a drive | 20:00 |
| Wafficus | that might not be a bad idea | 20:00 |
| Wafficus | it would be better anyway, cause god knows what the dude might have had on the drive anyway | 20:01 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: -> #debianfork | 20:01 |
| Wafficus | The X60 libreboot looked easier, I saw Luke Smith's old video on it | 20:01 |
| frabbit | ;) | 20:01 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: what's debianfork? | 20:01 |
| Wafficus | is that the off-topic channel? | 20:01 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: the off-topic channel for devuan users | 20:01 |
| Wafficus | ah gotcha, sorry | 20:01 |
| Wafficus | understood | 20:02 |
| frabbit | np i was the same xD | 20:02 |
| frabbit | (was?....) | 20:02 |
| Wafficus | by the way, this post helped with my sound issues with Devuan: https://dev.to/setevoy/linux-alsa-lib-pcmdmixc1108sndpcmdmixopen-unable-to-open-slave-38on | 20:39 |
| Wafficus | I had to add the "default.conf" file in my case to enable sound for my PCH sound device | 20:40 |
| Wafficus | for the internal speaker on the Thinkpad T440S | 20:40 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: oh cool congrats! => | 20:41 |
| Wafficus | frabbit: thanks :) | 20:42 |
| Wafficus | you were right in that, just do an internet search on the error ha | 20:42 |
| frabbit | =) | 20:48 |
| Wafficus | Question regarding IceCat and Waterfox on Devuan: if I download either one, I have to manually update them each time right? | 21:26 |
| Wafficus | I ask because they're not available on 'apt' | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | they might have an auto-update feature | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | should work if you just unpack them somewhere in your home directory | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | owned and run by unpriv user | 21:28 |
| Wafficus | aka unpack it in /usr/bin? | 21:33 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: have a look at surf2 too =) | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | should not unpack stuff manually into /usr/bin. That's for packages to put stuff. You can put it in /opt or in /usr/local/bin, but you'll need to be root to do that or to update them. | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | unpack in home means unpack somewhere under your user's home directory | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | I'm assuming it comes in a tarball like firefox does from mozilla | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | unpack it and run it | 21:38 |
| Wafficus | yeah its in a .tar | 21:43 |
| Wafficus | so I just did tar -xvf on Icecat for example | 21:43 |
| Wafficus | but am not sure where to place it to be honest | 21:43 |
| Wafficus | I'm used to installing things by source with make where they'll place it in the appropriate spots | 21:44 |
| Wafficus | I guess just dump it into ~/utilities folder in its separate folder right? | 21:44 |
| Wafficus | i'll try running it manually | 21:45 |
| specing | I'm quiet dissapointed in apparmor already | 22:23 |
| specing | first, had to reboot (and modify grub command line) to enable it | 22:23 |
| specing | second, now I need to reboot a second time after manually setting every single thing to enforce(!), because apparently confinement cannot be changed after exec | 22:24 |
| specing | and the debian apparmor wikipage says, I quote "Beware though: many profiles are not up-to-date and will break functionality in enforce mode," | 22:25 |
| specing | It's almost like apparmor was merely a checkbox on the distro "we have this" list | 22:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well to work it makes sense for it to be loaded at boot. | 22:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | are you sure that's not just a systemd caveat? I know systemd created issues with apparmor if loading profiles without rebooting. | 22:32 |
| specing | " the parser silently ignores rules that are not supported by the running kernel. " omg | 22:37 |
| Wafficus | when I try to run Icecat on Devuan, I'm getting htis error https://duckduckgo.com/lite/?q=waterfox&kf=-1&kz=-1&kq=-1&kv=-1 | 22:40 |
| Wafficus | whoops wrong links | 22:40 |
| Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~/utilities/icecat $ ./icecat | 22:41 |
| Wafficus | XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/sam/utilities/icecat/libxul.so: | 22:41 |
| Wafficus | libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 22:41 |
| Wafficus | Couldn't load XPCOM. | 22:41 |
| Wafficus | do I have to download libdbus-glib in that case? | 22:41 |
| Wafficus | looks like libdbus is related to systemd | 22:42 |
| Wafficus | should I just use st surf instead? | 22:52 |
| Wafficus | I ask because I received the same XPCOM error for Waterfox and IceCat | 22:52 |
| frabbit | Wafficus: surf2 is cool =) | 22:54 |
| frabbit | im pretty sure that i will purge firefox soon and only use surf2 and lynx | 22:54 |
| frabbit | surf2 with patches of course | 22:57 |
| Wafficus | surf2 is like qutebrowser right? | 23:03 |
| Wafficus | but without tabs rihgt? | 23:03 |
| Wafficus | *right | 23:03 |
| frabbit | i dunno | 23:09 |
| frabbit | qutebrowser... | 23:09 |
| frabbit | must hava a look | 23:09 |
| frabbit | but yes no tab in surf | 23:09 |
| frabbit | yug qute is written in js... | 23:11 |
| frabbit | surf is written in C | 23:11 |
| Acacia | you can use a program called tabbed to do tabs with surf, it's suggested somewhere, I don't have it installed right now | 23:15 |
| Acacia | either the man page or the FAQ on its website | 23:16 |
| kjjjnob | Devuan support Gnome 3.3x without systemd? | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | gnome 1:3.30+1 in beowulf | 23:20 |
| kjjjnob | ceres support the lastest version? | 23:21 |
| frabbit | Acacia: a patch probably | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | gnome 1:3.30+2 in chimaera/ceres | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | note that 'devuan' does not appear in the version. That means we're using the un-changed debian package. | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | so, ceres=sid, chimaera=bullseye | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | pkginfo.devuan.org to check packages/versions | 23:31 |
| frabbit | ejr is sure that corona is a fake or something similiar. | 23:37 |
| frabbit | whoops... off-topic | 23:37 |
| Guest60258 | hi | 23:44 |
| ejr | lel | 23:44 |
| Guest60258 | Wafficus: which version of icecat? | 23:44 |
| Wafficus | latest version | 23:45 |
| Wafficus | Version 60.7.0 | 23:45 |
| Wafficus | from their download mirror | 23:45 |
| Wafficus | I'm trying this because as much as I like Qutebrowser | 23:46 |
| Wafficus | it just refuses to work for Digitalocean.com's website for some reason | 23:46 |
| Wafficus | like it won't get past the sign in page | 23:46 |
| Guest60258 | i've built IceCat GNUzilla-68.9.0 for beowulf amd64 | 23:46 |
| Guest60258 | https://www.gnuinos.org/IceCat-68.9.0/ | 23:46 |
| Wafficus | wait, there's a version past 60.7.0? | 23:46 |
| Wafficus | on their site, it only have 60.7.0 listed in the folder directory as the latest one | 23:47 |
| Guest60258 | yes, somebody updated the script by Rubén Rodriguez | 23:47 |
| Guest60258 | https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnuzilla.git | 23:49 |
| Wafficus | https://www.gnu.org/prep/ftp.html | 23:49 |
| Wafficus | sorry wrong link | 23:49 |
| Guest60258 | Mark H Weaber, concretly | 23:49 |
| Wafficus | https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnuzilla/ | 23:49 |
| Wafficus | ^ | 23:50 |
| Guest60258 | I tested my tarball for a few minuts and worked fine | 23:50 |
| Guest60258 | put it at /opt and run the icecat-bin binary | 23:50 |
| Wafficus | I see | 23:51 |
| Wafficus | just download gnuzilla-68.tar.gz and do tar -xvf (tarball file) | 23:52 |
| Wafficus | and then place it in /opt like you mentioned and run it? | 23:52 |
| Guest60258 | i want to build the .deb packages including the internationalization | 23:52 |
| Guest60258 | yes | 23:52 |
| Wafficus | I don't have a /opt directory though? | 23:52 |
| Wafficus | *though | 23:52 |
| ejr | what was the file again and where can it be found, which helps to reduce the shutdown time on luks-encrypted devuan installations? | 23:53 |
| ejr | when i shutdown my machine, it always hangs at "sda5_crypt... " for a while and shows an error, then turns off | 23:53 |
| ejr | and i once read somewhere that some file in i think grub needs to be replaced | 23:53 |
| absinthe | heh, if you find the answer i might find it useful too :> | 23:54 |
| ejr | i think there is some file on github or gitlab or so, absinthe, but couldnt find it yet....i'll keep searching and let you know if i find it tonight | 23:55 |
| absinthe | cool. i'm doing some research on my side as well :> | 23:56 |
| absinthe | (will let you know as well if i find something) | 23:56 |
| Wafficus | I placed it into ~/utilities/gnuzilla-68 directory | 23:58 |
| Wafficus | so basically, I did ./makeicecat in that same directory | 23:59 |
| Wafficus | however, its complaining it needs 'hg' | 23:59 |
| Wafficus | that's mercurial right? | 23:59 |
| Wafficus | ./makeicecat: line 64: hg: command not found | 23:59 |
| Guest60258 | ok, but you can create the /opt file | 23:59 |
| Guest60258 | hg is mercurial | 23:59 |
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